[00:00] <kenwoodfox> i cant `apt-get install wine`
[00:00] <kenwoodfox> need some help with this one :/ why is wine not being installed with q4wine?
[00:00] <kenwoodfox> I was able to install wine64 wine32 but q4wine dosent see them>
[00:00] <kenwoodfox> ?
[00:02] <kenwoodfox> and ive got broken packages https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/375055448187076611/701945786765803560/unknown.png
[00:02] <kenwoodfox> darnit
[00:04] <kenwoodfox> https://askubuntu.com/questions/433533/q4-wine-need-help Why cant i run sudo apt-get install wine
[00:05] <Bashing-om> !wine1.6 bionic | kenwoodfox
[00:06] <kenwoodfox> What does that mean? Bashing-om
[00:06] <Ben64> kenwoodfox: what version of ubuntu, what happens when you try to install?
[00:06] <kenwoodfox> Ben64: ubuntu 18, it seems to install with no issues
[00:06] <Ben64> 18 what
[00:07] <kenwoodfox> Ubuntu 18.04.4 LTS
[00:07] <kenwoodfox> Sorry Ben64
[00:07] <Ben64> then why does your picture say cosmic
[00:07] <kenwoodfox> Im not sure?
[00:07] <kenwoodfox> I dont know that
[00:08] <Ben64> what's the output of 'lsb_release -a'
[00:08] <kenwoodfox> Here you go Ben64 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/399040805202952203/701947466366320692/unknown.png
[00:08] <Ben64> why pictures of text :|
[00:09] <kenwoodfox> People yell at me when i post outputs in IRC
[00:09] <Ben64> pastebins exist
[00:09] <kenwoodfox> Ill switch to that then
[00:09] <sarnold> the pastebinit tool can make that pretty quick
[00:09] <Ben64> anyway, some funkiness going on if you have cosmic repos mixed with bionic
[00:09] <kenwoodfox> Ben64: Makes sense, there is some weirdness in the update, what should i look at first?
[00:10] <kenwoodfox> https://gist.github.com/KenwoodFox/3bec271f505fc507bb7a9075246d4e33
[00:10] <sarnold> grep -r cosmic /etc/apt
[00:10] <kenwoodfox> Here's the result of a apt-get update
[00:10] <Ben64> /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[00:10] <kenwoodfox> sarnold: no output
[00:11] <mattfly> how to i upgrade from beta to RC?
[00:11] <sarnold> sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[00:11] <kenwoodfox> Ben64: Waiting to cat those,
[00:11] <Ben64> https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Emulators:/Wine:/Debian/Ubuntu_18.10_standard
[00:11] <Ben64> uh...
[00:11] <kenwoodfox> sarnold: Will run again ASAP
[00:11] <Bashing-om> mattfly: Stay updated is all that is required ( sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade).
[00:12] <Ben64> opensuse debian ubuntu wine
[00:12] <Ben64> bad combo
[00:12] <kenwoodfox> Ben64: Can i remove a repository?
[00:12] <Ben64> yes
[00:12] <kenwoodfox> Command?
[00:13] <kenwoodfox> add-apt-repository --remove right?
[00:13] <Ben64> remove the packages from the repo first, then delete the line from /etc/apt/sources.list or /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[00:13] <kenwoodfox> How do i do that?
[00:13] <sarnold> kenwoodfox: the ppa-purge package may be a better choice
[00:14] <kenwoodfox> sarnold: how do i do that?
[00:15] <kenwoodfox> I need to install ppa-purge?
[00:16] <kenwoodfox> I think i can try purging that ppa like Ben64 said
[00:18] <kenwoodfox> https://gist.github.com/KenwoodFox/ae785191487f6810eb6df850c5a59def
[00:18] <kenwoodfox> Hm
[00:18] <kenwoodfox> sarnold: any thoughts?
[00:19] <kenwoodfox> dang
[00:20] <kenwoodfox> I noticed the issue with apt-get update as soon as i remoted in, i guess this is why my VM and their machine were not doing the same thing
[00:20] <kenwoodfox> weird that the install for q4wine went fine and had no errors
[00:20] <kenwoodfox> i assume it installs wine along the way, my VM did not have wine before i ran the installer
[00:21] <kenwoodfox> Ben64: Ill try your methid next
[00:22] <kenwoodfox> Ben64: Is it ok to just delete them from those two files?
[00:22] <kenwoodfox> Ben64: I cant seem to figurre out how to remove them from the repo first :/
[00:23] <Sven_vB> I have two lists of numbers, and need a table that calculates some formula for each combination. does Ubuntu have a program that can do it easier than writing my own python script to render CSV?
[00:24] <kenwoodfox> I don't want to just push buttons and try things this isent my computer, ugh everything on stack is so outdated
[00:26] <EliteGod> add-apt-repository -r ppa:name
[00:27] <kenwoodfox> I want to remove https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Emulators:/Wine:/Debian/Ubuntu_18.10_standard would i type in ppa:https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Emulators:/Wine:/Debian/Ubuntu_18.10_standard ?
[00:28] <kenwoodfox> EliteGod: Sorry, forgot to reply to you
[00:28] <EliteGod> kenwoodfox: that's not a repo. you've probably downloaded a deb file
[00:29] <kenwoodfox> EliteGod: what do you recomend? Its casuing errors in my apt-get update
[00:29] <kenwoodfox> https://gist.github.com/KenwoodFox/3bec271f505fc507bb7a9075246d4e33
[00:30] <EliteGod> kenwoodfox: do what Ben64 said. just comment/remove the lines that point to there
[00:30] <kenwoodfox> Sure thing EliteGod, one moment
[00:31] <EliteGod> they should be in /etc/apt/sources.list or /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[00:31] <kenwoodfox> EliteGod: Found them, removing the line
[00:32] <kenwoodfox> EliteGod: its slow since im over teamviewer :c bleh
[00:32] <kenwoodfox> Yay now i only get this error E: The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-wine/ppa/ubuntu bionic Release' does not have a Release file.
[00:33] <kenwoodfox> Ill remove that with the add-apt-repository -r?
[00:33] <EliteGod> there should be a line with that too, I believe
[00:34] <kenwoodfox> I did not see it in /etc/apt/sources.list
[00:34] <Bashing-om> kenwoodfox: try ' sudo apt-add-repository --remove ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa ' Only IF the source still exists .
[00:34] <EliteGod> ^
[00:34] <kenwoodfox>  !!! PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS REPOSITORY IS DEPRECATED !!!
[00:34] <kenwoodfox> In fact, it's double deprecated -- it was replaced by the Wine Builds PPA, which was then itself replaced.
[00:34] <kenwoodfox> Oh boy
[00:35] <kenwoodfox> Bashing-om:
[00:35] <JadedJ> How can I disable the swap file in ubuntu 19.10?
[00:35] <kenwoodfox> Yay apt-get update worked with no errors! EliteGod Bashing-om
[00:35] <EliteGod> great!
[00:35] <Bashing-om> kenwoodfox: As I do not wine my advise is limited :(
[00:36] <kenwoodfox> Bashing-om: Thats ok, but now i do need to figure out how to install wine :c
[00:36] <sarnold> kenwoodfox: oh rats, I was hoping ppa-purge was smart enough to handle that :(
[00:36] <kenwoodfox> sarnold: seems to have all worked out :3 But, now i need to go onto the next step,
[00:37] <kenwoodfox> sarnold: I still cant install wine,
[00:37] <sarnold> JadedJ: swapoff -a will turn it off right now, I'm not so sure about how to turn it off on the next boot though
[00:38] <Jordan_U> JadedJ: Why do you want to disable swap?
[00:38] <kenwoodfox> Im gonna do a purge and then reintall
[00:38] <sarnold> kenwoodfox: does whoever publishes Err:10 https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Emulators:/Wine:/Debian/Ubuntu_18.10_standard  have a new version of the repo for newer versions of ubuntu?
[00:38] <sarnold> kenwoodfox: if they do it might be as easy as changing that 18.10 to 19.10 or 20.04 or whatever you're running
[00:39] <kenwoodfox> sarnold: just tried running q4wine and it got further than last time! it included /usr/bin/wine!
[00:39] <kenwoodfox> sarnold: looks like it was able to install wine-stable for itself
[00:39] <kenwoodfox> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/399040805202952203/701955318468313098/unknown.png
[00:39] <kenwoodfox> Im stuck here now but, progress!
[00:40] <Bashing-om> kenwoodfox: What presntly shows - sudo dpkg --list | grep "wine*" ; apt-cache policy wine ' ?
[00:40] <kenwoodfox> Bashing-om: a lot of stuff :c
[00:42] <kenwoodfox> Launching program, it says configuration loading
[00:43] <Atlenohen> Hello
[00:43] <Atlenohen> I can't seem to find ntp.conf
[00:44] <AlecTaylor> I'm getting a 500 server error on https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=expat - are you?
[00:44] <Atlenohen> fresh 19.10 install
[00:44] <Atlenohen> or whatever's the latest
[00:47] <Bashing-om> Atlenohen: ntp is old - what shows ' systemctl status systemd-timesyncd.service ' ?
[00:50] <Atlenohen> oh ... will try
[00:51] <sarnold> Atlenohen: you may be running chrony or systemd-timesyncd, try timedatectl, timedatectl timesync-status, timedatectl show-timesync
[00:54] <Atlenohen> idk but seems like old domains are kept
[00:54] <Atlenohen> still connects to ntp.ubuntu.com
[00:55] <Atlenohen> probably still not transitioned completely, but anyway I don't know the new name of the conf file for whatever is the new default
[00:56] <Atlenohen> is the name Network Time Synchronization ?
[01:04] <sarnold> Atlenohen: the thing is, we switched from the old ntpd package to *two* different services -- one, chrony, mostly for server folks, and one, systemd-timesyncd, mostly for desktop folks
[01:05] <Atlenohen> i find neither in etc/
[01:05] <sarnold> Atlenohen: you can of course still run the old ntpd or the ntpsec things instead if you wish, but it's better to stick with chrony or systemd-timesyncd, depending upon whatever it is you're trying to do
[01:05] <sarnold> Atlenohen: first is to figure out what's already running
[01:05] <Atlenohen> all I need is the conf file to edit
[01:05] <sarnold> and to find that, you need to find out what you're running :)
[01:05] <Atlenohen> whichever it is
[01:05] <sarnold> so try those timedatectl commands I gave you
[01:05] <Atlenohen> yeah i ran it, it didn't mention chrony
[01:06] <Atlenohen> 2 services for time oh
[01:06] <sarnold> how about systemctl status systemd-timesyncd.service  ? what did that show?
[01:06] <Atlenohen> there's so many names, like 10 different names now
[01:06] <sarnold> yes
[01:07] <Atlenohen> how can it be a mystery which one is running, I installed new ubuntu yesterday
[01:07] <Atlenohen> it has to be the default, i didn't do any server stuff
[01:07] <Atlenohen> I better do this in the morning lol
[01:08] <DarkTrick> I'm trying to go back to a different kernel
[01:08] <Atlenohen> I'm searching with dolphin, IDK if this is related but some KDEinit crashed or something, didn't seem to affect any windows/konsole
[01:09] <DarkTrick> I installed linux-image-5.3.0-40-generic. Seemed fine. But if I start that kernel, I cannot use any network devices.
[01:10] <DarkTrick> Is there anything I additionally have to install?
[01:12] <sarnold> Atlenohen: what does systemctl status systemd-timesyncd.service   show?
[01:12] <Atlenohen> services stats
[01:12] <sarnold> DarkTrick: there are matching linux-modules-... and linux-modules-extras-... packages
[01:12] <Bashing-om> DarkTrick: Boot to grub's boot menu and here choose an older kernel to boot.
[01:12] <Atlenohen> it doesn't show anything helpful that would make me find the conf file
[01:12] <sarnold> Atlenohen: does it look like systemd-timesyncd is running?
[01:12] <oerheks> why did you go back?
[01:13] <Atlenohen> but it's here it seems: etc/chrony/crony.conf and etc/systemd/timesycd.conf.d
[01:13] <Atlenohen> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/NTP.html
[01:14] <DarkTrick> sarnold, seems like modules-extra wasn't installed. Thank you! I will try it
[01:15] <kenwoodfox> I have a lot of machines with ubuntu server installed
[01:15] <kenwoodfox> would be nice if i could use their video outputs to display a netdata web page or zoneminder web page
[01:15] <kenwoodfox> without actually having a full on desktop
[01:16] <kenwoodfox> Is there some way to do that?
[01:16] <sarnold> Atlenohen: seriously, if you'd just have pastebinned the output of any of the commands we'd asked you to run thirty minutes ago ...
[01:16] <sarnold> Atlenohen: if you're running systemd-timesyncd, then probably this manpage will help you: man timesyncd.conf
[01:17] <EliteGod> I'm glad that people here talked about timesync.. what the heck is wrong here: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gJGM98xhr3/ ?
[01:18] <Atlenohen> I can't paste I'm not talking from the ubuntu computer and I found what I was looking for, I need the conf files and instead of 1 there's 2 now so that's it
[01:19] <Atlenohen> one of the programs crashed some internal thing, but seems like I can continue
[01:22] <sarnold> EliteGod: firewalls on your local system? firewalls on any routers between you and your NTP server? ACLs on your ntp server?
