[00:00] <Kristine6> I tried to reinstall Nvidia from terminal it didn't fix the problem.
[00:04] <PeGaSuS> hi. I know this might sound silly, but I have a program that uses a binary to update it's own packages. but somehow, it's failing due to a Checksum error. is there any arguments that we can pass in the command line to make said update binary to ignore checksum errors?
[00:08] <Kristine6> Hi, I picked x org server something in additional driver and restarted hoping to disable Nvidia. But next time I logged in keyboard and mouse both won't work. Can anybody help?
[00:24] <Bashing-om> Kristine6: Able to boot to a terminal ?
[00:24] <Kristine6> Yes, right
[00:25] <Bashing-om> Kristine6: Great - and what is your present end goal ?
[00:25] <Kristine6> To make moose and keyboard functional, since they stopped working after
[00:26] <Kristine6> To make keyboard and mouse functional after login screen.
[00:26] <Kristine6> I'm trying this rn https://askubuntu.com/questions/1109400/mouse-and-keyboard-stopped-working-after-installing-xserver-xorg-video-intel
[00:26] <Bashing-om> Kristine6: With the nouvea OR nvidia driver ?
[00:27] <Kristine6> I want to have Nvidia and Intel driver. And switch between them as necessary
[00:28] <Bashing-om> Kristine6: good deal - pastebin ' sudo lshw -C display ' and let's see what we have to work with here.
[00:29] <Kristine6> I'm in terminal in my laptop, so no browser. I'll type summary here from phone
[00:30] <Bashing-om> Kristine6: Ouch - this is going to be trying :(
[00:30] <Kristine6> Ik what can I do?
[00:31] <Bashing-om> Kristine6: run ' sudo lshw -C display | nc termbin.com 9999 ' the result is a URL back in terminal, pass that link back here.
[00:32] <Kristine6> Ok I'll try
[00:32] <Bashing-om> !who | Kristine6
[00:33] <Kristine6> ubottu got it thanks
[00:33] <Kristine6> Bashing-om http://termbin.com/h6rnh
[00:35] <Bashing-om> Kristine6: No nvidia card seen here - what about - lspci -k | grep -iEA5 'vga|3d' | nc termbin.com 9999 - ?
[00:36] <Kristine6> Bashing-om I was following that website, I guess it removed Nvidia driver.
[00:37] <Bashing-om> Kristine6: I would expext to see in that ^ event "unkown" rather than no output at all. lspci should shed a bit more light on the situation.
[00:38] <Kristine6> Bashing-om http://termbin.com/qs47
[00:40] <Bashing-om> Kristine6: :) .. what release is this ? makes a difference where the Nvidia config files reside.
[00:41] <Kristine6> Bashing-om ubuntu 18.04 lts I think
[00:41] <PeGaSuS> so, there's nothing I can do about ignoring checksum errors? :/
[00:41] <Bashing-om> Kristine6: " I think" is not good enough - ' lsb_release -a ' will tell.
[00:42] <Kristine6> Bashing-om Ubuntu 18.04.4 LTS bionic
[00:44] <Bashing-om> Kristine6: :) .. ' cat /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d | nc termbin.com 9999 ' . See here if we have old config files to remove.
[00:45] <Bashing-om> correction Kristine6 !
[00:45] <Bashing-om> Kristine6: ' ls -al /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d | nc termbin.com 9999 '.
[00:46] <Kristine6> Bashing-om http://termbin.com/1op3p
[00:48] <Bashing-om> Kristine6: try ' sudo apt remove --purge nvidia* '. then see if 11-nvidia-prime.conf remains.
[00:50] <Kristine6> Interesting, it's still there
[00:52] <Bashing-om> Kristine6: Not real surprised - lets remove it explicitly ' sudo rm /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/11-nvidia-prime.conf ' . Have you attempted an OEM nvidia driver install ? as be proceed on our merry way :)
[00:52] <Kristine6> Bashing-om I don't think I have
[00:53] <Bashing-om> Kristine6: secure boot on this machine a factor ?
[00:54] <Kristine6> Bashing-om ok just deleted it. I don't understand, what do you mean? 😁
[00:57] <Bashing-om> Kristine6: Late machines that are EFI endowed have secure boot enabled - as the Nvidia driver is 3rd party with secure boot the driver will not build, IF this machine is later vintage need to make sure that secure boot is disabled.
[00:58] <Kristine6> Bashing-om ok, as long as it's safe. It's not going to make my machine vulnerable.
[00:59] <Kristine6> I think I see something about uefi when I boot.
[00:59] <Bashing-om> Kristine6: once the driver is installed then re-enable secure boot . We know the driver is safe.
[01:00] <Kristine6> Bashing-om ok sounds good
[01:01] <Bashing-om> Kristine6: Once secure boot is disabled we proceed. Advise when :)
[01:03] <Kristine6> Bashing-om any recommended way to do it?
[01:03] <Bashing-om> Kristine6: Oh Yeah - I do have a pan :P
[01:03] <Bashing-om> plan*
[01:04] <Kristine6> Bashing-om is this good? sudo systemctl reboot --firmware-setup
[01:05] <Kristine6> I don't think I have done it before, just wanted to confirm
[01:06] <Bashing-om> Kristine6: Got me - I have no access to your machine - every vendor does it differently, Acer is a real pain.
[01:07] <Bashing-om> Kristine6: I would ecpect some way when booting to bring up the firmware interface ( old term bios) . from that interface disable "secure boot".
[01:08] <Bashing-om> expect*
[01:09] <Kristine6> Bashing-om Ok lemme check bios and Google
[01:11] <Bashing-om> Kristine6: Good :) when disabled we proceed .
[01:19] <Kristine6> Bashing-om I think I did. Going to Ubuntu terminal
[01:23] <Bashing-om> Kristine6: Good deal - OK in terminal run ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ; sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall ' .
[01:26] <Kristine6> Bashing-om ok done, no error. I see secure boot not enabled on this system in output
[01:27] <Bashing-om> Kristine6: Great ! reboot and let's see the effect :D
[01:28] <Kristine6> Bashing-om ok rebooted, should I try loggin in from GUI?
[01:29] <Kristine6> Ah yes it worked, thanks a lot!
[01:32] <Kristine6> Bashing-om I see it selected recommended Nvidia in additional driver. So I guess system is using Nvidia right now
[01:33] <Kristine6> Just checked Nvidia x server settings too
[01:33] <Bashing-om> Kristine6: Great ! Glad it worked out - you can re-enable Secure boot.
[01:33] <Kristine6> Great! Thanks, I'm doing it now
[01:34] <Bashing-om> Kristine6: ' sudo lshw -C display ' now shows the nvidia card and loaded driver ?
[01:35] <Kristine6> Bashing-om it still shows same as before, Intel. I don't see anything about Nvidia
[01:37] <Bashing-om> Kristine6: Strange - what shows ' dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia ' ?
[01:38] <Kristine6> However when I do prime-select query it shows Nvidia
[01:38] <Kristine6> Ok lemme check
[01:39] <Kristine6> Bashing-om yes it does
[01:39] <Kristine6> It shows libnvidia*, Nvidia*......
[01:40] <Bashing-om> Kristine6: Humm - as working I will not knock it - but would be nice if I understood why the Nvidia card is not reflected by lshw .
[01:41] <Kristine6> Bashing-om same here
[01:42] <Kristine6> Bashing-om I'm still confused why external HDMI monitor isn't working with it though.
[01:42] <mattfly> im testing 20.04 beta and using apt is extremely slow
[01:42] <mattfly> any idea why?
[01:44] <Bashing-om> Kristine6: external display is beyond my experience range - sorry - can not help there.
[01:44] <Kristine6> Bashing-om thanks a lot for help. Next I need to solve external monitor issue and dual boot with windows 10. For some reason when I switched raid to ahci add more in BIOS, windows stopped working.
[01:44] <mattfly> snap is faster
[01:45] <Bashing-om> !20.04 | mattfly
[01:45] <Kristine6> Bashing-om thanks for the help
[01:45] <Kristine6> :)
[01:46] <Bashing-om> Kristine6: Well, wish NOT that I knew more - left Windows so many years ago and never looked back.
[01:48] <Kristine6> Bashing-om sure, Ubuntu is awesome. Just wanna keep Windows for gaming as a backup, just in case. 😁
[01:50] <Bashing-om> Kristine6: A thought - what returns - [ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo UEFI || echo BIOS - ?
[01:51] <Kristine6> -d command not found
[01:52] <Kristine6> Bashing-om ^
[01:53] <Bashing-om> Kristine6: inclide that leading bracket in the command sequence :)
[01:53] <Bashing-om> include*
[01:54] <Kristine6> "[ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo UEFI || echo BIOS" right?
[01:54] <Kristine6> Bashing-om [-d command not found
[01:54] <Bashing-om> Kristine6: Yup: sysop@x1804mini:~$ [ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo UEFI || echo BIOS >> BIOS . is my case.
[01:56] <Kristine6> Bashing-om UEFI , I missed spaces in coand 😅
[01:56] <Kristine6> *command
[01:56] <Bashing-om> Kristine6: Computers ! They are so litteral :P
[01:57] <Bashing-om> Kristine6: So what does the result indicate that you are booting ?
