[00:31] <howarth> Has anyone using the nvidia drivers actually been able to get single user or rescue mode to work?
[01:46] <mattfly> im testing 20.04 beta and using apt is extremely slow
[01:46] <mattfly> any idea why? even snap is faster
[01:51] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[02:37] <valorie> mattfly: test the RC instead
[02:38] <valorie> beta is old now
[02:38] <mattfly> cant i upgradE?
[02:38] <mattfly> i was willing to upgrade to the lts
[02:38] <mattfly> then stay there
[02:39] <mattfly> but apt kinda worked fine now
[02:44] <housecat> "apt is extremely slow" sounds like a mirror issue, try a different one
[02:44] <housecat> and yes, just do apt update and apt upgrade as normal to go from beta to RC
[02:47] <valorie> LTS won't be declared until this summer
[02:47] <valorie> when teh .1 is released
[02:47] <valorie> you can upgrade of course
[02:48] <valorie> but then it is really no longer a test
[02:48] <housecat> it's LTS at release, .1 is when upgrades from older LTSes are enabled
[02:48] <valorie> housecat: true
[02:49] <valorie> I guess not everyone here is testing as in 'reporting results on the qa tracker'
[02:50] <housecat> speaking of which, any idea why http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/412/builds is missing most products?
[02:50] <housecat> did they just happen to do netboot and mate now and the rest are next week?
[02:51] <valorie> I'm guessing it's being built now
[02:51] <housecat> ah
[02:52] <housecat> been like that for hours, i guess i should just be patient
[02:52] <valorie> I guess the place to ask would be in -release
[02:52] <valorie> if there is anyone about
[02:52] <housecat> it's sunday nighttime, i'll just leave it
[02:53] <housecat> will probably be fixed monday anyway
[02:53]  * housecat grabs the ubuntu mate iso and does that while she's waiting
[02:56] <sufy> hi i have an issue with realtek 8192ce rtl8192ce on ubuntu 20.04, seems to be an issue on a modified debian distro called avlinux aswell
[02:56] <sufy> keeps disconnecting, seemed to work okay on debian stable and arch linux though
[03:21] <lotuspsychje> sufy: did you update system to latest?
[03:21] <lotuspsychje> we saw realtek bugs passby on 5.4 -24 yesterday
[03:21] <lotuspsychje> now we have -25
[03:30] <AlexMax> My default sound card/output device isn't being paid any attention to
[03:31] <AlexMax> I tried setting it in the pulse default config and even on restart the defaults are both my microphone's sound in and out
[03:34] <AlexMax> Wait a minute, it's working in my standard user account, but not my alternative
[04:02] <AlexMax> Finally fixed it, no idea how or why
[05:02] <Haxxa> Can we postpone the Ubuntu launch until the 27th April, busy on the 24th. Thanks
[05:29] <valorie> lol
[06:14] <LuckyMan> is steam supported in 20.04?
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> !info steam | LuckyMan yes
[06:15] <LuckyMan> I can't run it
[06:16] <LuckyMan> I've got an error message, is it my mx230 ?
[06:17] <LuckyMan> also, when my computer goes to suspension (I close the lid) it doesn't come back sometimes (it makes noise but all is black)
[06:19] <lotuspsychje> LuckyMan: is your graphics card driver loaded?
[06:20] <LuckyMan> I've got an acer A315-55G-KL
[06:21] <lotuspsychje> LuckyMan: pastebin please: sudo lshw -C video && uname -a
[06:22] <LuckyMan> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pWkSH3WTtH/
[06:23] <LuckyMan> lotuspsychje, ^^
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> LuckyMan: ok so your card is probably an optimus right?
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> LuckyMan: did you check nvidia-settings if your card is set to performance mode (nvidia) ?
[06:25] <LuckyMan> lotuspsychje, idk... what's an optimus?
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> LuckyMan: its a hybrid card, combined graphics like intel-nvidia
[06:26] <LuckyMan> lotuspsychje, its set to choose whatever is neeeded
[06:26] <LuckyMan> should I choose only nvidia?