[01:23] <EliteGod> I think Scaleway does something to their systems. because, as example, for me to bind a program to an IP, I need to bind to the private IP
[01:24] <EliteGod> the one in the paste, in this case
[01:24] <sarnold> ah so this isn't just your home network?
[01:25] <EliteGod> nope, it isn't. it's a VPS running Ubuntu 19.10 (I'll update to 20.04 soon-ish)
[01:25] <DarkTrick> sarnold, thank you! Worked!
[01:26] <DarkTrick> Now I finally have a non-freezing system again :)
[01:26] <EliteGod> but I guess I can still make a "phone call" to an outside NTP server?
[01:26] <sarnold> DarkTrick: yay :) that linux-modules-extra cost me half an hour one day..
[01:26] <CarlFK> how do I find a fs's uuid?  like the thing that is this: search.fs_uuid 3a88dbf4-b15b-4973-b898-5b78fe0613d7 root hd0,msdos5
[01:27] <sarnold> CarlFK: try lsblk -f
[01:28] <sarnold> EliteGod: yeah, if the scaleway ntp servers are down you can try to configure ntp.ubuntu.com
[01:28] <CarlFK> sarnold: thanks
[01:28] <EliteGod> sarnold: /etc/systemd/timesyncd.conf?
[01:29] <sarnold> EliteGod: yeah -- if you're using systemd-networkd, then timedatectl ntp-servers can make appropriate changes too, but it might be easier to just edit the config by hand
[01:34] <EliteGod> sarnold: thanks! this looks way better: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sP63dGQmcp/
[01:34] <sarnold> EliteGod: oh yes, much happier :D
[01:35] <sarnold> and it looks like the clock may have moved by ~seven seconds at the worst. not terrible, anyway :)
[01:35] <EliteGod> yeah. I was expecting much more, because this machine (it has about a week) never had the time synchronized
[01:37] <EliteGod> I guess it's time to update all my machines (I need to take a look at this)
[01:38] <sarnold> to be honest I've always kind of wondered how much VMs actually need ntp on guests
[01:39] <sarnold> if your test is any indication, I think it's evidence that we *do* need ntp on guests..
[01:39] <oerheks> guest looks at host?
[01:39] <matsaman> date -us "$(cat </dev/tcp/time.nist.gov/13 | cut -c 7-23)" in a cron job does the same thing
[01:40] <EliteGod> my other machines seem to be up-to-date
[01:41] <SLegion> Wondering if anyone knows how to run sort in silent mode so it doesn't print output to the screen.
[01:41] <EliteGod> just Scaleway was being weird
[01:41] <SLegion> I looked around for an option but couldn't find anything.
[01:41] <matsaman> SLegion: &>/dev/null
[01:41] <matsaman> or: >/dev/null 2>&1
[01:41] <SLegion> ahh yes, thanks
[01:42] <matsaman> former is bash shorthand
[01:42] <SLegion> it's for a script
[01:42] <matsaman> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redirection_(computing)
[01:42] <sarnold> oerheks: that's the thing; I think ntp can learn how much faster "the clock" ought to be running to keep good time, and .. that feels like a piece of actual hardware that can be programmed, and maybe syncing the vm host would be enough for the guests to then get a clock that's already improved..
[01:42] <sarnold> oerheks: but this is a guess :) I'd like to *know*
[01:42] <sarnold> SLegion: note that matsaman's answer is *right* but maybe not *useful*
[01:42] <oerheks> Scaleway ..
[01:43] <matsaman> maybe not, but definitely useful
[01:43] <sarnold> SLegion: try running "sort /etc/passwd" and meditate on what happens :)
[01:44] <SLegion> I'm just stripping duplicate IP's out of a list.
[01:44] <SLegion> sort -u cidr.txt >/dev/null 2>&1
[01:45] <sarnold> I suggest re-reading that file once you've done that and see what has happened :)
[01:45] <sarnold> you could also read the docs but that'd take away some of the fun of figuring out why your duplicates are still there
[01:46] <SLegion> ugh
[01:47] <EliteGod> you're sending the useful output of `sort` into a black hole
[01:47] <SLegion> yeah I just realized that
[01:47] <lifeless> I seem to have broken cryptsetup prompting on boot - still accepts the keyphrase, just doesn't show it; whats meant to do that these days, and any pointers to docs for making it work in a text friendly fashion
[01:47] <sarnold> hey lifeless :)
[01:48] <SLegion> So is there another way of keeping sort silent while it does it's thing?
[01:48] <lifeless> sarnold: o/
[01:48] <matsaman> SLegion: that is what you asked for
[01:48] <matsaman> SLegion: what is it you want to not see?
[01:48] <SLegion> the stdout
[01:48] <matsaman> SLegion: and where should it go?
[01:48] <SLegion> it's printing everything to the output
[01:48] <SLegion> ah
[01:49] <matsaman> SLegion: maybe you just want sort > foo
[01:49] <matsaman> note that > overwrites
[01:49] <matsaman> >> appends
[01:49] <sarnold> lifeless: I think it's plymouth that does the password prompting, but I'm not so sure how well it works on systems without gui-capable video
[01:49] <sarnold> SLegion: probably you want sort -u -o cidr.txt cidr.txt
[01:49] <lifeless> sarnold: it is gui capable, but its been beaten up by me removing gnome with a flamethrower so that i3 under xrdp can start up properly
[01:50] <sarnold> SLegion: I tested that on a tiny file, seemed fine, but it might be worth testing it on a huge file too, just incase there's soemthing funny about small outputs that lets it work
[01:50] <lifeless> sarnold: (hyper-v VM on a Windows desktop, long story).
[01:50] <sarnold> lifeless: heh, that may indeed be a one-of-a-kind system there..
[01:50] <lifeless> sarnold: tada :). plymouth still - cool, thanks.
[01:50] <SLegion> Thanks
[01:51] <sarnold> lifeless: woo
[01:52] <lifeless> sarnold: its what had me running across https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1766857 as well
[01:53] <EliteGod> erm.. time for a stupid question: taskset -cp 0,2 PID -- to set the CPU affinity for a specific process, right?
[01:53] <lifeless> anyhow, off to poke at plymouth, thanks!
[01:54] <SLegion> 485mb file just dropped to 186, so it's working.
[01:54] <sarnold> EliteGod: without trying, I'd try taskset -c 0,2 -p pid
[01:54] <SLegion> thank you guys
[01:54] <sarnold> SLegion: wow
[01:54] <sarnold> SLegion: how's this file used?
[01:54] <SLegion> Well it's an entire ASN broken down into IP's per line.
[01:55] <SLegion> apache doesn't do CIDR's in redirection maps.
[01:55] <sarnold> SLegion: because now you've got me worried that another bit of code is going to be doing sequential scans through this file over and over again..
[01:55] <sarnold> yikes
[01:55] <EliteGod> lemme try: taskset -cp 0,2 $(pidof process_name)
[01:56] <SLegion> sarnold if you know of a better way to redirect traffic based on IP from one page to another using apache...
[01:56] <EliteGod> I have one bot that seems that doesn't like the fact that the VPS has 6 cores
[01:57] <sarnold> EliteGod: any chance you can do it at a different level? http://ipset.netfilter.org/index.html comes to mind as something that's probably quick -- redirect one of the /16s to apache1, everybody else to apache2 ?
[01:57] <spacefrog> oy
[01:57] <sarnold> yo
[01:58] <sarnold> EliteGod: smack an nginx in front of it? https://serverfault.com/questions/380642/nginx-how-to-redirect-users-with-certain-ip-to-special-page
[01:58] <spacefrog> if i have a virtual host 80, do i need to have a virtual host 443 as well to declare my ssl certificates?
[01:58] <spacefrog> or can i just add entries to the virtual host 80?
[01:59] <EliteGod> sarnold: I think you were talking to SLegion? :>
[01:59] <EliteGod> spacefrog: 80 is HTTP; 443 is HTTPS. those are the standards
[02:00] <spacefrog> fair enough
[02:00] <sarnold> EliteGod: d'oh :) thanks
[02:00] <spacefrog> can i have them both in the same conf file or do they have to separate?
[02:02] <EliteGod> so, to specify was core numbers instead hex, we need to do: taskset -cp core_range PID
[02:02] <EliteGod> tried with -c and -p only and it errored
[02:03] <EliteGod> time to update the systemd script :>
[02:04] <EliteGod> and after this, I'm going to sleep. past 4am and isn't a good hour to think much about Linux commands xD
[02:05] <sarnold> EliteGod: oof :) that's risky indeed :)
[02:07] <EliteGod> sarnold: at least I didn't tried something stupid like adding the focal repos to a xenial system and do apt update && apt dist-upgrade (like I've done a week ago)
[02:07] <EliteGod> you can guess the results lol
[02:08] <sarnold> EliteGod: ooooooh man. that's not going to be fun to clean up
[02:10] <Thete> is there a way to get off -dev channel once 20.04 is released?
[02:10] <Thete> or do you have to do a clean install?
[02:11] <EliteGod> well. thankfully all the important things I need are safe in a external disk. I guess I'll just install a fresh 19.10 or wait a few more days and go to a 20.04
[02:12] <sarnold> Thete: check your apt sources -- if they say devel, change them to focal; if they say focal, you're good
[02:12] <Thete> sarnold: thank you
[02:12] <Bashing-om> Thete: No, keep updated and you will arrive at the "release" .
[02:14] <EliteGod> right. the etc/update-manager/release-upgrades thing is only related to the `do-release-upgrade`, correct?
[02:14] <sarnold> yeah
[02:16] <EliteGod> am I correct assuming that the next normal release will be 20.10?
[02:16] <sarnold> yes
[02:17] <EliteGod> I guess I'll update my machines from 19.10 to 20.04 and then return to the `LTS only`
[02:18] <EliteGod> I've been risking too much lately (especially when I have PPA's added and stuff like that)
[02:19] <EliteGod> is there an easy way to list all the PPA's currently in use?
[02:21] <sarnold> EliteGod: try apt policy
[02:22] <Bashing-om> EliteGod: Also PPAs are 3rd pary and the sources belong in /etc/apt/sources.list.d. Command ' tail -v -n +1 /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* ' to list them.
[02:22] <Bashing-om> party*
[02:24] <EliteGod> Bashing-om: thanks. I'm really full of PPA's in that machine lol
[02:25] <EliteGod> well, not that many: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/MphW2CGQc5/
[02:27] <EliteGod> btw, do we really need to purge PPA's and all of that before upgrading a release? a simple apt update and apt dist-upgrade doesn't solve most of the possible conflicts?
[02:28] <sarnold> if the ppa and third party repo folks have been preparing focal updates all along, it might go fine
[02:28] <Bashing-om> EliteGod: Was going to advise If that many there is a 40 key limit: ls /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d | wc -l . Only 5 PPAs in that directory :)
[02:28] <sarnold> I think do-release-upgrade will disable the repos for you
[02:29] <EliteGod> iirc, it was what happened when I went from Bionic to Eoan
[02:30] <EliteGod> then I'll need to re-add them one by one
[02:31] <EliteGod> sometimes I wish that Ubuntu had RR..
[02:31]  * EliteGod runs away
[02:32] <sarnold> RR?
[02:33] <EliteGod> Rolling Releases
[02:34] <sarnold> ahhh
[02:36] <EliteGod> but well, stability is more important I think
[02:39] <Bashing-om> EliteGod: Maybe RR pathway - https://ubuntu.com/blog/introducing-the-ubuntu-aws-rolling-kernel-2 .
[02:40] <sarnold> there's no denying that the goal of getting new features into each release encourages a focus on delivering something every few months; if it were rolling, with a release every two years, there's a chance we might try to rush everything in at the last minute, rather than through four last minutes :)
[02:40] <matsaman> stability and rolling release needn't be at odds
[02:49] <EliteGod> I mean, I remember that I had to add the oidentd PPA (probably on Xenial) because I was needing it due to the `forward` feature and it wasn't available in the standard package
[02:51] <EliteGod> it would be nice that every time a package is updated it would be automatically backported(?) to every release that wasn't yet EOL
[02:52] <EliteGod> time to sleep! laters
[02:56] <matsaman> EliteGod: yeah it'd be nice if nobody had to do work to package packages
[02:57] <matsaman> but people aren't that good at authoring software, so that's not hardly a thing
[03:53] <nshire> I put my vm on a nvme ssd and its so much faster, not sure why
[03:53] <nshire> even just stuff like using chrome feels faster
[04:06] <HacKDarK> Hola
[04:06] <HacKDarK> Alguien en español?
[04:06] <HacKDarK> Necesito ayuda para recuperar el canal
[04:08] <Bashing-om> !es | HacKDarK
[04:33] <HacKDarK> hi
[04:33] <HacKDarK> No one answers me on the Ubuntu-es channel
[04:34] <HacKDarK> I need help to recover the Ubuntu-uy channel
[04:35] <HacKDarK> Apparently my username was removed. My email is still associated with the channel.
[04:36] <HacKDarK> But my nick no, I had to register it again a few minutes ago.
[04:38] <HacKDarK> I lost ALL channel permissions. And when trying to send me the data again via email, he says that my nick was not associated.