[01:57] <Kristine6> Uefi is the output
[01:58] <Bashing-om> Kristine6: Well that is correct for you - so much for my last thought .
[01:59] <Kristine6> Bashing-om  thanks👍 next I'm going to add old HDD to this laptop to salvage data
[02:01] <Bashing-om> Kristine6: Piece of cake to mount another file system to 'buntu.
[02:02] <Kristine6> Bashing-om true, I'm just not used to opening laptop and hooking up HDD and RAM
[02:02] <Kristine6> Plus it's a new laptop, so just little concerned. But I think I'll be fine
[02:05] <Bashing-om> Kristine6: :) experience builds confidence .
[02:16] <DarkTrick> I hope this is not OT: The website https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs has a fixed width. It would be nice if anyone in charge could change that. The site doesn't fit on my screen.
[02:22] <edgimar> Does anyone know if there's a way to set a user's credentials so that they can install software via the software center, but cannot perform other administrative tasks or use sudo?
[02:24] <philip> edgimar, you can set it up so certain users can only use sudo to run certain commands instead of any command
[02:25] <philip> now, to be fair, if you let someone run "sudo programx" and programx can run other untrusted arbitrary commands, they can break out of this.
[02:29] <cortexman> https://www.flickr.com/photos/188105686@N08
[02:30] <edgimar> philip, yes, I know you can modify /etc/sudoers, but I don't think that this alone will allow a user to install s/w via the software center, will it? Or if so, what commands would need to be allowed?
[02:34] <philip> hmm I don't have the desktop version of ubuntu installed to see but probably /usr/sbin/ubuntu-software and maybe /usr/bin/apt would suffice?
[02:34] <philip> the user could install something that run as root that elevates their permissions though
[02:35] <leftyfb> cortexman: can we help you with something?
[02:36] <cortexman> spread the word. it's a federal investigation.
[02:36] <leftyfb> cortexman: This is a support channel
[02:36] <cortexman> you're on the record
[02:36] <Gallomimia> hello can someone remind me the for i in statement to use to mount things before a chroot? i'm missing a couple.. i always forget it.
[02:37] <philip> by allowing installation of stuff via the software center or apt, I have no doubt anyone more sophisticated than the average bear can take over your system and get root themselves
[02:38] <leftyfb> Gallomimia: for i in sys dev /dev/pts proc ; do sudo mount /$i /<PATH TO CHROOT>/$i ; done
[02:38] <Gallomimia> thanks
[02:38] <Gallomimia> wasn't there a... oh that's for internet access. i don't need that
[02:39] <Gallomimia> right i need the --bind
[02:39] <leftyfb> Gallomimia: oops, you're right
[02:39]  * Gallomimia shakes more rust off
[02:40] <leftyfb> Gallomimia: it's late over here
[02:40] <Gallomimia> it's been like a year since i did this
[02:40] <Gallomimia> now. if i'm trying to update an initramfs to include mdadm and cryptsetup
[02:40] <Gallomimia> what else do i need to do?
[02:40] <Gallomimia> it's also getting late here and i'm on some robax platinum
[02:42] <Gallomimia> anyone? jump in if you (think you)'re smart
[02:42] <Gallomimia> i did  update-initramfs -u and grub-install /dev/sda sounds right?
[02:49] <Gallomimia> okay. can anyone suggest to me how to get mdadm included in my initramfs?? can't seem to get it to go
[02:54] <sufy> where can i discuss the beta due in a few days,
[02:55] <Bashing-om> !20.04 | sufy
[02:55] <sufy> thanks guys
[03:10] <Gallomimia> well. my /target install doesn't have mdadm in it. or the config files. how can i remedy this?
[03:11] <Gallomimia> it's not only not in my initramfs but also not in the install itself. complete gooberfication i guess. suggestions please
[03:25] <sunkist> I have a handful of identical nodes on which I'd like to install ubuntu unattended so I don't have to manually configure each one.
[03:25] <sunkist> I have done this in the past by hand-crafting a preseed file.
[03:26] <sunkist> I'm wondering though, if I install onto the first node manually, is there a way to extract the options I entered manually and generate a preseed file based on that?
[03:27] <sunkist> I'd like to avoid the iterations I've had to do in the past where I have to guess at which preseed settings I want and then having to iterate endlessly to end up at the preseed file I intended.
[03:46] <cgi> is there a apt install for protobuf?
[03:46] <lestac> o/ !, my parents gimme a huawei p20 lite, anyone knows some alternatives to android linux-based ?
[04:16] <carl_> hi i have a a trouble   on my linux ubuntu im  using a laptop  and my mouse pad  right click do a left fclick but left click do a left click too ( so cant have the  dopdown menue  and i use software i need that  to work
[04:19] <bettencb> did anyone else lose vscode with their march 2020 update? mine will  not open anymore and upon removing vscode to attempt to reinstall it no longer shows up in the snap store or apt store? any suggestions?
[05:33] <andre144k> hi all, maybe someone knows for rsync how to define  an exclude-filter to disable all files/folders which include "foobar" in full pathname ?
[06:09] <LuckyMan> Is Steam supported in 20.04?
[06:10] <DarkTrick> Which system is to blame, if I cannot terminate an application?
[06:10] <DarkTrick> the application in question is nautilus
[06:10] <DarkTrick> but I guess this is a system problem
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> LuckyMan: #ubuntu+1 for 20.04 please
[06:11] <DarkTrick>  / bug
[06:14] <LuckyMan> lotuspsychje, thanks
[06:37] <devslash> just making sure. ubuntu server doesn't have a GUI by default right ?
[06:39] <ansimita> devslash: yep
[06:39] <devslash> it does or does not ?
[06:40] <ansimita> devslash: it does not
[06:40] <devslash> ok thanks
[06:41] <devslash> im setting up a new server. are there any considerations i need to think of when choosing 19.10 over 18.04 ?
[06:42] <ansimita> devslash: kernel and package versions, support timeline are things that I would consider
[06:43] <devslash> im not really sure
[06:43] <ansimita> for example, 18.04 is supported until april 2023 whilst 19.10 until july 2020, see wiki.ubuntu.com
[06:45] <devslash> what about stability
[06:46] <ansimita> devslash: LTS releases are generally more stable than non-LTS releases (LTS stands for long term support)
[06:46] <ansimita> 18.04 is a LTS release whilst 19.10 is not
[06:46] <devslash> ok
[06:47] <devslash> thanks
[06:53] <FrankyGov> heya
[06:53] <FrankyGov> good morning
[07:20] <lotuspsychje> andre144k: maybe #rsync might know more of that
[07:56] <FrankyGov> I noticed that on a new user that I created the nautilus file system does not show me "other locations"
[07:56] <FrankyGov> I wonder if I did something wrong or missing something
[08:06] <bluez_> hi guys, i'm receiving:  "The repository 'http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu disco-security Release' no longer has a Release file."
[08:07] <bluez_> running 19.04
[08:09] <lotuspsychje> bluez_: 19.04 is end of life by now
[08:09] <bluez_> so upgrade to 19.10?
[08:09] <lotuspsychje> bluez_: install a supported ubuntu version from the topic please
[08:10] <lotuspsychje> bluez_: its possible to !eolupgrade, but not very reccomended due security risks see !usn
[08:10] <bluez_> ok
[08:10] <lotuspsychje> bluez_: we advice to upgrade ubuntu before its going eol
[08:11] <bluez_> ok upgrading to 19.10 :)
[08:14] <bluez_> "do-release-upgrade" right?
[08:15] <EriC^^> bluez_: yeah
[08:17] <kubast2> Anyone knows where can I set the default backend for libvirt?
[08:17] <kubast2> *firewall backend for libvirt
[08:26] <osa1> is there a way to get the source of the kernel I'm currently using (18.04) without having to clone a git repo? cloning takes hours and I need the sources sooner ideally.
[08:27] <osa1> uname says '5.3.0-40-generic #32~18.04.1-Ubuntu'
[08:30] <ANub> Hello, I've a query. Can we compile a package (lets say on a test machine) from source code and then make it available as an update for our own APT respository ??
[08:31] <ANub> I know, how to create our own repositories but I am not sure how to update an installed package from a source.
[08:35] <osse> osa1: you can download archives from kernel.org
[08:36] <osse> or the archgive corresponding to a given commit
[08:36] <osse> but ubuntu has its own patches I guess
[08:37] <osse> osa1: there's a package "linux-source" you can install
[08:38] <bluez_> hmm how do i go from 18.04 to 19.10 ?
[08:46] <bluez_>  do-release-upgrade -d took me to 20.04 :/
[08:47] <guiverc> bluez_, the -d option means go to the development release
[08:48] <bluez_> oh
[08:48] <bluez_> so without -d it would have gone to 19.10?
[08:48] <DJones> bluez_: There's no direct way to upgrade from  18.04-19.10, you'd need to upgrade from 18.04 -> 18.10 -> 19.04 -> 19.10
[08:48] <bluez_> ok how do i do that?
