[00:43] Good morning [05:49] morning all [05:52] Morning jibel [05:52] biab [05:53] Hi duflu [06:37] good morning [06:38] goood morning desktopers! [06:40] good morning seb128 [06:40] lut didrocks, en forme ? passé un bon w.e ? [06:41] Morning didrocks and seb128 [06:42] hey duflu, how are you? had a good w.e? [06:42] seb128, the rest was excellent but exciting weekends don't tend to happen at the moment. You? [06:43] good morning desktoppers, happy Monday! [06:43] lut oSoMoN, happy monday! had a good w.e? [06:44] duflu, nothing really exciting here either but it relaxing at least [06:44] seb128, salut! a good week-end indeed, and you? [06:44] Hi oSoMoN [06:44] hey duflu [06:44] oSoMoN, it was alright :) [06:45] too much eating & drinking for the level of movement/sport though :-/ [06:46] There's a simple solution to that :) [06:49] seb128: ça va, rien d’exceptionnel, et vous ? [06:49] hey duflu [06:49] salut oSoMoN [06:49] salut didrocks [06:49] morning jibel duflu didrocks seb128 oSoMoN [06:50] hey hey marcustomlinson [06:50] 2 day weekends are lame [06:52] didrocks, un peu pareil, on ne sort pas trop donc les jours se ressemblent [06:52] hey marcustomlinson [06:52] lol [06:53] marcustomlinson, I totally agree [06:56] wow my daughter caught my mouse, clicked once on the launcher and dragged, and BOOM, launcher broken! [06:56] segfault? stucked in dnd? [06:56] Morning marcustomlinson [06:56] (only the one icon she dragged actually, the other ones are responsive) [06:56] :( [06:56] so it looks like partially stuck in DnD [06:56] look in the journal for an error I guess [06:56] yeah, will do that when she lets me :) [06:57] and maybe try hitting 'esc' on the keyboard [06:57] tracker-extract is spamming the journal [06:58] its amazes me how kids manage to do this [06:58] I think that means our software is very fragile… [06:58] not kid-proof [06:58] maybe, my son has managed to do some super weird things to my iphone [07:00] things I could almost never reproduce :P [07:02] I'd rather believe your daughter is a genius than admit this may be a bug ;) [07:19] Hmm, multimonitor performance doesn't seem very good. Can't remember if that's better or worse than before. I will need to make more time for that this year [07:22] seb128, nothing in the journal, and the broken launcher icon appears to have fixed itself after my screen locked and I unlocked it [07:24] in other news, a friend of mine upgraded from 19.04 to 19.10 then 20.04 over the week-end, and he is very pleased with the performance improvements in gnome-shell and friends [07:27] I'm also a bit frustrated at how much slower the Ubuntu extensions make everything. Will need to find out why that is [07:31] seb128, is this meant to be "immutable" already? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseNotes [07:32] or ever? [07:53] oSoMoN, nice to read, kudos to duflu for that :) [07:56] duflu, I can edit that page, are you properly logged in? [07:56] oSoMoN, seb128, I don't mean to sound negative at the same time. Actually both can be true simultaneously: 20.04 is faster than previous releases, and more work needs to be done [07:56] seb128, maybe my login is stale, but yes I am logged in [07:57] duflu, and you don't have the edit action in the top left? [07:57] seb128, nope [07:57] I wonder if I fell out of some group [07:57] maybe it's limited to some members? Laney or Wimpress might know better [07:57] can you edit other pages? [07:57] I have had edit access for years till this week [07:59] Aha! Yes seb128 I just had to log out and in again [07:59] ok, at least you got it working [08:03] morning [08:04] morning Laney [08:05] Morning Laney [08:06] Perfect timing... Laney do you reckon Ubuntu Server could do with being more concise and more consistently formatted in the release notes? [08:14] hey Laney, how are you? had a good w.e? [08:16] hey marcustomlinson duflu seb128 [08:16] duflu: ah thanks for raising that [08:16] just mentioned it in the virtual release sprint and sil2100 is going to speak to Josh [08:17] seb128: quite nice, tidied the garden [08:21] Laney, nice :) [08:21] and fiddled with DNS servers [08:21] what about you? [08:23] nothing too exciting, we did a walk on sunday morning, otherwise mostly stayed out and usually w.e clearning, cooking and