[06:07] <jam> morning all
[06:59] <jam> hm. mup didn't seem to notice the pr I landed and the other pr I closed.
[07:43] <mup_> Issue operator#237 opened: Feature request: helper function/flag to run initial hooks as juju would execute? <Created by Vultaire> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/237>
[07:43] <mup_> PR operator#212 closed: Harness: do not emit extra relation changed events <Created by dshcherb> <Closed by jameinel> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/212>
[07:43] <mup_> PR operator#230 closed: Testing harness no events for own data <Created by jameinel> <Merged by jameinel> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/230>
[07:43] <niemeyer> Mornings!
[07:43] <niemeyer> jam: It did, it was just sleeping.. I haven't yet finished the transition that takes it out of my laptop and replaces the global mup
[08:17] <jam> morning niemeyer
[08:34] <Chipaca> ｇｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｄ  ｍｏｒｎｉｎｇ！
[08:35] <niemeyer> \o/
[08:38] <Chipaca> I fixed my 'beuno' script to also support not greeting anyone in particular :-D
[08:43] <jam> Chipaca, my IRC client doesn't understand wide characters, but other apps accept copy & paste :)
[08:43] <Chipaca> jam: heh. strange irc client.
[08:43] <jam> Chipaca, reviewing Dispatch now
[08:44] <Chipaca> jam: ta muchly
[08:52] <Chipaca> jam: out of curiosity, what client do you use?
[08:52] <jam> HexChat
[08:52] <niemeyer> That's why.. you need a client that understand more than hex..
[08:52] <niemeyer> understands
[08:53]  * niemeyer wastes brain cycles thinking of a conversation involving only a-f
[08:53] <jam> it is hard to read everything in hex, but eventually you stop seeing the code
[08:53] <jam> dead beef cafe
[08:54] <niemeyer> eeaaaa
[08:55] <Chipaca> jam: I used hexchat as well, and see those characters no problem
[08:55] <Chipaca> use*
[08:55] <jam> I think it is probably the font, not sure, though.
[09:03] <Chipaca> jam: i can also see all of 𝐛𝐨𝐥𝐝, 𝓈𝒸𝓇𝒾𝓅𝓉, 𝓫𝓸𝓵𝓭 𝓼𝓬𝓻𝓲𝓹𝓽, 𝕕𝕠𝕦𝕓𝕝𝕖-𝕤𝕥𝕣𝕦𝕔𝕜, 𝔣𝔯𝔞𝔨𝔱𝔲𝔯, 𝖇𝖔𝖑𝖉 𝖋𝖗𝖆𝖐𝖙𝖚𝖗, 𝑖𝑡𝑎𝑙𝑖𝑐, 𝒃𝒐𝒍𝒅 𝒊𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒊𝒄, ꜱᴍᴀʟʟ-ᴄᴀᴘꜱ, 𝚖𝚘𝚗𝚘𝚜𝚙𝚊𝚌𝚎, 𝗌𝖺𝗇𝗌-𝗌𝖾𝗋𝗂𝖿, 𝘀𝗮𝗻𝘀-𝘀𝗲𝗿
[09:03] <Chipaca> 𝗶𝗳 𝗯𝗼𝗹𝗱, 𝙨𝙖𝙣𝙨-𝙨𝙚𝙧𝙞𝙛 𝙗𝙤𝙡𝙙 𝙞𝙩𝙖𝙡𝙞𝙘, 𝘴𝘢𝘯𝘴-𝘴𝘦𝘳𝘪𝘧 𝘪𝘵𝘢𝘭𝘪𝘤, and you already know about ｆｕｌｌｗｉｄｔｈ.
[09:04] <jam> Chipaca, now you're just showing off, and while I'm trying to review your pr, too. dangerous :)
[09:05]  * Chipaca did not do the colourised version
[09:06] <jam> oddly, I can see "mall-cap" but not the S :)
[09:08] <Chipaca> jam: in your defense, all these things confuse hexchat to some degree
[09:08] <Chipaca> just like emoji do
[09:08] <Chipaca> trying to select them in hexchat for copying is a fun exercise
[09:08] <Chipaca> (because, unciode widths is a hard problem, as i have mentioned elsewhere)
[09:08] <Chipaca> also speling unciode
[09:11] <jam> Chipaca, some things are harder than others :)
[09:12] <Chipaca> the output of virtualenv -h, at least at version 20, is horrendous
[09:12] <Chipaca> let's do better than that
[09:13]  * Chipaca sets the bar low, but it's not an invitation to limbo
[09:22] <jam> niemeyer, I think https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/196 is ready for you to look at again, I pulled in the changes from 230
[09:22] <mup_> PR #196: Factor out the Harness changes for test_model.py <Created by jameinel> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/196>
[09:22] <jam> Chipaca, a couple of tweaks but overall dispatch lgtm
[09:22] <jam> Chipaca, any chance you can look at https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/236
[09:22] <mup_> PR #236: ops/log.py: Default to DEBUG logging <Created by jameinel> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/236>
[09:22] <jam> it needs a second +1
[09:23] <Chipaca> jam: on it
[09:23] <Chipaca> sorry for the lag, i was going through my notes trying to find the name of the pypi guy
[09:23] <Chipaca> s/guy/person/
[09:53] <jam> niemeyer, is it worth having our 1:1? Or should we cancel it for now and just do our regular standup, etc
[09:54]  * jam goes to make coffee, bbiab
[09:55] <niemeyer> jam: In a call with Tim, but I had something to catch up with you on.. let's try to have it
[10:01] <jam> ok
[10:01] <jam> let me know when you're done
[10:07] <niemeyer> jam: Will do
[10:30] <niemeyer> jam: I'm off..
