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howarthHas anyone using the nvidia drivers actually been able to get single user or rescue mode to work?00:31
mattflyim testing 20.04 beta and using apt is extremely slow01:46
mattflyany idea why? even snap is faster01:46
lotuspsychjegood morning01:51
valoriemattfly: test the RC instead02:37
valoriebeta is old now02:38
mattflycant i upgradE?02:38
mattflyi was willing to upgrade to the lts02:38
mattflythen stay there02:38
mattflybut apt kinda worked fine now02:39
housecat"apt is extremely slow" sounds like a mirror issue, try a different one02:44
housecatand yes, just do apt update and apt upgrade as normal to go from beta to RC02:44
valorieLTS won't be declared until this summer02:47
valoriewhen teh .1 is released02:47
valorieyou can upgrade of course02:47
valoriebut then it is really no longer a test02:48
housecatit's LTS at release, .1 is when upgrades from older LTSes are enabled02:48
valoriehousecat: true02:48
valorieI guess not everyone here is testing as in 'reporting results on the qa tracker'02:49
housecatspeaking of which, any idea why http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/412/builds is missing most products?02:50
housecatdid they just happen to do netboot and mate now and the rest are next week?02:50
valorieI'm guessing it's being built now02:51
housecatah02:51
housecatbeen like that for hours, i guess i should just be patient02:52
valorieI guess the place to ask would be in -release02:52
valorieif there is anyone about02:52
housecatit's sunday nighttime, i'll just leave it02:52
housecatwill probably be fixed monday anyway02:53
* housecat grabs the ubuntu mate iso and does that while she's waiting02:53
sufyhi i have an issue with realtek 8192ce rtl8192ce on ubuntu 20.04, seems to be an issue on a modified debian distro called avlinux aswell02:56
sufykeeps disconnecting, seemed to work okay on debian stable and arch linux though02:56
lotuspsychjesufy: did you update system to latest?03:21
lotuspsychjewe saw realtek bugs passby on 5.4 -24 yesterday03:21
lotuspsychjenow we have -2503:21
AlexMaxMy default sound card/output device isn't being paid any attention to03:30
AlexMaxI tried setting it in the pulse default config and even on restart the defaults are both my microphone's sound in and out03:31
AlexMaxWait a minute, it's working in my standard user account, but not my alternative03:34
AlexMaxFinally fixed it, no idea how or why04:02
HaxxaCan we postpone the Ubuntu launch until the 27th April, busy on the 24th. Thanks05:02
valorielol05:29
LuckyManis steam supported in 20.04?06:14
lotuspsychje!info steam | LuckyMan yes06:14
ubottuLuckyMan yes: steam (source: steam): Valve's Steam digital software delivery system. In component multiverse, is extra. Version 1:1.0.0.61-2ubuntu3 (focal), package size 1416 kB, installed size 4398 kB06:14
LuckyManI can't run it06:15
LuckyManI've got an error message, is it my mx230 ?06:16
LuckyManalso, when my computer goes to suspension (I close the lid) it doesn't come back sometimes (it makes noise but all is black)06:17
lotuspsychjeLuckyMan: is your graphics card driver loaded?06:19
LuckyManI've got an acer A315-55G-KL06:20
lotuspsychjeLuckyMan: pastebin please: sudo lshw -C video && uname -a06:21
LuckyManhttps://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pWkSH3WTtH/06:22
LuckyManlotuspsychje, ^^06:23
lotuspsychjeLuckyMan: ok so your card is probably an optimus right?06:24
lotuspsychjeLuckyMan: did you check nvidia-settings if your card is set to performance mode (nvidia) ?06:25
LuckyManlotuspsychje, idk... what's an optimus?06:25
lotuspsychjeLuckyMan: its a hybrid card, combined graphics like intel-nvidia06:25
LuckyManlotuspsychje, its set to choose whatever is neeeded06:26
LuckyManshould I choose only nvidia?06:26
lotuspsychjetry nvidia only, and try again launching steam, from terminal this time06:26
LuckyManhow do I install steam (the propper way)?06:29
LuckyMansudo apt install steam?06:29
lotuspsychjeLuckyMan: you just said you had an error? where was that?06:29
LuckyMani removed steam06:30
LuckyManit was when I runned it06:30
lotuspsychjeyou installed it last time right, you know how06:31
LuckyManSteamUpdateUI: An X Error occurred06:32
LuckyManX Error of failed request:  GLXBadContext06:32
LuckyManSteamUpdateUI: An X Error occurred06:32
LuckyManX Error of failed request:  BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)06:32
LuckyManMajor opcode of failed request:  152 (GLX)06:32
LuckyManMinor opcode of failed request:  3 (X_GLXCreateContext)06:32
lotuspsychjeuse a pastebin LuckyMan 06:34
lotuspsychjebrb coffee..06:34
LuckyManhttps://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Whp7RpBZKG/06:36