[08:48] <guiverc> I believe so (I've only used 18.04->18.10 (next release), but as it's EOL yes it's to 19.10
[08:50] <guiverc> bluez_, be aware; flavors esp. only test 18.04->18.10, main Ubuntu is supposed to go to latest possible release (thus 19.10); but it's been tested less than say 18.04->18.10 was
[08:50] <DJones> bluez_: I'm not sure whether you'd be able to do the upgrade to 18.10 now with it being end of line and no longer supported, if it was possible, you'd have to do 4 upgrades one after the other, it might be better to do a fresh install of 19.10 rather than risk 4 lots of upgrade issues
[08:50] <bluez_> ok i guess i could stay on 18.04 on these servers for now
[08:51] <guiverc> bluez_, 19.04 was tested to 19.10 more heavily too (ie. next release)
[08:52] <guiverc> bluez_, I've been told Canonical did test 18.04 -> 19.10, but I'd assume with 'main' packages only
[08:56] <geirha> why do you not want to upgrade to 20.04?
[08:57] <geirha> well, when it's released that is
[08:57] <geirha> which is mere days away
[09:12] <Aliekezhi> hi, I have troubles with DNS resolution using vpnc with network manager
[09:12] <Aliekezhi> I have the  exact same vpnc configuration on another computer, connecting without network manager and this problem doesn't happen
[09:12] <Aliekezhi> any ideas ?
[09:14] <Aliekezhi> (I just installed vpnc and gnome-vpnc, I restarted network manager service, but maybe there is some other services to restart ?)
[09:18] <r3dux> Aliekezhi: I am not familiar with gnome-vpnc but maybe it requires some sort of systemd enable senario as well?
[09:18] <r3dux> Did you try something like systemctl enable gnome-vpnc?
[09:21] <r3dux> If you have it working on another machine try and think of what is different between that machine and the one you are trying to get it working on... I juggle 4 machines running different distros all with the same environments and find they each do things in slightly different ways... 9 times out of 10 for me these type of issues are random things I overlooked.
[09:38] <StupidLikeAFox> Is there a way to check why my computer last shut down?
[09:38] <StupidLikeAFox> It did a few minutes with zero input from me, trying to figure out what triggered it
[09:39] <StupidLikeAFox> xubuntu 18.04lts here
[09:40] <osa1> osse: thank you! do you know if there's a way to let gdb know of this kernel files after installing it via apt-get?
[09:40] <osa1> bascially I want to see the kernel source when I'm in a kernel function in gdb and do e.g. 'list'
[09:41] <StupidLikeAFox> Was just playing a game, and it did a full-stop shutdown with no warning
[09:50] <Myrtti> StupidLikeAFox: most like overheating then?
[09:51] <StupidLikeAFox> Myrtti: I haven't the slighest clue why, but can't recall it ever doing this before
[09:52] <Myrtti> StupidLikeAFox: is it a laptop or desktop?
[09:52] <StupidLikeAFox> uptime was a few weeks, and before that over a year (extended power outage + ups failure + me not paying enough attention :T )
[09:53] <StupidLikeAFox> laptop
[10:06] <StupidLikeAFox> Nothing in /var/log/syslog that looks relevant or has a suitable timestamp
[10:21] <NTQ> Hi there. Does anybody know if one can add Onedrive to Ubuntu?
[10:25] <osa1> I've installed the package `glibc-source` but I have no idea where it's installed. any tips?
[10:26] <osa1> I'm tyring `find / -name "mmap64.c"` but no luck
[10:26] <Habbie> osa1, dpkg -L glibc-source
[10:52] <jeblad> Did an update, and an animated ant has started crawling on my screen. Seems like some program is infected by a bug. Not one of the more obvious…
[11:37] <braindead_> i can create screencast with strg - alt - shift - r but its not capturing sound. can i somehow include my voice there too or do i need another tool for that?
[11:43] <Aurator> Hello,
[11:43] <Aurator> hope that´s the right place to request for help.
[11:43] <Aurator> I´m a new user to Ubuntu Server 18.04 and hosted some Websites (Apache/MariaDB and PHP 7.4 FPM and Fail2ban with UFW) and gaming servers (small lan tunnel for nintendo switch) .
[11:43] <Aurator> Used borg backup by cronjob every day for take a "not real backup" of all directorys. At the beginning i crashed the whole thing daily and now it was running since last year september without big trouble.
[11:43] <Aurator> Yesterday i updated by sudo apt and the system asks to download some stuff for apache, after this no website runs no log have given error. Well, the decision was clear for me complete new system and start freshly. At the moment only samba running on it because i don´t want to do anything wrong. Can anyone explain me how to backup right way, some people tell me to install virtual system on ubuntu to fast kill in case of trouble.
[11:43] <Aurator>  Some one say snapshots are best and some tell me go make a "cookbook" (write down all what u type in and install... Well is there anyway to get it by Putty with log files ? Or how is the best way ?
[11:50] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[11:51] <jeblad> It is just a coincidence that the bug showed up after an update – it is a real bug. A heavy knock on the screen at it dropped down. Would be hard to debug though…
[11:51] <Aurator> hi
[11:52] <Aurator> @jeblad funny :-)
[11:54] <jeblad> Got suspicious when it looked a bit 3d-ish on a 2d screen. Ant with wings, it dies i a few days.
[11:58] <lotuspsychje> jeblad: focus on real ubuntu issues please
[12:27] <Lynoure> Hello, how is Ubuntu bug triage going nowadays? Can I see some statistics somewhere on how quickly a bug report gets it's first response?
[12:30] <lotuspsychje> Lynoure: there is #ubuntu-bugs-announce if you like
[12:30] <Lynoure> lotuspsychje: you mean this question is better asked there?
[12:30] <lotuspsychje> Lynoure: no, i mean there will popup new bugs
[12:31] <oOBadDreamOo> i have a problem...my wireless xbox one controllers connects and works fine but the guide button opens firefox and takes me to the desktop instead of focusing steam. if the button is held it opens multiple browser windows and eventually locks up the system
[12:31] <lotuspsychje> Lynoure: there is a little pre-team there that helps affect/confirm/reply the bugs incoming
[12:32] <Lynoure> Basically, I stopped being a ubuntu user because after a day of troubleshooting and careful bug report writing, usually the first response came only when the next release came out "is this bug still happening on the new version?"
[12:32] <oOBadDreamOo> hah
[12:32] <DocMors> so who of you is updating his download page every 30 seconds and waiting for 20.04 to appear?
[12:32] <lotuspsychje> !party | DocMors
[12:33] <lotuspsychje> Lynoure: lets discuss this more in #ubuntu-discuss
[12:33] <Lynoure> lotuspsychje: ok
[12:33] <DocMors> well there is no party :)
[12:34] <oOBadDreamOo> ive been here for 3 days trying to get help but not many people use controllers in ubuntu i guess
[12:35] <DocMors> oOBadDreamOo, yeah I have a joystick I can't get calibrated. Really anoying
[12:35] <oOBadDreamOo> even posted my problem in ubuntu forums and the post didnt even get a single view
[12:36] <oOBadDreamOo> the controller works DocMors but the guide button opens a browser and takes me out of steam big picture and if you press and hold it opens multiple browsers and locks up the system eventually
[12:36] <DocMors> did you try check jstest-gtk? There is a button mapping part.
[12:37] <oOBadDreamOo> it wasnt like that at first but something i installed decided to make the guide button do that and i just dont know where to look to find whatever is causing that
[12:38] <oOBadDreamOo> ive looked in jstest but i dont know how to see what each button does or what button the guide button is even mapped too...when i press the guide button in jstest the buttons on the right dont turn black
[12:38] <DocMors> try the gtk version
[12:38] <oOBadDreamOo> yes thats the one i have
[12:38] <DocMors> well there you can modify the button mappings the way you need it
[12:39] <oOBadDreamOo> ill take a closer look at it and try to figure it out...i couldnt figure out how to map the buttons when i looked before
[12:40] <oOBadDreamOo> ill try now and see if i can come up with anything
[12:48] <oOBadDreamOo> in jstest-gtk i think the guide button is 12 but it doesnt light up when i press it
[12:48] <oOBadDreamOo> all the other buttons light up
[12:48] <oOBadDreamOo> so something else is controlling it
[12:48] <oOBadDreamOo> DocMors ^
[12:50] <oOBadDreamOo> theres gotta be a way to see that somewhere but for the life of me im too much of a noob to know
[12:51] <oOBadDreamOo> i bet it was xboxdrv
[12:59] <RadSurfer> how would I place Console/Terminal history into a Text file please?
[13:01] <RadSurfer> Actually, it appears to be quite easy...
[13:02] <grayHogan> Hello all! I am having issues.  I am new to ubuntu, and am transitioning from win10.  I have mounted 2 drives (one was exfat, one ntfs).  I am attempting to use a program called plex, and for some reason, my drives are not showing up.  A more detailed explanation is here: https://forums.plex.tv/t/trying-to-add-linux-drives-to-plex-no-luck/577749/20  any help is mucho appreciated
[13:07] <grayHogan> fwiw, the files show up in dolphin, but not nautilus
[13:07] <grayHogan> files/drives
[13:09] <BluesKaj> grayHogan, you don't need plex to access those files, if that's what you're asking
[13:11] <grayHogan> I am wanting plex (the server) to access them- so that I may host them
[13:17] <BluesKaj> are tfiles on a remote server or just a separate partition?
[13:18] <BluesKaj> or connected hdd
[13:18] <grayHogan> the files are on seperate drives, on the localhost
[13:18] <grayHogan> connected.
