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jammorning all06:07
jamhm. mup didn't seem to notice the pr I landed and the other pr I closed.06:59
mup_Issue operator#237 opened: Feature request: helper function/flag to run initial hooks as juju would execute? <Created by Vultaire> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/237>07:43
mup_PR operator#212 closed: Harness: do not emit extra relation changed events <Created by dshcherb> <Closed by jameinel> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/212>07:43
mup_PR operator#230 closed: Testing harness no events for own data <Created by jameinel> <Merged by jameinel> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/230>07:43
niemeyerMornings!07:43
niemeyerjam: It did, it was just sleeping.. I haven't yet finished the transition that takes it out of my laptop and replaces the global mup07:43
jammorning niemeyer08:17
Chipacagooooooooooooooooooooooooood  morning!08:34
niemeyer\o/08:35
ChipacaI fixed my 'beuno' script to also support not greeting anyone in particular :-D08:38
jamChipaca, my IRC client doesn't understand wide characters, but other apps accept copy & paste :)08:43
Chipacajam: heh. strange irc client.08:43
jamChipaca, reviewing Dispatch now08:43
Chipacajam: ta muchly08:44
Chipacajam: out of curiosity, what client do you use?08:52
jamHexChat08:52
niemeyerThat's why.. you need a client that understand more than hex..08:52
niemeyerunderstands08:52
* niemeyer wastes brain cycles thinking of a conversation involving only a-f08:53
jamit is hard to read everything in hex, but eventually you stop seeing the code08:53
jamdead beef cafe08:53
niemeyereeaaaa08:54
Chipacajam: I used hexchat as well, and see those characters no problem08:55
Chipacause*08:55
jamI think it is probably the font, not sure, though.08:55
Chipacajam: i can also see all of 𝐛𝐨𝐥𝐝, 𝓈𝒸𝓇𝒾𝓅𝓉, 𝓫𝓸𝓵𝓭 𝓼𝓬𝓻𝓲𝓹𝓽, 𝕕𝕠𝕦𝕓𝕝𝕖-𝕤𝕥𝕣𝕦𝕔𝕜, 𝔣𝔯𝔞𝔨𝔱𝔲𝔯, 𝖇𝖔𝖑𝖉 𝖋𝖗𝖆𝖐𝖙𝖚𝖗, 𝑖𝑡𝑎𝑙𝑖𝑐, 𝒃𝒐𝒍𝒅 𝒊𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒊𝒄, ꜱᴍᴀʟʟ-ᴄᴀᴘꜱ, 𝚖𝚘𝚗𝚘𝚜𝚙𝚊𝚌𝚎, 𝗌𝖺𝗇𝗌-𝗌𝖾𝗋𝗂𝖿, 𝘀𝗮𝗻𝘀-𝘀𝗲𝗿09:03
Chipaca𝗶𝗳 𝗯𝗼𝗹𝗱, 𝙨𝙖𝙣𝙨-𝙨𝙚𝙧𝙞𝙛 𝙗𝙤𝙡𝙙 𝙞𝙩𝙖𝙡𝙞𝙘, 𝘴𝘢𝘯𝘴-𝘴𝘦𝘳𝘪𝘧 𝘪𝘵𝘢𝘭𝘪𝘤, and you already know about fullwidth.09:03
jamChipaca, now you're just showing off, and while I'm trying to review your pr, too. dangerous :)09:04
* Chipaca did not do the colourised version09:05
jamoddly, I can see "mall-cap" but not the S :)09:06
Chipacajam: in your defense, all these things confuse hexchat to some degree09:08
Chipacajust like emoji do09:08
Chipacatrying to select them in hexchat for copying is a fun exercise09:08
Chipaca(because, unciode widths is a hard problem, as i have mentioned elsewhere)09:08
Chipacaalso speling unciode09:08
jamChipaca, some things are harder than others :)09:11
Chipacathe output of virtualenv -h, at least at version 20, is horrendous09:12
Chipacalet's do better than that09:12
* Chipaca sets the bar low, but it's not an invitation to limbo09:13
jamniemeyer, I think https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/196 is ready for you to look at again, I pulled in the changes from 23009:22
mup_PR #196: Factor out the Harness changes for test_model.py <Created by jameinel> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/196>09:22
jamChipaca, a couple of tweaks but overall dispatch lgtm09:22
jamChipaca, any chance you can look at https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/23609:22
mup_PR #236: ops/log.py: Default to DEBUG logging <Created by jameinel> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/236>09:22
jamit needs a second +109:22
Chipacajam: on it09:23
Chipacasorry for the lag, i was going through my notes trying to find the name of the pypi guy09:23
Chipacas/guy/person/09:23
jamniemeyer, is it worth having our 1:1? Or should we cancel it for now and just do our regular standup, etc09:53
* jam goes to make coffee, bbiab09:54
niemeyerjam: In a call with Tim, but I had something to catch up with you on.. let's try to have it09:55
jamok10:01
jamlet me know when you're done10:01
niemeyerjam: Will do10:07