played some games [08:35] :> [08:35] seb128: steve pinged me about https://launchpad.net/bugs/1871960 [08:35] Ubuntu bug 1871960 in libgtk3-perl (Ubuntu) "package libpam-modules 1.1.8-3.6ubuntu2.18.04.1 failed to install/upgrade: pre-dependency problem - not installing libpam-modules:amd64" [Critical,New] [08:36] wonder if anyone could take a look [08:37] Laney, thanks, I will try to poke, sounds like maybe some Depends not strong enough and mix of versions in the middle of the upgrade? [08:50] Morning desktoppers o/ [08:50] Morning Wimpress [08:50] hey Wimpress [08:52] seb128: could be, sounds a bit hairy to me [08:52] hey Wimpress, how are you? [09:22] Trevinho, hey, can we get https://github.com/micheleg/dash-to-dock/pull/1174 merged/upload? [09:22] micheleg issue (Pull request) 1174 in dash-to-dock "Fix regression (wrong sign when computing position)." [Open] [09:22] duflu, thanks for fixing that one! [09:22] seb128, actually upstream fixed it yesterday :) [09:23] duflu, ah, nice, maybe we should close the GNOME report? [09:23] seb128, I keep trying but gitlab has been unresponsive for days [09:23] :-/ [09:24] which is also good. I can't see what else I need to answer [09:24] seb128, can you confirm? [09:24] It only half loads pages [09:24] If you want a really long time sometimes a page will load [09:24] If you wait a really long time sometimes a page will load [09:27] duflu, commenting works fine, I added a comment, I'm not a maintainer/having acl to close it though [09:28] Hmm [09:28] loading has no slowness here [09:28] That's worse news [09:28] Why is it only me? [09:28] Did they change gitlab to only work with fast pings? :) [09:31] did you try if using the VPN makes a difference? [09:31] who knows, maybe some routing problems or something [09:33] No, but I am asking Gnome sysadmin now [10:36] kenvandine: So, Eickmeyer tells me you're the one to find for pushing updates to gtk-common-themes... :) Do you mind taking a look at https://gitlab.gnome.org/Community/Ubuntu/gtk-common-themes/-/merge_requests/19 ? [13:03] Window buttons are messed up in gnome settings, when they are put on left as unity used to do: https://ibb.co/tJtqQZG [13:04] (I don't remember if I did the change for left buttons, or if that's still the default on ubuntu) [13:06] xclaesse, hey, we reverted to button on the right when we switched back to GNOME, so it's your setting. The issue is bug #1873638 ... it shouldn't be something new though? any application using GtkHeaderBar with a split titelbar should have those (we got reports in previous cycle from e.g gedit when enabling a sidebar) [13:06] bug 1873638 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "Titlebar buttons incorrectly placed when set to appear on the left" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1873638 [13:10] seb128: thanks for the link. It's not new indeed, I just rarely open an app that has that issue :) [13:11] headerbars are a total mess in GNOME, it's sad [13:11] each app invent their own way of placing their options [13:20] gnome-control-center Sebastien Bacher 156763 * commented merge request !16 * https://deb.li/ij8V0 [13:20] Laney: hey, was mentioned last week, but could we move yaru under the desktop umbrella, wouldn't make sense? in any case what would be the procedure? [13:25] gnome-control-center Marco Trevisan 156768 * commented merge request !16 * https://deb.li/VJvD [13:25] Trevinho, I will handle that, see https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2020/04/17/%23ubuntu-devel.html#t15:00 for discussion [13:26] ah, i searched my logs but only desktop ones :) [13:52] gnome-control-center Marco Trevisan 156788 * commented merge request !16 * https://deb.li/Gxuy [13:55] gnome-control-center ubuntu/master Marco Trevisan * [update] merge request !16: debian/patches: Disable dock in all monitors when choosing a specific one * https://deb.li/79V [13:56] seb128: I've dropped the other patch from ^ [13:56] no other change was there though, I think was just the patch refreshing showing more context? [13:56] Trevinho, thanks! [13:56] Trevinho, you mean by "no other change was there though'? [13:56] bluesabre: looking at it. The icons add 6M to the snap compressed [13:57] g-c-c should reorganize the patches using pq features better IMHO