[13:18] <grayHogan> they are showing as mounted as well
[13:21] <Atlenohen> Hello
[13:21] <BluesKaj> grayHogan, well if you need plex in that setup then perhaps ask the #plex chat...peronally I don't see the point of plex in that situation
[13:21] <Atlenohen> I'm trying to switch to Kubuntu desktop, is it possible these days without much reconfiguration?
[13:22] <BluesKaj> !kubuntu-desktop
[13:22] <Atlenohen> The info I see says that sudo apt install kubuntu-desktop is enough, but are there any things?
[13:22] <grayHogan> BluesKaj, to allow friends/family to view them?
[13:22] <grayHogan> but yes- I'm on it, thanks!
[13:23] <Atlenohen> BluesKaj: when upgrading what?
[13:23] <Aliekezhi> how can a bug stay opened12 years without being solved ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vpnc/+bug/257451
[13:24] <BluesKaj> Atlenohen, when upgrading packages
[13:24] <Atlenohen> Several guides tell me I have to reinstall aps I manually downloaded, or I have to backup and move their local profile data, is this still true?
[13:24] <Atlenohen> Which packages?
[13:25] <iconoclasthero> hi.  It was suggested by a developer that I seek help for this error:  "$ flatpak remote-add --if-not-exists flathub https://flathub.org/repo/flathub.flatpakrepo
[13:25] <iconoclasthero> error: Can't load uri https://flathub.org/repo/flathub.flatpakrepo: TLS support is not available"
[13:25] <Atlenohen> I've set up firefox and downloade like 1500MB worth of apps, and did some other non-desktop tweaks, I kinda wanted to avoid doing it all over again with a kubuntu reinstall.
[13:25] <BluesKaj> Atlenohen, https://itsfoss.com/install-kde-on-ubuntu/
[13:25] <iconoclasthero> this occurred on both ubuntu 18.04.4 and 20.04
[13:27] <Atlenohen> I guess the question I was looking for was, will all apps and configurations work when I switch to KDE? Will firefox still be configured ?
[13:28] <Xeteen> is there any good open source software to annotate pdfs? All I wanna do is draw rectangles over the important parts of the document but after trying many things couldn't find a good one, I'm using xournal but it doesn't have shapes just a line
[13:28] <BluesKaj> Atlenohen, the short answe is yes, you can choose the DE at login
[13:29] <Atlenohen> Okay will try then, should I get Plasma only or Full KDE, I don't actually care about gnome I want to use only KDE
[13:29] <Atlenohen> I would like to uninstall gnome stuff
[13:29] <m1r0> hi all! i was wondering if there is any way to download the ubuntu installer application onto a non-live ubuntu install?
[13:30] <lotuspsychje> !info inkscape | Xeteen
[13:30] <Atlenohen> to get some space back
[13:31] <m1r0> i'm trying to install ubuntu onto an external hard drive from my ubuntu installation
[13:32] <iconoclasthero> xeteen:  yes
[13:32] <iconoclasthero> try foxit
[13:33] <iconoclasthero> https://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf-reader/
[13:34] <Xeteen> lotuspsychje: does it keep the file in pdf format?
[13:34] <Xeteen> iconoclasthero: tried it but it's shareware
[13:35] <iconoclasthero> i'm using 2.4.4.0911
[13:38] <Atlenohen> BluesKaj: asks me for gdm3 or sddm
[13:38] <PanIncHQ> Is there a way to browse packages in the multiverse?
[13:39] <Atlenohen> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1196008/how-can-i-change-to-kubuntu-from-ubuntu
[13:39] <BluesKaj> Atlenohen, that's your choice to make
[13:39] <iconoclasthero> xeteen:  https://i.imgur.com/cxQs77x.png
[13:39] <Atlenohen> BluesKaj: I have no idea what that means, but seems like sddm is preferred by others
[13:39] <BluesKaj> if you want the the kde login system then it sddm
[13:39] <Atlenohen> That article also says there's duplicate stuff ...
[13:40] <Atlenohen> if you don't remove the gnome stuff first
[13:40] <Atlenohen> so yeah it's going to remove firefox, and then put Knonqueror on
[13:40] <Atlenohen> This is bad, desktop environment should nothing to do with apps
[13:41] <Xeteen> lotuspsychje: inkscape can only do single page documents
[13:42] <Xeteen> iconoclasthero: will try it
[13:43] <Xeteen> iconoclasthero: thanks
[13:43] <iconoclasthero> FOXIT **READER** doesn't appear to have any restrictions.
[13:43] <iconoclasthero> the phantom version is a shareware
[13:43] <Xeteen> oh okay
[13:43] <Xeteen> installing it right now
[13:44] <Xeteen> also my wife wouldn't approve of 500pxdownload.jpg :P
[13:45] <iconoclasthero> i have an old install on 18.04 that probably was there since 16 or before.
[13:45] <iconoclasthero> i'm trying to download it on 20.04 but it is slow...
[13:45] <BluesKaj> Atlenohen, you need to read more about KDE/Plasma DEs and it's packages vs Gnome DE and it's packages. Do some research please !
[13:49] <iconoclasthero> you actually have to look hard for smut on 500px.
[13:49] <iconoclasthero> and that wasn't supposed to be in the screenshot anyway
[13:49] <iconoclasthero> i just installed foxit reader on 20.04 (needed to do that anyway, thanks) and it works fine:  https://i.imgur.com/LkvY7FK.png
[13:50] <Xeteen> iconoclasthero: just tried it works like a charm, thanks
[13:52] <oOBadDreamOo> DocMors i found it. it was a keyboard shortcut. i removed it and the problem went away
[13:53] <oOBadDreamOo> thank you for helping point me in a new direction
[13:53] <Xeteen> iconoclasthero: https://i.imgur.com/HQo1mZL.png works wonderfully thanks man
[13:55] <iconoclasthero> well, while you're at it, check out shutter
[13:55] <iconoclasthero> if you need a decent screen-grab program
[13:55] <Xeteen> oh I have it
[13:55] <iconoclasthero> kk
[13:56] <iconoclasthero> the nice thing is that you can go up to screenshot -> export -> imgur/guest and upload it.
[13:56] <Atlenohen> BluesKaj: Yeah sorry, thanks for the help, I'll never use Gnome so I'll just reinstall it, I didn't lose that much time as I installed it only yesterday.
[13:58] <braindead_> iconoclasthero, what program supports that. shutter?
[13:58] <iconoclasthero> yes
[13:58] <Arethusa> how do I elevate to root for a moment so gdebi can install a package?
[13:59] <braindead_> sudo
[13:59] <iconoclasthero> https://i.imgur.com/akEn0yL.png
[13:59] <Arethusa> right but what options
[14:00] <iconoclasthero> i had been shopping around for a screenshot program and that ended as soon as i found shutter about a year ago.
[14:00] <braindead_> not too shabby indeed
[14:01] <iconoclasthero> you can set it up to actually post in your imgur account but you have to go throught the whole OAuth thing and it expires so it gets to be a big PITA.
[14:01] <iconoclasthero> but posting as guest is easy.
[14:03] <vladoski> I tried to connect with ssh -Y to a gnome-shell. Gnome has not started and my pc froze. Now at startup neither my keyboard nor my mouse work. What should I do?
[14:06] <vladoski> After logging in no peripheral works
[14:07] <BluesKaj> Atlenohen, if you don't have any intention of using gnome then install Kubuntu
[14:13] <vladoski> Okay everything works with Wayland but I don't understand why it doesn't with Xorg
[14:24] <Halcyforn> hello, how i can get log from try connect to wi-fi, i have outlet router and i dont know why i cant connect on wi fi to him i need log from this operation
[14:29] <ioria> Halcyforn, not sure what you mean; but  dmesg | grep <interface>  and grep <interface> /var/log/syslog can give you some infos
[14:30] <ioria> Halcyforn, you get the <interface> name with 'ip a'
[14:33] <Halcyforn> ok dmesg show me is auth problem.
[14:33] <Halcyforn> wtf is wrong no passwords and cant connect
[14:35] <ioria> Halcyforn,  if you use the desktop edition , then  run 'nm-connection-editor' , select the interface and set ssid and password in the proper tab
[14:36] <Halcyforn> ioaria there is no password, linux windows and 4 phones cant connect to wifi
[14:36] <Halcyforn> ok time to downgrade router
[14:37] <ioria> Halcyforn,  open the router page with firefox
[14:40] <Halcyforn> hmm, nothing hange ioria, even router log dont show if you log in on router to change settings firmware is dead,
[14:41] <Halcyforn> dmesg is enought to find error now
[14:46] <akflcar> hi
[14:47] <akflcar> one file opens with emacs but other one in my pen drive opens by default on ubunutu's text editor ?why, both files are in the same dir
[14:48] <akflcar> how was default application decided ?
[14:48] <akflcar> and how can i change it
[14:50] <ioria> akflcar, the easy way, is right click, properties > open with -> set as default
[14:53] <akflcar> ioria: but on cli how
[14:54] <akflcar> which file attributes were changed that ubuntu read them that the application wants to open with emacs or gedit
[14:54] <ioria> akflcar, emacs on cli ?