niemeyerjam: I'm off..10:30
niemeyerjam: ... and I'm on10:30
jamChipaca, "diversity of notations around args" you're talking about docstrings?10:44
jamAny chance we can actually have a session on that and actually go over the various proposals that you've tried and do something concrete?10:44
Chipacajam: yeah, docstrings. I've got the exploratory work parked, need to get back to it, possibly right after vienna10:45
Chipacajam: just to say, i ain't forgetting :)10:45
jamChipaca, it feels like it would only take 30min or so for us to get a consensus that we could at least write for our next code10:45
mup_Issue operator#198 closed: DEBUG log messages not emitted <bug> <Created by stub42> <Closed by jameinel> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/198>10:46
mup_PR operator#236 closed: ops/log.py: Default to DEBUG logging <Created by jameinel> <Merged by jameinel> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/236>10:46
jamone thing I really don't prefer about the squash-and-close pattern. It leaves all of my local git branches as "this has not been merged into master"10:47
jameven if I "Delete Branch" via the github UX, it doesn't delete them from my disk, or my laptop, etc.10:47
jamAnd 'git branch -d' rightly says "don't delete things that aren't merged" unless you really mean it.10:48
Chipacajam: yep10:48
Chipacaagreed on that10:48
Chipacaalso on the how long it'll take us to agree10:48
jamChipaca, I agree that we should agree10:50
jamChipaca, https://github.com/huntdatacenter/ubuntu-lite/pull/1/files adding a test suite to my 'minimal ubuntu' charm. for huntdatacenter10:50
mup_PR huntdatacenter/ubuntu-lite#1: add testing setup <Created by matuskosut> <Merged by matuskosut> <https://github.com/huntdatacenter/ubuntu-lite/pull/1>10:50
Chipacajam: what's huntdatacenter?10:50
jamhttps://www.ntnu.edu/mh/huntcloud10:51
jamThey are a site that is using Juju to drive their Openstack10:51
Chipacajam: ah, scientific cloud thing?10:51
jamThey have https://jujuna.readthedocs.io/en/latest/10:51
jamas a tool for doing CI10:51
Chipacajam: went to the frankfurt sprint?10:51
jamChipaca, yeah, I think so.10:51
* Chipaca sings jujuna matata10:51
jamfor the rest of my days10:52
jamChipaca, they have a form of functional testing, trying to figure out if it is worth pursuing further.10:54
* Chipaca nods10:55
Chipacai'm off to make lunch, bbiab10:58
facubatistaMuy buenos días a todos!11:10
Chipacafacubatista: goooooooooooooooooooooooood  morning!11:50
facubatistaChipaca, hola! :) I do see wide chars in my hexchat (however, not emoji)11:51
Chipacao𝩬11:52
Chipacasigh11:52
jamChipaca, facubatista coming to daily for bug revue ?12:01
Chipacayep yep12:01
facubatistaah, that one? I was about to ask where12:01
Chipacajust fighting with google12:01
* facubatista in login dance12:02
mup_Issue operator#171 closed: Support for charm class selector <Created by gnuoy> <Closed by niemeyer> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/171>12:55
Chipacaalright, i'm going to step away for a while, go for a run, and come back for my afternoon/evening meetings14:05
Chipaca(got one rather late in the day today)14:05
niemeyerChipaca: Have fun there14:05
Chipacaniemeyer: :) yep14:05
* facubatista brb14:48
* facubatista is back14:53
Chipacahmmmm16:15
niemeyerAgreed16:29
niemeyerOh my.. I thought the charmhub meeting was now16:31
niemeyerIt was half an hour ago..16:31
Chipacafacubatista: what's the name of the thing you're charming?16:54
facubatistammm16:55
facubatistaChipaca, what do you mean with "name"? :p16:56
facubatistaChipaca, it's my blog, something that uses Nikola and isso as main tooling, the blog itself is called "Bitácora de Vuelo", here:blog.taniquetil.com.ar/16:56
Chipacafacubatista: "we're each working on example charms: jam:jaeger  chipaca:tt-rss  facubatista:<>16:56
Chipaca"16:56
Chipaca<spaceship>16:57
* Chipaca goes off to make dinner18:10
* facubatista eods20:45

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