gamerchick02 | cmaloney, i tried Jit.si and it didn't work for my mom so we switched to Zoom. i'm not happy about that but whatever | 14:35 |
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jrwren | why not skype, or google hangouts or google duo or facetime? | 14:45 |
cmaloney | gamerchick02: Firefox? | 14:45 |
gamerchick02 | yes firefox | 14:45 |
cmaloney | I tried it with my parents and they had to use Chrome | 14:45 |
cmaloney | it was slightly frustrating to my dad to log into Chrome, but eventually they managed | 14:46 |
cmaloney | and you could see the light dawn for them on why this was useful | 14:46 |
gamerchick02 | jwren, i'm the only apple user in the family (ipad and i don't facetime with it), no to skype, no to hangouts, no to duo. it's too much to deal with right now, i do not have the bandwidth to help remotely right now. | 14:47 |
cmaloney | jrwren: I have reasons for each, but not sure if you care to hear them | 14:47 |
gamerchick02 | i can't leave to drive the hour and a half-ish to her house without risking a jail sentence and a $1000 fine so i'm not taking chances and i'm not happy about it. i know WHY (to keep the richies from going to their summer homes) but dang if it's killing me | 14:48 |
cmaloney | Well, it's also to contain the spread of COVID-19 | 14:49 |
cmaloney | But yeah, if zoom works then cool | 14:49 |
cmaloney | THat's one thing I like about Zoom: they've made it really simple to onboard folks | 14:50 |
cmaloney | Jitsi is working on the Firefox issues, though so hopefully it'll get better | 14:50 |
cmaloney | But yeah, remote diagnostics is no fun | 14:50 |
gamerchick02 | nice! i'll keep that in mind. it worked for my brother in firefox but he also has a beefy PC (as do i) and she's working from a laptop | 14:52 |
gamerchick02 | no remote diagnostics is absolutely no fun. i cannot see what she's doing and she's afraid to touch ANYTHING so i say "click on this" and she'll question me. or i'll say what do you see? "nothing." well that's a grand old help. | 14:53 |
gamerchick02 | when i'm on remote help calls being helped i tell the tech EXACTLY what i see and EXACTLY what i've clicked or typed in. | 14:54 |
gamerchick02 | with the exception of passwords or passcodes, then i say "i'm entering my password/code" | 14:54 |
jrwren | I'd LOVE to hear reasons why zoom is better than skype or hangouts. | 14:55 |
jrwren | I guess if it is your typical MSFT is evil stuff, I'd rather not both you with writing it out. | 14:56 |
gamerchick02 | zoom is not the best. i do not care what the best is but zoom works at this point in time so i'm not going to question it. i do not have bandwidth to argue with anyone about semantics about which video call software is best when I CANNOT SEE MY MOM to troubleshoot or even just see her in person. | 14:59 |
jrwren | that isn't what I mean. i'm not judging. | 15:00 |
cmaloney | jrwren: Zoom doesn't require an account to use it, just the client | 15:01 |
jrwren | interesting! | 15:02 |
cmaloney | jrwren: Also Hangouts used to (not currently) have an upper limit of 10 people for a call | 15:02 |
cmaloney | And Skype had a spam problem | 15:02 |
gamerchick02 | oh yes the whole account thing is one of the reasons why we're using it | 15:03 |
cmaloney | Not sure if that is still true with MSFT's transition for Skype from the old client, but leaving up your skype client was bound to attract horny russian girls | 15:03 |
gamerchick02 | i'd rather her use some open source client on linux but getting her to use linux at this point is a lost cause that i don't have the bandwidth to get her to use either | 15:04 |
gamerchick02 | EW | 15:04 |
cmaloney | Only one person needs a zoom account | 15:04 |
jrwren | now that you mention it. that is why i closed the skype client and never used it again many years ago... until a month ago. | 15:04 |
gamerchick02 | i knew there was a reason why i abandoned skype | 15:04 |
jrwren | thanks, that all makes sense. | 15:04 |
gamerchick02 | now i use skype for business every day for work but mostly screenshare and IM. | 15:04 |
cmaloney | So yeah, that's why Zoom is eating MSFT and Google's lunch | 15:04 |
cmaloney | Also Google kinda screwed up with their mixed messaging on the state of Hangouts and Google Meet | 15:05 |
cmaloney | It's part of the reason I checked out Jami and Signal | 15:05 |
cmaloney | And Google Duo feels like one of those Google Projects that gets started and has a half-life of 2 1/2 years before they kill it | 15:06 |
cmaloney | see also: Allo | 15:06 |
