[00:43] <callmepk> Good morning
[05:49] <jibel> morning all
[05:52] <duflu> Morning jibel 
[05:52] <duflu> biab
[05:53] <jibel> Hi duflu 
[06:37] <didrocks> good morning
[06:38] <seb128> goood morning desktopers!
[06:40] <didrocks> good morning seb128 
[06:40] <seb128> lut didrocks, en forme ? passé un bon w.e ?
[06:41] <duflu> Morning didrocks and seb128 
[06:42] <seb128> hey duflu, how are you? had a good w.e?
[06:42] <duflu> seb128, the rest was excellent but exciting weekends don't tend to happen at the moment. You?
[06:43] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers, happy Monday!
[06:43] <seb128> lut oSoMoN, happy monday! had a good w.e?
[06:44] <seb128> duflu, nothing really exciting here either but it relaxing at least
[06:44] <oSoMoN> seb128, salut! a good week-end indeed, and you?
[06:44] <duflu> Hi oSoMoN 
[06:44] <oSoMoN> hey duflu 
[06:44] <seb128> oSoMoN, it was alright :)
[06:45] <seb128> too much eating & drinking for the level of movement/sport though :-/
[06:46] <duflu> There's a simple solution to that :)
[06:49] <didrocks> seb128: ça va, rien d’exceptionnel, et vous ?
[06:49] <didrocks> hey duflu 
[06:49] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN 
[06:49] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks 
[06:49] <marcustomlinson> morning jibel duflu didrocks seb128 oSoMoN
[06:50] <didrocks> hey hey marcustomlinson 
[06:50] <marcustomlinson> 2 day weekends are lame
[06:52] <seb128> didrocks, un peu pareil, on ne sort pas trop donc les jours se ressemblent
[06:52] <seb128> hey marcustomlinson
[06:52] <seb128> lol
[06:53] <oSoMoN> marcustomlinson, I totally agree
[06:56] <oSoMoN> wow my daughter caught my mouse, clicked once on the launcher and dragged, and BOOM, launcher broken!
[06:56] <seb128> segfault? stucked in dnd?
[06:56] <duflu> Morning marcustomlinson 
[06:56] <oSoMoN> (only the one icon she dragged actually, the other ones are responsive)
[06:56] <seb128> :(
[06:56] <oSoMoN> so it looks like partially stuck in DnD
[06:56] <seb128> look in the journal for an error I guess
[06:56] <oSoMoN> yeah, will do that when she lets me :)
[06:57] <seb128> and maybe try hitting 'esc' on the keyboard
[06:57] <oSoMoN> tracker-extract is spamming the journal
[06:58] <marcustomlinson> its amazes me how kids manage to do this
[06:58] <oSoMoN> I think that means our software is very fragile…
[06:58] <oSoMoN> not kid-proof
[06:58] <marcustomlinson> maybe, my son has managed to do some super weird things to my iphone
[07:00] <marcustomlinson> things I could almost never reproduce :P
[07:02] <marcustomlinson> I'd rather believe your daughter is a genius than admit this may be a bug ;)
[07:19] <duflu> Hmm, multimonitor performance doesn't seem very good. Can't remember if that's better or worse than before. I will need to make more time for that this year
[07:22] <oSoMoN> seb128, nothing in the journal, and the broken launcher icon appears to have fixed itself after my screen locked and I unlocked it
[07:24] <oSoMoN> in other news, a friend of mine upgraded from 19.04 to 19.10 then 20.04 over the week-end, and he is very pleased with the performance improvements in gnome-shell and friends
[07:27] <duflu> I'm also a bit frustrated at how much slower the Ubuntu extensions make everything. Will need to find out why that is
[07:31] <duflu> seb128, is this meant to be "immutable" already? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseNotes
[07:32] <duflu> or ever?
[07:53] <seb128> oSoMoN, nice to read, kudos to duflu for that :)
[07:56] <seb128> duflu, I can edit that page, are you properly logged in?
[07:56] <duflu> oSoMoN, seb128, I don't mean to sound negative at the same time. Actually both can be true simultaneously: 20.04 is faster than previous releases, and more work needs to be done
[07:56] <duflu> seb128, maybe my login is stale, but yes I am logged in
[07:57] <seb128> duflu, and you don't have the edit action in the top left?