LuckyManlotuspsychje, are you back?06:53
LuckyManI did a purge and then re-installed steam, same error06:53
lotuspsychjeLuckyMan: pastebin: nvidia-smi please07:02
LuckyManhttps://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DY8ff2m3pG/07:04
lotuspsychjeLuckyMan: lets try a driver switch, open software&updates tab additional drivers and choose 1 version lower driver, perhaps 435?07:05
LuckyManlotuspsychje, same error07:07
lotuspsychjeLuckyMan: did you reboot after switch?07:07
LuckyMannope07:07
LuckyManI will07:07
lotuspsychjealways reboot after drivers switch07:07
LuckyManlotuspsychje, steam now works :-D Thank you!07:16
lotuspsychjewelcome LuckyMan 07:16
lotuspsychjeLuckyMan: you have now 435 driver, if you feel its lacking performance, you could still try 440 again07:17
LuckyManok07:17
LuckyManI'm not much of a player, I only play Team Fortress07:17
lotuspsychjeallrighty, 435 will surely work too07:18
LuckyMan:-)07:19
sufydoes anybody find ubuntu frustrating if things related to your computer don't work so well on it07:43
sufyi felt like i should use debian instead it seemed to handle my computer ebtter07:43
sufyi am getting tired of time wasting with my operating system rather than spending on work07:44
lotuspsychjesufy: elaborate please?07:44
sufyi tried out the beta and my wifi card wouldn't function properly for me07:45
sufykept turning itself off07:45
sufyi think i spent a whole night troubleshooting it07:45
lotuspsychjesufy: did you try my previous suggestion?07:45
sufylotuspsychje no i haven't seen, was it something about non-free or contrib, i did try those yes07:46
sufythey didn't resolve it07:46
lotuspsychjeno, it was about kernel version07:46
sufyon the ubuntu beta i used the default kernel version that it came shipped with07:46
sufybut i also experimented with some other non ubuntu things but not worht mentioning them07:46
lotuspsychjesufy: after you install ubuntu, you need to update your system07:47
sufylotuspsychje sorry i just read your comment07:47
sufyyou are saying you passed an update that resolved it?07:47
sufythat honestly gives me alot of confidence to reinstall07:48
sufythankyou07:48
sufylotuspsychje in the last few days before release how much work is being done to tune the small issues like that for specific issues07:49
lotuspsychjesufy: there is no magic red button for bugs, when they arise, the devs and community do their best to fix them07:50
lotuspsychjehence why you need to keep your system up to date07:50
sufylotuspsychje: yes, thankyou for letting me know07:51
lotuspsychjesufy: during install, you can also toggle 'update system during setup', check if you notice that option ok07:52
luna_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hg77Rp-ykHE11:10
luna_also got a 5.4.25 kernel today11:10
TJ-Weird issue; with dual monitors with external positioned to left of laptop primary, when enabling the external display both displays immediately become 'block-stepped' - looks like there are about 6 horizontal rows with each succeeding row shifted to the right. This was working fine but now affects all log-ins. Thought it might be the -25 kernel but tried -21 and it still happens11:51
lotuspsychjeTJ-: havent seen much bugs passby yet on dual monitors yet, might be worth a new bug?12:03
lotuspsychjeseen a few scaling bugs12:04
lotuspsychjeTJ-: wich graphics?12:07
ttammEvery time I click a url in vscode, firefox instantly crashes and it seems to open inside the vscode's snap environment somehow (when I click restart firefox in the firefox has crashed window, it doesn't restart my actual firefox browser launched normally)12:09
UssatSo, I have a question regarding snaps in 20.04. Is it possible to totally rip them out. The thought of snaps being auto updated and restarted outside of my normal scheduled maintenance period is pretty unacceptable here12:11
UssatI know in 18.04 I rip them out.12:11
lotuspsychjeits possible Ussat but some snaps are default now, so you will need alternatives for it12:12
Ussatfuck12:12
lotuspsychjelike the snap-store will be default12:13
UssatThe idea that things will update on its own...outside of my maintenance time is nuts. How can people think this is acceptable12:13
oerheksand there are tweaks, manually, to stop updating, or schedule12:13
UssatIf I could schedule them ONLY douring patch times, that would be fine12:13
Ussatoerheks, not from what I have read, you can delay, but there is no way to 100% to only have them happen in a set maint window12:14
oerhekshttps://snapcraft.io/docs/keeping-snaps-up-to-date12:14
Ussatoerheks, thats not what I mean, I want snap updates to ONLY happen when I update for patches.12:16
