 Can’t find anything in the control lol center log
 Can’t find anything in the control center log (edited)
 Sorry to put you through that. Hahaha (re @philipz: checking out @bashfulrobot on DLN - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HB2BazvTDk4)
 just got a crash for ksplashqml, not sure how to report it
 I am running beta kubuntu 20.04
 I guess the instructions are here...https://community.kde.org/Guidelines_and_HOWTOs/Debugging/How_to_create_useful_crash_reports#Preparing_your_KDE_packages
[00:08] <Eickmeyer> !bug | @Bradlee
 I guess I am missing these files???:
[00:09] <Eickmeyer> All Ubuntu (and flavor) installations come with ubuntu-bug. It's a terminal command. Open Konsole and type in what I posted ^
 I tried ubuntu-bug ksplashqml and got this...:
[00:12] <Eickmeyer> !paste
[00:13] <Eickmeyer> Something else provides ksplashqml.
[00:16] <Eickmeyer> @RikMills ^ This is your territory now.
 what would you recommend I do to help?
[00:16] <Eickmeyer> I don't know what package provides ksplashqml, otherwise I'd be able to help.
[00:18] <Eickmeyer> @Bradlee Unless the error is reproducible, I wouldn't worry about it.
 @Eickmeyer Okay, thanks...just wanting to help...let me know if there are any bugs you want me to focus on or test
[00:19] <Eickmeyer> @Bradlee Keep an eye here for when the Release Candidates drop, and on iso.qa.ubuntu.com. That's what is going to need the testing.
 are they going to make kmail compatible with gmail?
 you mentioned the testing week, so its all good. (re @bashfulrobot: Sorry to put you through that. Hahaha)
 @Eickmeyer is kmail intended to be used with gmail?
 There's a known bug/conflict with gmail, which is one of the reasons kmail isn't installed by default in Kubuntu. kmail is pretty broken atm. :/ (re @Bradlee: @Eickmeyer is kmail intended to be used with gmail?)
[00:38] <gorfine> FYI, the QA for 18.04.4 seems to have mostly missed installing packages. After a normal install, not touching /etc/apt or otherwise mangling stuff, apt-get fails for many packages. It claims "requested an impossible situation" or "unstable distribution" or "held broken packages" when I try to install normal stuff like gcc and clang.
[00:39] <housecat> is that after doing sudo apt-get update?
[00:39] <gorfine> after many attempts at that
[00:39] <housecat> hrm
[00:40] <gorfine> not sure how this could have been missed, since I don't think I did anything all that strange
 @popeydc thoughts of where i should file this snap related issue of the close button (re @philipz: )
 https://github.com/diddlesnaps/cawbird/issues (re @philipz: @popeydc thoughts of where i should file this snap related issue of the close button)
 Oooh! This looks cool! (re @popeydc: https://github.com/diddlesnaps/cawbird/issues)
 @schykle said he found it in another snap as well, so its not a single snap issue (re @popeydc: https://github.com/diddlesnaps/cawbird/issues)
 else i would have definitely field it with them
 @schykle can you get the list of apps that have problems with it that you know
 Good idea!
 Currently Firefox, Cawbird, and Audacity for me. (re @philipz: @schykle can you get the list of apps that have problems with it that you know)
 are there any snaps not affect? :D
 @schykle presume your running ubuntu mate :D
 GIMP, Telegram, Discord, Eye Of GNOME (eog) (re @philipz: are there any snaps not affect? :D)
 Indeed I am! I don't experience these oddities in Ubuntu MATE BTW. Just under GNOME with Adwaita. (re @philipz: @schykle presume your running ubuntu mate :D)
 I'm still digging around because I have no idea where to look for what might be the issue. No idea what to file against TBH.
 yes Adwaita is what cawbird seems to be looking like
 i also dont know where to file it.
 installing cawbird on xubuntu 19.10 to see if it happens there as well
 okay so doesn't happen on 19.10, so a regression, and with 20.04, changing the theme, doesn't change cawbird's theme
 @schykle does that happen on your end as well?
 Still Adwaita for me 🤔 (re @philipz: @schykle does that happen on your end as well?)
 so changing the theme doesnt fix the issue on your end as well, correct?
 Indeed, but Cawbird seems to be the only one that keeps the Adwaita theme. (re @philipz: so changing the theme doesnt fix the issue on your end as well, correct?)
