[00:15] [telegram] Ubuntu Cinnamon had their first release delayed two months-i'm sure you'll be fine as long as there isn't another major release (like LM 20) in the way that could remove hype (re @KaiLoveLinux: I doubt I will get Ubuntu Lumina to release on time , but I will be as close as possible) [00:15] [telegram] e.g. ubuntu cinnamon kinda rushed a little in 19.10, because LM 19.3 was going to be released the next few days [00:16] [telegram] I understand, I mean once Ubuntu itself was delayed. (re @ItzSwirlz: Ubuntu Cinnamon had their first release delayed two months-i'm sure you'll be fine as long as there isn't another major release (like LM 20) in the way that could remove hype) [00:16] [telegram] It's okay, it happens to everyone (re @KaiLoveLinux: I understand, I mean once Ubuntu itself was delayed.) [00:16] [telegram] Doesn't signify whether the team is trash or not [00:16] [telegram] Only downside is that it will remove time for the next release-20.04 for UC was a tiny bit impacted by that [00:17] [telegram] Right, I just gotta keep positive and not think I am a failure for not hitting the deadline. [00:17] [telegram] welcome @GiuseppeVenturaGiordano === dax is now known as housecat [03:23] [telegram] Hi! I'm hyped for the next stable version [03:27] good morning [05:05] RikMills: i talked to the UWN team and they want to publish the devs are looking for more point release testers, but they need a source article they can base on, some guide/explain what it is exactly you need [06:32] lotuspsychje: I'll have to discuss that with other flavours. probably AFTER we get 20.04 out [07:24] RikMills: great! [07:28] any news about the snap store background bug? [09:04] [telegram] Looks like it switched to saying LTS now!: [09:05] [telegram] (edited)Looks like it switched to saying LTS now!: === Dr8g0n1 is now known as Dr8g0n [11:52] [telegram] shaban238: did you check the bug report? [11:54] [telegram] how is it going running on a RPi (re @troyBORG: ) [12:04] yes cheked that and no feedback [12:17] [telegram] Hello. I just enabled the keyboard mouse, the a11y feature. The default movement speed was 10 pixels. Which is unusable and only changeable with dconf. [12:17] [telegram] Could you be so kind and enable it on your system and check if you can use it? [12:20] [telegram] Which flavor and how exactly [12:21] [telegram] Might be good to do a screencast [13:30] [telegram] https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/focal-fossa-final-release-status-tracking/15366 [13:31] [telegram] Will be updating that as required next week. [13:48] if i open xfce power manager and than system preferences and click again power manager i would get a spinning ball. is this normal? [13:49] shaban238: Can't reproduce here. [13:52] https://streamable.com/fhkc7n [13:53] shaban23855: Yes, I understand it's reproducable on your system. However, if it can't be reproduced on other systems, then it's moot and not a bug. [13:54] thats why im asking to try [13:55] shaban23855: I tried!!! [13:55] hm, and what about the snap store [13:55] Ohhh... this time I followed a little closer. [13:55] I was able to reproduce this time and, yes, that's normal because you alredy have xfce4-power-manager open in another window. It's to prevent you from having duplicate windows. [13:56] As far as the snap store, let me try. [13:56] okbtw it would be better if you click that to send you to the window already opened and not getting a spinning ball [13:56] IMHO [13:57] Limitation of Xfce. [13:57] i see :) [13:58] Unable to reproduce the snap store issue. I think it might be a graphics card problem on your end. [13:58] anyway i reported 2 days ago the bug with the sanp store. its pretty weird as i fresh installe dthe system different times and its still there [13:58] Don't expect all bugs to get worked on immediately. [13:58] [telegram] shaban23855: yep agree that would be a better thing than doing the spinning ball. [13:59] [telegram] you can file the bug here https://bugzilla.xfce.