[07:57] <duflu> seb128, nope
[07:57] <duflu> I wonder if I fell out of some group
[07:57] <seb128> maybe it's limited to some members? Laney or Wimpress might know better
[07:57] <seb128> can you edit other pages?
[07:57] <duflu> I have had edit access for years till this week
[07:59] <duflu> Aha! Yes seb128 I just had to log out and in again
[07:59] <seb128> ok, at least you got it working
[08:03] <Laney> morning
[08:04] <marcustomlinson> morning Laney
[08:05] <duflu> Morning Laney
[08:06] <duflu> Perfect timing... Laney do you reckon Ubuntu Server could do with being more concise and more consistently formatted in the release notes?
[08:14] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you? had a good w.e?
[08:16] <Laney> hey marcustomlinson duflu seb128 
[08:16] <Laney> duflu: ah thanks for raising that
[08:16] <Laney> just mentioned it in the virtual release sprint and sil2100 is going to speak to Josh
[08:17] <Laney> seb128: quite nice, tidied the garden 
[08:21] <seb128> Laney, nice :)
[08:21] <Laney> and fiddled with DNS servers
[08:21] <Laney> what about you?
[08:23] <seb128> nothing too exciting, we did a walk on sunday morning, otherwise mostly stayed out and usually w.e clearning, cooking and played some games
[08:35] <Laney> :>
[08:35] <Laney> seb128: steve pinged me about https://launchpad.net/bugs/1871960
[08:36] <Laney> wonder if anyone could take a look
[08:37] <seb128> Laney, thanks, I will try to poke, sounds like maybe some Depends not strong enough and mix of versions in the middle of the upgrade?
[08:50] <Wimpress> Morning desktoppers o/
[08:50] <duflu> Morning Wimpress 
[08:50] <marcustomlinson> hey Wimpress
[08:52] <Laney> seb128: could be, sounds a bit hairy to me
[08:52] <seb128> hey Wimpress, how are you?
[09:22] <seb128> Trevinho, hey, can we get https://github.com/micheleg/dash-to-dock/pull/1174 merged/upload?
[09:22] <gitbot> micheleg issue (Pull request) 1174 in dash-to-dock "Fix regression (wrong sign when computing position)." [Open]
[09:22] <seb128> duflu, thanks for fixing that one!
[09:22] <duflu> seb128, actually upstream fixed it yesterday :)
[09:23] <seb128> duflu, ah, nice, maybe we should close the GNOME report?
[09:23] <duflu> seb128, I keep trying but gitlab has been unresponsive for days
[09:23] <seb128> :-/
[09:24] <duflu> which is also good. I can't see what else I need to answer
[09:24] <duflu> seb128, can you confirm?
[09:24] <duflu> It only half loads pages
[09:24] <duflu> If you want a really long time sometimes a page will load
[09:24] <duflu> If you wait a really long time sometimes a page will load
[09:27] <seb128> duflu, commenting works fine, I added a comment, I'm not a maintainer/having acl to close it though
[09:28] <duflu> Hmm
[09:28] <seb128> loading has no slowness here
[09:28] <duflu> That's worse news
[09:28] <duflu> Why is it only me?
[09:28] <duflu> Did they change gitlab to only work with fast pings? :)
[09:31] <seb128> did you try if using the VPN makes a difference?
[09:31] <seb128> who knows, maybe some routing problems or something
[09:33] <duflu> No, but I am asking Gnome sysadmin now
[10:36] <bluesabre> kenvandine: So, Eickmeyer tells me you're the one to find for pushing updates to gtk-common-themes... :) Do you mind taking a look at https://gitlab.gnome.org/Community/Ubuntu/gtk-common-themes/-/merge_requests/19 ?
[13:03] <xclaesse> Window buttons are messed up in gnome settings, when they are put on left as unity used to do: https://ibb.co/tJtqQZG
[13:04] <xclaesse> (I don't remember if I did the change for left buttons, or if that's still the default on ubuntu)
[13:06] <seb128> xclaesse, hey, we reverted to button on the right when we switched back to GNOME, so it's your setting. The issue is bug #1873638 ... it shouldn't be something new though? any application using GtkHeaderBar with a split titelbar should have those (we got reports in previous cycle from e.g gedit when enabling a sidebar)
[13:10] <xclaesse> seb128: thanks for the link. It's not new indeed, I just rarely open an app that has that issue :)
[13:11] <xclaesse> headerbars are a total mess in GNOME, it's sad
[13:11] <xclaesse> each app invent their own way of placing their options
[13:20] <KGB-1> gnome-control-center Sebastien Bacher 156763 * commented merge request !16 * https://deb.li/ij8V0
[13:20] <Trevinho> Laney: hey, was mentioned last week, but could we move yaru under the desktop umbrella, wouldn't make sense? in any case what would be the procedure?
