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| studiobot | <teward001> @Eickmeyer [@teward001 When you come back to us, critical fix for Ardour at https://code.lau …], if i recall this was fixed already | 14:41 |
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| studiobot | <teward001> thank you to others for handling the upload yesterday :0 | 14:41 |
| studiobot | <Eickmeyer> @teward001 [if i recall this was fixed already], That's correct. | 14:42 |
| Eickmeyer | We're looking at two packages that need to be accepted at this point: ardour and rapid-photo-downloader, with ardour being the more critical of the two. | 14:43 |
| studiobot | <Eickmeyer> @teward001 Do you think I should incessently pester #ubuntu-release to get that done? ^ | 14:44 |
| studiobot | <teward001> i'm already pestering them for an nginx FFe to get done | 14:44 |
| studiobot | <teward001> if you want to pester them that's your call | 14:45 |
| studiobot | <teward001> given it's a Critical I would | 14:45 |
| studiobot | <teward001> because IIRC Final Freeze is today | 14:45 |
| studiobot | <Eickmeyer> Final Freeze is tomorrow, but yes. | 14:45 |
| studiobot | <teward001> meh whatever | 14:45 |
| studiobot | <teward001> *yawns* | 14:45 |
| RikMills | @teward001 just pretend you are Simon | 14:45 |
| studiobot | <teward001> I am still waking up | 14:45 |
| studiobot | <Eickmeyer> hahahahahaha | 14:45 |
| studiobot | <teward001> yeah no i'm better than Simon lol | 14:45 |
| studiobot | <teward001> Simon actually owes me cash lol | 14:45 |
| studiobot | <teward001> or rather, Lubuntu Foundation probably will if they want faster SLA to their infra issues xD | 14:46 |
| Eickmeyer | Rapid Photo Downloader update is accepted, we are good to go, pending no other mejor issues hit us. | 20:10 |
| OvenWerks | Ardour is through too? | 20:28 |
| OvenWerks | Eickmeyer: ^^ | 20:29 |
| Eickmeyer | Yep. | 20:29 |
| OvenWerks | when will the ISO be ready? | 20:29 |
| Eickmeyer | Next daily will probably be tomorrow, and they'll probably start making final RCs starting tomorrow. | 20:30 |
| OvenWerks | I just noticed while doing some cleanup that my wife has a BT speaker sitting around. I may try to see if it is possible to auto connect from script... | 20:59 |
| Eickmeyer | I'm pretty sure the only way to do that is through Pulse. Not even ALSA connect directly to BT speakers | 21:02 |
| OvenWerks | Yeah, but going from jack to pulse to BT is not straight forward | 21:14 |
| Eickmeyer | Oh, absolutely true. | 21:14 |
| OvenWerks | It would be nice to be able to create a jack->pulse bridge called BT-speaker or something and send a command to pulse that connects it to the BT speaker | 21:15 |
| Eickmeyer | I just hope nobody would expect it to be low latency. | 21:16 |
| OvenWerks | not even Intel lowlatency (30ms) I would guess | 21:16 |
| Eickmeyer | Bluetooth is notoriously latent. | 21:17 |
| OvenWerks | I know (from the LAU mail list) that there are at least some people who have figured it out | 21:17 |
| OvenWerks | The best solution would be to use the zita SRC lib to create a BT-out jack client | 21:18 |
| OvenWerks | I think the pulse solution is best for now. The jack client may become redundent if pipewire replaces pulse soon | 21:19 |
| Eickmeyer | I have pipewire installed (but not activated) by default in Fedora Jam. | 21:20 |
| OvenWerks | doesn't show up in ubuntu (at least not 18.04) | 21:21 |
| Eickmeyer | !info pipewire focal | 21:22 |
| ubottu | pipewire (source: pipewire): PipeWire multimedia server. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.7-1 (focal), package size 217 kB, installed size 1408 kB | 21:22 |
| Eickmeyer | It's in Focal. | 21:22 |
| OvenWerks | disco even | 21:22 |
| OvenWerks | https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=pipewire | 21:22 |
| Eickmeyer | !info pipewire disco | 21:22 |
| ubottu | pipewire (source: pipewire): PipeWire multimedia server. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.5-1 (disco), package size 211 kB, installed size 1345 kB | 21:22 |
| Eickmeyer | Yep, slightly older version. | 21:23 |
| OvenWerks | good | 21:23 |
| OvenWerks | one hopes the versions are going up quickly at this point of development | 21:23 |
| Eickmeyer | Might be fun to play around with. I know the version in Fedora 32 uses the Jack API. | 21:24 |
| Eickmeyer | Not yet pulse though. | 21:24 |
| OvenWerks | I think they offer a pseudo default device like pulse though | 21:25 |
| Eickmeyer | The idea is that it will use the Jack and Pulse APIs, therefore eliminating the need for a bridge. | 21:26 |