[04:39] <guiverc> HacKDarK, if you're talking about issues on here (freenode), it's possibly freenode you should be talking to, seeking help from
[04:40] <el> HacKDarK: hi can you come to #ubuntu-irc please :)
[04:40] <el> we will talk about it there
[04:40] <housecat> guiverc: #freenode would tell them to talk to the Ubuntu group contacts, two of whom just appeared in here ;)
[04:40] <guiverc> okay sorry (housecat)
[04:40] <HacKDarK> yes housecat
[04:41] <HacKDarK> they sent me here
[04:41] <housecat> HacKDarK: /join #ubuntu-irc, we'll discuss there
[04:41] <housecat> #ubuntu is just for tech support
[04:43] <Znorux> Hey how is it going guys
[04:49] <el> Znorux: hi was there something you needed?
[04:53] <Znorux> Hey @el
[04:53] <Znorux> Just wanting to chat
[04:53] <Znorux> I am thinking going into ubuntu and go to the terminal again
[04:53] <Znorux> Used to use it in a really basic way but... want to go back to those days
[04:53] <Znorux> What can you recommend me?
[04:53] <el> Znorux: oh, this is a tech support channel, for non-support chat we have #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:54] <el> recommend? like a book?
[05:00] <Znorux> Oh damn sorry about this. Thank you
[05:08] <nshire> hm for some reason my python program isn't showing in system monitor
[05:08] <nshire> oh do superuser processes not show in non-sudoed system monitor?
[05:09] <nshire> its showing in htop
[05:59] <e-i-k-e> can somone confirm, that when enabling full disk encryption on an SSD in the initial setup, the installer sets the "discard" option in /etc/crypttab?
[06:01] <e-i-k-e> I think this is a bad idea, isn't it?
[06:01] <e-i-k-e> okay, just noticed #ubuntu-installer. will report it there
[06:25] <nshire> I'm trying to read an address range of a block device by doing "head -c [endbyte] | tail -c [startbyte] but there's no way it will complete since it's around the 6 billion address range
[06:25] <nshire> sorry 60 billion
[06:25] <nshire> and I'll run out of ram way before that
[06:25] <nshire> *already ran out of ram
[06:25] <TJ-> nshire: why use those and not 'dd' ?
[06:26] <nshire> can I use dd to just write something to terminal?
[06:26] <johnjay> does ubuntu still use Upstart?
[06:26] <nshire> oh I guess I just set the output file as terminal... not sure how thou
[06:26] <TJ-> nshire: its output is to stdout unless specifying some other with of= (output file)
[06:26] <ducasse> johnjay: not any longer
[06:26] <nshire> ah cool thanks
[06:26] <johnjay> I'm trying to understand the preferred way to run startup scripts on ubuntu. I have no /etc/rc.local
[06:28] <ducasse> !systemd | johnjay
[06:45] <cadabrax> Hi, is there a way to change the proxy settings for the whole OS via command line?
[06:46] <cadabrax> I'm not talking about the HTTP_PROXY env vars, I mean at the OS level, what you set in Settings > Network > etc
[06:54] <TJ-> Any ideas why CUPS web-admin (localhost:631) and the CUPS cli tools (lpotions, lp, etc.) disagree on what the default printer is? Set it via the web-admin interface but lpoptions still thinks its the original
[06:57] <Rozha> hallo
[06:59] <Rozha> need help
[07:00] <augz> send help
[07:00] <augz> .doobie Rozha
[07:00] <ducasse> Rozha: ask your question, be detailed and wait for a response
[07:28] <Seveas> cadabrax: there's no such things as 'proxy settings for the whole os'
[07:29] <Seveas> what you set in that interface is changeable with `nmcli`, but that chages things only for applications which respect that setting
[07:29] <lotuspsychje> maybe he means tunnel every app
[08:02] <cadabrax> Seveas: I'm looking for a way to programatically change the setting that the Settings > Network proxy dialog changes because for isntance Firefox is set to "use system settings", and changing the env vars only affect terminal applications.
[08:03] <Seveas> cadabrax: as I said, that can be done with nmcli from a shellscript
[08:03] <cadabrax> ok thanks
[08:03] <Seveas> if you are programming in another language, there's probably bindings for the networkmanager d-bus api you can use.
[08:03] <cadabrax> nah it's just a bash script
[08:26] <maxrazer> Is anyone able to run the "snipes" game from the snap repository? For me I get errors libGL no matching fbConfigs or visuals found. LibGL failed to load driver: swrast, SDL_CreateRenderer: Couoldn't find matching render driver.
[09:03] <two4tea> Hi All
[09:03] <luna_> hi
[09:04] <two4tea> Got a small issue that I don't understand, I've setup a loopback interface to use with GNS3 of 10.100.100.1/24
[09:05] <two4tea> and I set my virtual router to use 10.100.100.254/24 but, I can from my terminal on Ubuntu ping every ip address in the range from 10.100.100.1-254, even though they don't exist?
[09:06] <two4tea> What am I doing wrong here?
[09:07] <two4tea> Or maybe a better question would be, why is my loopback interface responding to every IP address in its range?
[09:28] <tatertots> it helps to have a clear objective you want to accomplish in GNS3, doesn't sound like you've gotten to creating a simulated topology yet to practice on
[09:43] <anonymouse_> Hello friends, has anyone had any luck while trying to install Ubuntu on the 16 inch MacBook Pro?
[09:45] <soon> Installing 20.04 (beta) on a Lenovo P52s -- It just hangs at formatting the ext4 partition. I've tried UEFI and Legacy. I've tried manually formatting.
[09:45] <soon> Any suggestions what to do or look for?
[09:45] <anonymouse_> Have you tried using GParted?
[09:46] <anonymouse_> @soon
[09:46] <soon> anonymouse_: no i've used the installers disk partitioner
[09:46] <soon> no true ... i did actually
[09:46] <soon> but without re-formating the drive
[09:48] <anonymouse_> soon I have found gparted to be very reliable for partitioning especially when the default disk utilities fail. It used to be bundled with the official distros and might still be there when you boot in the live version.
[09:48] <soon> I'll try it. Should I retain the efi type partition or just nuke it? I can live without uefi
[09:48] <ntz> hello
[09:48] <DJones> soon: Its probably best asking in #ubuntu+1 for any 20.04 queries, thats where the people who have been testing it are most likely to be
[09:49] <soon> right you are .. sory about that
[09:49]  * soon is off to Ubuntu+1
[09:50] <ntz> can somebody confirm ... when using latest ESR Thunderbird 68.x there is bug in the predefined colours in composer selection: https://infophagia.com/ntz/paste/Screenshot_20200407_103127.png .. in older TB (60.x) it looked like this: https://infophagia.com/ntz/paste/Screenshot_20200407_103832.png
[09:50] <ntz> to verify just hit write new message in TB and check the button for selecting text colour in composer
[10:06] <Conna> Halo
[10:07] <Conna> still waiting for Ubuntu and variant 20.04 :)
[10:07] <luna_> Conna: coming on Thursday evening
[10:09] <Conna> Ok Luna
[10:29] <leonardus> in the case of disk encryption, is there anyone stopping someone from overwriting the bootloader with a malicious bootloader that steals the password and passes it onto the real bootloader?
[10:32] <YeOldHinnerk> Hi, I have an ubuntu server with ipmi - however I don't have access to ipmi anmore. Anyway to reset ipmi without hurting my installation? Not sure if I'm right here - it is not strictly a ubuntu question, but maybe someone has a similar setup?
[10:33] <YeOldHinnerk> Not having access means I forgot the password :)
[10:33] <YeOldHinnerk> (and even username, though I have a few valid guesses for that)
[10:35] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[10:36] <grawity> YeOldHinnerk: do you have root access to the server itself?
[10:36] <grawity> YeOldHinnerk: on my own servers (i.e. where I own the hardware), ipmi can be accessed from within the OS (through a driver) and that doesn't require any authentication
[10:38] <grawity> basically you can `ipmitool user list 2` etc. without specifying any hostname
[10:51] <r15> Hi Ubuntu, how to get/install the driver on ubuntu 18.04 for VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GP102 [GeForce GTX 1080 Ti] [10de:1b06]
[10:51] <YeOldHinnerk> I have access to ubuntu via ssh as root
[10:52] <r15> already tried sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall
[10:52] <YeOldHinnerk> At this point I only have access to IPMI via webpage and am missing a login
[10:53] <r15> nvidia-smi gives no suitable driver found error
[10:53] <YeOldHinnerk> I installed ipmitool on my server just now, but it does not recognize the host
[10:55] <grawity> is it the hosting provider's custom webpage, or are you directly connecting to the BMC's webpage?
[10:55] <grawity> if you're using the hoster's custom management system that's a different story entirely...
[10:56] <YeOldHinnerk> I have to admit I don't know much about ipmi
[10:57] <YeOldHinnerk> It is a supermicro login page from my server
[10:57] <YeOldHinnerk> there is no hoster
[10:57] <YeOldHinnerk> the server is on my premises
[10:57] <grawity> ah
[10:57] <grawity> dunno, only dealt with hp and dell here
[10:57] <YeOldHinnerk> ok, thx for trying
[10:58] <grawity> is there a /dev/ipmi0 on the server?
[10:58] <toffe> hi any tip on how to get OpenJDK 1.7 installed on Ubuntu 19.10 ? Been struggeling with a whole lot of guides but all fails with nonexisting dependencies or nonexisting packages or bad repos e.t.c.
[10:58] <Guest7315> Im on ubuntu 20.04, in gnome-tweaks I have disabled middle click paste but it still pastes on middle click... wtf?
[10:58] <YeOldHinnerk> yes
[10:59] <grawity> Guest7315: the setting mainly affects just gtk3-based programs, many others (gtk2, qt, custom) don't care about it
[10:59] <grawity> YeOldHinnerk: what do you get from `ipmitool lan print 1`?
[11:00] <grawity> not the specific output, but generally does it return information or does it show an error
[11:00] <YeOldHinnerk> Could not open device at /dev/ipmi0 or /dev/ipmi/0 or /dev/ipmidev/0: No such file or directory
[11:00] <YeOldHinnerk> but I see /dev/ipmi0
[11:01] <ylwghst> Hi all, I've got two GPUs Radeon RX590 and RX570 a put both to them into two PCIe slots into motherboard. I would like to use both of them for OpenCL. How can I achieve that? Currently I'm seeing only the RX590 within the system.
[11:01] <YeOldHinnerk> my mistake
[11:01] <YeOldHinnerk> forgot sudo
[11:01] <YeOldHinnerk> now:
[11:02] <YeOldHinnerk> it is a bit longer feedback
[11:02] <grawity> and if everything else fails, I assume supermicro lets you reset the BMC through the server's boot process or through a jumper or something? I mean, hp does
[11:02] <YeOldHinnerk> I'll send you pm
[11:02] <grawity> just go straight to `ipmitool user list 1`
[11:02] <Guest7315> grawity: Ah okay
[11:02] <grawity> (or 0 or 2 or whichever channel it wants)
[11:03] <Heaton-IR> clear
[11:03] <YeOldHinnerk> ok, now i have the login confirmed
[11:03] <Heaton-IR> Hello
[11:03] <grawity> ipmitool user set password <user_id_number> <new_password>
[11:04] <YeOldHinnerk> you know what, now that I had the login (which was only on number 3 or 4 of my guess list), I tried a couple of pw and it worked!
[11:04] <YeOldHinnerk> Thank you for your help!
[11:06] <YeOldHinnerk> what a relief
[11:07] <asdfgh> hello everybody, i need your help... i need to manage a high number of documents (json objects) and create live (remember "live") statistics for a website. Unfortunately postgres is not a solution, i tried it, with the support of #postgres too, the queries are slow because i need many (slices) WINDOW-FUNCTION. So, for a live solution is not possible. I also thought about OLAP database, but i never used it...i do not know, what solution can i use to
[11:07] <asdfgh> create statistics of huge amount of data?
[11:07] <asdfgh> (LIVE-statistics)
[11:08] <strk> E: The repository 'http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu disco-security Release' no longer has a Release file.
[11:09] <grawity> ...my completely wild guess is that it's out of support and no longer receives security updates, thus the repository has been closed?
[11:11] <eugenio_> Jordan_U, hi did you see the pastebin of my syslog? it was about a failure installation of ubuntu mate in an old laptop
[11:23] <matt|home> i seem to have installed a package i no longer need, and would like to remove.. but apparently it's a virtual one meaning i can't delete it. this is preventing me from doing any updates or upgrades to my package repo
[11:23] <matt|home> E: The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/wine/wine-builds/ubuntu bionic Release' does not have a Release file.
[11:23] <matt|home> what do i need to do to remove wine in this case so i can do a proper upgrade?
[11:30] <Rozha> hi
[11:30] <Rozha> need help
[11:30] <Rozha> ● apache2.service - The Apache HTTP Server
[11:30] <Rozha> Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/apache2.service; enabled; vendor preset: enabled)
[11:30] <Rozha> Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Tue 2020-04-21 11:26:41 UTC; 65ms ag o
[11:30] <Rozha> Docs: https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/
[11:30] <Rozha> Process: 22474 ExecStart=/usr/sbin/apachectl start (code=exited, status=1/FAIL URE)
[11:30] <geirha> matt|home: I'd try ppa-purge
[11:31] <EriC^^> matt|home: i think you need to re-add the ppa,then purge it using ppa-purge as suggested
[11:31] <EriC^^> add then apt update
[11:31] <matt|home> thanks
[11:32] <matt|home> just one last thing..