[14:54] <akflcar> I know how to change them
[14:54] <akflcar> no it has nothing to do with emacs/gedit
[14:54] <akflcar> but how do i change defaults apps on cli
[14:54] <akflcar> it is file specific so where is that data stored , for default app of that particular file
[14:55] <akflcar> someone ubuntu reads some file data that informs ubuntu that it wants to be opened with that particular application... so how does ubuntu know it?
[14:55] <ioria> akflcar, check xdg-mime
[14:56] <ioria> akflcar, with cache files  in /usr/share/applications
[14:56] <akflcar> xdg-mime? the file is on falsh drive so / won't have any data that distinguishes both the files?
[14:56] <akflcar> flash drive*
[14:57] <ioria> akflcar, sy, i don0t get you
[14:57] <akflcar> ???
[14:57] <akflcar> the file is on flash drive not on ubuntu OS... so how does OS distinguish between the two which is emacs and which is gedit application preference,,, so where is the preference known from????
[14:58] <akflcar> what's so difficult to get about it
[14:59] <ioria> akflcar, i told you :  with cache files  in /usr/share/applications
[14:59] <akflcar> ok
[15:00] <ioria> akflcar, mimeinfo.cache, defaults.list, mimeapps.list ; but you can override those settings
[15:01] <akflcar> nope no file name found there
[15:01] <ioria> it's not about the file names
[15:01] <akflcar> I have two files div.bash and cool.bash
[15:01] <akflcar> well then how does OS know which file is which???
[15:02] <ioria> akflcar, it probes data ; something like  :   file  /path/to/file
[15:03] <akflcar> wat
[15:03] <akflcar> which data of the file? I want to see that data myself
[15:05] <akflcar> https://bpaste.net/7OTQ
[15:07] <akflcar> in cool.bash there is shebang line #!/bin/sh which opens in emacs and in div.bash no such line
[15:07] <akflcar> so let's say I change it's application to firefox... then where is the data stored?
[15:08] <akflcar> I don't understand now it's opening in librewriter as I changed it's application...
[15:09] <akflcar> but where is the data stored that says this file name -> this application??
[15:18] <akflcar> ioria: every .bash file now opens with librewriter, but not cool.bash because it has she bang line #!/bin/sh ..lol
[15:18] <akflcar> ioria: the moment I remove that line it opens with librewriter
[15:19] <akflcar> so it's not file specific as i suspected... but it derives data from .bash and shebang. that distinguishes, but you never said that eaerlier
[15:21] <akflcar> ioria: do you feel that I wasted your time?
[16:38] <eugenio_> hi, I was trying to install ubuntu mate on a old laptop, the live version starts regularly but once I start the installation nothing happen after fill the first page of the installation
[16:46] <ddksn> after I updated ubuntu, after installing packages there is an apt-check process hogging resources for a minute or so
[16:52] <syntaxfree> what's a close linux equivalent to irfanview?
[16:52] <syntaxfree> I have a screenshot and want to crop it.
[16:53] <syntaxfree> (I know about imagemagick. I mean quick and easy)
[16:55] <ddksn> shotwell, gthumb
[16:55] <ice9> i created sftp user https://bpaste.net/HYGA  but when i try to login with password, it's still checking for pub key so it gives too many authentication failures without asking for password, any idea?
[17:06] <eugenio_> hi, I was trying to install ubuntu mate on an old laptop. The live works fine, but while I start to install the system it stops after the first mask, do you know why?
[17:13] <Jordan_U> eugenio_: Do you get any error messages? How much RAM do you have?
[17:14] <eugenio_> no errors, 4Gb
[17:17] <eugenio_> Jordan_U, no error and 4Gb
[17:18] <tomreyn> eugenio_: did you check the iso checksum after downloading? and did you verify it was properly written to the installer media?
[17:19] <Jordan_U> eugenio_: Can you post a screenshot? Can you also pastebin the output of "dmesg"?
[17:19] <Jordan_U> !screenshot | eugenio_
[17:19] <ddksn> after I updated ubuntu, after installing packages there is an apt-check process hogging resources for a minute or so
[17:19] <eugenio_> ok let me switch on the laptop
[17:20] <tomreyn> ddksn: yo said so before. do you have a question about it?
[17:21] <ddksn> obviously I don't want it to do that
[17:22] <leftyfb> ddksn: remove the package called unattended-upgrades
[17:22] <leftyfb> ddksn: then reboot and the issue you mentioned will go away
[17:37] <eugenio_> Jordan_U, https://pastebin.com/pGEVW7z4
[17:37] <euxneks> I have a grey screen for video output from a webcam which used to work previously, where do I start for troubleshooting for this? (websites, etc.) The camera is a Creative Labs "VF0690 Live! Cam Socialize HD AF" (reported by lsusb)
[17:40] <ioria> euxneks, don't want to be pessimistic, but your disk does not look good
[17:40] <ioria> eugenio_,  don't want to be pessimistic, but your disk does not look good
[17:49] <nhartman_> Hey all. Probably a dumb question. I have a fresh 19.04 iso that I mounted and installed into VirtualBox. When I run `sudo apt update` I get `The repository 'http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu disco-security Release' no longer has a Release file.`. I added [trusted=yes] to each repo in /etc/apt/sources.list with no luck. I can reach the internet by pinging various sites so I don't believe it's a network issue
[17:53] <euxneks> nhartman_, 19.04 has reached EOL apparently, I got that from my desktop system recently, try using 19.10's live ISO
[17:53] <euxneks> nhartman_, http://releases.ubuntu.com/19.10/
[17:54] <nhartman_> euxneks, thanks for the heads up. That's annoying
[17:54] <euxneks> o/
[18:05] <euxneks> if anyone in the future is reading logs I was able to fix my camera problem by installing guvcview and selecting "Settings>Hardware Defaults"
[18:06] <euxneks> Camera is a Creative Labs "VF0690 Live! Cam Socialize HD AF", was getting a grey screen in all video systems on ubuntu after having accidentally connected the camera to a windows 10 computer (I think windows changed firmware settings on the camera
[18:12] <laerling> Hey guys. I want to do some costly computations in my shell setup, so I put them into ~/.profile (so they get executed only once), thinking that the login shell would propagate it to my non-login interactive shells, but it doesn't. Is that a normal Linux thing I'm just misunderstanding or is it ubuntu-or gnome-specific or something? Thanks in advance!
[18:13] <laerling> It's no different when I put it into /etc/profile.d/something.sh
[18:18] <lordcirth> laerling, Are these computations used to set a variable that you want to be inherited? Are you using 'export'?
[18:27] <d1g1ta1> An fsck operation reported removed some files and hosed Fedora 31 (Ethernet to internet) gateway.  Backups (including Timeshift) did not work (lacked all the needed files).  fsck reported changing some permissions and removing, among others, a file with a 70 in it.  It also appears to have resulted in the network interfaces being relabelled  I
[18:27] <d1g1ta1> tried revising the iptables rules to point to the new .network interface names to no avail.  Am I better off trying to rename the interfaces back to the original names or is there something simple I may have missed that would restore the gateway functionality (internet still works, just not the shared internet gateway).  Original setup was almost
[18:27] <d1g1ta1> exactly https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Internet/ConnectionSharing plus a couple steps modifying firewall files with filenames containing 50 and 70
[18:27] <laerling> lordcirth: Yes and yes. Also I'm setting aliases
[18:31] <d1g1ta1> Or is it time to start over from scratch?
[18:45] <m_tadeu> hi...has anyone seen or know anything about these boot messages? https://pastebin.com/LL4GPfj3
[18:47] <pavlos> laerling: I added export LAER="yes" to the bottom of my ~/.profile, then logout, login, echo $LAER gives me set
[18:48] <GLAT-agent> CHEAP GNU/LINUX LICENSES $49 SINGLE USER
[18:48] <GLAT-agent> PM TO PURCHASE
[18:49] <oerheks> !ops
[18:49] <cnnx> i'm building a system and want to know if the ASRock B450M/AC would work well with ubuntu? specifically the bluetooth and wifi internal components
[18:49] <housecat> heh, the GLAT scam comes to IRC
[18:57] <d1g1ta1> The 70 file was 70-persistent-net.rules (missing an entry) though I have a backup of that file.
[18:57] <laerling> pavlos: Thanks for trying.
[18:58] <laerling> At least I know now that my expectation should be correct.
[18:59] <d1g1ta1> I gather it deleted the network config files as well and that's why it came up with new names.
[18:59] <d1g1ta1> Also, the Gnome network config tool no longer works for the ethernet adapter.
[19:03] <_plasma> Where are 19.04 Disco's repos located now?
[19:03] <_plasma> us.archive.ubuntu.com deleted them
[19:03] <_plasma> can't believe this version is only good for 9 months
[19:04] <kostkon> !eol
[19:04] <ioria> !release | _plasma
[19:05] <_plasma> ubottu: thanks. What's the intended upgrade path from 19.04? 20.04?
[19:05] <_plasma> damn.
[19:05] <_plasma> ioria then
[19:06] <ioria> _plasma, you change your sources.list, upgarde to eoan, then ... you'll wait for the 20.04 path or try with -d flag
[19:06] <_plasma> eoan = 19.10?