 Indeed, but Cawbird seems to be the only one that keeps the Adwaita theme. The others just change. (edited) (re @philipz: so changing the theme doesnt fix the issue on your end as well, correct?)
 but changing the theme still doesnt fix the close button bug
 ?
 I only see it with Adwaita. Perhaps it's an issue with the GTK-themes from Snap?
 It was the only important thing I talked about. (re @philipz: you mentioned the testing week, so its all good.)
 @bashfulrobot what no talk about budgie
 Very little outside my intro. Wasn't the point of the episode. 😀
[02:20] <lotuspsychje> good morning
 good night lotuspsychje, though its morning here :D
[02:22] <lotuspsychje> hey @philipz ; )
[06:42] <Cruft> Why is indexing on battery a default?
 https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=focal&arch=any&mode=filename&searchon=contents&keywords=ksplashqml (re @ubuntutesting_bot: [irc] <Eickmeyer> @RikMills ^ This is your territory now.)
 Cruft: can you explain further what you mean
 reminder for flavor that want to give the extra push - https://twitter.com/Xubuntu/status/1251782589427273728
 @wimpress @bashfulrobot @kc2bez @RikMills @franksmcb @Sick_Rimmit ^^^
 @schykle any update on your end. where you able to file the bug or triage any more.
[13:02] <lotuspsychje> a lot of bugs solved on -desktop here
[13:02] <lotuspsychje> nice work guys!
[13:51] <lotuspsychje> someone just filed bug #1873658
[13:52] <lotuspsychje> tested it, and the deb indeed opens fileroller
[13:55] <bluesabre> @philipz: No need to announce release notes early. The release notes are subject to change until the release is done since new issues can and should be documented. Publications (should) know to look here for the flavor release notes (been this way for years and years): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseNotes#Official_flavours :)
[13:59] -queuebot:#ubuntu-quality- Builds: Ubuntu MATE Desktop amd64 [Focal Final] (20200419) has been added
[13:59] <RikMills> ooh ^
[13:59] <bluesabre> Oh, the fun is about to begin.
[14:04] <lotuspsychje> yay
 bluesabre: Putting out the release notes early was what I mentioned in the ML and thought you agreed it was a good thing to do, and if it isnt published on the website or social media before the release, they can only access it after the release which diminishes there ability for then to do write ups until after the fact.
[14:08] <bluesabre> philipz: If they do a writeup before the fact, they're not reporting on the final release. In some cases, this can make a flavor look bad, especially if they're working hard to fix some bug. I think linking to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseNotes#Official_flavours helps make it look like less of a release announcement and more like, hey, here's what's happening now with each of the flavors.
[14:08] <bluesabre> (I know they'll write about it beforehand anyway, but let's not make it seem like that's OK.)
 With feature freeze in place there are only so much changes that can happen relating to release notes. You can see that ubuntu mate and studio put there's out. I think kubuntu did as well. But it's fine if xubuntu doesn't want the extra publicity.
[14:18] <bluesabre> Until the release is done, it's not the final product. No need to jump ahead of release day. :)
[14:20] <lotuspsychje> for those who use workspaces to dock extension, i filed a small bug/wish bug #1873659
 @bashfulrobot loved his in the DLN episode "Listen idiot. Of course this should be highlighted in yellow"
 /me counts the number of freeze exception he did.... (re @philipz: With feature freeze in place there are only so much changes that can happen relating to release notes. You can see that ubuntu mate and studio put there's out. I think kubuntu did as well. But it's fine if xubuntu doesn't want the extra publicity.)
 its at the 47:05 mark if anyone wants to see
 but that wont change the major changes that go into a release, which is what press will cover (re @RikMills: /me counts the number of freeze exception he did....)
[14:27] <bluesabre> That is, unless we have day 1 snap theming support, https://gitlab.gnome.org/Community/Ubuntu/gtk-common-themes/-/merge_requests/19
[14:27] <bluesabre> I'm still working over here ;)
 I've already changed them several times since they 1st went on the wiki
[14:28] <bluesabre> Anyway, gotta do some some IRL work now, bbl
 strange as @Eickmeyer said it was already in the snap (re @ubuntutesting_bot: [irc] <bluesabre> That is, unless we have day 1 snap theming support, https://gitlab.gnome.org/Community/Ubuntu/gtk-common-themes/-/merge_requests/19)
 release notes screenshot still shows the beta. whoops!