[11:32] <Rozha> geheimnis`can u help me ?
[11:33] <matt|home> i was trying to install world of warcraft and battlenet through wine, i still see the icons on the menu screen.. and i'd like to get rid of it since they take up a lot of disk space, but i have no idea where they're stored or how to get rid of them since they're not packages
[11:33] <matt|home> should i just grep for those strings and remove those dirs?
[11:35] <EriC^^> matt|home: that sounds reasonable
[11:36] <geirha> by default, wine stores the installed files in ~/.wine/, and the desktop entries should be under ~/.share/applications/
[11:36] <grawity> they're in your wineprefix (probably ~/.wine/)
[11:36] <matt|home> ah i already got those then, thank you
[11:36] <grawity> running `wine uninstaller` would give you the usual "Add/Remove Programs", but if you awant you can just nuke the whole directory
[11:38] <matt|home> root@rfranklin:/home/matt# ppa-purge ppa:lutris-team/lutris && ppa-purge ppa:wine/wine-builds
[11:38] <matt|home> Updating packages lists
[11:38] <matt|home> E: The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/wine/wine-builds/ubuntu bionic Release' does not have a Release file.
[11:38] <matt|home> Warning:  apt-get update failed for some reason
[11:39] <matt|home> ?
[11:40] <ioria> the last version supported is zesty (17.04) matt|home
[11:40] <matt|home> so i can't purge the ppa because it can't be updated, and it can't be updated because it doesn't have a release file, and i can't manually remove it
[11:40] <matt|home> what do i do
[11:40] <EriC^^> matt|home: bionic seems missing in http://ppa.launchpad.net/wine/wine-builds/ubuntu
[11:41] <matt|home> right..
[11:41] <matt|home> so how do i get rid of this..
[11:42] <EriC^^> i guess you could manually remove it, and then run autoremove and call it a day, maybe someone has a better idea though
[11:42] <ioria> matt|home, get the release file from /var/lib/apt/lists
[11:42] <geirha> first off, which wine packages are currently installed?   dpkg -l 'wine*'
[11:42] <Rozha> some one can hlp
[11:42] <Rozha> Apr 21 11:38:42 fromhell systemd[1]: Failed to start The Apache HTTP Server.
[11:42] <matt|home> geirha , none. i deleted them
[11:43] <matt|home> ioria , what am i looking for..
[11:43] <ioria> matt|home, aline likethis : /var/lib/apt/lists/ppa.launchpad...blah
[11:43] <matt|home> yeah
[11:43] <geirha> if they're removed, then disabling the ppa should suffice
[11:43] <matt|home> i see it
[11:44] <geirha> as far as I can tell all packages in that ppa starts with "wine", so that dpkg -l should've caught any lingering packages
[11:44] <Rozha> some one can help
[11:44] <matt|home> so just delete the ppa files and that should be good
[11:44] <ioria> probably, but you can't be sure
[11:45]  * matt|home sighs
[11:45] <matt|home> same error message
[11:45] <ioria> matt|home,  paste  'ls /var/lib/apt/lists'
[11:45] <Rozha> ioria can u help ?
[11:46] <matt|home> oh that's interesting.
[11:46] <BluesKaj> !ppa-purge
[11:46] <matt|home> Rozha , try ##apache for help with the webserver? i might be able to help you out if i can figure this out
[11:48] <matt|home> ioria : when i try deleting the ppa. files in that directory, they come right back.
[11:48] <ioria> matt|home,  paste  'ls /var/lib/apt/lists'
[11:48] <matt|home> there's four of them
[11:48] <matt|home> sure
[11:48] <matt|home> https://pastebin.com/YphU2bJ9
[11:49] <ioria> matt|home,  of cource there is no wine-builds in there
[11:50] <geirha> matt|home: perhaps you had multiple entries of that ppa? see if this shows any:  tail -n+1 /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list
[11:50] <ioria> matt|home,   also apt-forktracer might help
[11:51] <matt|home> im very confused..
[11:51] <matt|home> so there are two types of repos.. the official ones and the unofficial ones you can manually add. i thought i deleted all the files related to the unofficial one i installed, but evidently not.. why exactly am i being prevented from updating and removing whatever's left over?
[11:55] <ioria> matt|home, i don't think you might have installed something from that ppa (wine-builds), unless you upgrading from zesty
[11:56] <matt|home> uh.. i don't remember doing anything like a system upgrade. i tried installing wine like a week ago
[11:56] <ioria> matt|home,   cat /var/log/installer/media-info
[11:56] <matt|home> Ubuntu 18.04.3 LTS "Bionic Beaver" - Release amd64 (20190805)
[11:57] <ioria> matt|home,  apt-forktracer | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:58] <matt|home> https://termbin.com/aigdt
[11:59] <matt|home> i assume i can't just do something like ppa-purge * right..
[12:01] <ioria> matt|home, i can see nothing : apt-cache policy   libdvdcss-dev
[12:02] <matt|home> https://pastebin.com/KMV5JtLB
[12:03] <matt|home> https://pastebin.com/JJqCgNbj <-- still getting that stupid error :<
[12:03] <ioria> matt|home, have you removed the source ?
[12:04] <matt|home> i don't know.. how would i do that
[12:06] <ioria> matt|home,  check sources.list file and sources.list.d directory
[12:06] <ioria> grep -r -i ppa /etc/apt/
[12:07] <matt|home> yes. deleting the files in sources.list.d seems to have worked
[12:08] <matt|home> Binary file /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/lutris-team_ubuntu_lutris.gpg matches
[12:08] <matt|home> Binary file /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/wine_ubuntu_wine-builds.gpg matches
[12:08] <matt|home> root@rfranklin:~#
[12:08] <matt|home> delete those too?
[12:08] <ioria> only the wine-builds one
[12:09] <matt|home> gotcha. alright, everything seems to be working perfectly fine now. thanks ioria , i really owe you one :<
[12:09] <ioria> no prob
[12:09] <matt|home> im surprised it was that complex to remove a package
[12:10] <matt|home> now i just have to figure out where the icons on the menu screen are stored and get rid of those..
[12:11] <matt|home> ioria , let me know if you ever need help with anything okay
[12:11] <ioria> matt|home, ok, tx; icons depend of what Desktop is in use andwhat kind of menu have you instlled
[12:12] <matt|home> uh, whatever the default that came with the install. pretty sure this is gnome. but it doesn't matter at all
[12:13] <ioria> matt|home, so with menu , you mean 'Show Applications' ?
[12:13] <matt|home> yeah. i see icons for battlenet and world of warcraft
[12:13] <ioria> matt|home, then check ~/local/share/applications directory
[12:14] <ioria> matt|home,   ~/.local/share/applications
[12:14] <matt|home> got it, thanks :D
[12:14] <ioria> matt|home,  if nothing in there : /usr/share/applications
[12:15] <matt|home> and i found out what was taking up 300GB of space too
[12:15] <matt|home> perfect
[12:15] <interrobangd> hallo - ich bin gerade am Grübeln , will ein timestamp auf einem dateinamen in ein lesbares format wandeln, der am anfang einer datei steht. so klappt das aber nicht: ls -1 | awk -F '_' '{date -d "@"$1}'
[12:15] <interrobangd> .. kennt sich da jemand aus?
[12:16] <matt|home> .. really regretting me failing german
[12:17] <matt|home> interrobangd
[12:19] <interrobangd> echo 1587551580_f9440dc2b1134a5d83fcf05ca51ffb11 | awk -F '_' '{print "@"$1}' | date -d -
[12:19] <matt|home> https://pastebin.com/FAjTsg4k
[12:19] <interrobangd> output should be date -d @1587551580
[12:29] <geirha> -f - not -d -
[12:32] <geirha> and if you have GNU awk installed, it has a strftime() function. e.g.  gawk -F '_' '{print strftime("%Y-%m-%dT%H:%M:%S", $1)}'
[12:39] <interrobangd> geirha, thanks!
[13:00] <qwerty> hello i got encounter problem my ubuntu linux 19.04 kernel version :-5.0.0.-13-generic , while i reboot my machine while booting splashing screen and i won't able to login my gui mode and my run level is 5, bro my issue could you please help me outplease someone help me
[13:01] <qwerty> will anyone help me out , that would be very appreciate.
[13:02] <SWTUSDJSDSUFDSFD> Hello BoYs AnD GirlS, wHen Is UbUnTu 20.04 CoMiNg OuT?>!??
[13:02] <lotuspsychje> !party | SWTUSDJSDSUFDSFD
[13:02] <qwerty> 24 april 2020 is rolling out ubuntu 20.04 lts by official ubuntu
[13:03] <qwerty> i  hope so
[13:03] <_aFirstInChannel> thaNXxxxX
[13:03] <lotuspsychje> qwerty: 23 april
[13:04] <qwerty> yeah
[13:04] <qwerty> please someone will help me out
[13:04] <lotuspsychje> qwerty: dont repeat please
[13:04] <qwerty> ok
[13:04] <lotuspsychje> qwerty: your version is end of life, install a supported version from the topic please
[13:05] <_aFirstInChannel> lotuspsychje Is it worth upgrading tho from 19.10 ? Do you think it will have a lot of incompabilities ?
[13:05] <_aFirstInChannel> in beginning
[13:06] <qwerty> so far i tried everything from the internet but nothing happened
[13:06] <qwerty> i,m nood in linux .
[13:06] <qwerty> noob
[13:08] <qwerty> update #1:    boot to the GRUB menu    select Ubuntu    hit the e key    use arrow keys to move    find the line that has "quiet splash"    add nomodeset, so "quiet splash nomodeset"    hit F10 to exit and continue boot    see if it flickers
[13:09] <qwerty> i try this one thing on my machine
[13:10] <lotuspsychje> qwerty: 19.04 is end of life, means no support anymore
[13:11] <qwerty> so that's reason i won;t able to upgrade the linux machine
[13:11] <qwerty> 19.04 to 19.10
[13:12] <qwerty> tell me
[13:12] <qwerty> is there any possiblilty
[13:12] <lotuspsychje> !eolupgrade | qwerty yes its possible
[13:13] <lotuspsychje> qwerty: but its not adviced, best to clean install
[13:13] <marcoagpinto> qwerty: 20.04 LTS will be out in a few days
[13:13] <marcoagpinto> :)
[13:14] <marcoagpinto> the site I had about it had 200+ ads :)
[13:14] <marcoagpinto> my adblocker blocked them
[13:14] <marcoagpinto> I read*
[13:14] <geirha> it's on thursday
[13:15] <geirha> so you can schedule an install fest this weekend
[13:16] <qwerty> yeah my whole disk drive is encrypted with luks encryption
[13:49] <syntaxfree> I´d like to have a terminal program that allows me to set a blurred background.
[13:49] <syntaxfree> I don't want general transparency for windows because I hear its a battery hog and also I use a tiling WM so there's really nothing underneat.
[13:50] <syntaxfree> (but then multiple terminal windows would each have their own background. hmm.
[13:50] <syntaxfree> )
[13:55] <sarnold> syntaxfree: I think I used to use this https://manpages.debian.org/testing/rxvt-unicode/urxvt-background.1.en.html
[13:55] <tpham>  How can I map PrtSc on ThinkPad keyboard to Super_R with setxkbmap
[13:57] <sarnold> syntaxfree: perhaps these two lines in the ~/.Xdefaults is all it takes:
[13:57] <sarnold> URxvt.transparent:          true
[13:57] <sarnold> URxvt.blurRadius:           5
[14:00] <syntaxfree> I'll look into that
[14:26] <welastevil> hi everyone!
[14:26] <welastevil>  does anyone here using npm?
[14:27] <welastevil> just havin a little issue with the "vtop" program
[14:27] <welastevil> I have installed it
[14:28] <welastevil> but when I try to run, thats the msg"
[14:28] <welastevil> chcontext: tools were built without legacy API support; can not continue
[14:28] <welastevil> any ideas?
[14:28] <welastevil> At my mac its doing well...but not in ubuntu...
[14:37] <StatelessCat> Hi
[14:37] <StatelessCat> Is this device cheap or normal quality ? https://www.cdiscount.com/pdt2/9/8/6/2/700x700/tem6914241620986/rw/ac-220v-4000w-regulateur-tension-variable-abaisseu.jpg
[14:38] <welastevil> normal quality
[14:38] <welastevil> alienware
[14:39] <StatelessCat> welastevil: thanks so you think there is fuse and ground on it?
[14:39] <StatelessCat> welastevil: alienware is good computers?
[14:40] <JimBuntu> StatelessCat: This is the wrong place to poll what people thing about hardware. Maybe try the hardware channel
[14:40] <JimBuntu> welastevil: no issue with vtop here in Ubuntu. Did you install via npm or apt or other?
[14:41] <StatelessCat> JimBuntu: sorry i thought I was on #hardware
[14:42] <welastevil> via npm
[14:42] <welastevil> and when i try to use: chcontext: tools were built without legacy API support; can not continue
[14:43] <JimBuntu> welastevil: There is a bug ticket open for vtop with 18.04 that is almost a month old now
[14:43] <welastevil> I see...but Im a newbeeee
[14:43] <welastevil> don't know what to do...i'll be glad with any advise
[14:43] <JimBuntu> I think there is an Ubuntu repo version within the pkg util-vserver
[14:46] <JimBuntu> welastevil: You should probably talk to the developer and provide them details about what distro, version, kernel and such.