[19:06] <ioria> yes
[19:06] <_plasma> dunno how everyone keeps these name to version number mappings in their heads
[19:07] <_plasma> in the past I've had a terrible time upgrading ubuntu. I'll try that though, thanks
[19:07] <ioria> _plasma, ok
[19:08] <_plasma> things usually break
[19:08] <ioria> _plasma, depends
[19:08] <_plasma> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRLEXAFOvkM
[19:09] <ioria> _plasma, yes, kinda
[19:11] <woenx> Hi. I started using Xsane to scan some pictures, because the simple scan software is more limited. However, I must have changed some options and now the software crashes as soon as I try to acquire a preview. I tried doing a apt remove xsane --purge, but after reinstalling it, it seems that it has retained the old configuration. Where could I find that configuration to restore it to defaults?
[19:12] <oerheks> in ~/.config/ likely
[19:13] <woenx> oh, yes, got it
[19:13] <woenx> I just did a "locate xsane"
[19:13] <woenx> thanks!
[19:13] <oerheks> and ~/.cache/ perhaps?
[19:14] <oerheks> no, in /etc/sane.d/saned.conf .. but that should be regenerated..
[19:14] <woenx> it was in ~/.sane
[19:14] <woenx> it was in ~/.sane/xsane to be more precise
[19:14] <woenx> for some reason it survived a "purge"
[19:14] <oerheks> ah nice, i'll remember that, hardly used sane before
[19:15] <woenx> is there another decent scanning software for linux?
[19:15] <kostkon> woenx, --purge does not delete user folders
[19:15] <woenx> ahm
[19:15] <oerheks> well, purge handles packages, not user settings..
[19:15] <woenx> is there an option to delete related user settings?
[19:16] <kostkon> woenx, afaik there is not when dealing with apt. could be wrong though, very wrong
[19:16] <woenx> aha
[19:16] <housecat> apt doesn't touch anything inside user folders, correct
[19:16] <woenx> i thought purge took care of these config files too
[19:16] <woenx> everyday you learn something new\
[19:16] <housecat> nope, just system-wide ones in /etc/ etc.
[19:16] <woenx> Ok
[19:16] <woenx> good to know
[19:17] <oerheks> manually. or use a tol like stacer or a guide like this https://itsfoss.com/free-up-space-ubuntu-linux/
[19:30] <ioria> if there's a way, i guess is via   dconf-editor /org/gnome  , right click and reset
[19:30] <invalidlicensed> You are running non-genuine GNU/Linux copy. PM to purchase a license.
[19:31] <lordcirth> !ops | invalidlicensed
[19:31]  * housecat sighs and pokes staff
[20:19] <oerheks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue627
[20:19] <oerheks> oops, sorry Bashing-om
[20:21] <kevr> Hmm.. my google chrome notifications keep popping up even though i've blocked all https://* in the notifications settings
[20:23] <kevr> Ah, i figured out why. nevermind.
[20:23] <Bashing-om> oerheks: :D At least I lnow UWN gets some attention :P
[20:23] <MancheDePelle> WHat happenend if I install en AMD64 architecture version Ubuntu on a computer with an Intel processor ????
[20:23] <kevr> MancheDePelle: it'll be fine.
[20:24] <kevr> AMD64 is not actually requiring AMD processors.
[20:24] <Bashing-om> MancheDePelle: Same same - the name just belongs to AMD by copywrite.
[20:25] <kevr> same same, but diiiifferent. but still same. haha, man that was hilarious.. damn franko
[20:25] <oerheks> and Ryzen is also no problem
[20:25] <pavlos> Bashing-om: is there a difference copywrite v. copyright ?
[20:25] <oerheks> amd was 1st with the 64 bit standard
[20:25] <oerheks> so
[20:26] <oerheks> copyrite :-D
[20:27]  * oerheks goes back to Focal testing
[20:52] <cnnx> is it ok to regiser a domain with the word the in the front?
[20:52] <cnnx> or looks stupid?
[20:56] <sarnold> thefacebook.com somehow managed to survive their choice
[20:56] <pavlos> cnnx: you mean, theinexample.com
[21:13] <d1g1ta1> What is the best approach to fix internet gateway broken after an fsck operation reported some file system issues and hosed Fedora 31 (Ethernet to internet) gateway (by, among  other things, doing things that resulted in the renaming all the interfaces)?  Restoring backups (including Timeshift) did not work.
[21:14] <d1g1ta1> Original setup was almost exactly https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Internet/ConnectionSharing plus a couple steps involving 50 and 70 persistent rules I don't see there.  Would the scripts at the bottom of the article do an adequate reset to start over?  Is there a way to refresh the OS to ensure no other damage without further bonking config
[21:14] <d1g1ta1> files?  Should I just face facts and start fresh?
[21:17] <pavlos> d1g1ta1: does the disk (/dev/sda) show errors (smart data)?
[21:22] <Hamilton1> Is `$ sudo dpkg -i $HOME/Downloads/blah.deb    $ sudo apt-get install -f` the same as "sudo apt install ./blah.deb"?
[21:23] <jeremy31> Hamilton1: sudo apt-get install -f might be fix broken
[21:25] <Hamilton1> jeremy31, I have a deb file. I want apt to manage it (so I can remove it later). What is the best way to install?
[21:25] <oerheks> apt uses internet, dpkg the local filesystem
[21:25] <sarnold> the apt install ./foo method is one fewer step :)
[21:25] <d1g1ta1> pavlos:  No
[21:25] <oerheks> what makes you think sudo apt install ./blah.deb works?
[21:26] <Hamilton1> oerheks, I don't know. I've used this method for a few apps I sue
[21:26] <sarnold> oerheks: https://github.com/cli/cli/pull/785#issuecomment-615483582
[21:26] <sarnold> oerheks: I'm sorry, this is the better link https://github.com/cli/cli/pull/785#issuecomment-613863662
[21:26] <oerheks> oh .. 6y ago
[21:27] <Hamilton1> oerheks, So you say I should use the first method?
[21:27] <oerheks> thanks!
[21:27] <oerheks> dpkg would be my 1st one indeed
[21:27] <sarnold> thanks to pabs for doing the research on which versions it works, hehe
[21:28] <sarnold> Hamilton1: do note that just because you install it using apt doesn't mean that you'll then magically get updates for it -- apt can only provide updates for a package when you've configured a *repository* for it, in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[21:29] <Hamilton1> sarnold, It does upgrade if I "apt install ./blah2.deb"
[21:29] <sarnold> Hamilton1: sure
[21:29] <oerheks> some downloadable debs like dropbox and chrome, give the repo and the key in the deb.
[21:29] <sarnold> Hamilton1: but you have to be the one to go download those new versions by hand
[21:29] <Hamilton1> Yeah if I wanted auto-updates, I didn't have to use manual deb files
[21:30] <d1g1ta1> Is the consensus that sudo apt-get install -f is the best way to ensure nothing else is broken?  I was able to manually put the network device names back and even fix the GNOME control panel error on eth0, but the gateway still doesn't work despite updating the firewall rules to reflect the one network device name I didn't put back.  At this point,
[21:30] <d1g1ta1> it seems I can either (1) rename the last network device and update firewall rule, (2) run the iptables scripts to reverse the setup at the bottom of the article posted, (3) go through the setup again (but already did most of that) or (4) run the apt-get -f command or (5) start over
[21:30] <Hamilton1> So the meme was right? Debian/Ubuntu has apt, apt-get, dpkg, .... as package manager
[21:31] <oerheks> and snap
[21:31] <oerheks> flatpak can also be enabled
[21:32] <oerheks>  appimage ..
[21:32] <sarnold> and rpm and zypper are packaged, but probably best to not actually use them for managing packages
[21:32] <Hamilton1> I mean I *can* potentially get away from those but having to use dpkg is on borderline for  me a little
[21:33] <Hamilton1> apt uses dpkg inside, why should I be forced to use the lower-level utility
[21:37] <matsaman> Hamilton1: to do what?
[21:37] <Hamilton1> matsaman, To install a program in the most sane/organized way
[21:38] <matsaman> Hamilton1: a program in the repo?
[21:38] <Hamilton1> matsaman, No a deb file
[21:38] <Hamilton1> which has no repo
[21:38] <matsaman> well the most sane way to do that _is_ dpkg -i
[21:38] <pavlos> Hamilton1: you're not forced ... apt install some.deb works equally as dpkg -i some.deb
[21:38] <Hamilton1> matsaman, Then why apt insall ./blah.deb works?
[21:39] <matsaman> Hamilton1: probably because the point of apt is to be a big wrapper
[21:39] <Hamilton1> There should be just one way to do stuff like this
[21:39] <sarnold> because a few years ago someone decided to make that work
[21:39] <sarnold> so taht you wouldn't have to run dpkg -i, have it fail, then use apt-get install -f to fix it up
[21:39] <sarnold> you could just use apt to have it install the dependencies directly
[21:39] <matsaman> Hamilton1: one way to do disparate things is a good way to make bad software
[21:39] <sarnold> and it'd be less typing
[21:39] <matsaman> but stupid wrappers, yeah those are cool
[21:40] <Hamilton1> sarnold, So `apt install ./blah.deb` *is* equivalent to the chain of dpkg -i && -f install
[21:41] <kostkon> Hamilton1, are you asking or confirming
[21:41] <matsaman> the only way to confirm 100% would be to examine the source code
[21:41] <Hamilton1> kostkon, asking "what makes you think sudo apt install ./blah.deb works?"