[13:25] <KGB-1> gnome-control-center Marco Trevisan 156768 * commented merge request !16 * https://deb.li/VJvD
[13:25] <seb128> Trevinho, I will handle that, see https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2020/04/17/%23ubuntu-devel.html#t15:00 for discussion
[13:26] <Trevinho> ah, i searched my logs but only desktop ones :)
[13:52] <KGB-1> gnome-control-center Marco Trevisan 156788 * commented merge request !16 * https://deb.li/Gxuy
[13:55] <KGB-1> gnome-control-center ubuntu/master Marco Trevisan * [update] merge request !16: debian/patches: Disable dock in all monitors when choosing a specific one * https://deb.li/79V
[13:56] <Trevinho> seb128: I've dropped the other patch from ^
[13:56] <Trevinho> no other change was there though, I think was just the patch refreshing showing more context?
[13:56] <seb128> Trevinho, thanks!
[13:56] <seb128> Trevinho, you mean by "no other change was there though'?
[13:56] <kenvandine> bluesabre: looking at it.  The icons add 6M to the snap compressed 
[13:57] <Trevinho> g-c-c should reorganize the patches using pq features better IMHO though, using context for the ubuntu-only ones so that there's no manual management of debian/patches/series
[13:57] <Trevinho> seb128: I meant the "keywords" one you mentioned?
[13:57] <Trevinho> maybe I misuntedstood what you were referring to
[13:58] <seb128> Trevinho, you are right, my mistake, diff or patches are not easy to read :p
[13:58] <seb128> or->of
[13:58] <Trevinho> ah ok :), well gitlab isn't bad at showing them once you only look at the background color other than +/-'s
[14:00] <seb128> Trevinho, well it can be misleading too, look at https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-control-center/-/merge_requests/16/diffs now
[14:00] <seb128> +</gresources>
[14:00] <seb128> just before POTFILES.in
[14:00] <seb128> in that an addition or a context?
[14:00] <Trevinho> seb128: I mean you've to look at the side bg-color
[14:00] <Trevinho> where the lines are...
[14:01] <Trevinho> if that's white there's no change, if red/green it's the added/removed ones
[14:01] <seb128> ah
[14:01] <seb128> right, I never noticed
[14:01] <seb128> I looked at the selection color
[14:01] <Trevinho> yeah, diffs of patches isn't great but with that tip should be better
[14:02] <seb128> indeed, thanks!
[14:02] <seb128> Trevinho, thanks for uploading the dock fix
[14:02] <Trevinho> np
[14:07] <KGB-1> gnome-control-center Sebastien Bacher 156794 * commented merge request !16 * https://deb.li/3XZ3U
[14:10] <KGB-1> gnome-control-center ubuntu/master 64740e9 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) debian/ changelog patches/0008-Allow-tweaking-some-settings-for-Ubuntu-Dock.patch * debian/patches: Disable dock in all monitors when choosing a specific one * https://deb.li/3UJ10
[15:00] <hellsworth> good morning dekstopers
[15:02] <oSoMoN> good morning hellsworth 
[15:02] <hellsworth> hi oSoMoN how are you today?
[15:03] <oSoMoN> not bad, how are you?
[15:03] <hellsworth> quite good thanks.. just testing a new LO :)
[15:09] <marcustomlinson> hey hellsworth
[15:09] <hellsworth> hiya
[15:18] <didrocks> hey hellsworth!
[15:18] <hellsworth> hi there didrocks !