[14:47] <welastevil> ok
[14:47] <welastevil> I see
[14:47] <welastevil> thaks
[14:54] <max___> hey guys! anyone experienced network problems in fresh installations of eoan lately?
[14:59] <eichelbart> I'm currently configuring an Ubuntu desktop eoan for my daughter and ran into a wall. Some hosts are accessible, like google.com for instance, others however can be resolved, but not connected to. Among others the ubuntu update server times out while runnung apt-get update. Has anyone experienced something similar lately?
[15:01] <shibboleth> if only there was some kind of tool/standard that let you inspect the path your traffic takes
[15:01] <m0rd3cai> no not with my 2 ubuntu instances running. As far as the update, have to tried switching to a different mirror server? also i would do a traceroute for the resolved domains that dont load and see if its a network path problem.
[15:01] <m0rd3cai> right shibboleth
[15:01] <shibboleth> you know, like... tracing the route?
[15:02] <shibboleth> man, had the been an app for that
[15:02] <shibboleth> had there
[15:04] <eichelbart> shibboleth: that phenomenon occurs in my own lan. Like one hop away. 192.168.101.10 responds to pinging, 192.168.101.1 doesn't. Somehow I think traceroute wouldn't quite cut it there...
[15:05] <eichelbart> The choice of hosts seems completely arbitrary.
[15:05] <shibboleth> tried replacing the switch?
[15:05] <shibboleth> connecting diff hosts directly?
[15:06] <eichelbart> connected via wifi and via lan cable, identical outcome.
[15:06] <eichelbart> shibboleth: lan cable ends in a different switch than the ap is patched to.
[15:08] <shibboleth> and the chair that i'm sitting on is blue
[15:08] <shibboleth> while tru it has jack shit to do with troubleshooting your issue
[15:08] <shibboleth> while true
[15:09] <eichelbart> shibboleth: the machine I'm using now to write this sits directly next to the one I'm working on and got its DHCP lease from the same source. and yet it's not got any of the issues of the ubuntu box. connects to my imap server perfectly while the other doesn't. so I'm thinking it's a configuration issue in ubuntu.
[15:10] <shibboleth> you just said you have packet loss pinging arbitrary hosts on you lan
[15:10] <shibboleth> and that which hosts this is differs
[15:11] <shibboleth> which makes your ubuntu host a variable, not a constant
[15:13] <eichelbart> shibboleth: let me rephrase that: while the choice of unpingable hosts seems arbitrary, it's still always the same set.
[15:14] <shibboleth> then how would it seem arbitrary?
[15:16] <shibboleth> the reason why you haven't figured this out yourself is that you have failed to either consider or realize the actual issue
[15:17] <eichelbart> shibboleth: I agree. And so I travelled here hoping to find someone who'd give me a hand in realizing the issue.
[15:17] <shibboleth> i'm telling you to cross-eliminate the likely source but you'd rather keep guessing
[15:18] <shibboleth> which is kinda like navigating the oceans by holding a rooster by its neck and setting sail in the direction it is kicking its feet
[15:18] <eichelbart> shibboleth: what could that "likely source" be, if I may ask.
[15:19] <shibboleth> you have a integrated router+switch and two or more hosts on your lan, right?
[15:21] <shibboleth> say you have host A, B and C. describe how these somehow arbitrarily fail to ping each other
[15:21] <eichelbart> I have a cable router, separate dns/dhcp, 4 managed switches and 7 wifi ap's.
[15:22] <eichelbart> 101.1 being on the same switch as 101.10
[15:22] <shibboleth> yes?
[15:23] <shibboleth> and .10 sometimes fail to download stuff from foo.com and sometimes fail to ping .1?
[15:23] <shibboleth> does .1 fail to ping .10 while this is true?
[15:24] <eichelbart> shibboleth: exactly. that's what I mean by arbitrary
[15:24] <shibboleth> does .10 fail to ping say... .11 while it can't ping .1?
[15:24] <shibboleth> can .1 ping .11 while it can't ping .10?
[15:24] <eichelbart> I just checked, there are 5 hosts inside my lan which the ubuntu box fails to reach by ping
[15:25] <shibboleth> so *right now* .10 can't ping .foo, say. 15?
[15:25] <eichelbart> every machine is able to ping .1 but the u-box
[15:25] <shibboleth> can .10 ping the others that *can* ping .1?
[15:26] <eichelbart> shibboleth: I'd have to check, but I assume so, since .10 is the DHCP
[15:26] <shibboleth> nvm that
[15:26] <shibboleth> which is the ubuntu box?
[15:26] <eichelbart> shibboleth: and .1 is my gateway
[15:26] <shibboleth> .15?
[15:26] <shibboleth>  .13?
[15:26] <eichelbart> .153
[15:26] <shibboleth> ok
[15:27] <eichelbart> dhcp range starts at .101
[15:27] <shibboleth> and one other host on the same switch is?
[15:27] <shibboleth> .176?
[15:27] <eichelbart> for exampe .142 (this one here)
[15:27] <shibboleth> ok
[15:27] <shibboleth> you can't ping .1 from .153
[15:27] <shibboleth> can you ping .153 from 142?
[15:27] <shibboleth> can you ping .142 from .153?
[15:28] <eichelbart> shibboleth: yup, just checked.
[15:28] <shibboleth> good
[15:28] <shibboleth> you can't ping .1 from .153
[15:28] <shibboleth> can you ping .153 from .1?
[15:28] <eichelbart> right
[15:28] <shibboleth> from .10?
[15:29] <eichelbart> just a sec
[15:29] <shibboleth> both? either?
[15:30] <RoseBus> I used to have Ubuntu 16 on my computer, but I haven't used it in years and I haven't seen grub boot since I can remember, today I went to put in a ubuntu 18 LTS usb stick into install as a dual boot, and it asked me if i'd like to install it alongside my ubuntu 16.  I said yes, because i forgot I had ubuntu 16 and wondered if I had anything important in there
[15:30] <RoseBus> during installation it crashed, and now my computer will not boot to any OS
[15:31] <RoseBus> is it possible that ubuntu installation thought ubuntu16 existed but it actually diddnt because windows hijacked that partition at some point?
[15:31] <shibboleth> hopefully you installed 18 to a diff partition/volume than 16?
[15:31] <RoseBus> shibboleth, I did not, it asked me if i want to install it alongside 16, i said yes, it did not ask me what partition
[15:31] <eichelbart> RoseBus: you could use a live system, chroot into your old system and run update-grub.
[15:32] <shibboleth> he has a live system
[15:32] <shibboleth> the install media
[15:32] <shibboleth> unfortunately the new installer is licensed from toys'r'us and has like two buttons
[15:32] <eichelbart> shibboleth: it's different to hit "Try Ubuntu" instead of "Install now"
[15:33] <shibboleth> yes, be he obviously did not?
[15:33] <shibboleth> but he...
[15:33] <shibboleth> also, i'm still waiting
[15:33] <RoseBus> eichelbart, okay i will try this
[15:33] <shibboleth> can you ping .153 from .1?
[15:33] <eichelbart> shibboleth: the gateway doesn't seem to have a ping function with the current user interface.
[15:33] <shibboleth> from .10?
[15:34] <RoseBus> even when i hit "try ubuntu" it freezes
[15:34] <RoseBus> should i try ubuntu 19? or do u think that will be the same story
[15:34] <shibboleth> device? laptop, desktop?
[15:35] <RoseBus> desktop
[15:35] <eichelbart> shibboleth: .10 <-> .153 works
[15:35] <shibboleth> ok, where does it freeze?
[15:35] <shibboleth> eichelbart, ok
[15:35] <RoseBus> it freezes the moment i click the try ubuntu button, and I still see the welcome screen, try or install
[15:35] <RoseBus> mouse unresponsive
[15:36] <shibboleth> eichelbart, so, now the only two constants are the switch and the gateway
[15:36] <eichelbart> RoseBus: did you try to sit it out?
[15:37] <RoseBus> eichelbart, i think i sat it out long enough already... it's a decently powerful desktop, plus the mouse isn't responsive
[15:37] <shibboleth> RoseBus, try downloading the 1804 server iso
[15:37] <shibboleth> with the debian installer
[15:37] <RoseBus> ok
[15:37] <eichelbart> shibboleth: gateway unreachable, dhcp no problemo
[15:38] <eichelbart> shibboleth: both on the same switch
[15:38] <shibboleth> is there some kind of "recovery mode"/"safe mode" with the new installer? does it freeze then as well? what are the kernel boot args?
[15:38] <shibboleth> eichelbart, paste.debian.net
[15:38] <RoseBus> i'm doing a "check disk for defects" option on the installer
[15:38] <shibboleth> i want you to paste the output of ifconfig -a
[15:38] <shibboleth> arp -an
[15:38] <shibboleth> and iptables -L
[15:39] <shibboleth> from the ubuntu box
[15:39] <shibboleth> RoseBus, don't bother
[15:40] <RoseBus> oh wait I did UEFI boot on the usb disk and now I'm booted into the "try ubuntu OS"
[15:40] <eichelbart> shibboleth: can't install net-tools if you can't reach archive.ubuntu.com
[15:40] <shibboleth> ip -a then
[15:41] <shibboleth> and ip -r
[15:42] <eichelbart> shibboleth: that just outputs ip help
[15:42] <shibboleth> ip a
[15:42] <shibboleth> ip r
[15:43] <eichelbart> shibboleth: wait a second, I think you're on to something there
[15:45] <eichelbart> shibboleth: paste.debian.net/1141877
[15:46] <eichelbart> shibboleth: do you have any idea, where the 169. subnet could originate from?
[15:46] <shibboleth> nvm that
[15:46] <shibboleth> the other pastes
[15:47] <shibboleth> preferably before we die of old age
[15:48] <eichelbart> shibboleth: dude, I'm doing home office, have to break up the odd fight among the kids every once in a while.
[15:49] <eichelbart> shibboleth: paste.debian.net/1141879
[15:49] <shibboleth> you're not typing it by hand. cmd+copy+paste takes like five seconds
[15:49] <RoseBus> should the device for boot loader installation be the same disk where i install ubuntu & windows?
[15:50] <shibboleth> efi/gpt or mbr format disk?
[15:50] <RoseBus> i think it's legacy&uefi
[15:50] <shibboleth> unlikely
[15:50] <shibboleth> windows won't let you do that
[15:51] <shibboleth> does it have a ESP partition?
[15:51] <shibboleth> an
[15:51] <RoseBus> i see an EFI partition
[15:51] <shibboleth> ok
[15:51] <shibboleth> a fat32 part about 100 mb in size?
[15:52] <chaslinux> We have a PXE server set up for 14.04 to 18.04 installs. I just set up 20.04 using similar scripts, it gets most of the way through, but dies about 80% through the software selection phase. Does 20.04 use a different software installation method for server? Are there PXE scripts for 20.04?
[15:52] <shibboleth> if so then that is grub/bootloader install destination
[15:52] <LuKaRo> Stupid question, probably easy to solve: I have `deb http://repo.mongodb.org/apt/ubuntu xenial/mongodb-org/3.4 main` in my sources, apt update lists it, but apt can't find mongodb-org, despite the repo is providing it. What am I missing?
[15:52] <RoseBus> hang on i'll show u the partitions
[15:53] <shibboleth> eichelbart, still waiting for arp -an and iptables  -L
[15:53] <doug16k> LuKaRo, are you using local mirrors in your sources.list? remove the local subdomain from them and update
[15:54] <doug16k> http://something.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/  -> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[15:54] <doug16k> local mirrors are messed up intermittently
[15:55] <eichelbart> shibboleth: won't come, can't install the package
[15:55] <shibboleth> arp?
[15:55] <shibboleth> arp isn't included in the base install?
[15:55] <LuKaRo> doug16k: Thanks, I'll try :)
[15:56] <LuKaRo> This is a server hosted at my university, so I use the local mirror of my university, but I'll remove it for a test.
[15:57] <eichelbart> shibboleth: nope, not anymore as it seems.
[15:57] <shibboleth> eichelbart, this is why i'm switching back to debian from ubuntu
[15:58] <RoseBus> DISCLAIMER: pasteboard is cancer website.  here is my partition setup: https://pasteboard.co/J4R3u1K.png
[15:58] <eichelbart> shibboleth: :-D
[15:58] <eichelbart> shibboleth:
[15:58] <eichelbart> shibboleth: I'm using Arch btw. *g*
[15:58] <shibboleth> they replace the tried and true with experimental and niche stuff
[15:59] <eichelbart> shibboleth: but I thought ubuntu would be a fitting introduction to linux for an eight-year-old
[15:59] <RoseBus> so should i install the boot loader on SDB?
[15:59] <RoseBus> or should i use another disk
[15:59] <doug16k> LuKaRo, I checked http://repo.mongodb.org/apt/ubuntu/dists/xenial/mongodb-org/3.4/, seems to be there. does that link work for you?