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Xfce4-power-manager&component=General&resolution=--- [13:59] its not a problem on my graphic i can guarantee you [13:59] shaban23855: I'll try it on 3 different systems and report back, but I tried it just now on my system and no issues. [13:59] https://postimg.cc/tsLpYVKp [14:00] [telegram] i see three bugs opened about the same snap store bug [14:00] [telegram] https://bugs.launchpad.net/snap-store/+bug/1867417 [14:01] Ubuntu bug 1867417 in snap-store "snap-store launches without theme (transparent) when using non standard themes" [Undecided,New] [14:01] [telegram] https://bugs.launchpad.net/snap-store/+bug/1872767 [14:01] Ubuntu bug 1872767 in snap-store "Snap Store transparent UI" [Undecided,New] [14:01] [telegram] https://bugs.launchpad.net/snap-store/+bug/1873033 [14:01] Ubuntu bug 1873033 in snap-store "snap store missing background" [Undecided,New] [14:01] so it means that others are getting the same [14:01] Ok, that means it's reproducible and perhaps those need to be combined into the same bug. [14:01] [telegram] yes if someone as the ability, please do combine them [14:01] that background thingy, is it a theme issue? [14:02] [telegram] one of the bugs mentions 'when using non standard themes' so yes seems like a theming issue [14:02] I think it's an Nvidia driver issue. [14:02] my card its not nvidia [14:03] [telegram] shaban23855: which gpu do you have? [14:03] [telegram] :D [14:03] intel hd3000 [14:03] btw im trying another theme [14:03] and its not reproducable [14:03] Bugs marked as duplicates. [14:03] so the main theme is materia [14:04] [telegram] so 1867417 should be the main report [14:04] [telegram] thanks [14:04] It should fallback to adwaita when using Materia. Although, I have about a year-old bug open with the gtk-common-themes snap to get materia in and nobody has done it. >.< [14:05] [telegram] just yesterday i was speaking to stuart langridge about snap theming issue he was having on ubuntu mate :D [14:05] [telegram] does studio have adwaita-full installed by default, as xubuntu doesnt [14:05] yes studio as adwaita [14:06] has* [14:06] [telegram] there is a difference between adwaita and adwaita-full [14:06] ah ok [14:06] That shouldn't matter. The snaps use a snap for theming called gtk-common-themes. [14:06] [telegram] adwaita has just the symbolic icons and adwaita-full has the colored icons [14:07] The problem in this instance is the snap isn't automatically falling-back to adwaita. [14:07] [telegram] yep that seems to be the issue. [14:07] [telegram] like the person mentioned in the bug report. [14:07] good spot [14:08] so pardon me as im a newbie but im trying my best to spo things as it should be properly done [14:08] [telegram] shaban23855: once you file the power manager bug, do paste the url here [14:08] spot* [14:08] yes i will do that [14:09] I think that "power manager" bug is actually a bug with xfwm because it should be raising the window, but is not. [14:09] [telegram] i'm a newbie as well. just know many bugs will need to be filed upstream with xfce, as they aren't studio specific bugs [14:09] btw can i ask you smth. i have unchecked all my power management options and screen savers and my laptop goes blank screen anyhow [14:09] [telegram] was thinking it maybe a settings manager bug [14:10] [telegram] shaban23855: that seems weird [14:10] @philipz Nah, it's Xfwm. Xfwm simply doesn't raise applications to the foreground when they're called upon. It's reproducible everywhere. [14:10] Settings manager is simply a fancy application launcher. [14:10] [telegram] oh okay. well we can change the component after shaban23855 files it [14:14] can you please provide me with some hints on how to put the title and the description [14:14] Related to the snap-store bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd/+bug/1585332 [14:14] Ubuntu bug 1585332 in snapd "Graphical snaps don't honour the desktop theme" [Wishlist,Triaged] [14:15] [telegram] shaban23855: title could be, unable to launch app under settings manager if already open [14:15] [telegram] description, you can just link to your video [14:16] Nah, provide detail and describe the video. Bug reports with a video link are useless and treated as spam. [14:17] I mean, describe and link, don't simply post the link. :) [14:17] [telegram] installed and running xubuntu 20.04 starting this morning and i presume the missing icons in software were a bug, but as its there in bluesabre's screenshot i guess not - https://bluesabre.org/content/images/2020/04/desktop-06-software.png [14:17] [telegram] or is it? [14:18] @philipz Luckily for you, the Graybird theme is included in gtk-common-themes. [14:18] [telegram] :D [14:18] philipz: some icons are not ready yet, got the same on -desktop here [14:19] [telegram] is this something new to studio 20.04, or was it also around in 19.10? [14:19] Materia is the problem in that it's not. I have a bug opened with the upstream developer of gtk-common-themes and they don't care. [14:19] grey default gear icons [14:20] [telegram] lotuspsychje: strange that it would be like that when these are well known apps like krita and obs [14:20] @philipz: https://imgur.com/a/6gbiIX3 [14:20] [telegram] Eickmeyer: thats unfortunate [14:20] Indeed. It's one reason we're not recommending snaps for Ubuntu Studio among others. [14:21] 1) theming is wrong, 2) external plugins cannot be accessed. [14:23] @philipz: journal spits out a bunch of denied snap store stuff, not sure if related to the default icons [14:24] [telegram] is studio installing the snap store by default? [14:24] yes [14:25] [telegram] we aren't doing that on xubuntu [14:25] [telegram] lotuspsychje: maybe file a bug about [14:26] yesterday was asked not to file too much bugs, should i? [14:27] snap-store only delivers snaps, if I understand correctly. That loses the rest of the archive. [14:27] [telegram] from what i understood snap-store installs everything [14:27] I’ll have to take another look. [14:27] [telegram] lotuspsychje: has to be file one way or another. if they dont want to deal with it now, they wont. [14:28] but maybe they still working on the store right now? [14:29] [telegram] it would be against gnome software, as it happens on xubuntu as well [14:29] from what i understand snap store is now ubuntu software centre yeah [14:29] opening the snap store, opens it [14:29] https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16707 [14:29] bugzilla.xfce.org bug 16707 in Settings Manager "unable to launch app under settings manager if already open" [Normal,New] [14:31] [telegram] 😟 [14:31] [telegram] shaban23855: thanks. i've commented [14:32] [telegram] lotuspsychje: from what i understand, snap-store is a rebranded snap version of gnome software [14:32] lotuspsychje: I'd say bugs against snaps are an exception since they don't rely on a specific release or packages to get pushed through in to the archive. [14:33] ok Eickmeyer [14:34] It looks like the majority of the packages awaiting approval are done (from 82 packages last I looked down to 8), so I think we can reopen reporting bugs, lotuspsychje. [14:35] allrighty [14:35] I'd expect RC images to start dropping sometime today or tomorrow. [14:41] can someone explain me if im doing smth wrong that im getting the blank screen after the lapotp being unused? i changed all power manager settings and also disabled screen saver and lock screen [14:45] [telegram] i replied to you earlier that that seems wrong [14:45] [telegram] Eickmeyer, bluesabre: ^^^ [14:47] Might be a competing lock screen. Make sure light-locker is not also installed and running, especially if coming from an upgrade. [14:48] We did remove light-locker from the seed. [14:49] Oh, progress on the snap store theming issue: I talked to someone who is going to work on getting Materia included in gtk-common-themes tonight, should resolve the issue in the next day or so. [14:49] this is a fresh install and its not coming from an upgrade [14:49] My rationalle: It's directly affecting Ubuntu Studio users at this point. [14:49] [telegram] \o/ [14:50] The open issue: https://gitlab.gnome.org/Community/Ubuntu/gtk-common-themes/-/issues/13 [15:52] ok so i have spotetd that this blank screen may be happening as i choosed supend for the laptop lid. i tried turn display off and i did not get the blank screen after idle [15:53] [telegram] great bug triaging. keep it up. [16:00] im just trying to replicate again to be sure [16:17] shaban23855: For snap-store, do this: "killall snap-store" then "snap refresh --channel=latest/stable/materia gtk-common-themes" [16:17] Try the snap store then. [16:17] Make sure you're using Materia. [16:22] ok let me try it now [16:23] Eickmeyer yeahh its working :D [16:23] Perfect. I'll let them