gamerchick02 | see also Stadia. i predict that to be gone before 2025 | 15:07 |
cmaloney | And Facetime is Apple only so Zoom has the advantage there | 15:07 |
cmaloney | gamerchick02: problem with Stadia is they should have kept Google Fiber to supplement it | 15:07 |
gamerchick02 | plus 1 to facetime. i realize that facetime is so EASY (i have used it in the past) but it's apple only and will never get ported to another system | 15:07 |
gamerchick02 | cmaloney, yes i agree. "every google fiber customer gets Stadia for $X extra if they want it." | 15:08 |
gamerchick02 | or they get a free trial for X months | 15:08 |
cmaloney | This is why I'm so hot on Jitsi, because it's actual competition to Zoom from the OSS side | 15:08 |
gamerchick02 | i prefer PS4 and switch for gaming :) | 15:08 |
cmaloney | Well, it also takes care of the crappy bandwidth issues | 15:08 |
gamerchick02 | oh and PC. one of the reasons why i've not bopped into the xbox arena... because almost all xbox games are on windows | 15:09 |
gamerchick02 | plus i'm not a halo fan. *shrug* | 15:09 |
cmaloney | But alas, I'm not Google, and even sometimes I wonder if GOogle is either | 15:09 |
gamerchick02 | lol true. their messaging services are just a hot mess right now | 15:09 |
cmaloney | I will admit that since the closure of G+ I'm not about to put in any effort into exploring Google products | 15:10 |
gamerchick02 | i still use hangouts but want to kill it in favor of telegram. just need one person to move over to telegram. hangouts doesn't even work on my watch | 15:10 |
gamerchick02 | i actually liked G+. why do they kill the good stuff... RSS, G+, hangouts (almost) | 15:11 |
cmaloney | I'm really hesitant about telegram, honestly. They've done a few things that really irritate me, not the least of which is their ICO for their BS whatever-coin. | 15:12 |
cmaloney | gamerchick02: There's more corporate whuffie to be had in decommissioning and creating new products than maintaining them. | 15:12 |
gamerchick02 | i just want fewer chat apps on my phone | 15:12 |
gamerchick02 | true | 15:12 |
jrwren | i find it is pretty easy... don't use products by the really evil companies. IMO GOOG and FB are REALLY evil. that cuts out over 50% of the chat app market ;) | 15:16 |
cmaloney | jrwren: indeed | 15:17 |
gamerchick02 | jrwren, that's great but then i'm vastly limiting my pool of friends (people i actually know in meatspace) that can contact me online. it's a double edged sword. | 15:27 |
gamerchick02 | not everyone knows that these companies are terrible (or they know and don't care). i know and care but in the interest of keeping in contact with people, i use them. *sigh*. yes i've given out my number (please do text me. please!) they insist on contacting me on facebook. | 15:29 |
gamerchick02 | oh and honestly there are people i only want to contact me on facebook (cue people that i'm connected to because reasons but don't want to have my mobile # also for reasons. those reasons being every dang meme and conservative thought that passes through their head) | 15:30 |
jrwren | yup. | 15:32 |
jrwren | its a choice. | 15:32 |
jrwren | i'm ok with limiting my pool of friends. | 15:32 |
jrwren | i say, "I don't use that" | 15:32 |
jrwren | always hilarious when i login to FB once every 6mo or so and see old messenger messages I missed. | 15:33 |
jrwren | just a week or so ago I learned how to see the cold messages on there... saw something from years ago... cuz FB can't write software for shit. | 15:33 |
cmaloney | I much prefer the "I'm not on Facebook" response, but I know that's a choice. :) | 15:38 |
cmaloney | My email is public if someone wants to get a hold of me | 15:38 |
jrwren | i just got cold emailed by someone after answering their stackoverflow question. am i wrong to find that inappropriate? | 15:44 |
gamerchick02 | i'm not ok with limiting my pool of friends. many are non-technical (like through OES and Nile) and i'm not going to snub them because "i don't do facebook". what i do is LIMIT my facebook use to every other day-ish and make sure i have notifications on for events and that's it. | 16:11 |
jrwren | sure. life is about choices. | 17:14 |
Scary_Guy | I used Jitsi with Firefox and had no issues, but that was before the most recent major update. | 20:33 |
cmaloney | I think it's mostly to do with camera / microphone access | 21:15 |
cmaloney | My dad had a hell of a time getting it to work with Firefox | 21:15 |
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