[16:00] <shibboleth> it's like microsoft. they're too busy deciding whether or not to include fucking notepad in the next build of windows that they can't you know... be bothered to fix the clusteruck that is windows update
[16:00] <LuKaRo> doug16k: Unfortunately no fix. Removed my university mirror and did `sed -i 's/de.archive.ubuntu.com/archive.ubuntu.com/' /etc/apt/sources.list`. Ran apt update, still no package `mongodb-org`...
[16:00] <JimBuntu> !language | shibboleth
[16:00] <doug16k> LuKaRo, I mean in a browser
[16:00] <shibboleth> "oh, but we save 320kb in the base install and we have this nice UWP monstrocity with microsoft account integration and telemetry that you can download instead of notepad"
[16:01] <LuKaRo> doug16k: yes, it works for me as well. Both in the browser as well on the server using curl. That's why I'm so confused.
[16:01] <shibboleth> eichelbart, anyway
[16:02] <shibboleth> eichelbart, i want you to connect the ubuntu box *directly* to the cable modem
[16:02] <shibboleth> the cable coming from the modem to the switch? insert it into the ub box instead of the switch
[16:02] <doug16k> LuKaRo, going to try installing it on my machinee
[16:02] <shibboleth> then ping .1 from .153
[16:02] <oerheks> shibboleth, he is using arch :-D
[16:02] <shibboleth> you may have to set ip manually
[16:02] <LuKaRo> doug16k: Thanks a lot, I'll stand by
[16:02] <shibboleth> oerheks, on his daily driver, not the box in question
[16:03] <eichelbart> shibboleth: paste.debian.net/1141882
[16:03] <oerheks> ping is not a proper networktest  for clients, right?
[16:03] <doug16k> LuKaRo, is it this?: "The repository 'http://repo.mongodb.org/apt/ubuntu xenial/mongodb-org/3.4 Release' is not signed"
[16:03] <shibboleth> oerheks, it's not like he is able to download anything else as things stand
[16:03] <doug16k> LuKaRo,   Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default
[16:04] <eichelbart> shibboleth: won't work, the client won't get a dhcp lease from the cable modem.
[16:04] <shibboleth> so... set one manually?
[16:04] <eichelbart> shibboleth: yeah, you're right, didn't think of that.
[16:04] <doug16k> LuKaRo, apt update told me that at the end (I added the source at the end)
[16:05] <LuKaRo> doug16k: No, I don't get that message. I have the key installed though: https://www.mongodb.org/static/pgp/server-3.4.asc
[16:05] <shibboleth> ip a 192.168.101.foo netmask 255.255.255.0
[16:05] <LuKaRo> doug16k: When I run apt update, it terminates without errors or warnings
[16:05] <shibboleth> ping 192.168.101.1
[16:05] <RoseBus> okay well i just went with sdb, so hopefully i dont lose my windows installation... yolo
[16:06] <shibboleth> RoseBus, you install grub onto the ESP/efi part
[16:06] <RoseBus> faaak
[16:06] <shibboleth> i told you
[16:07] <RoseBus> i was looking i didnt see anyone tell me
 i see an EFI partition
 ok
 a fat32 part about 100 mb in size?
 if so then that is grub/bootloader install destination
 hang on i'll show u the partitions
[16:07] <doug16k> LuKaRo, now I get this: https://gist.github.com/doug65536/be7b2c8368518e59a5cf83aaea5ffed6
[16:08] <RoseBus> shibboleth, but i dont have a fat32 partition, and I showed you my partitions i pasted a link
[16:08] <oerheks> github is down.. use paste.ubuntu.com
[16:08] <LuKaRo> doug16k: GitHub says Internal server error
[16:09] <shibboleth> i never replied to that
[16:09] <shibboleth> and use peste.debian.net
[16:09] <oerheks> meh, trolling
[16:09] <shibboleth> paste
[16:09] <LuKaRo> doug16k: Their status page lists an outage https://www.githubstatus.com/
[16:09] <doug16k> explains sluggishness :)
[16:09] <shibboleth> not some advertisement site that requires javascript to show text
[16:10] <oerheks> ubuntu does not show ads, please, ...
[16:10] <shibboleth> pasteco or whatever he used does
[16:11] <Kon> If using .bash_aliases, can other things like export and shopt commands go in there?
[16:13] <doug16k> LuKaRo, ah, sorry I'm on bionic
[16:13] <shibboleth> eichelbart, so, are you jared kushner? cuz unless you're also trying to solve the opioid crisis and achieve peace in the middle east i really don't get the delays
[16:13] <eichelbart> shibboleth: I'll be back in about an hour. gotta fix supper and send the kids to bed.
[16:13] <oerheks> shibboleth, why? why politics and attack?
[16:14] <LuKaRo> Okay. Interestingly it works if I switch 'http://repo.mongodb.org/apt/ubuntu xenial/mongodb-org/3.4' Release to 'http://repo.mongodb.org/apt/debian buster/mongodb-org/4.2 Release'
[16:14] <oerheks> !coc > shibboleth
[16:14] <shibboleth> and you use the acronym cock?
[16:14] <shibboleth> coc
[16:15] <hggdh> shibboleth: really?
[16:15] <LuKaRo> doug16k: But of course I can't install from debian buster repo because of missing dependencies...
[16:15] <hggdh> shibboleth: please sonsider yourself warned.
[16:15] <shibboleth> i just found that hilarious as an acronym for etiquette
[16:16] <doug16k> I think it is for Code Of Conduct
[16:16] <shibboleth> also: he admitted to taking a long time to answer basic questions due to distractions
[16:16] <hggdh> shibboleth: stay on-topic
[16:17] <shibboleth> working from home, <eichelbart> shibboleth: dude, I'm doing home office, have to break up the odd fight among the kids every once in a while.
[16:17] <doug16k> LuKaRo, does it have to be exactly 3.4? there are more versions: http://repo.mongodb.org/apt/ubuntu/dists/xenial/mongodb-org/
[16:17] <shibboleth> which is there "peace in the middle east"-joke came from. but instead of appreciating the context oerheks just assumed i decided to talk politics?
[16:17] <shibboleth> where the "peace..." etc
[16:18] <LuKaRo> doug16k: Good idea! I'll try other versions. BigBlueButton lists exactly 3.4, but let's test their compatibility :D
[16:18] <ioria> LuKaRo, probably the key retrieved is not for for 3.4  ; so i suggest to  rm all and start again with 4.0
[16:19] <LuKaRo> ioria: But wouldn't that mean I'd get key errors?
[16:19] <ioria> LuKaRo,  nope;  https://askubuntu.com/questions/842592/apt-get-fails-on-16-04-or-18-04-installing-mongodb
[16:22] <RoseBus> okay i reinstalled grub but now grub is not detecting windows installation :(
[16:23] <shibboleth> RoseBus, you can still boot windows using bios uefi/bios "boot menu"
[16:23] <shibboleth> and grub-update will likely detect windows once you boot the full installation
[16:24] <LuKaRo> doug16k, ioria: I figured it out: I got "main" at the end of my deb line, not "multiverse" (I'm used to Debian). Now it works as expected!
[16:24] <doug16k> nice
[16:24] <ioria> LuKaRo,  ah, ok
[16:24] <LuKaRo> doug16k, ioria: Thanks a lot for assisting me with my stupid ubuntu n00b problem :D
[16:25] <ioria> LuKaRo,  no problem
[16:25] <RoseBus> the disk that i installed grub to is where it used to be, which is on a separate 120 GB drive
[16:26] <RoseBus> if grub exists on a separate drive that shouldn't cause performance issues, right?
[16:31] <LuKaRo> RoseBus: No, it only gets loaded once during the system boot (and during updates, of course)
[16:31] <LuKaRo> RoseBus: And as it's only a few megabytes, it's loaded almost instantaneously even on the slowest drives.
[16:34] <RoseBus> also my bios does not recognize the drive that windows is on as bootable
[16:39] <iconoclasthero> i have a PC with an 18.04 and a 20.04 install.  the 18.04 can boot on its own but it could also be virtualized inside of 20.04 using a virtual vmdk.  It was booting up fine and then I guess some linux headers were removed and I can no longer boot it inside the VM.
[16:40] <iconoclasthero> I've been playing around with the grub menu that comes up inside the VM but i cannot figure out how to get it to recognize the linux files on the VM to boot anymore.
[16:41] <iconoclasthero> i don't know a lot about grub so i'm hoping someone might be able to give me a clue what's wrong.
[16:43] <iconoclasthero> i'm getting
[16:43] <iconoclasthero> error:  file `/vmlinuz-4.15.0-54-generic' not found.
[16:43] <iconoclasthero> error:  you need to load the kernel first. / Press any key to continue.
[16:43] <eichelbart> shibboleth: back. and believe me, the middle east is a piece of cake compared to what two retarded midgets with lockdown fatigue will put you through
[16:43] <oerheks> eichelbart, please stop that rant, this is ubuntu support.
[16:44] <Kon> eichelbart: That person was kicked
[16:44] <oerheks> !coc > eichelbart
[16:44] <iconoclasthero> https://i.imgur.com/ncDWROG.png
[16:44] <oerheks> iconoclasthero,  boot in recovery mode and fix it?
[16:45] <Kon> So /var/log/apt/ automatically removes logs more than 12 months old. How can I expand this limit? I've looked in man, online, can't find the config for this.
[16:45] <shibboleth> logrotate?
[16:46] <iconoclasthero> so i go to advanced mode:  https://i.imgur.com/R12SB3f.png and all I see are two Ubuntu 18.04.4 LTS on /dev/sdb4 (the correct location as it happens)
[16:46] <eichelbart> oerheks, Kon: sry, was referring to my kids.
[16:46] <oerheks>  /etc/logrotate.conf  >  save 4 weeks of data (rotate 4),
[16:46] <iconoclasthero> https://i.imgur.com/p89Gh4B.png
[16:46] <oerheks> persistence for 14 days (rotate 14)
[16:46] <Kon> Ah interesting, so outside apt completely. Thanks
[16:47] <tprk77> I've been working on an "almost" full disk encryption setup, based on this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Full_Disk_Encryption_Howto_2019 I'm familiar with Linux, but not so much with this stuff specifically. Anyway, the instructions seemed fine up until I rebooted, and got dumped in a grub> prompt. I did manage to get it working, but it
[16:47] <tprk77> involved copying some files to the EFI partition. Does anyone know about this stuff?
[16:47] <iconoclasthero> and both of those advanced ubutnu entries are looking for 4.15.0.52-generic
[16:47] <shibboleth> words sentence making up that not in order
[16:47] <tprk77> Mostly wondering if I messed up, or if I should try updating the HOWTO.
[16:47] <eichelbart> tprk77: which bootloader are you using?
[16:48] <tprk77> GRUB
[16:48] <Kon> oerheks: /etc/logrotate.d/apt specifically, for apt log management
[16:49] <oerheks> rotate 52 would keep 52 log files, would be enough i think
[16:49] <eichelbart> tprk77: I've had nothing but good experience with rEFInd. I run a completely encrypted btrfs, well, everything but /boot
[16:51] <shibboleth> eichelbart, as you might have noticed others might be far more interested in what they feel about what you're saying in a vacuum than what you're actually saying in context (even though the latter is on-topic and the former most definitively is not). anyway i told you to connect the ub box to the cable modem directly, set ip manually and ping the modem from the box
[16:51] <tprk77> I was trying to get /boot encrypted, mostly just for fun. Which was the source of the problem, I think.
[16:53] <tprk77> eichelbart: I did get it working, it took some extra steps I'm not too sure about: ```cp -r /boot/grub/x86_64-efi /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/boot/efi --bootloader=ubuntu --boot-directory=/boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu --recheck /dev/sdagrub-mkconfig --output=/boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/grub/grub.cfgupdate-initramfs -ck
[16:53] <tprk77> all```
[16:54] <tprk77> `cp -r /boot/grub/x86_64-efi /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/``grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/boot/efi --bootloader=ubuntu --boot-directory=/boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu --recheck /dev/sda``grub-mkconfig --output=/boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/grub/grub.cfg``update-initramfs -ck all`
[16:55] <tprk77> Sorry that formatting is getting screwed up, I'm terrible at IRC.
[16:55] <oerheks> !paste
[16:57] <tprk77> Thanks! https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rkBcY6PTWk/
[17:00] <iconoclasthero> so i got it to boot by changing line 5 from "set root='hd1,gpt2' to "set root='hd0,gpt2'" because it seems that the hd0/hd1 and sda/sdb designations are backwards in the VM.
[17:00] <iconoclasthero> Would anyone happen to know if it is because of the order i've added the drives to VM?  https://i.imgur.com/pI73pQe.png
[17:03] <eichelbart> tprk77: that looks pretty adventurous...
[17:05] <johnjay> does ubuntu not have .xsession or .xinitrc executed?
[17:05] <johnjay> I want a program to start on either X starting or when I login and I don't see how to do it in ubuntu
[17:07] <iconoclasthero> can the /dev/sdb4 portion of the grub line "linux /vmlinuz...generic root=/dev/sdb4 " be changed to the uuid instead of the /dev notation?
[17:08] <Sheilong> I can't find the manual page for limits.h
[17:09] <iconoclasthero> e.g. "linux /live-hd/vmlinuz root=UUID=293f1bf1-8098-4756-956d-f6a62b8e9bc7"?
[17:09] <Sheilong> No manual entry for limits
[17:10] <tprk77> eichelbart: I was inspired by this other HOWTO: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManualFullSystemEncryption/DetailedProcess Which has something similar in a script that it has you run.