know. [16:23] thnks! [16:25] shaban23855: It will be in the candidate channel today and stable by monday. [16:26] Eickmeyer @philipz could this be related to that icon bug #1843183 [16:26] bug 1843183 in Snap Store "Snap store silently ignores bad icons from snapcraft.yaml" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1843183 [16:26] great! [16:27] lotuspsychje: That's verrrry possible. [16:27] not sure i understand the yaml part about this bug [16:28] lotuspsychje: The yaml file tells the snap store which icon to use to display the application in the store. Per that bug, if it's not a perfectly square icon (1:1), it's being ignored. [16:28] ah [16:32] [telegram] lotuspsychje: might be for the snap store but unrelated for gnome-software as those apps aren't snap there [16:32] @philipz Actually, the snap store shares a LOT of code with gnome-software, so it's likely the same bug, just reported against different packages. [16:33] In this case, appropriately. [16:33] but the snap-store is going to be ubuntu-software right? thats what popey said to us? [16:34] lotuspsychje: Yes, ubuntu-software, not gnome-software. That remains separate. [16:34] snap-store doesnt work on -desktop for me, it launches ubuntu software now [16:35] ok, so the icons showing as a gear are: retext, gnome-boxes,tali,lollypop,inkscape and gnome robots on the recent programs [16:36] how about at your end @philipz ? [16:38] [telegram] bug filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1873493 [16:38] Ubuntu bug 1873493 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) "icons missings from recent releases section" [Undecided,New] [16:38] ok can someone please try to replicate this: 1. scrennsaver off, 2. lock screen off, 3. https://postimg.cc/xJzvJ78C, 4. https://postimg.cc/SX5LKqy3, 5. https://postimg.cc/hfqrxS9q, 6. close your lid, 7. open it again after few seconds, 8. after 1 min max system goes to sleep [16:39] I'm running on a desktop, so I can't atm. [16:39] sorry links got the comma :/ [16:40] ok Eickmeyer [16:40] https://postimg.cc/xJzvJ78Chttps://postimg.cc/SX5LKqy3https://postimg.cc/hfqrxS9q [16:41] still not pasting properly sorry [16:41] Links were fine before. [16:41] Don't try to paste them again. [16:41] ok [16:41] My client filters out the commas. [16:41] (as do most) [16:41] o super [16:41] * Eickmeyer[m] uploaded an image: image.png (425KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/wpCYBteujdkcULTBFjdpDzzS > [16:42] ^ snap-store and gnome-software running simultaneously [16:42] lotuspsychje: ^ [16:43] yeah but i dont have gnome software installed [16:43] Right, my point is ubuntu-software != gnome-software. [16:50] [telegram] Eickmeyer: is humanity also shipped on studio? [16:50] @philipz the icon theme? [16:50] [telegram] yes [16:50] no. [16:50] WAIT.... [16:50] yes. [16:51] Pulled-in as a dep on something else. [16:51] [telegram] thanks [16:51] Likely elementary-icon-theme, much like Xubuntu, because legacy reasons. [16:52] I already asked in #ubuntu+1, sorry for re-asking here: debootstrapping focal no longer brings initramfs-tools. Is that intentional? [16:52] sdeziel: No clue. [16:52] This is just for testing collaboration, we don't make those decisions here. [16:54] Eickmeyer: understood. If you however do know where the package list comes from, I'd appreciate as it would help me find the decision makers ;) [16:55] No idea. [16:55] I don't necessarily object to the change, just trying to understand why it was made [16:55] OK, thanks anyway [17:01] sdeziel: Answered in ubuntu+1. [17:02] Eickmeyer is the cpu governor in ubuntustudiocontrols connected to the powermanager under the hood? [17:04] as im trying different settings for the blank page problem [17:04] shaban238: The code is here: https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio-controls/tree/usr/bin/ubuntustudio-controls [17:05] It reads /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpufreq/policy0/scaling_governor [17:05] thank you but i would need to study computer science to understand that :D [17:05] And then ssets it as necessary. [17:06] yes im sure it does i just want to replicate it correctly and see if other has the same issue [17:06] @philipz installed gnome-software and affected/confirmed your bug [17:07] lotuspsychje you