[16:06] <KGB-1> gnome-control-center ubuntu/master Marco Trevisan * [open] merge request !17: ubuntu-panel: Multimonitor fixes and improvements for dock monitor selector * https://deb.li/3wkvn
[16:07] <Trevinho> seb128: I've moved the 2nd round of fixes for the appearence panel to ^
[16:08] <seb128> Trevinho, thanks
[16:08] <seb128> I will review tomorrow
[16:08] <seb128> I want another fix from Robert for the livepatch segfault and upload, then I will do a SRU
[16:09] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah no rush only one that could be confusing is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1873890 but nothing high prio
[16:11] <seb128> Trevinho, ack
[16:26] <seb128> kenvandine, hey, how are you? had a good w.e?
[16:27] <seb128> kenvandine, I tried thunderbird's snap, it doesn't work with enigmail for me
[16:27] <seb128> kenvandine, unsure why there is no error on the command line or in the journal... but it doesn't see any key (and I connected to the interface/restarted it)
[16:55] <Laney> first images are out on the iso tracker now
[16:55] <Laney> go test
[17:04] <Trevinho> yay
[17:08] <Laney> not just randomly, follow a testcase on iso.qa.ubuntu.com and post a result
[17:08] <Laney> :-)
[17:10] <Laney> we know there *will* be new images tomorrow (see status post: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/focal-fossa-20-04-lts-final-release-status-tracking/15366) but it'll be more or less the same as this one for most people
[17:13] <hellsworth> ricotz: LO 6.4.3 looks good to me but I'd like for you to kind of approve before asking marcustomlinson or oSoMoN to upload: https://launchpad.net/~hellsworth/+archive/ubuntu/libreoffice
[17:21] <ricotz> hellsworth, hey :), looking
[17:21] <hellsworth> thanks
[17:21] <ricotz> hellsworth, did you push the packaging branch yet?
[17:22] <hellsworth> no but i can real quick
[17:22] <ricotz> please do
[17:22] <hellsworth> was just working on my fork to keep the main tree clean
[17:22] <hellsworth> k one sec
[17:22] <ricotz> or use a temp branch
[17:25] <hellsworth> ok ubuntu-focal-6.4 is up to date
[17:25] <hellsworth> i also looked at every patch that went into debian.. and it all looked fine to me
[17:26] <hellsworth> s/patch/commit
[17:28] <ricotz> hellsworth, looks good :), just a minor thing, while the stale changelog entry for 1:6.4.2-0ubuntu4 is still there
[17:28] <ricotz> and try not introduce trailing spaces :)
[17:29] <ricotz> (in 1:6.4.3-0ubuntu1)
[17:31] <ricotz> hellsworth, you could merge the last commit into the merge
[17:31] <ricotz> *you could squash the last commit into the merge
[17:36] <hellsworth> ok
[17:41] <hellsworth> ok done
[17:44] <ricotz> lgmt :)
[17:44] <ricotz> lgtm
[17:45] <hellsworth> woot!
[17:46] <hellsworth> oh i need some autopkgtests run first.. let me get some links together..
[17:49] <hellsworth> kenvandine: could you please launch some autopkgtests for me?
[17:49] <hellsworth> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yGs4VWJBG2/
[17:49] <kenvandine> hellsworth: sure
[17:49] <hellsworth> thanks
[17:49] <Laney> hellsworth: please include a bug reference when you upload as this is quite likely to be going in as an SRU rather than into focal release
[17:50] <hellsworth> ah right.. ok thanks Laney 
[17:50] <Laney> (and hi!)
[17:50]  * hellsworth waves across the pond
[17:51]  * Laney shouts really loudly
[17:51] <Laney> actually I'm off, night night
[17:51] <hellsworth> :)
[17:51] <hellsworth> cheers
[17:57] <ngaio> I guess it is now too late to make any changes to a focal universe package? (sorry if I'm asking in the wrong channel)
[17:59]  * ricotz wonders about an answer to that :)
[18:01] <ngaio> I'm asking to see if it would be possible to make a last-minute update
[18:03] <kenvandine> hellsworth: done
[18:03] <hellsworth> thanks!
[18:04] <ricotz> seb128, hi :), I am wondering about that focal-release pocket deadline in case of corresponding vala release for GNOME 3.36.2
[18:24] <Laney> ricotz: past, expect it to be an SRU now
[18:26] <ricotz> Laney, ack, thanks
[18:36] <ngaio> Laney, thank you for the info regarding SRUs (which I'd never heard of). How do I request an SRU for a universe package? I'm an application developer with a package that has a startup crash for some users. I can file a bug against the package;  should I merely subscribe ubuntu-sponsors to it? In case it's not obvious I'm not in MOTU or an Ubuntu member.
