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gamerchick02cmaloney, i tried Jit.si and it didn't work for my mom so we switched to Zoom. i'm not happy about that but whatever14:35
jrwrenwhy not skype, or google hangouts or google duo or facetime?14:45
cmaloneygamerchick02: Firefox?14:45
gamerchick02yes firefox14:45
cmaloneyI tried it with my parents and they had to use Chrome14:45
cmaloneyit was slightly frustrating to my dad to log into Chrome, but eventually they managed14:46
cmaloneyand you could see the light dawn for them on why this was useful14:46
gamerchick02jwren, i'm the only apple user in the family (ipad and i don't facetime with it), no to skype, no to hangouts, no to duo. it's too much to deal with right now, i do not have the bandwidth to help remotely right now.14:47
cmaloneyjrwren: I have reasons for each, but not sure if you care to hear them14:47
gamerchick02i can't leave to drive the hour and a half-ish to her house without risking a jail sentence and a $1000 fine so i'm not taking chances and i'm not happy about it. i know WHY (to keep the richies from going to their summer homes) but dang if it's killing me14:48
cmaloneyWell, it's also to contain the spread of COVID-1914:49
cmaloneyBut yeah, if zoom works then cool14:49
cmaloneyTHat's one thing I like about Zoom: they've made it really simple to onboard folks14:50
cmaloneyJitsi is working on the Firefox issues, though so hopefully it'll get better14:50
cmaloneyBut yeah, remote diagnostics is no fun14:50
gamerchick02nice! i'll keep that in mind. it worked for my brother in firefox but he also has a beefy PC (as do i) and she's working from a laptop14:52
gamerchick02no remote diagnostics is absolutely no fun. i cannot see what she's doing and she's afraid to touch ANYTHING so i say "click on this" and she'll question me. or i'll say what do you see? "nothing." well that's a grand old help.14:53
gamerchick02when i'm on remote help calls being helped i tell the tech EXACTLY what i see and EXACTLY what i've clicked or typed in.14:54
gamerchick02with the exception of passwords or passcodes, then i say "i'm entering my password/code"14:54
jrwrenI'd LOVE to hear reasons why zoom is better than skype or hangouts.14:55
jrwrenI guess if it is your typical MSFT is evil stuff, I'd rather not both you with writing it out.14:56
gamerchick02zoom is not the best. i do not care what the best is but zoom works at this point in time so i'm not going to question it. i do not have bandwidth to argue with anyone about semantics about which video call software is best when I CANNOT SEE MY MOM to troubleshoot or even just see her in person.14:59
jrwrenthat isn't what I mean. i'm not judging.15:00
cmaloneyjrwren: Zoom doesn't require an account to use it, just the client15:01
jrwreninteresting!15:02
cmaloneyjrwren: Also Hangouts used to (not currently) have an upper limit of 10 people for a call15:02
cmaloneyAnd Skype had a spam problem15:02
gamerchick02oh yes the whole account thing is one of the reasons why we're using it15:03
cmaloneyNot sure if that is still true with MSFT's transition for Skype from the old client, but leaving up your skype client was bound to attract horny russian girls15:03
gamerchick02i'd rather her use some open source client on linux but getting her to use linux at this point is a lost cause that i don't have the bandwidth to get her to use either15:04
gamerchick02EW15:04
cmaloneyOnly one person needs a zoom account15:04
jrwrennow that you mention it. that is why i closed the skype client and never used it again many years ago... until a month ago.15:04
gamerchick02i knew there was a reason why i abandoned skype15:04
jrwrenthanks, that all makes sense.15:04
gamerchick02now i use skype for business every day for work but mostly screenshare and IM.15:04
cmaloneySo yeah, that's why Zoom is eating MSFT and Google's lunch15:04
cmaloneyAlso Google kinda screwed up with their mixed messaging on the state of Hangouts and Google Meet15:05
cmaloneyIt's part of the reason I checked out Jami and Signal15:05
cmaloneyAnd Google Duo feels like one of those Google Projects that gets started and has a half-life of 2 1/2 years before they kill it15:06
cmaloneysee also: Allo15:06