[21:41] <matsaman> although comparing expected happenings of each command would be almost as good
[21:42] <Hamilton1> matsaman, So it is NOT equivalent
[21:42] <matsaman> Hamilton1: like I said, there is only one way to tell 100%
[21:42] <matsaman> and nobody is that bored
[21:42] <Hamilton1> In other words, the wrapper does not work to the specs
[21:43] <sarnold> Hamilton1: depending upon how broken your installation is before you start, a plain apt install -f might *already* do something
[21:43] <matsaman> I doubt there are any specs
[21:43] <sarnold> I have no idea what apt install ./foo.deb does in that case
[21:43] <matsaman> and you've already drawn a conclusion without doing what I said was the one thing that would prove parity
[21:44] <jjakob> no candidate ver: systemd-services (upgrading from xenial to bionic)
[21:44] <jjakob> the upgrade is still going but I'm a bit worried
[21:44] <kostkon> !info systemd-services bionic
[21:45] <jjakob> ah
[21:45] <kostkon> jjakob, most likely was replaced by something else
[21:45] <Jordan_U> Hamilton1: The two should be equivalent. "sudo apt install /path/to/package.deb" is a perfectly reasonable way to install a .deb package, as is dpkg -i followed by apt -f install. I don't think further discussion of why things are the way they are is productive here.
[21:45] <jjakob> how about other ones that are also no candidate ver? can I remove them afterwards?
[21:45] <Hamilton1> Jordan_U, Thank you I just wanted to know it these 2 are equivalent
[21:46] <kostkon> jjakob, an auto or manual autoremove will take care of them afterwards
[21:47] <jjakob> hmm I'll check then, I think most of them were already no candidate ver when upgrading trusty->xenial (I'm going trusty->xenial->bionic->(eoan?))
[21:49] <jjakob> I did do a apt-get autoremove after getting to trusty and cleaned out old kernels
[21:49] <kostkon> jjakob, like 3 in a row? we'll see
[21:50] <jjakob> yeah lol, this is a noncritical minimal server so it's a test
[21:51] <jjakob> it did nuke one custom systemd service I had so I'm slightly angry at that, but it was probably my fault for not putting it in the right place.
[21:52] <Jordan_U> jjakob: And you're using do-release-upgrade, correct?
[21:52] <jjakob> yes
[21:52] <Jordan_U> jjakob: Great :)
[21:53] <d1g1ta1> -f didn't work, it just says "is already at the newest version... 1 not upgraded"
[21:53] <d1g1ta1> Need to uninstall and reinstall at least 1 application that is down, and then refresh Ubuntu 16 to ensure no other files were harmed.
[21:55] <Jordan_U> d1g1ta1: Please run "sudo apt full-upgrade" but do *not* say yes to any questions it asks yet. Pastebin the full output for us to read here, then we can give you advice for what to do next.
[21:58] <tomreyn> there's --assume-no
[21:59] <tomreyn> also -V can help identify foreign package versions.
[22:01] <d1g1ta1> That didn't do much, it only reported "The following packages will be upgraded:  / file-roller / Need to get 303kB of archives
[22:01] <d1g1ta1> When I said N it aborted
[22:01] <d1g1ta1> Also, my internet adapter and software is down.
[22:03] <d1g1ta1> Is there a repair what's already here option vs try to go on the internet and get it again option?
[22:03] <jjakob> Everything went smoothly to bionic. Need to wait for eoan to get released
[22:05] <Jordan_U> jjakob: Don't know if it applies to you, but I use btrfs on most of my machines and I really like the ability to go back to a pre-upgrade snapshot and try again if an upgrade fails.
[22:05] <d1g1ta1> I think this occurred when I updated GRUB to fix the GUI network error, which it did, but it looks like it removed my internet adapter at the same time.
[22:05] <Jordan_U> jjakob: LTS to LTS upgrades generally aren't offered until a while after the newest LTS is released.
[22:06] <d1g1ta1> I've got ext4
[22:06] <d1g1ta1> And apparently poor backup software.
[22:06] <matsaman> FWIW there are many ways to create snapshots in addition to using btrfs
[22:06] <tomreyn> d1g1ta1: if you have a matching live boot system you can always boot of that and chroot into the existing system and try repairing it that way.
[22:06] <d1g1ta1> That won't work, I still won't have the internet adapter.
[22:06] <d1g1ta1> It's software.
[22:07] <Jordan_U> d1g1ta1: You can convert in place to btrfs, if that's something your interested in. You should really fix your backup software though. No matter the FS / array good backups are critical.
[22:07] <Jordan_U> s/your/you're/
[22:08] <Jordan_U> d1g1ta1: Are you saying that your internet adaptor (USB Wirless Card?) doesn't work from an Ubuntu LiveUSB?
[22:08] <d1g1ta1> Jordan_U:  I will look into that.
[22:08] <tomreyn> i'm not really understanding the setup, i think.
[22:08] <d1g1ta1> Jordan_U Yes
[22:09] <jeremy31> d1g1ta1: can you post URL from terminal for command>  lspci -nnk | grep -iA3 net | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:09] <Jordan_U> d1g1ta1: Sorry, my btrfs comments were intended for a different user, that was talking about upgrading from one release of Ubuntu to the next on a server.
[22:10] <jeremy31> d1g1ta1: if it is USB, do>  (lsusb && lsmod) | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:13] <d1g1ta1> It won't paste due to internet down, shows Ethernet controller [0200] Broadcom Inc. 5764M [14e4:1684] (rev 10) and Network Controller [0280] Broadcom BCM4312 802.11 b/g LP-PHY [14e4:4315] (rev 01)
[22:13] <d1g1ta1> My internet adapter is missing
[22:14] <luna_> 0
[22:14] <d1g1ta1> I have the .deb file and can download it again.
[22:14] <jeremy31> d1g1ta1: check in terminal> apt policy firmware-b43-installer
[22:14] <jeremy31> see if it is installed
[22:16] <d1g1ta1> firmware-b43-Installer / Installed: (none) / Candidate: 1:019-2 / Version table: / 1:019-2 500 / 500 http://us.archive.ubutu.com.ubuntu xenial/multiverse amd64 Packages / 500 http://us.archive.ubutu.com.ubuntu xenial/multiverse i386 Packages
[22:18] <jeremy31> d1g1ta1: according to once source that wifi should work with the firmware installed or the bcmwl-kernel-source package, if you installed in UEFI, Secure Boot has to be disabled for bcmwl to load
[22:18] <d1g1ta1> Is there a way to say "reinstall package xyz from previously fetched local code, do not go to the internet to do the install"?
[22:19] <d1g1ta1> It's a different connection, not using the broadcom WiFi
[22:19] <jeremy31> d1g1ta1: If you have a deb file, you might be able to double click it and I think Ubuntu Software might install
[22:19] <jeremy31> d1g1ta1: can you use USB tethering to a smart phone?
[22:30] <TJ-> d1g1ta1: check if a kernel module is loaded and "in use" for that device. "lspci -nnk -d ::0280"
[22:30] <d1g1ta1> It says it installed (button changed from Install to Remove) but the adapter is not present and the internet does not work.
[22:31] <d1g1ta1> It says Kernel drive in use: wl
[22:32] <d1g1ta1> (this isn't the adapter that isn't working, the one that isn't working isn't showing up)
[22:32] <TJ-> d1g1ta1: does it show other kernel modules as options on another line after that ?
[22:32] <TJ-> d1g1ta1: ahhh, OK
[22:32] <d1g1ta1> kernel modules: ssb, wl
[22:33] <jeremy31> That one should work with either ssb/b43 or wl
[22:33] <jeremy31> d1g1ta1: any results for> dkms status
[22:34] <TJ-> d1g1ta1: so the PC also has a USB wifi plugged into a USB port?
[22:34] <d1g1ta1> I'm not having any issue with the broadcom, it's my non-WiFi wireless
[22:34] <TJ-> d1g1ta1: wooooah!
[22:34] <d1g1ta1> It's not wifi, but yes
[22:34] <d1g1ta1> it is wireless
[22:34] <TJ-> d1g1ta1: OK, I think I know what is going on here, let me explain
[22:34] <TJ-> d1g1ta1: this is on a desktop system using NetworkManager?
[22:35] <d1g1ta1> Y
[22:35] <d1g1ta1> I suppose I could try TimeShift and return back to the broken GUI network Broadcom GEthernet adapter, that would be better than this.
[22:36] <TJ-> d1g1ta1: OK, do this: "sudo touch /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/10-globally-managed-devices.conf" then do "sudo systemctl restart network-manager"
[22:37] <TJ-> d1g1ta1: if it is what I suspect, NM is configured by default NOT TO MANAGE 'wired' devices, and currently that USB appears as a wired Ethernet device. We're over-riding that so NM manages it
[22:38] <d1g1ta1> No change (network disconnected briefly), do I need to reboot?
[22:39] <d1g1ta1> What if we disabled network manager and just managed all the interfaces manually?
[22:39] <d1g1ta1> oh, wait, that uninstalled the driver.