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> try nvidia only, and try again launching steam, from terminal this time
[06:29] <LuckyMan> how do I install steam (the propper way)?
[06:29] <LuckyMan> sudo apt install steam?
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> LuckyMan: you just said you had an error? where was that?
[06:30] <LuckyMan> i removed steam
[06:30] <LuckyMan> it was when I runned it
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> you installed it last time right, you know how
[06:32] <LuckyMan> SteamUpdateUI: An X Error occurred
[06:32] <LuckyMan> X Error of failed request:  GLXBadContext
[06:32] <LuckyMan> SteamUpdateUI: An X Error occurred
[06:32] <LuckyMan> X Error of failed request:  BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)
[06:32] <LuckyMan> Major opcode of failed request:  152 (GLX)
[06:32] <LuckyMan> Minor opcode of failed request:  3 (X_GLXCreateContext)
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> use a pastebin LuckyMan 
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> brb coffee..
[06:36] <LuckyMan> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Whp7RpBZKG/
[06:53] <LuckyMan> lotuspsychje, are you back?
[06:53] <LuckyMan> I did a purge and then re-installed steam, same error
[07:02] <lotuspsychje> LuckyMan: pastebin: nvidia-smi please
[07:04] <LuckyMan> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DY8ff2m3pG/
[07:05] <lotuspsychje> LuckyMan: lets try a driver switch, open software&updates tab additional drivers and choose 1 version lower driver, perhaps 435?
[07:07] <LuckyMan> lotuspsychje, same error
[07:07] <lotuspsychje> LuckyMan: did you reboot after switch?
[07:07] <LuckyMan> nope
[07:07] <LuckyMan> I will
[07:07] <lotuspsychje> always reboot after drivers switch
[07:16] <LuckyMan> lotuspsychje, steam now works :-D Thank you!
[07:16] <lotuspsychje> welcome LuckyMan 
[07:17] <lotuspsychje> LuckyMan: you have now 435 driver, if you feel its lacking performance, you could still try 440 again
[07:17] <LuckyMan> ok
[07:17] <LuckyMan> I'm not much of a player, I only play Team Fortress
[07:18] <lotuspsychje> allrighty, 435 will surely work too
[07:19] <LuckyMan> :-)
[07:43] <sufy> does anybody find ubuntu frustrating if things related to your computer don't work so well on it
[07:43] <sufy> i felt like i should use debian instead it seemed to handle my computer ebtter
[07:44] <sufy> i am getting tired of time wasting with my operating system rather than spending on work
[07:44] <lotuspsychje> sufy: elaborate please?
[07:45] <sufy> i tried out the beta and my wifi card wouldn't function properly for me
[07:45] <sufy> kept turning itself off
[07:45] <sufy> i think i spent a whole night troubleshooting it
[07:45] <lotuspsychje> sufy: did you try my previous suggestion?
[07:46] <sufy> lotuspsychje no i haven't seen, was it something about non-free or contrib, i did try those yes
[07:46] <sufy> they didn't resolve it
[07:46] <lotuspsychje> no, it was about kernel version
[07:46] <sufy> on the ubuntu beta i used the default kernel version that it came shipped with
[07:46] <sufy> but i also experimented with some other non ubuntu things but not worht mentioning them
[07:47] <lotuspsychje> sufy: after you install ubuntu, you need to update your system
[07:47] <sufy> lotuspsychje sorry i just read your comment
[07:47] <sufy> you are saying you passed an update that resolved it?