pinged me, wassup? [17:08] popey: we had a few bugs with snap store here, we were discussing about things [17:08] ok, anything that needs my help / attention? [17:08] well snap-store seems to have the same bug as philipz just filed popey [17:09] link? [17:09] bug #1873493 [17:09] bug 1873493 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) "icons missing from main and internal pages" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1873493 [17:09] thanks [17:11] [telegram] Ubuntu Vanilla (Gnome) 20.04. (re @philipz: Might be good to do a screencast) [17:11] popey: https://imgur.com/a/6gbiIX3 [17:20] [telegram] @lightonflux you should file a bug against gnome control center 'ubuntu-bug gnome-control-center' [17:20] [telegram] and you can attach the video to the bug [17:49] [telegram] welcome Rafael [17:54] [telegram] I just installed the latest Kubuntu 20.04 and I'm having a lot of trouble getting a VS Code/Powershell/.NET Core environment set up. Tons of unmet dependencies that can't be installed. I have fully functional environments on my 18.04 laptop and 18.04 desktop. Is anyone here into .NET Core development on Linux? [17:54] [telegram] @RikMills, valorie: ^^^ [18:38] when i click an icon and click the other one it does not respond (top panel) [18:38] https://streamable.com/wzc22e [18:39] shaban238: That's because every indicator is using the same xfce panel plugin. It's simly not capable of switching menus on the fly. [18:40] Not a bug, just a limitation. [18:40] still limitation... [18:40] Yes. Expected behavior though. [18:40] can i suggest it to xfce developers? [18:41] I highly doubt there's anything they can do. I'm beginning to think the Xfce desktop isn't for you, shaban238. [18:42] The way the panel works is that you must close one menu to open another. That's what's expected. [18:42] well telling the truth i really like it [18:42] i just think IMHO needs some improvements and can be perfect [18:43] I highly recommend joining #xfce-dev. [18:44] I'm sure they'd love to talk over improvements. Bear in mind, though, Xfce development is glacially slow compared to other DEs. [18:44] [telegram] its the same way on windows, so doubt its a limitation [18:44] Probably by design then. [18:44] [telegram] assume its the same in Mate and most DEs [18:45] [telegram] maybe Gnome and KDE might be different [18:48] no but really, i mean i have tried gnome for a long time, kde also, i really like xfce but still i think that it needs improvements that im sure can be done. like for example resitzing a window. [18:49] anyway. this is not the place for this so.. [18:50] One way to contribute to a project is to give suggestions, so you're doing the right thing, just in the wrong place. That's why I recommended #xfce-dev. [18:50] [telegram] windows resizing is something that likely wont be fixed and seems to be theming issue - you should get used to the workaround for that - https://xubuntu.org/news/window-resizing-in-xubuntu-and-xfce/ [18:50] [telegram] For minor improvements is it worth requesting sync? [18:50] yes im getting used :D [18:50] [telegram] Also I think sometimes when syncing bugs can occur [18:51] [telegram] Like, that cinnamon time issue crash: it was a glitch [18:51] [telegram] The code was same as LM and Debian and I couldn’t replidoge it [18:51] [telegram] Blue man had a major crash too, but next update fixed [18:51] [telegram] Is syncing still allowed to happen for these types of things this week [18:51] @ItsSwirlz I'd recommend SRUs at this point. [18:52] The release team has already said they're puting everything to SRUs for focal now on. [18:52] *punting [19:48] [telegram] Nothing in the Ubuntu archive should have unmet dependencies. If you are trying to install things from 3rd party sources, then in most cases they need to update themselves their side. (re @Zachariah: I just installed the latest Kubuntu 20.04 and I'm having a lot of trouble getting a VS Code/Powershell/.NET Core environment set up. Tons of unmet dependencies that can't be installed. [19:50] [telegram] It is not unusual for 3rd parties to take some weeks or months to get things working on a new LTS release [19:50] [telegram] If there are issues you are think are Ubuntu side, then please report bugs [19:51] [telegram] Sorry, but