 http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
 We are now in Apr 16th GMT, time to let the products roll into Focal Final.
 Focal Final is a more fun name then Focal Fossa for developers in my opinion
 Ubuntu Cinnamon already got our minimal and full iso's out, I'm just not promoting them until I can take screenshots and pictures for release notes and website
 In past releases, Final Freeze does not tend to happen until 9PM UTC on the day in question. 1st ISOs may take a day or 2 after that to come, as usually the upload queue needs reviewing and clearing, and proposed migration is allowed to 'settle'.
 Depends who is driving the process though. Might be a little off from that schedule this time.
[02:54] <lotuspsychje> good morning
 good morning, good night for me
 Bug #1873117
 Perfect oppertunity for me to pitch in and put on my maintainer hat
 Probably again, cherry nitpicking with python
 also when installing, a series of python suggestions comes up, I will probably patch it so people don't see that annoying thing, and to get more debian maintainer cookie points
 ah here:
 Debian Bug #956001
 Apparently also, my bug report was the first cinnamon-common bug report (the one with system info)
 and it looks like i'll file the 3rd one :P
 and it looks like i'll be filing the 3rd one :P (edited)
[04:04] <guiverc> anyone installing on boxes with floppy installed?  I've got an install wanting to write MBR (bios) to floppy?  (lubuntu)
[04:05] <valorie> floppy!
[04:06] <valorie> not for many years
[04:06] <valorie> don't even have DVD/CD drive anymore
[04:06] <guiverc> 3.5" 1.44mb thing... yeah I only recently enabled it in BIOS for a askubu lubuntu support question..
[04:06] <valorie> except as a standalone I bought to burn DVDs at conferences
[04:06] <valorie> unsure if it will ever get used again
[04:07] <valorie> no linuxfest northwest this year
[04:07] <valorie> by next year, will anyone want a DVD burned?
[04:07] <valorie> probably not
[04:10] <guiverc> (something is weird here too, the floppy it reports as having ~1920GB4, my hdd only has 160gb)
[04:11] <valorie> ha
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> bug #1867613 in progress
[07:35] <otto__> Hi, after the latest Update on Kubuntu 20.04 Elisa won't work.I am not sure if I should report this and if so how.
 oh didn't know you had multiple ISOs for each. nice, though it would be nicer if there was an option to do a minimal install from the full ISO. (re @ItzSwirlz: Ubuntu Cinnamon already got our minimal and full iso's out, I'm just not promoting them until I can take screenshots and pictures for release notes and website)
 morning lotuspsychje
 valorie: i have a USB DVD/CD drive just in case :D
 have a USB floppy drive as well
 @RikMills, valorie: this one for you (re @ubuntutesting_bot: [irc] <otto__> Hi, after the latest Update on Kubuntu 20.04 Elisa won't work.I am not sure if I should report this and if so how.)
[07:45] <RikMills> otto__: not working in what way?
[07:50] <otto__> It crashes immediately after launch it. It doens matter if I click on a mp3 or launch elisa from the launcher. Thats the first half of the terminal output:
[07:51] <otto__> <Unknown File>: QML QQuickLayoutAttached: Binding loop detected for property "preferredHeight"
[07:51] <otto__> org.kde.elisa.indexers.manager: Local file system indexer is inactive
[07:51] <otto__> org.kde.elisa.indexers.manager: Baloo indexer is unavailable
[07:51] <otto__> org.kde.elisa.indexers.manager: Baloo indexer is inactive
[07:52] <otto__> The KDE Settings says that "File indexing" is enabled.
[08:06] <RikMills> otto__: It is working ok here for me on a fully updated system. please report a bug with full details if you can
[08:54] <ubuntu-tester57w> can anyone try to extract a tar.xz on ubuntu studio 20.04(beta)? its not working properly for me. i need to refresh the file manager in order to see the extracted folder.
 ubuntu-tester57w: someone reported that yesterday, are you the same person?
 @Eickmeyer seems we may have a second person reporting this (re @ubuntutesting_bot: [irc] <Eickmeyer[m]> Sorry, ubuntu-tester97w^)
[09:03] <ubuntu-tester57w> no
[09:03] <ubuntu-tester57w> forst time today
[09:04] <ubuntu-tester57w> first*
 okay then it seems there maybe a problem. can you file a bug about it
 you can do so in the terminal like so 'ubunutu-bug thunar'
[09:06] <ubuntu-tester57w> ok i will do it now
[09:10] <ubuntu-tester57w> i did tht but the page keeps refreshing, how should i submit the bug?
 do you have a launchpad.net account?