gamerchick02see also Stadia. i predict that to be gone before 202515:07
cmaloneyAnd Facetime is Apple only so Zoom has the advantage there15:07
cmaloneygamerchick02: problem with Stadia is they should have kept Google Fiber to supplement it15:07
gamerchick02plus 1 to facetime. i realize that facetime is so EASY (i have used it in the past) but it's apple only and will never get ported to another system15:07
gamerchick02cmaloney, yes i agree. "every google fiber customer gets Stadia for $X extra if they want it."15:08
gamerchick02or they get a free trial for X months15:08
cmaloneyThis is why I'm so hot on Jitsi, because it's actual competition to Zoom from the OSS side15:08
gamerchick02i prefer PS4 and switch for gaming :)15:08
cmaloneyWell, it also takes care of the crappy bandwidth issues15:08
gamerchick02oh and PC. one of the reasons why i've not bopped into the xbox arena... because almost all xbox games are on windows15:09
gamerchick02plus i'm not a halo fan. *shrug*15:09
cmaloneyBut alas, I'm not Google, and even sometimes I wonder if GOogle is either15:09
gamerchick02lol true. their messaging services are just a hot mess right now15:09
cmaloneyI will admit that since the closure of G+ I'm not about to put in any effort into exploring Google products15:10
gamerchick02i still use hangouts but want to kill it in favor of telegram. just need one person to move over to telegram. hangouts doesn't even work on my watch15:10
gamerchick02i actually liked G+. why do they kill the good stuff... RSS, G+, hangouts (almost)15:11
cmaloneyI'm really hesitant about telegram, honestly. They've done a few things that really irritate me, not the least of which is their ICO for their BS whatever-coin.15:12
cmaloneygamerchick02: There's more corporate whuffie to be had in decommissioning and creating new products than maintaining them.15:12
gamerchick02i just want fewer chat apps on my phone15:12
gamerchick02true15:12
jrwreni find it is pretty easy... don't use products by the really evil companies. IMO GOOG and FB are REALLY evil. that cuts out over 50% of the chat app market ;)15:16
cmaloneyjrwren: indeed15:17
gamerchick02jrwren, that's great but then i'm vastly limiting my pool of friends (people i actually know in meatspace) that can contact me online. it's a double edged sword.15:27
gamerchick02not everyone knows that these companies are terrible (or they know and don't care). i know and care but in the interest of keeping in contact with people, i use them. *sigh*. yes i've given out my number (please do text me. please!) they insist on contacting me on facebook.15:29
gamerchick02oh and honestly there are people i only want to contact me on facebook (cue people that i'm connected to because reasons but don't want to have my mobile # also for reasons. those reasons being every dang meme and conservative thought that passes through their head)15:30
jrwrenyup.15:32
jrwrenits a choice.15:32
jrwreni'm ok with limiting my pool of friends.15:32
jrwreni say, "I don't use that"15:32
jrwrenalways hilarious when i login to FB once every 6mo or so and see old messenger messages I missed.15:33
jrwrenjust a week or so ago I learned how to see the cold messages on there... saw something from years ago... cuz FB can't write software for shit.15:33
cmaloneyI much prefer the "I'm not on Facebook" response, but I know that's a choice. :)15:38
cmaloneyMy email is public if someone wants to get a hold of me15:38
jrwreni just got cold emailed by someone after answering their stackoverflow question. am i wrong to find that inappropriate?15:44
gamerchick02i'm not ok with limiting my pool of friends. many are non-technical (like through OES and Nile) and i'm not going to snub them because "i don't do facebook". what i do is LIMIT my facebook use to every other day-ish and make sure i have notifications on for events and that's it.16:11
jrwrensure. life is about choices.17:14
Scary_GuyI used Jitsi with Firefox and had no issues, but that was before the most recent major update.20:33
cmaloneyI think it's mostly to do with camera / microphone access21:15
cmaloneyMy dad had a hell of a time getting it to work with Firefox21:15

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