though, using context for the ubuntu-only ones so that there's no manual management of debian/patches/series [13:57] seb128: I meant the "keywords" one you mentioned? [13:57] maybe I misuntedstood what you were referring to [13:58] Trevinho, you are right, my mistake, diff or patches are not easy to read :p [13:58] or->of [13:58] ah ok :), well gitlab isn't bad at showing them once you only look at the background color other than +/-'s [14:00] Trevinho, well it can be misleading too, look at https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-control-center/-/merge_requests/16/diffs now [14:00] + [14:00] just before POTFILES.in [14:00] in that an addition or a context? [14:00] seb128: I mean you've to look at the side bg-color [14:00] where the lines are... [14:01] if that's white there's no change, if red/green it's the added/removed ones [14:01] ah [14:01] right, I never noticed [14:01] I looked at the selection color [14:01] yeah, diffs of patches isn't great but with that tip should be better [14:02] indeed, thanks! [14:02] Trevinho, thanks for uploading the dock fix [14:02] np [14:07] gnome-control-center Sebastien Bacher 156794 * commented merge request !16 * https://deb.li/3XZ3U [14:10] gnome-control-center ubuntu/master 64740e9 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) debian/ changelog patches/0008-Allow-tweaking-some-settings-for-Ubuntu-Dock.patch * debian/patches: Disable dock in all monitors when choosing a specific one * https://deb.li/3UJ10 [15:00] good morning dekstopers [15:02] good morning hellsworth [15:02] hi oSoMoN how are you today? [15:03] not bad, how are you? [15:03] quite good thanks.. just testing a new LO :) [15:09] hey hellsworth [15:09] hiya [15:18] hey hellsworth! [15:18] hi there didrocks ! [16:06] gnome-control-center ubuntu/master Marco Trevisan * [open] merge request !17: ubuntu-panel: Multimonitor fixes and improvements for dock monitor selector * https://deb.li/3wkvn [16:07] seb128: I've moved the 2nd round of fixes for the appearence panel to ^ [16:08] Trevinho, thanks [16:08] I will review tomorrow [16:08] I want another fix from Robert for the livepatch segfault and upload, then I will do a SRU [16:09] seb128: yeah no rush only one that could be confusing is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1873890 but nothing high prio [16:09] Ubuntu bug 1873890 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "Appearence pane shows monitors also when they are disabled" [Medium,In progress] [16:11] Trevinho, ack [16:26] kenvandine, hey, how are you? had a good w.e? [16:27] kenvandine, I tried thunderbird's snap, it doesn't work with enigmail for me [16:27] kenvandine, unsure why there is no error on the command line or in the journal... but it doesn't see any key (and I connected to the interface/restarted it) [16:55] first images are out on the iso tracker now [16:55] go test [17:04] yay [17:08] not just randomly, follow a testcase on iso.qa.ubuntu.com and post a result [17:08] :-) [17:10] we know there *will* be new images tomorrow (see status post: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/focal-fossa-20-04-lts-final-release-status-tracking/15366) but it'll be more or less the same as this one for most people [17:13] ricotz: LO 6.4.3 looks good to me but I'd like for you to kind of approve before asking marcustomlinson or oSoMoN to upload: https://launchpad.net/~hellsworth/+archive/ubuntu/libreoffice [17:21] hellsworth, hey :), looking [17:21] thanks [17:21] hellsworth, did you push the packaging branch yet? [17:22] no but i can real quick [17:22] please do [17:22] was just working on my fork to keep the main tree clean [17:22] k one sec [17:22] or use a temp branch [17:25] ok ubuntu-focal-6.4 is up to date [17:25] i also looked at every patch that went into debian.. and it all looked fine to me [17:26] s/patch/commit [17:28] hellsworth, looks good :), just a minor thing, while the stale changelog entry for 1:6.4.2-0ubuntu4 is still there [17:28] and try not introduce trailing spaces :) [17:29] (in 1:6.4.3-0ubuntu1) [17:31] hellsworth, you could merge the last commit into the merge [17:31] *you could squash the last commit into the merge === ijohnson is now known as ijohnson|lunch [17:36] ok [17:41] ok done [17:44] lgmt :) [17:44] lgtm [17:45] woot! [17:46] oh i need some autopkgtests run first.. let me get some links together.. [17:49] kenvandine: could you please launch some autopkgtests for me? [17:49] https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yGs4VWJBG2/ [17:49] hellsworth: sure [17:49] thanks [17:49] hellsworth: please include a bug reference when you upload as this is quite likely to be going in as an SRU rather than into focal release [17:50] ah right.. ok thanks Laney [17:50] (and hi!) [17:50] * hellsworth waves across the pond [17:51] * Laney shouts really loudly [17:51] actually I'm off, night night [17:51] :) [17:51] cheers [17:57] I guess it is now too late to make any changes to a focal universe package? (sorry if I'm asking in the wrong channel) [17:59] * ricotz wonders about an answer to that :) [18:01] I'm asking to see if it would be possible to make a last-minute update [18:03] hellsworth: done [18:03] thanks! [18:04] seb128, hi :), I am wondering about that focal-release pocket deadline in case of corresponding vala release for GNOME 3.36.2 [18:24] ricotz: past, expect it to be an SRU now [18:26] Laney, ack, thanks [18:36] Laney, thank you for the info regarding SRUs (which I'd never heard of). How do I request an SRU for a universe package? I'm an application developer with a package that has a startup crash for some users. I can file a bug against the package; should I merely subscribe ubuntu-sponsors to it? In case it's not obvious I'm not in MOTU or an Ubuntu member. [18:38] ngaio: If you can supply a patch, filing a bug and attaching it, then subscribing ubuntu-sponsors ought to be enough [18:38] #ubuntu-motu is the channel to chat about universe stuff [18:39] Laney, thanks! (Will take discussion to motu, sorry to bother folks here) [18:40] no worries [18:46] kenvandine: much appreciated! [18:47] bluesabre: np [18:58] gnome-control-center ubuntu/master Marco Trevisan * [update] merge request !16: debian/patches: Disable dock in all monitors when choosing a specific one * https://deb.li/79V === ijohnson|lunch is now known as ijohnson [18:58] gnome-control-center Marco Trevisan 156852 * commented merge request !16 * https://deb.li/iUKUe [18:58] gnome-control-center ubuntu/master Marco Trevisan * [close] merge request !16: debian/patches: Disable dock in all monitors when choosing a specific one * https://deb.li/79V [19:26] mutter tags c4776aa Marco Trevisan ubuntu/3.36.1-3ubuntu3 * Debian release 3.36.1-3ubuntu3 * https://deb.li/HQZ1 [19:26] mutter ubuntu/master 265a8a9 William Grant debian/ changelog rules * Import Debian changes 3.36.1-3ubuntu3 * https://deb.li/3SboN [19:40] jdstrand, hey. You might know offhand, but is the gpg-keys snap interface supposed to give access to the private keys from the user? I'm trying with thunderbird, Ken said enigmail was working but it's not anymore. If I snap run --shell thunderbird and gpg --list-secret-keys nothing is listed... is that expected or already buggy? (also no deny/nothing in the journal) [19:53] jdstrand, kenvandine, it works if I ln -s /home//.gpg so looks like the only thing missing is that symlink to be created by default, what should be doing it? [19:53] I wrote a comment on a bug report 3 or 4 days ago [19:53] but it didn't show up [19:53] why is that? [19:54] seb128: symlink to what? [19:54] internet issue on your end? are you sure it correctly submitted? [19:54] kenvandine, from the snap ~ to the real userdir [19:54] I did [19:54] $ snap run --shell thunderbird [19:54] it's okay though because the person who reported the issue noticed the same thing and commented to point it out [19:54] $ cd [19:54] $ ls -la [19:55] and there was a .gupng without secret key [19:55] removing that and symlink to /home/realuser/.gnupg and enigmail works [19:57] kenvandine, could be because tb doesn't share userdirs between versions? [19:57] k, need to step out for a bit, I will read the backlog later [20:10] seb128: i think we'd have to create a command-chain script to add that symlink at startup [20:23] seb128: actually, instead of creating a symlink we need to set some env [20:24] GNUPGHOME=$REALHOME/.gnupg [20:53] kenvandine, did we use to do that? [20:53] no, so not sure how this worked [20:53] i just pushed a fix [20:53] i think :) [20:54] seb128: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/thunderbird/snap/revision/30 [20:54] with that i can list keys in the snap shell [20:54] ./bin/gpg-shim gpg --list-keys [20:55] without the symlink works [20:56] kenvandine, we can't have that directly in an env section of the snapcraft?yaml? [20:57] no [20:57] we don't have REALHOME [20:57] we need to shell out for that [21:00] seb128: with that the enigmail setup wizard succeeds [21:00] and i can toggle signing in compose [21:00] but i get an error on send [21:01] i can also list keys in the enigmail UI [21:02] i am getting a denial [21:02] Apr 20 17:00:01 trabajo kernel: [226275.941591] audit: type=1400 audit(1587416401.229:1990632): apparmor="DENIED" operation="mknod" profile="snap.thunderbird.thunderbird" name="/home/ken/.gnupg/.#lk0x0000561091faefa0.trabajo.538325" pid=538325 comm="gpg" requested_mask="c" denied_mask="c" fsuid=1000 ouid=1000 [21:18] good morning robert_ancell [21:18] hi [21:22] hey robert_ancell [21:22] kenvandine, the change looks suboptimal though, what happens if the interface is not connected? like maybe I want to use a private key for the snap only and not connect the interface? [21:23] seb128, LP: #1862553 seems pretty broken. I wonder if it ever worked? [21:23] Launchpad bug 1862553 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "gnome-control-center crashed with SIGSEGV in cc_panel_get_title_widget()" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1862553 [21:23] kenvandine, also we use desktop-launch, seems like a better place to fix it so evolution and other softwares would work too [21:23] potentially [21:23] this is a good way to see if it at least works in thunderbird [21:24] we can consider moving it to the next snapcraft extension we do [21:24] still it should be conditional to the interface to be connected [21:24] robert_ancell, did you read the description of https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-control-center/-/merge_requests/423 ? that hack from andyrock worked in bionic (we only have livepatch in LTSes) [21:25] I doubt anyone would go through the trouble of creating a separate .gnupg within the snap? [21:25] thunberbird created it for me [21:26] seb128, looks like you are the right person to resolve this issue :) [21:26] i guess the enigmail UI would let you create keys? [21:26] robert_ancell, it's over my gobject skills sorry :/ [21:26] robert_ancell, but that hack/patch got commited upstream so for some reason it isn't enough anymore [21:26] kenvandine, probably, I didn't play more with it [21:27] We're also carrying a weird patch from Andrea that quits g-c-c while triggering this, which looks very weird. [21:29] robert_ancell, the patch you are refering too is to avoid having a weird path of "click add, gcc -> add account is opened, add the account -> gcc is open" [21:29] too->to [21:29] aha [21:29] https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-control-center/issues/16 has the details [21:29] GNOME issue 16 in gnome-control-center "gnome-control-center windows remains open after using the launch-panel/online-accounts/add "API"" [1. Bug, 6. Component: Online Accounts, Opened] [21:30] but yeah, otherwise you end up having the setting app open on screen where you were just adding an account for another app, which is like "why is settings there"? [21:32] seb128: i'm trying this https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4hz4F9RY3n/ [21:33] kenvandine, k [21:39] seb128: ok, that works [21:39] kenvandine, great :) [21:40] kenvandine, thanks for fixing it! [21:40] not sure about enigmail though [21:40] it still fails to sign messages [21:40] I will poke at that tomorrow [21:40] but it can list keys, etc [21:40] ok [21:40] thanks! [21:40] np! [21:40] one step at a time [21:40] :) [21:41] on that note I'm going to call it a day [21:41] robert_ancell, good luck with the g-c-c issue, please send me a kick status update via email at the end of yourday, if you can't figure it out/are too busy with other things I will see if someone can maybe help tomorrow [21:42] good night seb128 [21:42] night! [21:42] seb128, I'm not sure how successful I'll be at it - it looks like it might be a tricky fix. Got other things I need to resolve to. Will update at EOD though. [21:42] robert_ancell, thanks