[09:11] <ubuntu-tester57w> yes
 did you copy and paste the text i gave above, as there was a typo in it
 should have been 'ubuntu-bug thunar'
[09:13] <ubuntu-tester57w> https://postimg.cc/vg308w5v
[09:15] <ubuntu-tester57w> the spelling is correct
[09:16] <ubuntu-tester57w> im doing ti manually from the site
[09:18] <ubuntu-tester57w> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/469213
[09:18] <ubuntu-tester57w> here it is reported before
 are you running xubuntu 9.10?
 sorry my mistake, that was the reporter who had it like that :D
 click the link 'This bug affects 2 people. Does this bug affect you?'
 and leave a comment with your system info from 'inxi -b'
[09:21] <ubuntu-tester57w> ok
 @philipz where do I fill the upgrade form?
 @MrkiMike didnt follow.
 ubuntu-tester57w: please do mention in your comment that it doesnt appear until you refresh
 @philipz didn't you ask me a day or two ago not to forget to fill in the upgrade report form, after I did trusty->xenial->bionic ?
 @MrkiMike okay that would be at the test tracker
 strange there are no upgrade testcases for ubuntu mate 18.04
 heh
[10:36] <ubuntu-tester57w> is this blu thing on the corner of image viewer normal? https://postimg.cc/PL9wcG9S
 i haven
 haven't seen it before
[10:39] <ubuntu-tester57w> yeah it looks like its always there even when i just open the app without loading any photo
[10:39] <ubuntu-tester57w> now i opened the app and its not
[10:39] <ubuntu-tester57w> but if i open a photo it appears
 now you see it and now you dont
 well i guess you should likely file a bug for it. maybe do a screencast rather than just a screenshot
[10:40] <ubuntu-tester57w> ok i will do that. where should i file the bug for the image viewer?
[10:44] <ubuntu-tester57w> i can confirm that this is not happening when i open the app itself, just when i open a photo, sorry for that ubuntutestingbot
 in the terminal type 'ubuntu-bug ristretto'
[10:45] <ubuntu-tester57w> ubuntutestingbot thank you!
[10:49] <ubuntu-tester57w> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ristretto/+bug/1873244
[10:50] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu-tester57w: i see you filed the bug directly from launchpad, please use ubuntu-bug like philipz just adviced next time
[10:51] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu-tester57w: that pulls more information into your bug, you can still collect the info with: apport-collect 1873244
[10:52] <ubuntu-tester57w> it didnt worked lotuspsychje thats why i did it like that.
[10:52] <lotuspsychje> oh ok
[10:53] <ubuntu-tester57w> sorry if i make any mistake. im new here. i just want to help as much as i can
[10:53] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu-tester57w: its not a mistake, we all here to help each other mate
 glad to have you. please try to give as much info as possible in the bug report
[10:54] <ubuntu-tester57w> and i have free time to try stuff and to report anything wrong. im learning also by you
[10:54] <ubuntu-tester57w> thank you
 so others can try to replidoge your exact system as much as possible to try and reproduce the issue
 giving the output of 'inxi -b' is a great first step
 were you running this in a VM, USB or after installing?
[10:55] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu-tester57w: i installed ristretto on -desktop but i cant see that blue here
[10:56] <ubuntu-tester57w> i installed ubuntu studio on my laptop
[10:56] <ubuntu-tester57w> lotuspsychje can you try to open a photo?
[10:56] <lotuspsychje> i did
[10:57] <lotuspsychje> pictures show nicely here
[10:57] <ubuntu-tester57w> yes indeed but this corners i dont know
[10:58] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu-tester57w: do i need to do anything special?
 was it an upgrade of ubuntu studio or a fresh install?
[10:58] <ubuntu-tester57w> try to make the picture smaller
[10:58] <ubuntu-tester57w> fresh install
 okay let me grab the iso and test
[11:00] <ubuntu-tester57w> https://streamable.com/xsmqv7
[11:00] <ubuntu-tester57w> here is a screen recording
[11:00] <lotuspsychje> weird
[11:00] <lotuspsychje> i dont see that
 maybe a themeing issue
[11:01] <lotuspsychje> tryed both with yaru & yaru dark here
[11:01] <lotuspsychje> my ristretto version is 0.10.0-1
[11:02] <ubuntu-tester57w> 0.10.0
[11:02] <ubuntu-tester57w> shows here
[11:02] <lotuspsychje> system up to date ubuntu-tester57w ?
