[00:02] <bluesabre> Unit193: were there any issues blocking us from the latest thunar?
[00:06] <bluesabre> jphilips: re snap store, I think there might be an ubuntu-specific package that pulled it in. It's a snaps-only version of gnome-software. I didn't get it from installing (been running 20.04 for a while), but manually installed it to compare
[00:12] <Unit193> bluesabre: I never finished that in debian because I got blocked on d/copyright.  (I should fix it, but I don't want to re-write it.  So I just procrastinated rather than doing anything.)
[00:13] <bluesabre> Unit193: gotcha. I'll probably test it briefly and then do an ubuntu upload
[00:13] <bluesabre> Unit193: I'm amused by this, should I do it for 20.04? https://github.com/ubuntu-mate/ubuntu-mate-settings/commit/3798a33b769a76103ac52e83dbd0b0133fad0241?short_path=2b5ec6c#diff-2b5ec6c5cb5771c0e44d5655c512c422
[00:15] <Unit193> It's a pretty low risk place to do something like that, but dpkg-divert isn't really great.  For one thing, it can only be done once, so you'll get errors if you try to install both packages.
[00:16] <bluesabre> But hopefully not many people install (x)ubuntu-(mate-)live-settings at the same time
[00:17] <Unit193> Precisely why I said it was low risk, it's only for the live image.
[00:17] <Unit193> In an ideal world, this would be an alternative.
[00:44] <bluesabre> that's not good
[00:44] <bluesabre> https://i.imgur.com/RxzRzA1.png
[00:49] <kryten> Unexpectedly much desktopy!
[00:50] <kryten> And well, I only got the actual Desktop one there, but even then it looks kinda out of place in this view.. :3
[00:53] <Unit193> Want to try new thunar, kryten?
[00:54] <bluesabre> Shew, looks like it was a bad local installed elementary-xfce
[00:54] <bluesabre> Bizaaaaaaarrrrreeee
[00:55] <kryten> Unit193: I feel like that's a trick question.. –__–
[00:55] <Unit193> dh_shlibdeps -X debian/thunar/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/xfce4/panel/plugins/libthunar-tpa.so -- \ -dRecommends debian/thunar/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/xfce4/panel/plugins/libthunar-tpa.so -dDepends  but that is never used. >_<
[00:56] <Unit193> bluesabre: Good news.  Curious, do you scan buildlogs? :>
[00:56] <Unit193> Aka, did you notice that "defined, but unused" note?
[00:57] <bluesabre> Unit193: generally scan them, yeah
[00:57] <bluesabre> The defined, but unused I've learned to ignore
[00:57] <bluesabre> *shame on me*
[00:57] <Unit193> That's one to look into, used but undefined is fine.
[00:58] <bluesabre> I'll keep an eye out going forward
[00:58] <bluesabre> Unit193: so, I take it you have a thunar package in the works? Any yeah, seems the way too many desktops was a local /not-thunar issue
[00:59] <Unit193> Well, not precisely?
[01:00] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/FaxTvqr1xxL5aAirODIR is what I had, only started.
[01:03] <Unit193> (That ends up being: Recommends: libxfce4panel-2.0-4 (>= 4.13.0))
[01:06] <bluesabre> Unit193: gotcha
[01:11] <bluesabre> neat. https://imgur.com/Jn0JXX8
=== brainwash_ is now known as brainwash
[01:20] <bluesabre> Unit193: uploading a thunar 1.8.14 package (bare minimum ubuntu package bump)
[01:30] -BottyMcBotFace:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: Divert default Ubiquity Ubuntu branding with Xubuntu branding (LP: #1867515); release 20.04.3 @ http://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-default-settings/commit/?id=c1de4e8cc1f4ec0332ff36ec442bf1ea72d4b5c0 (by Sean Davis)
[01:30] -BottyMcBotFace:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: Add the missing new files for the previous commit @ http://git.launchpad.net/xubuntu-default-settings/commit/?id=e32770385757008dceda3e477e628274ca4b6eeb (by Sean Davis)
[01:35] <bluesabre> I think that's everything I meant to do today.