I have no experience installing the things in your case, so cannot help with specific fixes [19:51] [telegram] Fair enough. I added Microsoft's repo, but the dependencies are from the Ubuntu repo. They may be out of date, which is why they refuse to install. [19:52] [telegram] 'sudo apt update' to get your repos cache up to date [19:54] [telegram] During ubuntu development especially library version change often, making software built for previous version uninstallable until the supplier rebuilds. I suspect microsoft will update their repos quite soon to work with 20.04 [19:54] [telegram] During ubuntu development especially library versions change often, making software built for previous version uninstallable until the supplier rebuilds. I suspect microsoft will update their repos quite soon to work with 20.04 (edited) [19:54] [telegram] I ran apt update multiple times. There is no repo for 20.04, so I was trying to get the 18.04 or 19.10 repos working. It is probably a matter of the dependencies being for the wrong OS version. I'll see if I can submit a ticket to Microsoft. Often MS trails LTS versions for a while. SQL Server required 16.04 well after 18.04 came out. [19:55] [telegram] Yeah, I would quite astonished if the 18.04 or 19.10 repos worked without problem! (re @Zachariah: I ran apt update multiple times. There is no repo for 20.04, so I was trying to get the 18.04 or 19.10 repos working. It is probably a matter of the dependencies being for the wrong OS version. I'll see if I can submit a ticket to Microsoft. Often MS trails LTS versions for a while. S [19:55] [telegram] yep mixing 19.10 3rd party repo with 20.04 is looking for porblems [19:56] [telegram] tried to install cawbird 19.10 on 20.04 and it wouldnt install due to dependancies [19:56] [telegram] just another reason why we have appimages, snaps and flatpaks [19:57] [telegram] Evil snap thingies try to help mitigate these issues, but they are not available or ideal for all things. [19:58] [telegram] I appreciate the insight. I am trying to ramp 20.04 up to satisfying all of my development requirements. I do a lot of NodeJS/React stuff as well, and that works without issues. [20:01] [telegram] Some things work well cross release as they are not tied to system library ABIs, other things are very much so so need updating for each release. Such is life on a linux system [20:04] [telegram] I know. I wouldn't be doing all this if I didn't really love Linux and want to be able to do everything in it. I should note that the Powershell library I am using is Universal Dashboard and is 100% cross-platform compatible. I have it running on my laptop and it is able to pull from my Azure SQL DB and display the results in Chrome for Linux. [20:05] @Zachariah -- wouldn't it be easier to just run Windows in a VM? [20:07] [telegram] I have almost 10 computers. A couple are Windows, a couple are Linux, and one is a Windows Server. My main laptop is dual-boot, but I almost always boot to K-18.04. I'm not unable to work. I'm doing Proof-of-Concept to test the new Ubuntu 20.04's ability to work for me and reporting issues when it can't. [20:11] cool [20:11] I don't like dual-boot because I don't wanna log out from linux [20:11] so a VM works for me [20:13] [telegram] I don't either, but this is an ultra-thin ASUS Flip that has all embedded components, so I kept the stock Windows because it is licensed and just added a Linux partition. It has a 512GB SSD, so there was plenty of room to do this. [20:16] nice [20:23] [telegram] SRUs? (re @ubuntutesting_bot: [irc] @ItsSwirlz I'd recommend SRUs at this point.) [20:26] @ItzSwirlz: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates [20:37] Eickmeyer when you do a fresh install of ubuntu studio (even though this happened also with normal ubuntu) the wifi during the installation, after connecting it didnt download additional updates. i read somewhere that its suggested to connect via ethernet during the installation process. is that right? [20:38] shaban238: If your wifi doesn't work out fo the box, yes. [20:38] Usually that happens with broadcom wireless cards. [20:39] i see. actually it got connected first. with ubuntu 18.04 didnt happen btw [20:40] anyway, next week will be the final day :D cant wait [20:40]