| OvenWerks | yeah, I am guessing that a jack to jack bridge will just show up :) | 21:27 |
| OvenWerks | There are a lot of people who are not ready to trust PW over jack even with the API | 21:28 |
| Eickmeyer | Won't be necessary. Jack applications won't know any different. | 21:28 |
| Eickmeyer | I wouldn't expect anyone to trust PW yet. | 21:29 |
| Eickmeyer | It's still real early. | 21:29 |
| OvenWerks | may not be needed for our use (someone who wants to work around it is welcome to do so... on their own | 21:29 |
| Eickmeyer | Experimental, even, though Fedora does want to move to it as default by Fedora 34. | 21:29 |
| OvenWerks | 34... what is current? and how often do the numbers move? | 21:30 |
| Eickmeyer | Current is 31, 32 is in release candidate, and 33 will be in October/November. Fedora does delay if they feel it's necessary unlike Ubuntu which sticks to very strict release dates +/- 1 day or so. | 21:31 |
| OvenWerks | so around next year at this time | 21:31 |
| OvenWerks | (within a couple months) | 21:32 |
| Eickmeyer | Roughly, yes, unless they feel there's blockers. PipeWire has a lot of Red Hat backing. | 21:32 |
| OvenWerks | yeah, a lot of things get in that way | 21:32 |
| OvenWerks | if the pulse-jack bridging is better with pw I am all for it | 21:32 |
| OvenWerks | that is, basically if they use jack as the backend for pulse as we do | 21:33 |
| Eickmeyer | Well, the bridge would be PW itself. In theory, if you look at a Carla patchbay, each application, whether it uses pulse or jack, would show-up in the patchbay. | 21:34 |
| Eickmeyer | Of course, they would auto-patch to primary system out, but you get the idea. | 21:35 |
| Eickmeyer | So, you'd have Firefox in there, or anything else with an audio in/out. | 21:35 |
| OvenWerks | The question in may mind is: with multiple devices, where do they show up? | 21:35 |
| Eickmeyer | In theory, yes. | 21:36 |
| Eickmeyer | I mean, each device would show up in the patchbay as well, kinda like we have with zita-ajbridge. | 21:37 |
| OvenWerks | If a jack application gets it's device from the pw backend rather than alsa, many people may not be very happy | 21:37 |
| Eickmeyer | I'm not sure PW overrides alsa. | 21:37 |
| Eickmeyer | I think it's more like a replacement for Pulse and Jack. | 21:37 |
| OvenWerks | So if pw uses the jack part as the backend that is fine and makes sense, but if jack then goes through pw then through alsa not so good | 21:38 |
| Eickmeyer | No, you don't understand. Jack wouldn't actually run. PW would essentially *be* both jack and pulse. | 21:38 |
| OvenWerks | now I guess pw essenially rewrites jack in anycase, so it may be that the jack api works directly with the pw backend | 21:39 |
| Eickmeyer | Exactly. | 21:39 |
| OvenWerks | so one might say pw is a rewrite of jack that features a pulse front end... and video streaming | 21:40 |
| Eickmeyer | Something like that. | 21:40 |
| OvenWerks | I wonder if there will also be a pw front end that applications can access directly. | 21:40 |
| Eickmeyer | Well, browsers can access different devices separately via pulse, so I'm sure that will be the case. Applications won't have to be rewritten for their audio backend, it'll be transparent. | 21:41 |
| Eickmeyer | I'd say PW is more like a rewrite of both jack and pulse that combines the two. | 21:42 |
| Eickmeyer | ...and video streaming. | 21:42 |
| OvenWerks | how does the video streaming affect X and or wacom? (and vulcan?) | 21:43 |
| Eickmeyer | Nooo clue, but I know it's all on their radar. | 21:43 |
| OvenWerks | So have you played with pw at all? | 21:48 |
| OvenWerks | How does one set SR, buffers etc? | 21:49 |
| Eickmeyer | Not yet. Been too busy with getting our stuff fixed. | 21:49 |
| Eickmeyer | That and homeschooling. | 21:49 |
| Eickmeyer | I might play with it soon though. | 21:49 |
| OvenWerks | my son is "leave me alone, i've got it" | 21:50 |
| Eickmeyer | My son it 8. | 21:50 |
| OvenWerks | mine's 14 | 21:50 |
| Eickmeyer | Yeah. If he were older, then yeah, he could do it, but he doesn't stay motivated on his own. | 21:50 |
| OvenWerks | I'm not sure how motivated Tim is either, but he does seem to do better without help | 21:51 |
| Eickmeyer | Mine would never even do his school work if I weren't motivating him. He's on spring break now, but we have a schedule of subjects we follow. | 21:57 |
| OvenWerks | our spring breat was the last two weeks of March... he never went back :) | 21:58 |
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