oerheksor bad; stop updating https://linuxconfig.org/disable-automatic-updates-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux12:16
oerheksno, i have no info hoto update snaps when you hit the update button, or something like that :-(12:17
UssatI dont use automatic updates12:17
oerhekswould be a nice idea though12:17
UssatI have scheduled maintenance windows to update12:17
UssatI cant have things doing whatever when they want12:17
UssatThats nuts, I cant believe anyone thought this was a good idea12:18
UssatLooks like I will need to find an alternative to Ubuntu then if thats the case goimng forward12:19
UssatI mean I dont care about that for my personal VM, but for production in my data center, that just nuts that people think thats ok12:19
TJ-lotuspsychje: AMD Vega 12:21
TJ-Ussat: are you using snaps at all (lxd maybe? )12:22
lotuspsychjeTJ-: with block stepped you mean disforming?12:22
TJ-lotuspsychje: no, literally like someone split the screen into 6 rows and then pushed each row over to the right so it ends up loking like a stair12:24
UssatTJ-, right now I dont have 20.04 installed anywhere except a test VM. My question was origionally, can I just rip snaps out all together12:24
lotuspsychjewow12:24
howarthHas anyone here using the nvidia drivers tried booting into single user or rescue mode? On the nvidia-340 drivers at least, I never get past the loading of the kernel image.12:24
TJ-we've 2 identical laptops and both were fine until one lost power; now it does this stepping. I've verified all system files are intact, tried the -21 kernel, it affects all users, and as we play with it we're finding it only seems to happen when the left Y coordinate of the two displays isn't the same12:25
UssatTJ-, If snaps updated when I did my patching and ONLY then I would have no issue12:25
Ussatbut I can not believe that admins are ok with systems updating and restarting things on their own, outside of the admins controll.12:26
TJ-Ussat: is this for workstations or server ?12:26
UssatServer12:26
lotuspsychjeTJ-: an idea might be comparing this in wayland12:26
TJ-Ussat: so is there anything 'snap' that they rely on? if not, rmeove snapd12:26
UssatTJ-, I do in 18.04, but was told in 20.04 I cant, which was my origional question12:26
TJ-Ussat: did anyone tell you why you cannot?12:27
Ussat<lotuspsychje> its possible Ussat but some snaps are default now, so you will need alternatives for it12:27
UssatYes ^^12:27
Ussat<lotuspsychje> like the snap-store will be default12:27
Ussat^^12:27
TJ-lotuspsychje: not going near Wayland ... these are Xubuntu XFCE412:28
lotuspsychjei did not say you cannot Ussat 12:28
TJ-Ussat: if you're only using apt then snap store isn't an issue12:28
UssatSo I CAN do a sudo apt-get -y  autoremove --purge snapd12:29
Ussator can I not, thats all I am asking12:31
TJ-Ussat: none of us here have tried it, you can be the first12:42
TJ-lotuspsychje: only GPU related clue I can find when monitor is connected (in kernel log) is "[drm] SADs count is: -2, don't need to read it)12:42
UssatTJ-, yup, I plan to start testing that later this am12:45
UssatI will let people know how works out if they are interested/care12:48
TJ-lotuspsychje: slight clue I believe. from an SSH session, 'xrandr' is not showing the HDMI-A-0 output connected DESPITE the GUI display manager positioning the external to the left and the stepping happening. 12:59
TJ-lotuspsychje: yes, on the 'good' laptop xrandr shows both13:02
lotuspsychjehmm i wonder of that drm warning is amdgpu related TJ- 13:02
TJ-lotuspsychje: the kernel message happens on the GOOD laptop as well so discounting that13:04
lotuspsychjeoh ok13:04
TJ-depsite 'dpkg --verify' not showing anything my gut feeling is file-system corruption of some ancillary file(s) --- possibly under /var/ or /etc/13:05
lotuspsychjeTJ-: can you see if bug #1866616 is related13:13
ubottubug 1866616 in linux (Ubuntu) "[amdgpu] 2nd display stopped working" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186661613:13
TJ-lotuspsychje: theory: Earlier, whilst I was showing Cal how to munge/hack an old printer-driver .deb 's Depends: to install on 20.04 he ran an 'apt install -f' which pulled in some packages. I'm wondering if there's some temporary inconsistency between libraries13:15
lotuspsychjedont suspect so 13:17
lotuspsychjemy bet would be amdgpu or kernel 5.4 related13:17
TJ-lotuspsychje: Earlier I saw in a log file I cannot now find, but possibly .xsession-errors, a mention of an iccm problem (the colour manager) and when the above-mentioned 'apt install -f' ran libxcb-iccm4 was upgraded along with some other core libxcb* packages13:27
lotuspsychjeTJ-: did you try a reboot with the dualscreen setup?13:28