[07:48] <sufy> that honestly gives me alot of confidence to reinstall
[07:48] <sufy> thankyou
[07:49] <sufy> lotuspsychje in the last few days before release how much work is being done to tune the small issues like that for specific issues
[07:50] <lotuspsychje> sufy: there is no magic red button for bugs, when they arise, the devs and community do their best to fix them
[07:50] <lotuspsychje> hence why you need to keep your system up to date
[07:51] <sufy> lotuspsychje: yes, thankyou for letting me know
[07:52] <lotuspsychje> sufy: during install, you can also toggle 'update system during setup', check if you notice that option ok
[11:10] <luna_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hg77Rp-ykHE
[11:10] <luna_> also got a 5.4.25 kernel today
[11:51] <TJ-> Weird issue; with dual monitors with external positioned to left of laptop primary, when enabling the external display both displays immediately become 'block-stepped' - looks like there are about 6 horizontal rows with each succeeding row shifted to the right. This was working fine but now affects all log-ins. Thought it might be the -25 kernel but tried -21 and it still happens
[12:03] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: havent seen much bugs passby yet on dual monitors yet, might be worth a new bug?
[12:04] <lotuspsychje> seen a few scaling bugs
[12:07] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: wich graphics?
[12:09] <ttamm> Every time I click a url in vscode, firefox instantly crashes and it seems to open inside the vscode's snap environment somehow (when I click restart firefox in the firefox has crashed window, it doesn't restart my actual firefox browser launched normally)
[12:11] <Ussat> So, I have a question regarding snaps in 20.04. Is it possible to totally rip them out. The thought of snaps being auto updated and restarted outside of my normal scheduled maintenance period is pretty unacceptable here
[12:11] <Ussat> I know in 18.04 I rip them out.
[12:12] <lotuspsychje> its possible Ussat but some snaps are default now, so you will need alternatives for it
[12:12] <Ussat> fuck
[12:13] <lotuspsychje> like the snap-store will be default
[12:13] <Ussat> The idea that things will update on its own...outside of my maintenance time is nuts. How can people think this is acceptable
[12:13] <oerheks> and there are tweaks, manually, to stop updating, or schedule
[12:13] <Ussat> If I could schedule them ONLY douring patch times, that would be fine
[12:14] <Ussat> oerheks, not from what I have read, you can delay, but there is no way to 100% to only have them happen in a set maint window
[12:14] <oerheks> https://snapcraft.io/docs/keeping-snaps-up-to-date
[12:16] <Ussat> oerheks, thats not what I mean, I want snap updates to ONLY happen when I update for patches.
[12:16] <oerheks> or bad; stop updating https://linuxconfig.org/disable-automatic-updates-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux
[12:17] <oerheks> no, i have no info hoto update snaps when you hit the update button, or something like that :-(
[12:17] <Ussat> I dont use automatic updates
[12:17] <oerheks> would be a nice idea though
[12:17] <Ussat> I have scheduled maintenance windows to update
[12:17] <Ussat> I cant have things doing whatever when they want
[12:18] <Ussat> Thats nuts, I cant believe anyone thought this was a good idea
[12:19] <Ussat> Looks like I will need to find an alternative to Ubuntu then if thats the case goimng forward
[12:19] <Ussat> I mean I dont care about that for my personal VM, but for production in my data center, that just nuts that people think thats ok
[12:21] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: AMD Vega 
[12:22] <TJ-> Ussat: are you using snaps at all (lxd maybe? )
[12:22] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: with block stepped you mean disforming?
[12:24] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: no, literally like someone split the screen into 6 rows and then pushed each row over to the right so it ends up loking like a stair
[12:24] <Ussat> TJ-, right now I dont have 20.04 installed anywhere except a test VM. My question was origionally, can I just rip snaps out all together
[12:24] <lotuspsychje> wow
[12:24] <howarth> Has anyone here using the nvidia drivers tried booting into single user or rescue mode? On the nvidia-340 drivers at least, I never get past the loading of the kernel image.
[12:25] <TJ-> we've 2 identical laptops and both were fine until one lost power; now it does this stepping. I've verified all system files are intact, tried the -21 kernel, it affects all users, and as we play with it we're finding it only seems to happen when the left Y coordinate of the two displays isn't the same
[12:25] <Ussat> TJ-, If snaps updated when I did my patching and ONLY then I would have no issue
[12:26] <Ussat> but I can not believe that admins are ok with systems updating and restarting things on their own, outside of the admins controll.