[11:02] <ubuntu-tester57w> yes
[11:04] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu-tester57w: try what philipz says, maybe test on another theme in studio?
[11:04] <ubuntu-tester57w> ok let me try that now
[11:04] <lotuspsychje> on -desktop i cant make it bug
[11:05] <ubuntu-tester57w> ok so for ex in adwaita it looks normal
[11:05] <ubuntu-tester57w> the actual theme that ubuntu studio comes is materia
[11:05] <ubuntu-tester57w> maybe its smth related to the theme as you pointed
[11:07] <lotuspsychje> aha
[11:07] <lotuspsychje> nice find
[11:07] <lotuspsychje> lemme try it in all my themes then
[11:07] <ubuntu-tester57w> ok :)
[11:09] <lotuspsychje> no all works here
[11:10] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu-tester57w: try apport-collect 1873244 from terminal
[11:11] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu-tester57w: and add a new description on your bug you have this on the materia theme
[11:11] <ubuntu-tester57w> ok
 just mention you are running the default theme in ubuntu studio and that will suffice
[11:12] <ubuntu-tester57w> done
[11:13] <lotuspsychje> nice tnx ubuntu-tester57w you see now all info got pulled into your bug
 all that info definitely isnt needed for such a bug. inxi -b would be more than sufficient
[11:15] <ubuntu-tester57w> how can i change that?
[11:15] <lotuspsychje> i disagree philipz, kernel version, install media, and upgradestatus are pretty relevant for the devs in my opinion
[11:15] <lotuspsychje> ristretto version,etc
[11:21] <ubuntu-tester57w> lotuspsychje how can i add info for the other bug i have on lauchpad?
[11:21] <ubuntu-tester57w> just chage the number?
 its fine.
 lotuspsychje: i guess we'll agree to disagree (kernel version is available in inxi)
[11:31] <ubuntu-tester57w> when i try apport-collect in the terminal it gives me updating problem report,  no additional information collected
[11:32] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu-tester57w: you already apport-collect 1873244
[11:32] <lotuspsychje> that pulled all the info into your bug, can you see it?
[11:32] <ubuntu-tester57w> yes but im trying for another bug that i reported yesterday regarding the snap store
[11:32] <lotuspsychje> ah
[11:32] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu-tester57w: you need to apport-collect BUG ID here
[11:33] <lotuspsychje> aka, the number at bottom of your launchpad url
[11:34] <ubuntu-tester57w> so this is the link https://bugs.launchpad.net/snap-store/+bug/1873033 i want to add system info
[11:35] <lotuspsychje> apport-collect 1873033
[11:35] <ubuntu-tester57w> yes thats the one i did and im getting that error
[11:36] <lotuspsychje> maybe its because its a snap
[11:38] <ubuntu-tester57w> ok
[11:45] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu-tester57w: does studio have the ubuntu-software icon aswell?
[11:46] <lotuspsychje> on -desktop i still have both ubuntu-software and snap-store
[11:50] <ubuntu-tester57w> no just snap store
[11:51] <lotuspsychje> ok
[11:58] <RikMills> bduncan: I believe your kde library issue should be fixed now
 Before I went to bed, there was a thunder bug fix upload in the queue, so don’t file a bug yet. (re @philipz: @Eickmeyer seems we may have a second person reporting this)
 *thunar
 Oh too late. It might get invalidated.
[12:07] <lotuspsychje> fix commited bug #1867613
[12:42] <lotuspsychje> -updating new kernel on fossa
 so i can confirm the issue that ubuntu-tester57w mentioned about the image viewer. @Eickmeyer maybe you want to have a look at it bug 1873244
 Yep, that's the Materia theme. I'll report it upstream. (re @philipz: so i can confirm the issue that ubuntu-tester57w mentioned about the image viewer. @Eickmeyer maybe you want to have a look at it bug 1873244)
 Reported upstream @philipz https://github.com/nana-4/materia-theme/issues/490
[14:43] <shaban238> is it normal for the file manager to open always in the left corner even though before closing it i had it in the middle of the screen. it looks like it does nor remember where it was positioned before. it happens also with the terminal. maybe its an xfce thing?