[14:46] <Eickmeyer> bluesabre: I'd bug kenvandine in #ubuntu-desktop about that. He's the one that got Materia in the snap for me.
[14:46] <Eickmeyer> bluesabre: Thing is, if Graybird is your default and the lack of the theme in the snap is breaking stuff, then it needs to get included.
 quite strange that its not in, as i tried cawbird snap on 19.10 and the theme did change to greybird when i switch it
[15:07] <bluesabre> Eickmeyer: yeah, I’ll ping him later today.
 Ubuntu MATE is now available for QA Testing
 really, as it should have been available for QA testing from the beta
 no-qa for final xd (re @philipz: really, as it should have been available for QA testing from the beta)
 oh i get what you mean now :D:
 Package for changing password?
 live session bug
 annd crash for marco happened
 Apport isn't working for me for some reason
 Terminal or UI? (re @ItzSwirlz: Package for changing password?)
 Name not readable (Make kubuntu installation difficult)
 Steps:
 - Try Kubuntu
 - Choose Theme Breeze Dark
 - Install Kubuntu
 - Software tab didn't show anything otherthan radio buttons
 This might help
 UI
 After yesterday's linux kernel upgrade
 My Ethernet driver not working, It even didn't show eth0 or enp0s3
 Here is details
 lspci -nn
 02:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL810xE PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller [10ec:8136] (rev 07)
 sudo ifconfig -a
 lo: flags=73 mtu 65536 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 255.0.0.0 inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 scopeid 0x10 loop txqueuelen 1000 (Local Loopback) RX packets 10331 bytes 1038803 (1.0 MB) RX errors 0 dropped 0 overruns 0 frame 0 TX packets 10331 bytes 1038803 (1.0 MB) TX errors 0 dropped 0 overruns 0 carrier 0 collisions 0
 wlp3s0: flags=4099 mtu 1500 ether a8:c1:fa:54:ea:40 txqueuelen 1000 (Ethernet) RX packets 8506 bytes 2394440 (2.3 MB) RX errors 0 dropped 0 overruns 0 frame 0 TX packets 13362 bytes 3805815 (3.8 MB) TX errors 0 dropped 0 overruns 0 carrier 0 collisions 0
 oh, ubuntu-mate? not sure in that. gnome has users-admin, but mate may have their own thing (re @ItzSwirlz: UI)
[15:41] <lotuspsychje> @JaydipChabhadiya: i saw bug #1873644 passby today, maybe related?
[15:42] <lotuspsychje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1873644
 got a screenshot? (re @JaydipChabhadiya: Name not readable (Make kubuntu installation difficult)
 Steps:
 - Try Kubuntu
 - Choose Theme Breeze Dark
 - Install Kubuntu
 - Software tab didn't show anything otherthan radio buttons
 This might help)
 No need to choose the dark theme on the live session. It won't carry over to the installed system. (re @JaydipChabhadiya: Name not readable (Make kubuntu installation difficult)
 Steps:
 - Try Kubuntu
 - Choose Theme Breeze Dark
 - Install Kubuntu
 - Software tab didn't show anything otherthan radio buttons
 This might help)
[15:45]  * RikMills slaps the bot
 Simon slapped me with a wet fish last tuesday (re @ubuntutesting_bot: [irc] <RikMills> slaps the bot)
 Very IRC, LOL
 Wasn't that 'a large trout'? :D
[16:03] <oerheks> trout-abuse..
[16:04] <lotuspsychje> yeah on Mirc
[16:04] <lotuspsychje> ./me slaps bot with a large trout
[16:19] <RikMills> Anyway, I know not to reply to multiline messages on the TG side now!
[16:21] <oerheks> !paste
[16:21] <oerheks> :-)
[16:22] <RikMills> !paste | ubuntutestingbot
[16:22] <RikMills> in other words, DON'T ping me 7 times on IRC!
[16:23] <RikMills> :D
 Hahahah. Yeah, it was fun. (re @philipz: @bashfulrobot loved his in the DLN episode "Listen idiot. Of course this should be highlighted in yellow")
[18:39] <shaban238> i spotted the bug i reported yesterday regarding the blank screen. its not smth obvious but if you turn off the screen saver without turning off firstly "activate screen saver when computer is idle" you will get a blank screen after a while even though in the power manager you set it to never.