[03:15] <Unit193> \o/
[09:09] <jphilips> bluesabre: thanks
[09:15] <ochosi> bluesabre: awesome sauce, thanks! :)
[09:33] <surveyor3[m]> I have limited data plan, if I install on a virtual machine Xubuntu 20.04 and just update through the updater is it enough to test it or I have to download the daily ISO?
[09:33] <Unit193> THe first can be very useful, specifically to point out stuff that we might not see or otherwise file bugs.
[09:36] <surveyor3[m]> Thank you Unit193
[09:59] <brainwash> Unit193: you could have referenced bug 1870376
[09:59] <ubottu> bug 1870376 in exo (Ubuntu) "lib exo inexistent link" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1870376
[10:00] <Unit193> brainwash: Ah, didn't see it as you linked https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16696 then started discussing it.
[10:00] <ubottu> bugzilla.xfce.org bug 16696 in General "Cannot create email from within Firefox" [Normal,New]
[10:00] <brainwash> same here, I was checking launchpad exo bugs only today 
[10:01] <brainwash> bluesabre even commented on that lp report
[10:01] <bluesabre> and I never do that
[10:02] <bluesabre> :D
[10:02] <bluesabre> How's everybody doing?
[10:02] <jphilips> bluesabre: 2 people reported this issue in the last day - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/469213
[10:02] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 469213 in thunar (Ubuntu) "[Thunar] Using extract here, folder disappearing after 1 second" [Undecided,Invalid]
[10:04] <bluesabre> jphilips: that bug's been around forever :)
[10:05] <jphilips> oh okay so nothing new. is it an thunar bug and is it reported upstream?
[10:05] <brainwash> it is
[10:06] <brainwash> it's not about disappearing folders though, but about them being named "blabla (2)"
[10:06] <brainwash> which is invalid
[10:06] <brainwash> you refresh and get the correct "blabla"
[10:07] <brainwash> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16093
[10:07] <ubottu> bugzilla.xfce.org bug 16093 in General "Folder is not refreshed after extracting archives" [Normal,New]
[10:28] <jphilips> not sure forever equals less than 6 months ago, atleast according to the bug report
[10:28] <jphilips> was there a reason why we dont ship the new folder thumbnailer added in xfce 4.14
[10:29] <Unit193> jphilips: Oh, in case you didn't see the notice, rebuilt core.
[10:29] <Unit193> Since you asked and all.
[10:29] <jphilips> Unit193: no didnt see it. thanks
[10:46] <bluesabre> > Unapproved: accepted xfwm4 [source] (focal-proposed) [4.14.1-0ubuntu1]
[10:47] <Unit193> Guess someone didn't think it was too much of a bump
[10:48] <bluesabre> Yeah
[10:48] <bluesabre> > Unapproved: accepted exo [source] (focal-proposed) [0.12.11-1ubuntu1]
[10:53] <bluesabre> Unit193: I suspect they may block xubuntu-default-settings, since it's a graphical change, but I think everything else should land
[10:54] <bluesabre> though we don't have screenshots anywhere (except my blog)
[11:05] <jphilips> graphical, but a bug :D
[11:08] <Unit193> Not a bug.
[11:33] <bluesabre> Ubuntu flavors are still Ubuntu after all, not a bug, just branding... if anything it's an undocumented hack ;)
[11:34] <bluesabre> A hack I'm willing to do because the leader of Ubuntu Mate became the desktop lead, so his example is clearly not too frowned upon :D
[12:07] <jphilips> incorrect branding is a bug in my view
[12:08] <Unit193> Xubuntu is Ubuntu, soo not incorrect.
