[01:53] <Scary_Guy> Yeah, I think it restricts everything by default now and you have to allow it in.  Though I think it should still ask you.
[03:21] <dzho> we used jitsi for a LUG meeting today and one person had a heck of a time getting audio and video working
[03:22] <dzho> but the other five of us had no trouble really
[05:40] <Scary_Guy> I hate Chrome/ium but maybe use that?  I do use it for Netflix and other streaming services that refuse to work on Firefox.
[13:07] <cmaloney> Yeah, if Firefox isn't working then you'll have to suffer Chrome
[13:36] <dzho> yeah I don't remember if this guy was using Chrom[e|ium] or not, but that's what I was using and what I was recommending all around. I think we had him switch at one point. Turns out it was a permissions problem upstream somewhere in his settings. He swore he'd just used them all earlier and so they were working and that couldn't be it.
[13:36] <dzho> Until he went to check and that was it.
[13:37] <dzho> The permissions structures of these environments have always been a challenge to navigate, but the response to concerns about that seems to have been to add yet More Stuff, which then of course just makes it even harder to understand and control.
[15:11] <jrwren> wow... BigBlueButton looks interesting.
[15:17] <cmaloney> dzho: Yeah, that's the unfortunate side effect of browser-based controls
[15:38] <dzho> well, browser-based controls permuted through all possible web sites, and then layered atop OS-based controls permuted through all possible applications
[15:39] <dzho> like, spam was a hard-to-solve problem in mostly-text environments 30 years ago and the biggest response to it all seems to be "that sucks, so let's make silos and add multimedia features what could possibly go wrong"