[12:26] <TJ-> Ussat: is this for workstations or server ?
[12:26] <Ussat> Server
[12:26] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: an idea might be comparing this in wayland
[12:26] <TJ-> Ussat: so is there anything 'snap' that they rely on? if not, rmeove snapd
[12:26] <Ussat> TJ-, I do in 18.04, but was told in 20.04 I cant, which was my origional question
[12:27] <TJ-> Ussat: did anyone tell you why you cannot?
 its possible Ussat but some snaps are default now, so you will need alternatives for it
[12:27] <Ussat> Yes ^^
 like the snap-store will be default
[12:27] <Ussat> ^^
[12:28] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: not going near Wayland ... these are Xubuntu XFCE4
[12:28] <lotuspsychje> i did not say you cannot Ussat 
[12:28] <TJ-> Ussat: if you're only using apt then snap store isn't an issue
[12:29] <Ussat> So I CAN do a sudo apt-get -y  autoremove --purge snapd
[12:31] <Ussat> or can I not, thats all I am asking
[12:42] <TJ-> Ussat: none of us here have tried it, you can be the first
[12:42] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: only GPU related clue I can find when monitor is connected (in kernel log) is "[drm] SADs count is: -2, don't need to read it)
[12:45] <Ussat> TJ-, yup, I plan to start testing that later this am
[12:48] <Ussat> I will let people know how works out if they are interested/care
[12:59] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: slight clue I believe. from an SSH session, 'xrandr' is not showing the HDMI-A-0 output connected DESPITE the GUI display manager positioning the external to the left and the stepping happening. 
[13:02] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: yes, on the 'good' laptop xrandr shows both
[13:02] <lotuspsychje> hmm i wonder of that drm warning is amdgpu related TJ- 
[13:04] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: the kernel message happens on the GOOD laptop as well so discounting that
[13:04] <lotuspsychje> oh ok
[13:05] <TJ-> depsite 'dpkg --verify' not showing anything my gut feeling is file-system corruption of some ancillary file(s) --- possibly under /var/ or /etc/
[13:13] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: can you see if bug #1866616 is related
[13:15] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: theory: Earlier, whilst I was showing Cal how to munge/hack an old printer-driver .deb 's Depends: to install on 20.04 he ran an 'apt install -f' which pulled in some packages. I'm wondering if there's some temporary inconsistency between libraries
[13:17] <lotuspsychje> dont suspect so 
[13:17] <lotuspsychje> my bet would be amdgpu or kernel 5.4 related
[13:27] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: Earlier I saw in a log file I cannot now find, but possibly .xsession-errors, a mention of an iccm problem (the colour manager) and when the above-mentioned 'apt install -f' ran libxcb-iccm4 was upgraded along with some other core libxcb* packages
[13:28] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: did you try a reboot with the dualscreen setup?
[13:28] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: several times!
[13:28] <lotuspsychje> ok that makes it weird indeed
[13:28] <TJ-> we've just done another apt upgrade and are doing a reboot
[13:33] <TJ-> Still happening but *only* when ext display is left or right of eDP - above or below is fine
[13:33] <AlexMax> My cursor is getting stuck when changing the xrandr scale.  If I scale everything bigger, a "ghost" mouse cursor appears and never goes away unless I scale down and then up again - at which point a new curosr shows up.  The only way to make it not appear is to make the cursor disappear, like by typing in stuff at the terminal.
[13:33] <AlexMax> rather, make the cursor disappear just before I run the xrandr command
[13:34] <TJ-> it looks like the display driver is thinking the framebuffer is wider than it really is so it 'wraps' in the buffer
[13:37] <mike-hs> Hi. I was using beta for few days, new install. Today I had to reinstall because I trashed the os with some vfio fidling. Now installer crashes everytime almost at the end
[13:37] <mike-hs> Is there a bug tracking this? Installer crashing during install?