[12:08] <Unit193> bluesabre: I'd like tot see that with alternatives in the future, not that you're in control of that. :3
[13:02] <jphilips> repeat: was there a reason why we don't ship the new folder thumbnailer added in xfce 4.14
[13:02] <jphilips> https://docs.xfce.org/xfce/thunar/tumbler#customized_thumbnailer_for_folders
[13:06] <Unit193> I seem to remember from a distro standpoint there was something crappy about enabling it, while from a userstandpoint it was easier, or cleaner, or something.
[13:12] <brainwash> jphilips: probably because there was no request to do it
[13:15] <jphilips> we have a number of thumbnailing scripts enabled by default already, so adding one more so users don't have to manually do it with sudo seems like a big win to me
[13:15] <jphilips> brainwash: let me file one then :D
[13:17] <Unit193> There was more to it than that...From what I remember.
[13:19] <jphilips> well if you do remember or find anything about it, please do add your comment - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/1873268
[13:19] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1873268 in thunar (Ubuntu) "Enable Xfce 4.14 folder thumbnailing" [Undecided,New]
[13:32] <dawid_mlyn> Hello World : )
[13:35] <dawid_mlyn> I was testing xubuntu core as my main Operating System on my old macbook 3.1 (from late 2007).
[13:38] <jphilips> hi dawid_mlyn. anything to report about xubuntu core?
[13:39] <dawid_mlyn> When it boots from USB key the keyboard is not working properly - i.e. only a few keys are active, as if the numlock was on. The issue is, there is no numlock key, as this is a laptop.
[13:40] <dawid_mlyn> So I could not enter the user name or password until I figured out, that I can run 'numlockx toggle' command, to turn the numerical keys off.
[13:41] <Unit193> Sounds like laptop-detect doesn't think your laptop is a laptop.
[13:41] <Unit193> In lightdm, there's a script enabled to try and check.  You should be able to disable that, or remove numlockx.
[13:43] <dawid_mlyn> Yeah, I was not sure where to set it up. I looked at /usr/share/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/50-xubuntu-numlock.conf and /etc/default/numlockx
[13:44] <dawid_mlyn> In the end I solved it by creating empty file named 'numlockx toggle', so I could copy the command and paste it in the terminal. Once I had my keyboard working, I installed the OS and after booting from SSD, I have modified /etc/default/numlockx
[13:45] <Unit193> Well as noted, you could simply remove the package to solve that issue.  But you can also see what laptop-detect says (laptop-detect;echo $?)
[13:45] <Unit193> Ah.
[13:46] <dawid_mlyn> Give me a few minutes. I'll check it now.. I just need to boot the macbook
[13:54] <dawid_mlyn> It returns '1'.
[13:54] <dawid_mlyn> I have downloaded the newest ISO just now. Will check the result again when I boot from the USB.
[14:03] <dawid_mlyn> https://i.imgur.com/26sMZEJ.png
[14:03] <dawid_mlyn> It is the same when I boot from USB.
[14:05] <Unit193> Congrats, your laptop is a desktop! :P
[14:05] <dawid_mlyn> https://everymac.com/systems/apple/macbook/specs/macbook-core-2-duo-2.2-white-13-late-2007-santa-rosa-specs.html
[14:06] <dawid_mlyn> This white macbooks used to be quite popular back in the day.. I wonder why laptop detection is not working. Where should I report it to further investigate it?
[14:08] <Unit193> What's it say when you run it with -v?  If you file a bug on LP about this, please be sure to include debug output.
[14:09] <dawid_mlyn> It says "We're not on a laptop (no relevant hint found)".
[14:09] <dawid_mlyn> 1
[14:10] <dawid_mlyn> The battery is dead on this machine, but that should not be enough to fool laptop-detection script..
[14:11] <Unit193> Correct, that shouldn't.  Honestly?  For best results, likely on https://gitlab.com/debiants/laptop-detect would be the most likely to get it fixed.
[14:11] <Unit193> (Also I need sleep, so my English is terrible right now, as you can see.)