TJ-lotuspsychje: several times!13:28
lotuspsychjeok that makes it weird indeed13:28
TJ-we've just done another apt upgrade and are doing a reboot13:28
TJ-Still happening but *only* when ext display is left or right of eDP - above or below is fine13:33
AlexMaxMy cursor is getting stuck when changing the xrandr scale.  If I scale everything bigger, a "ghost" mouse cursor appears and never goes away unless I scale down and then up again - at which point a new curosr shows up.  The only way to make it not appear is to make the cursor disappear, like by typing in stuff at the terminal.13:33
AlexMaxrather, make the cursor disappear just before I run the xrandr command13:33
TJ-it looks like the display driver is thinking the framebuffer is wider than it really is so it 'wraps' in the buffer13:34
mike-hsHi. I was using beta for few days, new install. Today I had to reinstall because I trashed the os with some vfio fidling. Now installer crashes everytime almost at the end13:37
mike-hsIs there a bug tracking this? Installer crashing during install?13:37
mike-hsI tried different usb thumbs and even updating from livecd - nothing13:38
mike-hssame iso booted and installed few times with no problem few days ago13:38
TJ-lotuspsychje: this looks similar but I think the mention of xpresent is a misnomer; Ubuntu has upgraded some of the libx packages from 4.4 to 4.514:06
TJ-lotuspsychje: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-amdgpu/-/issues/1014:06
lotuspsychjeTJ-: wow the 'stairs' lol14:07
TJ-:)14:11
lotuspsychjeTJ-: makes me think of the famous amd + ubuntu disforms during the years14:14
TJ-hmmm, but why on 1 and not on the other identical laptops?14:15
TJ-it can't just e due to the power-loss... there are package version differences because I've not allowed upgrades on mine and there are 314 pending, including libxcomposite 14:15
lotuspsychjeTJ-: were they both installed at same time?14:18
iconoclastheroif GNOME Tweaks isn't working in 20.04, i.e., it is not spanning desktop wallpaper (and consequently breaking the function of Hydrapaper), is that an ubuntu 20.04 bug a gnome bug, a tweaks bug?14:19
TJ-lotuspsychje: both laptops? yes, both 20.04 but upgrading at different times14:35
lotuspsychjeTJ-: interesting bug14:36
TJ-upgrading all the packages on mine now... see if I can replicate the bug with the upgrades in place14:45
TJ-waste of an afternoon!14:45
TJ-going to reboot :)14:46
iconoclastherois there some way to get wallpaper to span in 20.04?15:01
longstridelotuspsychje, do you recall I was in here some time ago with an issue of my screens going black after logging in to 20.04?15:15
lotuspsychjelongstride: not sure, what was that about again?15:15
longstrideI had run the apt-get upgrade command, and from then on, for some unknown reason, I would get to the login screen, put in my password, and my monitors went blank, straight into powersaver mode15:18
longstridengaio had been trying to give me some assistance but nothing was working.  I was able to press ctrl+f1 to get my login screen back, and then ctrl+f3 to get to a console.  So, periodically from then on, I would boot up 20.04, get to the login screen, hit ctrl+f3 and run the upgrade command again.15:23
longstrideI hadn't done this in a few days, so yesterday I figured I'd give it another go.  Booted up to the login screen, pulled up the console, and ran the upgrade command.  Lots of package updates.  And this time, when I rebooted, I was able to get to the desktop!15:26
longstrideIt was a good day!  Even with the bugs, I loved using 20.0415:32
TJ-reported as Bug #187389515:49
ubottubug 1873895 in libxcb (Ubuntu) "Regression: block staircase display with side-by-side monitors" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187389515:49
howarthDid a few more test installs with current 18.04 and updates. The nvidia-340 drivers on a GTX680 allow both single user and rescue boots to work. However I am still seeing that neither work under the nvidia-340 drivers with 20.04. Also, I am finding that the rescue boot doesn't produce the expected rescue boot option selector under either nouveau or nvidia-340.17:14
howarthHas anyone gotten the rescue boot to work under nouveau drivers in 20.04?18:59
howarthI can boot into the rescue kernel under current 18.04 but nothing ever appears for 20.04 on a GTX68019:00
howarthIf that is broken, I am really shocked that it hasn't been reported19:00
howarthNot even sure exactly what package that issue would fall under19:06
howarthI don't see any reports at all for focal on busybox19:06
stiltrumpelskinhello i wonder how to make .desktop files execute whats in them when you double click on the desktop19:56
stiltrumpelskinright now it opens the file in text editor19:56