[13:38] <mike-hs> I tried different usb thumbs and even updating from livecd - nothing
[13:38] <mike-hs> same iso booted and installed few times with no problem few days ago
[14:06] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: this looks similar but I think the mention of xpresent is a misnomer; Ubuntu has upgraded some of the libx packages from 4.4 to 4.5
[14:06] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-amdgpu/-/issues/10
[14:07] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: wow the 'stairs' lol
[14:11] <TJ-> :)
[14:14] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: makes me think of the famous amd + ubuntu disforms during the years
[14:15] <TJ-> hmmm, but why on 1 and not on the other identical laptops?
[14:15] <TJ-> it can't just e due to the power-loss... there are package version differences because I've not allowed upgrades on mine and there are 314 pending, including libxcomposite 
[14:18] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: were they both installed at same time?
[14:19] <iconoclasthero> if GNOME Tweaks isn't working in 20.04, i.e., it is not spanning desktop wallpaper (and consequently breaking the function of Hydrapaper), is that an ubuntu 20.04 bug a gnome bug, a tweaks bug?
[14:35] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: both laptops? yes, both 20.04 but upgrading at different times
[14:36] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: interesting bug
[14:45] <TJ-> upgrading all the packages on mine now... see if I can replicate the bug with the upgrades in place
[14:45] <TJ-> waste of an afternoon!
[14:46] <TJ-> going to reboot :)
[15:01] <iconoclasthero> is there some way to get wallpaper to span in 20.04?
[15:15] <longstride> lotuspsychje, do you recall I was in here some time ago with an issue of my screens going black after logging in to 20.04?
[15:15] <lotuspsychje> longstride: not sure, what was that about again?
[15:18] <longstride> I had run the apt-get upgrade command, and from then on, for some unknown reason, I would get to the login screen, put in my password, and my monitors went blank, straight into powersaver mode
[15:23] <longstride> ngaio had been trying to give me some assistance but nothing was working.  I was able to press ctrl+f1 to get my login screen back, and then ctrl+f3 to get to a console.  So, periodically from then on, I would boot up 20.04, get to the login screen, hit ctrl+f3 and run the upgrade command again.
[15:26] <longstride> I hadn't done this in a few days, so yesterday I figured I'd give it another go.  Booted up to the login screen, pulled up the console, and ran the upgrade command.  Lots of package updates.  And this time, when I rebooted, I was able to get to the desktop!
[15:32] <longstride> It was a good day!  Even with the bugs, I loved using 20.04
[15:49] <TJ-> reported as Bug #1873895
[17:14] <howarth> Did a few more test installs with current 18.04 and updates. The nvidia-340 drivers on a GTX680 allow both single user and rescue boots to work. However I am still seeing that neither work under the nvidia-340 drivers with 20.04. Also, I am finding that the rescue boot doesn't produce the expected rescue boot option selector under either nouveau or nvidia-340.
[18:59] <howarth> Has anyone gotten the rescue boot to work under nouveau drivers in 20.04?
[19:00] <howarth> I can boot into the rescue kernel under current 18.04 but nothing ever appears for 20.04 on a GTX680
[19:00] <howarth> If that is broken, I am really shocked that it hasn't been reported
[19:06] <howarth> Not even sure exactly what package that issue would fall under
[19:06] <howarth> I don't see any reports at all for focal on busybox
[19:56] <stiltrumpelskin> hello i wonder how to make .desktop files execute whats in them when you double click on the desktop
[19:56] <stiltrumpelskin> right now it opens the file in text editor
[20:13] <stiltrumpelskin> how do people use these chat rooms? i see many people in the room but very little discussion here. am i missing something?
[20:14] <Bashing-om> stiltrumpelskin: Upcomming release discussions/release conversations here - Baited breath currently.
[20:22] <tomreyn> stiltrumpelskin: 'You should right click on the .desktop file and select “Allow Launching”' according to https://itsfoss.com/ubuntu-desktop-shortcut/
[20:23] <tomreyn> also https://linuxhint.com/add_shortcuts_ubuntu_desktop/
[20:23] <tomreyn> neither of these are official documentations, but on a glance i found no bad advice.