[22:40] <TJ-> d1g1ta1: no need to reboot
[22:40] <TJ-> d1g1ta1: do "nmcli con" do you see any 'wired connection X' reported?
[22:41] <TJ-> d1g1ta1: to be clear, is the Broadcom built-in Wifi working and does connect to the Internet (so we can collect some logs) ?
[22:42] <d1g1ta1> No, using non WiFi wireless internet, which is currently down.
[22:42] <jeremy31> d1g1ta1: some cellular device?
[22:43] <d1g1ta1> The wireless installer is currently stuck on Pending.  It took 30 seconds or less the last time.
[22:45] <d1g1ta1> y
[22:47] <jeremy31> d1g1ta1: Open file manager and eject any cdrom/DVD/USB devices listed
[22:48] <d1g1ta1> Did that and unplugged the device, still stuck on Pending.  Cancel and retry?
[22:55] <jeremy31> d1g1ta1: Try a reboot and after it boots up, then plug that dongle in
[22:56] <d1g1ta1> Already trying...
[22:58] <jeremy31> d1g1ta1: You might want to search for the model number of the device and Ubuntu, see what you can find.
[22:59] <pillager86> what is a good image editor for cropping pictures besides GIMP (too long to load) or Kolourpaint (lacks that feature except creating new file)?
[22:59] <sarnold> if you trust the source of the image, imagemagick is good for those kinds of tasks; just don't run it on images supplied by someone you don't trust
[23:00] <pillager86> ok
[23:00] <matsaman> yeah imagemagick has a real light thing
[23:06] <d1g1ta1> jeremy31:  I downloaded a clean copy from the mfg site (in case fsck that started all this trouble bonked the file)
[23:08] <d1g1ta1> It just says installing and then just goes back to Install
[23:08] <d1g1ta1> Tried with and without device connected
[23:09] <jeremy31> d1g1ta1: can you check SMART data in Disks program?
[23:11] <d1g1ta1> jeremy31:  smart not enabled (it's an SSD)
[23:12] <jeremy31> d1g1ta1: what is the device model?
[23:12] <d1g1ta1> I don't think it's a problem with the disk.  Should I (1) restore from TImeshift to see if it puts it back or (2) try to disable Network Manager and install the device manually, (3) start over from scratch [with a different drive] or (4) something else?
[23:14] <jeremy31> d1g1ta1: If it is a cellular device with a SIM card, you might want to try posting on askubuntu.com or ubuntuforums.org
[23:14] <d1g1ta1> It could be the  OS installed on the drive.  Not having trouble with the device on other systems.
[23:15] <jeremy31> d1g1ta1: can you run lsusb in terminal and tell if the ID numbers?
[23:17] <d1g1ta1> 04e8:6860
[23:17] <d1g1ta1> What about apt remove and then install?
[23:18] <jeremy31> d1g1ta1: android phone?
[23:18] <d1g1ta1> Yes
[23:19] <d1g1ta1> Settings on phone app look correct, and I think the device driver and network adapter show up even if the device is not connected.
[23:20] <sarnold> btw there's an apt install --reinstall foo that is probably easier to use than removing and then installing
[23:21] <jeremy31> d1g1ta1: trying to access files on the phone?
[23:21] <d1g1ta1> N, tether
[23:22] <d1g1ta1> sarnold: works for local .deb package?
[23:22] <jeremy31> d1g1ta1: see if USB tethering is enabled on the phone, might be in internet/networking or hotspot settings
[23:22] <sarnold> d1g1ta1: I hope so :) report a bug if it doesn't, hehe
[23:25] <jeremy31> d1g1ta1: https://www.samsung.com/ca/support/mobile-devices/how-do-i-set-up-mobile-hotspot-tethering-galaxy-note5/
[23:26] <d1g1ta1> jeremy31:  already did, yes it's on, it's actually tethered via USB to this machine.
[23:26] <d1g1ta1> err, Bluetooth
[23:29] <jeremy31> d1g1ta1: I would think it is unlikely that it can bluetooth and USB tether simultaneously
[23:33] <d1g1ta1> sarnold:  apt install --reinstall completed without error, but no device showed up even after a reboot and killng the autostart driver and relaunching it from the cli
[23:34] <d1g1ta1> Still doesn't work.  Should I (1) restore from TImeshift to see if it puts it back or (2) try to disable network manager or (3) rebuild machine from scratch or (4) something else?
[23:34] <sarnold> d1g1ta1: I have no idea what problem you';re actually trying to solve :) I just know an easier way to performa package reinstalls
[23:35] <jeremy31> d1g1ta1: You shouldn't need any drivers in Ubuntu to USB tether to a smart phone
[23:36] <d1g1ta1> an fsck wrecked my install (resulted in relabelled network devices).  I relabelled them back and also decided to fix the broken GUI network item for GEthernet, after doing the latter the wireless adapter disappeared (assuming network manager killed it) and I can't get it back.
[23:36] <jeremy31> d1g1ta1: try a reinstall, see if you can tether to the phone from the LIve ISO
[23:37] <d1g1ta1> Timeshift restore didn't fix the former problem at all, but it might put undo today's changes and put back the wonky names and the wireless adapter
[23:38] <jeremy31> d1g1ta1: Is there a reason to remove the predictable network interface names?
[23:38] <d1g1ta1> jeremy31:  I am thinking of doing a clean install of Ubuntu to a new hard drive and just starting over.  No telling what else fsck broke, and this seems like more work.
[23:38] <Jordan_U> d1g1ta1: Did you say that you have a second hard drive to test with? If so, at this point installing Ubuntu fresh to that drive might be a good thing to try. If you can get that working then 1: You may gain insight into how to fix your old install 2: You can chroot into your old install and have working internet to fix things with.
[23:38] <d1g1ta1> jeremy31:  was hoping it would restore the internet gateway, but it did not
[23:39] <jeremy31> I am going to eat and watch some TV, good luck
[23:39] <d1g1ta1> Jordan_U:  by the time I reinstall to a new drive, if and when it works, I'll be abandoning this hot mess SSD
[23:43] <d1g1ta1> Thanks for the effort.  Say, is there a apt install --reinstall for the Ubuntu 16 that works without internet access just to see if some other file got bonked?
[23:45] <d1g1ta1> sarnold:  and if it works but downgrades to original ubuntu 16 that's fine I don't mind updating again.
[23:45] <Bashing-om> d1g1ta1: ' sudo dpkg -C ' .
[23:45] <d1g1ta1> Bashing-om: ran for 2 seconds and returned to command prompt
[23:46] <d1g1ta1> This was a 14.04 install that got upgraded to 16 over the internet
[23:46] <JadedJ>  Hi my fresh command line install of ubuntu 19 doesn't boot to login screen
[23:46] <JadedJ> How can I diagnose what is going on?
[23:47] <JadedJ> I have to push ctrl + alt + f1 to get to the loging screen
[23:47] <JadedJ> *login
[23:47] <sarnold> d1g1ta1: hmm, that sounds really frustrating :( if your NIC required some extra drivers, you might find them via ubuntu-drivers list
[23:47] <sarnold> d1g1ta1: a reinstall may not be fun but at least it's predictable path forward
[23:47] <Bashing-om> JadedJ: A minimal install does not include a login manager, Is this what you installed ?
[23:47] <Jordan_U> JadedJ: What do you see when you boot? Are you talking about Ubuntu 19.04 or 19.10?
[23:48] <d1g1ta1> sarnold:  I have the drivers, it was working.  I'm just wondering if it's possible to "refresh ubuntu 16 files" without internet connection?
[23:48] <d1g1ta1> Or maybe try disabling network manager to see if it's interfering.  I've had issues with it in the past.
[23:49] <d1g1ta1> Windows has a system file checker that will check files and repair damaged or replace missing files.  That sort of thing.
[23:49] <sarnold> d1g1ta1: not really -- there's usually a bunch of .debs in /var/cache/apt/archives/ but it's probably not *everything* you have installed
[23:50] <d1g1ta1> OK, well, maybe I'll try timeshift restore and if that doesn't work maybe just do a fresh install to a new hard drive.
[23:51] <sarnold> normally people don't bother with backup software for "system problems", just user data
[23:51] <d1g1ta1> sarnold:  timeshift advertises it doesn't back up user data, only system files
[23:51] <d1g1ta1> And the other primary backup failed and hosed the drive.
[23:52] <sarnold> ouch :(
[23:52] <d1g1ta1> Good first part of the week, bad last part.
[23:52] <JadedJ> Jordan_U: Just a sec
[23:53] <d1g1ta1> Thanks, guys, appreciate the effort.
[23:53] <sarnold> good luck d1g1ta1
[23:53] <JadedJ> Ubuntu 19.10
[23:56] <JadedJ> I installed a command line install of Ubuntu
[23:56] <JadedJ> Using the mini ISO
[23:56] <Jordan_U> JadedJ: What do you see when you boot?
[23:56] <JadedJ> I've just restarted and having a look
[23:57] <JadedJ> '/dev/sda4 clean.....blocks
[23:59] <kenwoodfox> Hey im working on a friend's PC, trying to install q4wine
[23:59] <kenwoodfox> q4wine installs on theirs but they have no /usr/bin/wine
[23:59] <kenwoodfox> Mine installed fine, but wine was also installed