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stiltrumpelskinhow do people use these chat rooms? i see many people in the room but very little discussion here. am i missing something?20:13
Bashing-omstiltrumpelskin: Upcomming release discussions/release conversations here - Baited breath currently.20:14
tomreynstiltrumpelskin: 'You should right click on the .desktop file and select “Allow Launching”' according to https://itsfoss.com/ubuntu-desktop-shortcut/20:22
tomreynalso https://linuxhint.com/add_shortcuts_ubuntu_desktop/20:23
tomreynneither of these are official documentations, but on a glance i found no bad advice.20:23
stiltrumpelskindoing that changed something20:24
stiltrumpelskinbut it does not appear to work right now20:24
stiltrumpelskini will check the .desktop file 20:24
stiltrumpelskintomreyn: thanks for your suggestion20:25
tomreynyou're welcome. :)20:26
TJ-ping?21:14
luna_pong21:14
TJ-thanks! not had any messages for an hour; thought it had dropped offline21:14
luna_TJ-: ah okay21:15
TJ-managed to pin down a most obscure bug #187389521:15
ubottubug 1873895 in xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu (Ubuntu) "Regression: block staircase display with side-by-side monitors of different pixel widths" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187389521:15
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howarthHas anyone recently tried to boot 20.04 into recovery mode from grub?22:37
howarthI filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta/+bug/187396522:37
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1873965 in linux-meta (Ubuntu) "booting into recovery mode hangs under 20.04" [Undecided,New]22:37
howarthIf anyone else can reproduce that please append to the report22:38
* genii installs Mojave on howarth's 3,1 instead23:00
howarththe other drive is actually running patched Catalina23:02
howarthActually the only two real issues that I have found in 20.04 are the generic breakage of the recovery mode from grub and the broken single user boot under nvidia-34023:03
geniihowarth: Clean 20.04 on my HP 10th-gen i5 boots to recovery without issue. I do have an Early 2008 3,1 here, but it doesn't have Linux currently installed, just Mojave23:04
howarthUnfortunately, I can't fully test nvidia-440 because nvidia-modeset is broken on Mac ROMed GTX68023:04
howarthIf you have a spare usb external, give it a try23:04
genii( th 3,1 here has NVidia 8800GT also )23:04
geniiI can test the Mac Pro tomorrow, but not tonight23:05
howarthIt actually runs quite nicely in general23:05
geniihowarth: Just curious if you also have the APFS ROM patch installed23:06
howarthYes, APFS ROM patched23:07
howarthThe only oddity there is that for macOS, it gives you two devices in the option boot selector (one EFI Boot device and the actual volume name device)23:08
geniiI can't remember if the 3,1 uses 32 or 64 bit EFI23:08
howarth64 bit EFI23:09
howarthI have Windows 10 on a third drive23:09
geniiMine currently has some PRAM or similar issue where it needs some motherboard buttons pushed if it's powered off for a while, it's a pain23:10
howarthI upgraded to machine's wifi to a bcm94360cd and installed an overclocked EVGA GTX680 which I then flashed to Mac ROMs23:10
howarthDo you have Mac ROMs in the video card?23:10
geniihowarth: Yep, PC 8800GT flashed to Mac23:11
howarthYou need to change the lithium battery on the motherboard23:11
geniiI did put a new 2032 already23:11
howarthodd23:11
genii..but maybe there's another barrel one someplace23:11
howarthThe only weirdness I ran into was in my effort to upgrade to ac wifi, I originally tried a BCM94360CS2 with a generic adapter card23:12
howarthThat caused motherboard boot failures (red leds)23:12
howarthSwitched to the bcm94360cd with a better quality adapter card and it has been flawless23:13
howarthAirdrop and Handoff out of the box under patched Catalina23:13
howarthThe only thing that doesn't work is the TV app remote playback23:14
howarthwhich I suspect is unsupported SSE4,2 instructions somewhere23:14
howarthIt would be interesting to know if the PC ROM'd GTX680 eliminated the nvidia-modeselect failures but I don't want to tempt fate by reflashing the card to test that23:16
howarthI filed that with nvidia a few years ago but that is super niche to them23:16
mattflyany idea why the auto hiding doc doesnt show up when controling ubuntu with symergy?23:33
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mattflyalso gnome is taking so much ram23:45
mattflywell idk, i installed the beta iso and ran upgrade, should i do something else to be in the RC?23:45

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