[20:24] <stiltrumpelskin> doing that changed something
[20:24] <stiltrumpelskin> but it does not appear to work right now
[20:24] <stiltrumpelskin> i will check the .desktop file 
[20:25] <stiltrumpelskin> tomreyn: thanks for your suggestion
[20:26] <tomreyn> you're welcome. :)
[21:14] <TJ-> ping?
[21:14] <luna_> pong
[21:14] <TJ-> thanks! not had any messages for an hour; thought it had dropped offline
[21:15] <luna_> TJ-: ah okay
[21:15] <TJ-> managed to pin down a most obscure bug #1873895
[22:37] <howarth> Has anyone recently tried to boot 20.04 into recovery mode from grub?
[22:37] <howarth> I filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta/+bug/1873965
[22:38] <howarth> If anyone else can reproduce that please append to the report
[23:00]  * genii installs Mojave on howarth's 3,1 instead
[23:02] <howarth> the other drive is actually running patched Catalina
[23:03] <howarth> Actually the only two real issues that I have found in 20.04 are the generic breakage of the recovery mode from grub and the broken single user boot under nvidia-340
[23:04] <genii> howarth: Clean 20.04 on my HP 10th-gen i5 boots to recovery without issue. I do have an Early 2008 3,1 here, but it doesn't have Linux currently installed, just Mojave
[23:04] <howarth> Unfortunately, I can't fully test nvidia-440 because nvidia-modeset is broken on Mac ROMed GTX680
[23:04] <howarth> If you have a spare usb external, give it a try
[23:04] <genii> ( th 3,1 here has NVidia 8800GT also )
[23:05] <genii> I can test the Mac Pro tomorrow, but not tonight
[23:05] <howarth> It actually runs quite nicely in general
[23:06] <genii> howarth: Just curious if you also have the APFS ROM patch installed
[23:07] <howarth> Yes, APFS ROM patched
[23:08] <howarth> The only oddity there is that for macOS, it gives you two devices in the option boot selector (one EFI Boot device and the actual volume name device)
[23:08] <genii> I can't remember if the 3,1 uses 32 or 64 bit EFI
[23:09] <howarth> 64 bit EFI
[23:09] <howarth> I have Windows 10 on a third drive
[23:10] <genii> Mine currently has some PRAM or similar issue where it needs some motherboard buttons pushed if it's powered off for a while, it's a pain
[23:10] <howarth> I upgraded to machine's wifi to a bcm94360cd and installed an overclocked EVGA GTX680 which I then flashed to Mac ROMs
[23:10] <howarth> Do you have Mac ROMs in the video card?
[23:11] <genii> howarth: Yep, PC 8800GT flashed to Mac
[23:11] <howarth> You need to change the lithium battery on the motherboard
[23:11] <genii> I did put a new 2032 already
[23:11] <howarth> odd
[23:11] <genii> ..but maybe there's another barrel one someplace
[23:12] <howarth> The only weirdness I ran into was in my effort to upgrade to ac wifi, I originally tried a BCM94360CS2 with a generic adapter card
[23:12] <howarth> That caused motherboard boot failures (red leds)
[23:13] <howarth> Switched to the bcm94360cd with a better quality adapter card and it has been flawless
[23:13] <howarth> Airdrop and Handoff out of the box under patched Catalina
[23:14] <howarth> The only thing that doesn't work is the TV app remote playback
[23:14] <howarth> which I suspect is unsupported SSE4,2 instructions somewhere
[23:16] <howarth> It would be interesting to know if the PC ROM'd GTX680 eliminated the nvidia-modeselect failures but I don't want to tempt fate by reflashing the card to test that
[23:16] <howarth> I filed that with nvidia a few years ago but that is super niche to them
[23:33] <mattfly> any idea why the auto hiding doc doesnt show up when controling ubuntu with symergy?
[23:45] <mattfly> also gnome is taking so much ram
[23:45] <mattfly> well idk, i installed the beta iso and ran upgrade, should i do something else to be in the RC?