[17:11] <tprk77> eichelbart: But in general, I don't run random scripts off the internet. So I just read if for inspiration instead.
[17:15] <Sheilong> I am unable to locate the man pages for float.h and limits.h in my ubuntu
[17:16] <Sheilong> But  locate float or locate limits gives  /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/7/include/float.h and  /usr/include/linux/limits.h
[17:19] <Sheilong> Anyone could help?
[17:20] <lotuspsychje> !patience | Sheilong
[17:21] <Dovid> If I install https://releases.ubuntu.com/20.04/ will I easily be able to upgrade to release with apt update or is it more involved?
[17:21] <lotuspsychje> !final | Dovid
[17:22] <genii> You can also use zsync to refresh your iso image instead of re-downloading a new one every time
[17:24] <jaydemir> can I get a recommendation for a WinMediaPlayer alternative that I can use to burn audio CDs
[17:26] <lotuspsychje> !burn | jaydemir
[17:27] <jaydemir> for a second I thought you telling people to burn me haha thanks!
[17:29] <ioria> jaydemir, you mean old audiocd in wav format ?
[17:30] <jaydemir> mp3. brasero seems to be doing the trick
[17:30] <ioria> ok
[17:31] <jaydemir> atleast I thought it was. I dont hear the CD spinning and brasero froze on me >.>
[17:35] <jaydemir> seems like an 18.04 problem. Ran some chmod commands to fix it. Only K3B gave me any kind of feedback about the issue
[17:56] <oOBadDreamOo> question. i recently setup my xubuntu desktop with vncserver but the remote desktop had to be using a different DE for whatever reason, i'm not sure why. so i installed LXDE and it works fine. Is it possible to have XFCE on both?
[18:03] <shibboleth> https://www.openssl.org/news/secadv/20200421.txt
[18:04] <eth01> hi, looking for somebody who may be interested in some consultancy to help me out with an issue or two, requires server admin experience, please pm me if able to assist. will donate to freenode your time or amazon giftcard.
[18:04] <Jordan_U> oOBadDreamOo: It may be that vncserver doesn't work when you're using a compositor. Try disabling XFCE's compositor and see if that solves the problem: https://docs.xubuntu.org/1804/user/C/settings-preferences.html
[18:05] <lotuspsychje> eth01: thats not really how the ubuntu support channel works
[18:05] <lotuspsychje> eth01: canonical offers paid support if you like
[18:14] <TheWild> hello
[18:31] <oOBadDreamOo> Jordan_U xfce will work on vncserver but then i cant log on to the client machine because the DE is being used by the remote log in...it wont run the same DE in both instances at the same time
[18:32] <johnjay> question. if i click login on the ubunt graphical login and the screen goes blank, is that a gnome-shell issue?
[18:32] <johnjay> i'm typing this on a virtual terminal
[18:33] <oOBadDreamOo> just a blasck screen johnjay?
[18:33] <oOBadDreamOo> black*
[18:33] <Jordan_U> oOBadDreamOo: I think that your assesment of the problem is incorrect. Please describe what you see when you try to connect to your xfce desktop from another xfce desktop, including exact error messages if there are any.
[18:33] <johnjay> yes
[18:33] <johnjay> i have no idea what's happening. i was fiddling around with systemd to make it run redshift on startup then i got this after i added a startup program in gnome-tweaks
[18:33] <johnjay> i tried reversing everything i did but still blank
[18:34] <Jordan_U> johnjay: If you create a new fresh user, can you log in as that user?
[18:34] <johnjay> sec let me look up how to do that
[18:35] <oOBadDreamOo> Jordan_U yur probably right about my assesment skills lol. i can connect to vncserver with tightvncviewer from a windows machine fine if the server is set to run XFCE. the client machine put me at a login screen and wont boot to desktop and im stuck in a login loop unless i changed to openbox
[18:35] <matsaman> johnjay: you honestly shouldn't need redshift till X is started
[18:37] <johnjay> ok i cannot login as new user joe
[18:37] <johnjay> i tried xfce and it failed also. just goes back to login screen. lxde succeeded though
[18:38] <oOBadDreamOo> are you running vncserver johnjay?
[18:38] <johnjay> no
[18:38] <johnjay> i might ahve installed that but i'm trying to login on physical terminal
[18:39] <johnjay> is gnome sjhell failing? where do i read its error output?
[18:40] <johnjay> sorry for typos but ubuntu won't display fonts correctly on my monitor in tgerminal
[18:40] <oOBadDreamOo> johnjay try sudo service vncserver stop
[18:40] <johnjay> so i'm using my tv set
[18:40] <oOBadDreamOo> then try to get in to your normal desktop
[18:40] <johnjay> it said failed vncserver.service nto loaded
[18:40] <oOBadDreamOo> there we go
[18:41] <oOBadDreamOo> are you running x11vnc?
[18:41] <johnjay> i don't think so. why are you asking me about vnc servers?
[18:41] <johnjay> i have no such process running
[18:41] <oOBadDreamOo> because im having the same issue. cant run 2 DE at the same time
[18:42] <johnjay> i don't know about that. i'm trying to login to my desktop on my keyboard at my desk
[18:42] <johnjay> not trying to run 2 desktops
[18:42] <oOBadDreamOo> but my problem is caused by vncserver
[18:42] <oOBadDreamOo> ok
[18:42] <johnjay> i believe i altered a setting in gnome-shell somehow like maybe when i added something in gnome-tweaks
[18:42] <johnjay> but I deleted ~/.config/autostart/stuff that i added and still problems
[18:43] <oOBadDreamOo> are you able to just reinstall it?
[18:43] <matsaman> johnjay: you could try moving .cache or .config for that user elsewhere temporarily
[18:43] <sarnold> johnjay: one usual approach to testing is to create a new user account and see if that works okay
[18:43] <johnjay> oOBadDreamOo: i mean i guess so?
[18:43] <sarnold> johnjay: you may also have logs that you can look at, try starting a journalctl -f in one vt, then start the login process, see if you spot anything easily
[18:44] <johnjay> yes the new user also fails
[18:45] <johnjay> just reloads login screen
[18:45] <johnjay> ok i'll try sarnold
[18:45] <Jordan_U> oOBadDreamOo: So, when you connect from a windows machine you see a login screen, and you can select an XFCE session from the login screen and log in, and everything works fine. Correct?
[18:46] <johnjay> i see lines about gnome-shell assertion failed.: g_array_unref, assertion 'array' failed
[18:46] <oOBadDreamOo> Jordan_U it goes straight o XFCE desktop and everything works properly but then the client machine is stuck at a login screen and if i type in my password the screen goes black then back to the login screen. login loop
[18:47] <Jordan_U> oOBadDreamOo: What do you mean by "the client machine"?
[18:47] <oOBadDreamOo> oh wait...i just realized something. could it be because im trying to login witht he same account on both?
[18:47] <oOBadDreamOo> the client machine is the actual machine running linux
[18:48] <oOBadDreamOo> thats probably the wrong term i guess
[18:48] <oOBadDreamOo> host machine?
[18:50] <johnjay> brb rebooting
[18:51] <Jordan_U> oOBadDreamOo: I'd say the "local" machine if you're standing in front of its physical keyboard to use it, and the "client" machine would be the machine that is remotely viewing a screen.
[18:51] <veryloud> Hi! I tried following this guide on an Ubuntu 18.04 server to join an AD domain https://www.tecmint.com/configure-ldap-client-to-connect-external-authentication/ but couldn't get it working, I don't get a result when I do ``sudo getent passwd <username>``. Is this up to date, where should I start looking in terms of logs?
[18:51] <lotuspsychje> ; ) MonkeyDust
[18:51] <MonkeyDust> Hi lotuspsychje
[18:59] <nikolam> Anyone using ZFS as ROOT FS in Ubuntu here? What is your best install method, on top of partition (sda3) and possibly pre-existing ZFS pool?
[19:01] <sarnold> nikolam: I followed The Guide when I installed my new laptop -- today I'd recommend just using the standard desktop installer on focal, I'm pretty sure it has zfs on root support in the installer directly
[19:01] <johnjay> no luck. still black screen
[19:01] <johnjay> how do i diagnose problem with gnome-shell? lxde doesn't have issue
[19:02] <wedr> Anyone knows what  illegal file name can I use?  I tried using ".:." as a filename, and somehow, it passes and generates a file with that filename.
[19:02] <wedr> (Currently writing unit tests on Ubuntu 18.04)
[19:03] <rany> wedr, `.` is not illegal but it is a pain in the ass
[19:03] <Jordan_U> wedr: '/' can't be in the name of a file, as it implies a directory.
[19:03] <nikolam> sarnold, yes, But does standar installer on 20.04/focal supports installing on top of partition (sda3) and not just whole drive (like 19.10 requires..)..
[19:03] <wedr> Oh, nice, I'm going to try that, Jordan_U
[19:04] <sarnold> nikolam: ah no idea
[19:04] <wedr> YES, that actually passed my unit test
[19:04] <wedr> Thanks Jordan_U
[19:04] <Jordan_U> wedr: Also, you can't have a null character in the middle of your file name.
[19:04] <wedr> I don't think our system can generate a filename with a null character in the middle.
[19:04] <nikolam> sarnold, Even better, would like to see installing on top of existing pool. (with fine-tuned ZFS feature flags for compatibility with other OSes)
[19:04] <wedr> But it's good to know
[19:05] <Jordan_U> wedr: Beyond that, I think there are no limitations (apart from those imposed by underlying filesystems).
[19:05] <sarnold> nikolam: then you definitely sound like a candidate for this install process ;) https://github.com/openzfs/zfs/wiki/Ubuntu-18.04-Root-on-ZFS
[19:05] <wedr> Ubuntu... I think this is one of those perks that actually hurts me and my QA soul.
[19:06] <Jordan_U> wedr: The empty string is also an invalid filename.
[19:07] <wedr> Yeah, I caught that with my usual "null" and "empty string" unit tests.
[19:07] <wedr> I just wanted a non-empty string that's invalid
[19:07] <wedr> Anyway, glad I can move on with other unit tests
[19:11] <Strongthany> Hello! I believe I'm registered and working now?
[19:11] <sarnold> Strongthany: looks good
[19:11] <Strongthany> If this is the place to ask I am in need of assistance with Landscape. Is this the channel to ask that in or should I go elsewhere?
[19:11] <nikolam> Strongthany, you're on Earth, welcome
[19:12] <sarnold> Strongthany: #ubuntu-server is probably a better bet
[19:12] <Strongthany> sounds good, I'm going to head over there. Thank you!
[19:12] <nikolam> I were just about to ask, what's Landscape :}
[19:13] <sarnold> nikolam: it's a web-based fleet management tool, https://landscape.canonical.com/
[19:13] <Strongthany> Landscape is Ubuntu's thing for managing servers.
[19:14] <nikolam> Strongthany, something like cloud, but managing hardware instances...and not cloud. i see.
[19:14] <Strongthany> think of like salt or ansible but with a nice web interface
[19:14] <nikolam> thanks sarnold
[19:15] <nikolam> Strongthany, yeah. Sounds like before one learns about Triton and docker without Linux kernel.
[19:16] <johnjay> are gdb.service and gnome-shell the same thing?
[19:16] <johnjay> i'm trying to get systemd to give more information about this
[19:17] <ioria> i doubt gdb is a service
[19:17] <sarnold> johnjay: where did you get gdb.service?
[19:18] <sarnold> johnjay: perhaps it has a Documentation= line in it that suggests more about it -- normally gdb is an interactive debugger, it doesn't make sense for that to be a sesrvice, I don't think
[19:18] <johnjay> gdm
[19:18] <johnjay> my mistake
[19:19] <johnjay> i tried googling g_array_undef but i get a lot of different problems that aren't specific to me
[19:19] <johnjay> i guess i could try disabling nvidia driver
[19:20] <Slartibart> Hi. While trying to compile audacious-plugins(from audacious webpage, ubuntu 19.10) configure says "no" for "Win32 waveOut". Anyone knows which package to install to get support for that?
[19:21] <ioria> !info audacious-plugins eoan
[19:36] <L27> is it possible to get the Intel 82579LM network adapter running on ubuntu server 18.04 ? Oddly the installer seems to work well with it and use it for updates but it shows as "unclaimed" when booting the installation
[19:38] <sarnold> L27: you may need to install the linux-modules-extra package that corresponds with your kernel
[19:40] <L27> sarnold: I'll give that ago, thank you.
[19:40] <sarnold> L27: (if this isn't it, I'm sorry, but I'm not sure how to quickly check which exact nics are supported via the modules there...)
[19:45] <ylwghst94> Hi all
[19:46] <ylwghst94> What's the best way to make this permanent echo 155000000 > /sys/class/drm/card0/device/hwmon/hwmon1/power1_cap
[19:46] <ylwghst94> Can it be passed as paramater to the kernel from grub?\
[19:47] <sarnold> ylwghst94: I don't recall seeing anything in the kernel command line docs for that -- I think I'd go with a one-shot systemd unit
[19:55] <L27> sarnold: I did  sudo apt update && sudo apt -y upgrade earlier didn't think that solved the problem, powered it up to try your suggestion but i can see my ethernet adapter is now working
[19:56] <sarnold> L27: oh jeeze; I hate problems without clear solutions.. it's ince it's working, but I want to know why, too :)
[19:57] <L27> sarnold: me too, I'm looking at all the previous commands i executed to try and figure out what fixed it. I think that is definately the one that solved it though
[19:59] <L27> sarnold: or apt install linux-generic-hwe-18.04
[19:59] <ylwghst94> Do you think this will work drm.card0.device.hwmon.hwmon1.power1_cap = 155000000 set in sysctl.conf?