[18:39] <shaban238> im explaining it here to let you know, i will update the report now
 Yes may be related, I have Dell Inspiron 5548 with RT8136 Ethernet Controller
 Already shared details above (re @ubuntutesting_bot: [irc] <lotuspsychje> @JaydipChabhadiya: i saw bug #1873644 passby today, maybe related?)
 I'll share in few minutes after regenerating (re @philipz: got a screenshot?)
 shaban238: nice dogch
 welcome Oerheks
 Hi philips (re @philipz: welcome Oerheks)
 Oerheks which flavor are you looking to test today?
 Running gnome on vbox, cannot wait to upgrade thursday
 you can upgrade from now if you like :D
 I'll do both, upgrade thhfsxay and fresh i stall
 I'll do both, upgrade thursday and fresh i stall (edited)
 if you dont know how to upgrade yet, you can used 'update-manager -d' https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/tutorial-upgrading-ubuntu-desktop#3-check-for-updates
 I think i do, see oerheks - ubuntu member
 welcome aboard the tester group
 Thanks!
 Oke, upgrade -d went smooth. Laptop aspire 5738g
 I found something strange with dolphin...kubuntu 20.04
 I get conflicting information about a directory /home/bradlee/Downloads https://imgur.com/a/ITW8aF7
[20:45] <valorie> does that continue if you refresh the view, @Bradlee?
[20:45] <valorie> I find it odd that /Downloads/ is called a file
[20:45] <valorie> when it's a folder
 there seems to be a soft link of some kind https://imgur.com/a/UWiH82I
[20:48] <valorie> that's a dot file
[20:48] <valorie> very odd
 @valorie is there a way to refresh the view
 @valorie it might be because the soft link is no longer valid
[20:49] <valorie> under the View menu the top choice in my menu is "redisplay"
[20:50] <valorie> I think Control f5 works as in your browser
[20:50] <valorie> since it is a file browser, essentially
[20:50] <valorie> back in teh day, konquerer did both
[20:50] <valorie> looooved it
[20:50] <valorie> but now I love dolphin and falkon
[20:50] <valorie> :-)
[20:51] <valorie> time marches on
 yea I was a konqueror fan too
 still konqueror is very powerful
[20:51] <valorie> as a file browser yes
[20:51] <valorie> not so good on the web anymore
 I think konqueror is good at debugging web stuff, but only ancient web stuff
[20:52] <valorie> right
 so if I fix the path, maybe that fixes the problem
 I tried using kde partition manager to mount my windows drive, but didn't work...
[20:59] <valorie> why not just use mount?
 because I am testing kubuntu
[20:59] <valorie> that said, I've not dual-booted for .... almost 20 years, so what do I know
 @valorie have you left windows behind???
[21:00] <valorie> I have a VM which gets used about once a year
[21:00] <valorie> some genealogy programs that are unusable in wine
 someone asked me to find a geneology program that worked with arabic and the only one that did was open source
[21:04] <valorie> gramps is good
[21:05] <valorie> the ones I was using a couple of years back were much more specialized
[21:07] <valorie> Genome Mate Pro in particular
 Yea Gramps was created by the Mormons I think
 here's the problem with the kde partition manager trying to mount my windows partition
 https://imgur.com/a/L5rNsV2
[21:20] <valorie> PAF was the LDS application
[21:20] <valorie> Gramps is independent
[21:20] <valorie> @Bradlee that sounds like a KDE bug I think? bugs.kde.org to file that
[21:21] <valorie> although you can file it on lp too: in the commandline
[21:21] <valorie> ubuntu-bug dolphin
[21:21] <valorie> and upload your screenshot there
[21:21] <valorie> once you are done, please link the bug number on the qatracker
 @valorie How do I attach multiple images to the bug, should I add the link to imgur?
[21:27] <valorie> you can attach multiple files -- best to upload them, not link to them
[21:28] <valorie> the ubuntu-bug command will report needed config files etc. for the devels to examine
 I don't see any way to attach multiple files unless I zip them first.
[21:33] <valorie> but IMO this will end up being a Dolphin bug, not a packaging bug, which is what *we* can fix
[21:33] <valorie> on LP or bugs.kde.org?