[14:13] <dawid_mlyn> I can understand you pretty well ; ) Thanks for checking it with me : )
[14:32] <dawid_mlyn_on_ma> Handle 0x0010, DMI type 0, 24 bytesBIOS Information	Vendor: Apple Inc.	Version:     MB31.88Z.008E.B02.0803051832	Release Date: 03/05/08
[14:32] <dawid_mlyn_on_ma> Handle 0x0011, DMI type 1, 27 bytesSystem Information	Manufacturer: Apple Inc.	Product Name: MacBook3,1	Version: 1.0
[14:34] <dawid_mlyn_on_ma> This is from "sudo dmidecode", so it knows that it is MacBook3,1
[14:50] <Eickmeyer> We've got an interesting bug for ristetto. (bug 1873244). Turns out ristretto believes there is more to the image and makes the windows "scrollable" when it's not. It's apparent in materia, but not so much in other themes that use a gradient.
[14:50] <ubottu> bug 1873244 in ristretto (Ubuntu) "blue corner" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1873244
[14:50] <Eickmeyer> Not sure how to push this one upstream.
[22:08] <bluesabre> Unit193: I think everything we uploaded yesterday got accepted :)
[22:09] <Unit193> Nothing of ours sitting in the queue.
[22:11] <bluesabre> Unit193: do you understand the bug report here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfwm4/+bug/1873318 ?
[22:11] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1873318 in xfwm4 (Ubuntu) "xfwm4 shows staircase screen with amd Raven2 graphics" [Undecided,New]
[22:11] <bluesabre> At the very least, I don't notice any issues in his screenshot
[22:14] <bluesabre> Unit193: (sorry for the sudden spam), are you able to symlink https://docs.xubuntu.org/1910/ to https://docs.xubuntu.org/2004/ since we're currently limited on building the docs?
[22:15] <Unit193> I do not see the issue either.  I can do that, but one can still build the docs on older releases (but that's what's in the archive, sooo.)
[22:18] <Unit193> bluesabre: https://docs.xubuntu.org/2004/
[22:19] <bluesabre> Unit193: thanks a bunch :)
[22:23] <Unit193> I wonder if 'latest' shouldn't instead be what's in git master.
[22:26] <bluesabre> I'll let you make that decision :)
[22:29] <Unit193> Did you see compton stopped in '17, and has since been forked?
[22:34] <ochosi> it has?
[22:34] <bluesabre> Unit193: I did not. Haven't used compton in a little while.
[22:35] <Unit193> ochosi: https://github.com/chjj/compton/commits/master - https://github.com/yshui/picom
[22:37] <ochosi> anything notable about the fork?
[22:40] <Unit193> Dunno, just know it exists.
[22:41] <bluesabre> Neat.
[22:44] <ochosi> hah
[22:45] <Unit193> ochosi: Also note, it's not in Debian (thus Ubuntu)
[22:45] <ochosi> "The current battle plan of this fork is to refactor it to make the code possible to maintain, so potential contributors won't be scared away when they take a look at the code."
[22:45] <Unit193> :D
[23:35] <jphilips-live> where can i find the syslog file?
[23:36] <jphilips-live> catfish is taking to long to find it
[23:36] <jphilips-live> had a error during installation. seems i always seem to be getting this error.
[23:38] <jphilips-live> https://i.imgur.com/ldxSRCw.png
[23:38] <Unit193> You'll want to look in /var/log/syslog, and likely /var/log/installer/
[23:38] <jphilips-live> had this same error when i installed 19.10
[23:39] <jphilips-live> is the service that catfish is reliant on, installed by default?
[23:40] <jphilips-live> when i say service, it my be an app
[23:41] <Unit193> catfish uses either find or locate, depending on which you select.
[23:42] <jphilips-live> there is no means to select either in the UI. are both find and locate installed by default
[23:42] <jphilips-live> seems both are installed
[23:44] <jphilips-live> thanks Unit193. restarting now into my install. gonna spend a week dogfooding on real hardware