 @Eickmeyer o
 i've replied for clarity on github
[14:45] <Eickmeyer> shaban238: Xfce doesn't remember window positioning.
[14:45] <shaban238> ok thank you!
 Seeing your reply, I am questioning if it's the theme then and not ristretto itself. I'm adding ristretto back to the bug report. (re @philipz: i've replied for clarity on github)
 i thought about that as well.
 @philipz Would you mind adding those screenshots to the launchpad bug report?
 done
 @philipz I'm going to close the github one then. Clearly Ristretto is the problem here.
 if you say so. i feel that if all other themes are doing something and its only their theme that is coming out this say, then there is definitely something wrong in their theme that should be fixed.
 It's just the way they're implementing the "There's more to this image" indidogor. Unfortunately, Ristretto is reporting to GTK that there is more to the image (scrollable) when the entire image is shown.
 Foundationally, the bug is in ristretto. Different themes show that in a different way.
 Materia is just more obvious.
 I am almost done with wallpapers for ubuntu lumina,
 Yay (re @KaiLoveLinux: I am almost done with wallpapers for ubuntu lumina,)
 @philipz I reported the bug to #xfce-dev, not sure where to go other than there.
[15:19] <shaban238> ubuntutestingbot i can see that the same blue border shows even in the settings manager if you scroll up https://streamable.com/g124vq
[15:19] <shaban238> so maybe its an xfce related thing
[15:21] <Eickmeyer> shaban238: To tag someone on Telegram, use @ and then their name. ubuntutestingbot is just a bridge to Telegram, the username in in the < > brackets.
[15:22] <Eickmeyer> shaban238: That blue border is telling you there's nothing further to scroll. In the case of the settings manager, it's working as intended. It's malfunctioning in ristretto.
[15:22] <shaban238> ah ok. thank you
 All of the offical backgrounds are complete, this will be the default
[15:30] <shaban238> what about this: https://streamable.com/xzopfg  is it normal that the second window does not resize after removing it from snap?
[15:41] <Eickmeyer> shaban238: That's another Xfce thing. I saw an xfwm upload hitting last night, so have patience. Not everything is a bug that's unknown.
 @philipz , shaban238: Seems as though Xfce is aware of the issue with ristretto: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16648
[15:43] <shaban238> Eickmeyer ok :)
[15:44] <Eickmeyer> Also, keep in mind that bluesabre uploaded a TON of Xfce bugfix updates last night in prep for final freeze, so have patience with anything Xfce related. Chances are a lot of bugs are getting fixed with these updates.
[15:44] <shaban238> great!
[15:44] <bluesabre> Fingers crossed. :)
[15:44] <Eickmeyer> EVERYONE: I recommend holding-off on too much testing until the RC images start dropping. Should start either today or tomorrow, depends on how much the release team can work through the queue.
[15:45] <Eickmeyer> Otherwise false bug reports could get filed (stuff that's already been fixed, etc.)
 This is the usual text of the Freeze email that is sent

 filing a bug report i presume - https://bugzilla.xfce.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Ristretto&component=General&resolution=--- (re @Eickmeyer: @philipz I reported the bug to #xfce-dev, not sure where to go other than there.)
 As linked later, it's a known bug. (re @philipz: filing a bug report i presume - https://bugzilla.xfce.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Ristretto&component=General&resolution=---)
 https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16648
 ok. hadnt gottne that far :D
[16:11] <lotuspsychje> roger Eickmeyer
[16:15] <Eickmeyer> For those that couldn't see the image that RikMills dropped in Telegram of the usual Final Freeze email text: https://t.me/UbuntuTesters/5747
 Shouldn't be a prob for UC (re @ubuntutesting_bot: [irc] <Eickmeyer> For those that couldn't see the image that RikMills dropped in Telegram of the usual Final Freeze email text: https://t.me/UbuntuTesters/5747)
 our issues a minor and easy to fix
 @ItzSwirlz I posted that for the IRC room, they don't get images on their end automatically.
 Not guaranteed the release team will follow the same this year, but it give an idea of what 'usually' happens when the FinalFreeze portcullis drops
 They'll probably break convention this time just to annoy me. 🤣
 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2020-April/001277.html

 I doubt I will get Ubuntu Lumina to release on time , but I will be as close as possible
 because I am moving this weekend