[21:33] <valorie> you can just reply to your original comment
 bugs.kde.org..I just zipped the images and attached the zip file
[21:34] <valorie> ok
[21:34] <valorie> now that you have a bko link, link that to your LP report
[21:34] <valorie> ubuntu-bug dolphin
[21:35] <valorie> in the commandline
 @valorie https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dolphin/+bug/1873699
[21:35] <valorie> cool
 lp report???
[21:35] <valorie> no link the number 1873699 on the qatracker
[21:36] <valorie> now
 uh, sorry, qatracker???  I am a newbie
[21:37] <valorie> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[21:37] <valorie> that's what this channel is all about
[21:38] <valorie> testing and reporting
[21:38] <valorie> the iso.qa is where the reports happen
[21:38] <valorie> find what you are testing (daily, beta, etc.)
[21:38] <valorie> and how you installed it, which is called a testcase
[21:39] <valorie> whole drive, etc.
 I tried logging in and it wants me to change my password
[21:39] <valorie> hmmm
[21:39] <valorie> do you have an LP account?
[21:39] <valorie> there is single-sign-on for all of Ubuntu
 okay I am logged in
[21:40] <valorie> excellent
[21:40] <valorie> :-)
 now I have to find out what I am testing
 Kubuntu Desktop amd64 testcases in Focal Beta (archived)
 now link the number 1873699 on the qatracker???
[21:44] <valorie> can you give me a link?
[21:44] <valorie> archived isn't right
[21:45] <valorie> did you install the beta? a daily ISO?
 beta (re @ubuntutesting_bot: [irc] <valorie> did you install the beta? a daily ISO?)
 so far I am here, away from where I was before:
 http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker
[21:45] <valorie> ok, well the beta could indeed be archived
 then I clicked on Focal Beta
[21:46] <valorie> go here: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/411/builds/210012/testcases
 http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/411/builds
 Focal Beta (archived)
 so do I need to upgrade to a daily?
[21:47] <valorie> go to my link instead
[21:47] <valorie> no
[21:47] <valorie> just find the testcase that applies from my link and doe the report
 find the testcase that applies???
 all I see are installs and one live session
 I think it would be a new testcase???
[21:49] <valorie> yes, you installed, originally, correct?
[21:49] <valorie> each testcase has multiple testers
 I installed with manual partitioning
[21:49] <valorie> cool, click that one then
 http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/411/builds/210012/testcases/1302/results
 Install (manual partitioning) in Kubuntu Desktop amd64 in Focal Beta (archived)
[21:50] <valorie> at the bottom click Add a Test Result
 but my bug seems to be "out of scope"
 don't see that
[21:51] <valorie> do you see the three reports at the bottom?
 yes
[21:51] <valorie> well damn
[21:52] <valorie> once logged in I can't see that either
[21:52] <valorie> ok
[21:52] <valorie> you've done your duty
[21:52] <valorie> lol
 yea I guess
 seems to be a whole new test case...
[21:52] <valorie> now you know how to use the qa tracker
 doesn't fall under install...my steps are a different animal
 yup
[21:52] <valorie> no, any bug you encounter should be reported
 if I was testing installs...
[21:53] <valorie> it's not just the installation, but after
[21:53] <valorie> too
 yea but where's the right place.
[21:53] <valorie> that would have been the right place
[21:53] <valorie> however, now the beta has been marked "ready"
[21:53] <valorie> which means no more reports I guess
[21:54] <valorie> *if* you are willing to install from a daily, say in a VM and see if you still experience your bug
[21:54] <valorie> you can
[21:54] <valorie> and report in one of the daily testcases
 yes this links to what you mean but using daily...http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/408/builds/210840/testcases/1302/results
[21:55] <valorie> ooo, or the Final (which is really a release candidate) : http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/412/builds
[21:56] <valorie> we're days away from release
[21:56] <valorie> so testing the "final" is important
[21:56] <valorie> keeping in mind it might not really be the final
 that page link has ... with an applidogion:                                    ubuntu-bug PACKAGE_NAME
 which is what I did.
[22:42] <valorie> applidogion?
[22:42]  * valorie goes outside to hunt dandelions
[22:44] <kc2bez> valorie: The bridge not mangles application and transforms it to applidogion.
[22:47] <kc2bez> *bot ^
 @valorie I should also report the bug with partitionmanager
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partitionmanager/+bug/1873706