[19:59] <sarnold> ylwghst94: I'm guessing no
[20:00] <sarnold> L27: ah! that'd I'd believe
[20:01] <L27> sarnold: I confess I was just frantically googling and still quite new to ubuntu. Has that replaced the default kernel ?
[20:02] <sarnold> L27: yeah, that's a newer kernel, currently from eoan, but soon it'll update to match focal's kernel
[20:04] <L27> sarnold: probably something I should have executed with care then
[20:05] <sarnold> L27: well, ideally it'll be as well supported as the 'default' kernel, but I wouldn't be surprised if zfs isn't happy about that
[20:08] <gst568923> Hi guys, I have run this command but not works `nmcli connection show --active type wifi`
[20:09] <L27> sarnold: I was just building a little media server from an old dell optiplex i5, i don't think i'll need zfs for media storage at the moment.
[20:11] <sarnold> L27: good good; thanks for the remidner to ask around about hwe and zfs :)
[20:15] <ylwghst94> sarnold: found this https://manpages.debian.org/jessie/systemd/tmpfiles.d.5.en.html looks good
[20:16] <oerheks> gst568923, what guide do you follow?
[20:16] <oerheks> nmcli dev wifi # would be enough
[20:17] <sarnold> ylwghst94: are you sure that runs late enough?
[20:24] <gst568923> oerheks I don't have to scan wifi networks, but I only have to show wifi connections already active on network manager
[21:03] <bluefox83> I just installed PythonTurtle for the first time and lo and behold the dang thing was installed in /home/bluefox/.local/bin how do i get it somewhere a little more system accessable, like in PATH ?
[21:04] <bluefox83> suppose i could move it to /local/usr/bin
[21:04] <sarnold> or add that directory to your path, perhaps, if whatever you're using to manage it makes sense to do so
[21:06] <bluefox83> sarnold: i'm learning python and the tutorial (that i got from the channel topic in #python) uses turtle
[21:11] <RoseBus> hello, when trying to decide which partitions belong to windows and which belong to ubuntu, all NTFS will belong to windows right?
[21:26] <sarnold> RoseBus: yes; ubuntu can kind of use ntfs partitions, for interoperability, but won't just make one..
[21:41] <ajeandouble> Hello. I'm trying to find a convenient way to reset apt, config, source lists, ppa to default. I've broken dependencies etc. The software update is complaining about being unable to fetch some disco release ppa although I deleted the content of source.list etc.
[21:41] <ajeandouble> If I could just reset everything that would be marvelous
[21:44] <joeatt> ajeandouble: apt-clone for your happy future
[21:44] <pavlos> ajeandouble: can you run synaptic which can fix broken packages?
[21:45] <joeatt> once apt is broken a reinstall is, i believe, mandatory
[21:45] <ajeandouble> @pavlos, I do not have synaptic installed and no installation candidate from apt-get
[21:46] <B-real_XCF> Hi
[21:47] <johnjay> ok, how do i bring up network interface from command line?
[21:47] <ajeandouble> joeatt, by downloading apt from a repo and then installing it with dpkg -i?
[21:47] <pavlos> ajeandouble: can you 'sudo apt update' w/o errors? or 'sudo apt-get install -f' to fix errors. If I understood, you remove a ppa from /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:47] <johnjay> i tried systemctl, i tried ip addr, i tried sudo /etc/init.d/networking
[21:47] <johnjay> please tell me how i can do this from the ubuntu rescue prompt
[21:47] <ajeandouble> I downloaded source.list which contained only one line and did a sudo touch /etc/apt/source.list
[21:48] <ajeandouble> I also deleted ppas from the software updater config
[21:48] <pavlos> ajeandouble: soudo touch made that file zero bytes
[21:48] <joeatt> apt-clone is meant to be used in still healthy system. and then if apt craches yo restore the apt backup
[21:48] <ajeandouble> I'd appreciate if there is a way to start fresh because there are many things that go wrong
[21:50] <ajeandouble> pavlos, is that a problem? if there is no ppa.
[21:50] <pavlos> ajeandouble: default sources.ist on bionic https://gist.github.com/rhuancarlos/c4d3c0cf4550db5326dca8edf1e76800
[21:51] <ajeandouble> pavlos, I'm on 19.04
[21:52] <pavlos> ajeandouble: I dont have 19.04, maybe someone can provide a paste link
[21:53] <ajeandouble> Can I just replace bionic with disco in the file?
[21:53] <sarnold> disco is dead
[21:53] <johnjay> how to bring up networking in ubuntu on command line? do i use nmcli?
[21:54] <ajeandouble> Fuck that's what I'm using Release:	19.04   Codename:	disco
[21:54] <sarnold> !eolupdates
[21:54] <pavlos> !language | ajeandouble
[21:54] <sarnold> !eolupgrades
[21:54] <sarnold> ajeandouble: that least link might help
[21:56] <pavlos> johnjay: ifup interface
[21:58] <ajeandouble> sarnold, if only I could reset apt before upgrading
[22:01] <sarnold> ajeandouble: note the bit about changing your archive.ubuntu.com sources to old-releases.ubuntu.com sources -- that should let you get your disco updated, then replaced
[22:02] <ajeandouble> sarnold, i still need to reset apt tho or would that be the issue?
[22:02] <sarnold> ajeandouble: that's probably the issue, unless you broke something worse while trying to "fix" it :)
[22:03] <SoItBegins> What exactly do I have to do to enable apt-get to see disco’s repositories again?
[22:03] <SoItBegins> (currently running disco)
[22:04] <oerheks> !eol
[22:04] <sarnold> SoItBegins: there's a bit on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades that covers using old-releases.ubuntu.com in place of archive.ubuntu.com
[22:04] <SoItBegins> Much obliged.
[22:04] <oerheks> have fun
[22:05] <SoItBegins> I, uh… why is each version of Ubuntu only supported for 9 months? That is not very long.
[22:05] <oerheks> try the LTS, 5 years
[22:05] <SoItBegins> Yeah, but the LTS of 19 isn’t out yet afaik
[22:05] <oerheks> 2 days..
[22:05] <SoItBegins> …what?
[22:05] <oerheks> yes
[22:05] <oerheks> !focal
[22:06] <oerheks> 20.04
[22:06] <SoItBegins> !!!
[22:06] <SoItBegins> Dang, I showed up just at the right time.
[22:07] <ajeandouble> I always get E: The repository 'http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu disco Release' does not have a Release file.
[22:07] <sarnold> SoItBegins: indeed, someone else asked a very similar question just a few moments before you :) it's apparently a common question, a handful of people int he last two weeks have been surprised to find out they haven't been getting updates for disco for three months
[22:07] <SoItBegins> oerheks: Thank you. :)
[22:07] <SoItBegins> Yeah, I only use ubuntu occasionally so I was trying to install libsdl2-dev to build a thing and I was… nonplussed.
[22:08] <ajeandouble> @sarnold, E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. etc. I think I'm gonna go for a fresh install it's much annoying and I can't find anything on the internet about just I don't know resetting apt to default
[22:08] <sarnold> ajeandouble: or pastebin the whole command and output and someone may be able to help you avoid that kind of hassle
[22:10] <ajeandouble> https://pastebin.com/Mq5mhVHV
[22:11] <oerheks> ajeandouble, so.. you did not follow the EOL upgrade url?
[22:11] <oerheks> lolz
[22:12] <sarnold> ajeandouble: hmm. did you upgrade to eoan that quickly or is this still disco?
[22:13] <ajeandouble> disco
[22:13] <oerheks> interesting..
[22:16] <ajeandouble> Why would doing a dist-upgrade help if my apt is broken?
[22:17] <oerheks> reason 1; we do not support dead ubuntu versions
[22:19] <sarnold> ajeandouble: your apt is "broken" because we tore down the disco portion of the archive mirrors
[22:19] <ajeandouble> Okay makes sense then :)
[22:20] <sarnold> ajeandouble: you need to make the changes described on that webpage, so that you can then *upgrade* to eoan
[22:20] <sarnold> ajeandouble: and *then* you can worry about running whatever wine thing you want to run :)
[22:20] <ajeandouble> Just wanted to be sure, I'm on 4g so I was trying to avoid using too much bandwith but I shall be fine
[22:21] <sarnold> you'll need to upgrade to 20.04 ("focal") in another three months, when support for eoan ends
[22:21] <sarnold> I strongly recommend staying on 20.04 if you're bandwidth restricted :)
[22:21] <sarnold> you can stay there for years..
[22:22] <ajeandouble> How do I select to which release I'm upgrading?
[22:22] <sarnold> there's not much choice in the matter -- you have to step forward one at a time
[22:23] <ajeandouble> It won't jump to the last stable release?
[22:23] <sarnold> if you're several releases behind, I don't know how that works
[22:23] <sarnold> it's probably not fun
[22:24] <sarnold> it's so much easier to upgrade either every six months when the new release is out, or upgrade every two years when the new LTS is out
[22:28] <SoItBegins> As an aside…
[22:29] <SoItBegins> how bug-free is the upcoming LTS version?
[22:29] <SoItBegins> (Or: If I’m to be using this for the next two years—)
[22:29] <sarnold> I'm feeling much better about it lately -- "my" favourite kernel bug finally feels like it's well understood and hopefully even fixed
[22:30] <sarnold> two weeks ago I was worried
[22:41] <akk> Hi -- is ubuntu going to update chromium-browser to 81.0.4044.113 due to the critical security threat?
[22:41] <akk> 19.10 still seems to have 79.0.3945.79, I keep expecting a chromium update but there hasn't been one yet.
[22:42] <akk> (I mostly run firefox, but there are a few things that only work in chromium.)
[22:44] <sarnold> akk: note that in 19.10 the chromium-browser deb package version exists only to install the snap https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/79.0.3945.79-0ubuntu0.19.10.2/+build/18557911
[22:44] <sarnold> akk: the snap was updated to 81.stuff five days ago https://snapcraft.io/chromium
[22:47] <oerheks> it is out for days. https://snapcraft.io/chromium
[22:49] <akk> Ah! Okay, I was going by the version in aptitude show chromium-browser
[22:49] <akk> which apparently is out of sync with the actual version it installs.
[22:50] <akk> Thanks.
[22:56] <B-real_XCF> Anyone here free to chat?
[23:00] <oerheks> B-real_XCF, do you have an ubuntu support issue?
[23:06] <B-real_XCF> hmm just need an applet is it
[23:06] <B-real_XCF> yeah thats all actually
[23:11] <RoseBus> will ubuntu 19 eventually be LTS?
[23:11] <jeremy31> RoseBus: No
[23:11] <jeremy31> 20.04 is the next LTS
[23:11] <RoseBus> oh okay ty
[23:12] <RoseBus> oh nice
[23:12] <RoseBus> it's coming out in a couple days
[23:12] <RoseBus> i'm installing 19 right now, i might as well wait for 20 to come out
[23:13] <jeremy31> Only the April release on even numbered years is LTS
[23:13] <RoseBus> cool, good to know
[23:16] <RoseBus> if i install 20.04-beta will i be able to upgrade to LTS without downloading a new iso?
[23:16] <Boyette> yes but not much will change anymore
[23:16] <Thete> fractional scaling is broken with nvidia on 20.04…… this not good
[23:16] <Boyette> im running 20.04 already
[23:17] <Thete> which is funny cause it worked fine in 19.10 if you enabled it manually
[23:19] <Boyette> https://ubuntu-mate.org/download/
[23:21] <Boyette> @rosebus what kind of hardware are you intending to install it on
[23:21] <RoseBus> MSI mobo, geforce rtx video card
[23:22] <Thete> but weird if you enable it command line it works
[23:22] <Thete> take that back, nevermind
[23:22] <Thete> maybe this is a gnome bug
[23:23] <dbristow> Will 20.04 be released as scheduled, on Thursday?
[23:24] <housecat> that's the plan
[23:24] <oerheks> dbristow, join #ubuntu-release-party :-)
[23:25] <Thete> is there a #bug-party chan?
[23:25] <Thete> lol
[23:25] <RoseBus> how is mate shipping with 20.04 if it hasn't been released yet, unless they're using the beta version
[23:26] <oerheks> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mate/daily-live/current/
[23:26] <oerheks> you can try it live
[23:29] <B-real_XCF> perhaps someone can help me need to sync OneDrive with a folder..
[23:29] <B-real_XCF> Tried google searches even had Insync but was not satisfied because of some issues and that it cost money
[23:45] <Boyette> @B-real_XCF i think thats officially not supported but you can try with Insync
[23:50] <B-real_XCF> I have tried with Insync, but it tell me i need to buy it? But it is just a temporary solution. Idealy would be a little space on a stable server to use for file hosting, static so I can run HTTP and perhaps something of the sort. Anyone know of any?
[23:55] <oerheks> the google connector in systemsettings > online accounts works fine