[18:38] <Laney> ngaio: If you can supply a patch, filing a bug and attaching it, then subscribing ubuntu-sponsors ought to be enough
[18:38] <Laney> #ubuntu-motu is the channel to chat about universe stuff
[18:39] <ngaio> Laney, thanks! (Will take discussion to motu, sorry to bother folks here)
[18:40] <Laney> no worries
[18:46] <bluesabre> kenvandine: much appreciated!
[18:47] <kenvandine> bluesabre: np
[18:58] <KGB-1> gnome-control-center ubuntu/master Marco Trevisan * [update] merge request !16: debian/patches: Disable dock in all monitors when choosing a specific one * https://deb.li/79V
[18:58] <KGB-1> gnome-control-center Marco Trevisan 156852 * commented merge request !16 * https://deb.li/iUKUe
[18:58] <KGB-1> gnome-control-center ubuntu/master Marco Trevisan * [close] merge request !16: debian/patches: Disable dock in all monitors when choosing a specific one * https://deb.li/79V
[19:26] <KGB-2> mutter tags c4776aa Marco Trevisan ubuntu/3.36.1-3ubuntu3 * Debian release 3.36.1-3ubuntu3 * https://deb.li/HQZ1
[19:26] <KGB-2> mutter ubuntu/master 265a8a9 William Grant debian/ changelog rules * Import Debian changes 3.36.1-3ubuntu3 * https://deb.li/3SboN
[19:40] <seb128> jdstrand, hey. You might know offhand, but is the gpg-keys snap interface supposed to give access to the private keys from the user? I'm trying with thunderbird, Ken said enigmail was working but it's not anymore. If I snap run --shell thunderbird and gpg --list-secret-keys nothing is listed... is that expected or already buggy? (also no deny/nothing in the journal)
[19:53] <seb128> jdstrand, kenvandine, it works if I ln -s /home/<username>/.gpg so looks like the only thing missing is that symlink to be created by default, what should be doing it?
[19:53] <sa-ghosts> I wrote a comment on a bug report 3 or 4 days ago
[19:53] <sa-ghosts> but it didn't show up
[19:53] <sa-ghosts> why is that?
[19:54] <kenvandine> seb128: symlink to what?
[19:54] <seb128> internet issue on your end? are you sure it correctly submitted?
[19:54] <seb128> kenvandine, from the snap ~ to the real userdir
[19:54] <seb128> I did 
[19:54] <seb128> $ snap run --shell thunderbird
[19:54] <sa-ghosts> it's okay though because the person who reported the issue noticed the same thing and commented to point it out
[19:54] <seb128> $ cd
[19:54] <seb128> $ ls -la
[19:55] <seb128> and there was a .gupng without secret key
[19:55] <seb128> removing that and symlink to /home/realuser/.gnupg and enigmail works
[19:57] <seb128> kenvandine, could be because tb doesn't share userdirs between versions?
[19:57] <seb128> k, need to step out for a bit, I will read the backlog later
[20:10] <kenvandine> seb128: i think we'd have to create a command-chain script to add that symlink at startup
[20:23] <kenvandine> seb128: actually, instead of creating a symlink we need to set some env
[20:24] <kenvandine> GNUPGHOME=$REALHOME/.gnupg
[20:53] <seb128> kenvandine, did we use to do that?
[20:53] <kenvandine> no, so not sure how this worked
[20:53] <kenvandine> i just pushed a fix
[20:53] <kenvandine> i think :)
[20:54] <kenvandine> seb128: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/thunderbird/snap/revision/30
[20:54] <kenvandine> with that i can list keys in the snap shell
[20:54] <kenvandine> ./bin/gpg-shim gpg --list-keys
[20:55] <kenvandine> without the symlink works
[20:56] <seb128> kenvandine, we can't have that directly in an env section of the snapcraft?yaml?
[20:57] <kenvandine> no
[20:57] <kenvandine> we don't have REALHOME
[20:57] <kenvandine> we need to shell out for that
[21:00] <kenvandine> seb128: with that the enigmail setup wizard succeeds
[21:00] <kenvandine> and i can toggle signing in compose
[21:00] <kenvandine> but i get an error on send
[21:01] <kenvandine> i can also list keys in the enigmail UI
[21:02] <kenvandine> i am getting a denial
[21:02] <kenvandine> Apr 20 17:00:01 trabajo kernel: [226275.941591] audit: type=1400 audit(1587416401.229:1990632): apparmor="DENIED" operation="mknod" profile="snap.thunderbird.thunderbird" name="/home/ken/.gnupg/.#lk0x0000561091faefa0.trabajo.538325" pid=538325 comm="gpg" requested_mask="c" denied_mask="c" fsuid=1000 ouid=1000
[21:18] <kenvandine> good morning robert_ancell 
[21:18] <robert_ancell> hi
[21:22] <seb128> hey robert_ancell
[21:22] <seb128> kenvandine, the change looks suboptimal though, what happens if the interface is not connected? like maybe I want to use a private key for the snap only and not connect the interface?
[21:23] <robert_ancell> seb128, LP: #1862553 seems pretty broken. I wonder if it ever worked?
[21:23] <seb128> kenvandine, also we use desktop-launch, seems like a better place to fix it so evolution and other softwares would work too
[21:23] <kenvandine> potentially
[21:23] <kenvandine> this is a good way to see if it at least works in thunderbird
[21:24] <kenvandine> we can consider moving it to the next snapcraft extension we do
[21:24] <seb128> still it should be conditional to the interface to be connected
[21:24] <seb128> robert_ancell, did you read the description of https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-control-center/-/merge_requests/423 ? that hack from andyrock worked in bionic (we only have livepatch in LTSes)
[21:25] <kenvandine> I doubt anyone would go through the trouble of creating a separate .gnupg within the snap?
[21:25] <seb128> thunberbird created it for me
[21:26] <robert_ancell> seb128, looks like you are the right person to resolve this issue :)
[21:26] <kenvandine> i guess the enigmail UI would let you create keys?
[21:26] <seb128> robert_ancell, it's over my gobject skills sorry :/
[21:26] <seb128> robert_ancell, but that hack/patch got commited upstream so for some reason it isn't enough anymore
[21:26] <seb128> kenvandine, probably, I didn't play more with it
[21:27] <robert_ancell> We're also carrying a weird patch from Andrea that quits g-c-c while triggering this, which looks very weird.
[21:29] <seb128> robert_ancell, the patch you are refering too is to avoid having a weird path of "click add, gcc -> add account is opened, add the account -> gcc is open"
[21:29] <seb128> too->to
[21:29] <robert_ancell> aha
[21:29] <seb128> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-control-center/issues/16 has the details
[21:29] <gitbot> GNOME issue 16 in gnome-control-center "gnome-control-center windows remains open after using the launch-panel/online-accounts/add "API"" [1. Bug, 6. Component: Online Accounts, Opened]
[21:30] <seb128> but yeah, otherwise you end up having the setting app open on screen where you were just adding an account for another app, which is like "why is settings there"?
[21:32] <kenvandine> seb128: i'm trying this https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4hz4F9RY3n/
[21:33] <seb128> kenvandine, k
[21:39] <kenvandine> seb128: ok, that works
[21:39] <seb128> kenvandine, great :)
[21:40] <seb128> kenvandine, thanks for fixing it!
[21:40] <kenvandine> not sure about enigmail though
[21:40] <kenvandine> it still fails to sign messages
[21:40] <seb128> I will poke at that tomorrow
[21:40] <kenvandine> but it can list keys, etc
[21:40] <kenvandine> ok
[21:40] <kenvandine> thanks!
[21:40] <seb128> np!
[21:40] <seb128> one step at a time
[21:40] <seb128> :)
[21:41] <seb128> on that note I'm going to call it a day
[21:41] <seb128> robert_ancell, good luck with the g-c-c issue, please send me a kick status update via email at the end of yourday, if you can't figure it out/are too busy with other things I will see if someone can maybe help tomorrow
[21:42] <kenvandine> good night seb128 
[21:42] <seb128> night!
[21:42] <robert_ancell> seb128, I'm not sure how successful I'll be at it - it looks like it might be a tricky fix. Got other things I need to resolve to. Will update at EOD though.
[21:42] <seb128> robert_ancell, thanks