[10:30] <niemeyer> jam: ... and I'm on
[10:44] <jam> Chipaca, "diversity of notations around args" you're talking about docstrings?
[10:44] <jam> Any chance we can actually have a session on that and actually go over the various proposals that you've tried and do something concrete?
[10:45] <Chipaca> jam: yeah, docstrings. I've got the exploratory work parked, need to get back to it, possibly right after vienna
[10:45] <Chipaca> jam: just to say, i ain't forgetting :)
[10:45] <jam> Chipaca, it feels like it would only take 30min or so for us to get a consensus that we could at least write for our next code
[10:46] <mup_> Issue operator#198 closed: DEBUG log messages not emitted <bug> <Created by stub42> <Closed by jameinel> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/198>
[10:46] <mup_> PR operator#236 closed: ops/log.py: Default to DEBUG logging <Created by jameinel> <Merged by jameinel> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/236>
[10:47] <jam> one thing I really don't prefer about the squash-and-close pattern. It leaves all of my local git branches as "this has not been merged into master"
[10:47] <jam> even if I "Delete Branch" via the github UX, it doesn't delete them from my disk, or my laptop, etc.
[10:48] <jam> And 'git branch -d' rightly says "don't delete things that aren't merged" unless you really mean it.
[10:48] <Chipaca> jam: yep
[10:48] <Chipaca> agreed on that
[10:48] <Chipaca> also on the how long it'll take us to agree
[10:50] <jam> Chipaca, I agree that we should agree
[10:50] <jam> Chipaca, https://github.com/huntdatacenter/ubuntu-lite/pull/1/files adding a test suite to my 'minimal ubuntu' charm. for huntdatacenter
[10:50] <mup_> PR huntdatacenter/ubuntu-lite#1: add testing setup <Created by matuskosut> <Merged by matuskosut> <https://github.com/huntdatacenter/ubuntu-lite/pull/1>
[10:50] <Chipaca> jam: what's huntdatacenter?
[10:51] <jam> https://www.ntnu.edu/mh/huntcloud
[10:51] <jam> They are a site that is using Juju to drive their Openstack
[10:51] <Chipaca> jam: ah, scientific cloud thing?
[10:51] <jam> They have https://jujuna.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
[10:51] <jam> as a tool for doing CI
[10:51] <Chipaca> jam: went to the frankfurt sprint?
[10:51] <jam> Chipaca, yeah, I think so.
[10:51]  * Chipaca sings jujuna matata
[10:52] <jam> for the rest of my days
[10:54] <jam> Chipaca, they have a form of functional testing, trying to figure out if it is worth pursuing further.
[10:55]  * Chipaca nods
[10:58] <Chipaca> i'm off to make lunch, bbiab
[11:10] <facubatista> Muy buenos días a todos!
[11:50] <Chipaca> facubatista: ｇｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｏｄ  ｍｏｒｎｉｎｇ！
[11:51] <facubatista> Chipaca, hola! :) I do see wide chars in my hexchat (however, not emoji)
[11:52] <Chipaca> o𝩬
[11:52] <Chipaca> sigh
[12:01] <jam> Chipaca, facubatista coming to daily for bug revue ?
[12:01] <Chipaca> yep yep
[12:01] <facubatista> ah, that one? I was about to ask where
[12:01] <Chipaca> just fighting with google
[12:02]  * facubatista in login dance
[12:55] <mup_> Issue operator#171 closed: Support for charm class selector <Created by gnuoy> <Closed by niemeyer> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/171>
[14:05] <Chipaca> alright, i'm going to step away for a while, go for a run, and come back for my afternoon/evening meetings
[14:05] <Chipaca> (got one rather late in the day today)
[14:05] <niemeyer> Chipaca: Have fun there
[14:05] <Chipaca> niemeyer: :) yep
[14:48]  * facubatista brb
[14:53]  * facubatista is back
[16:15] <Chipaca> hmmmm
[16:29] <niemeyer> Agreed
[16:31] <niemeyer> Oh my.. I thought the charmhub meeting was now
[16:31] <niemeyer> It was half an hour ago..
[16:54] <Chipaca> facubatista: what's the name of the thing you're charming?
[16:55] <facubatista> mmm
[16:56] <facubatista> Chipaca, what do you mean with "name"? :p
[16:56] <facubatista> Chipaca, it's my blog, something that uses Nikola and isso as main tooling, the blog itself is called "Bitácora de Vuelo", here:blog.taniquetil.com.ar/
[16:56] <Chipaca> facubatista: "we're each working on example charms: jam:jaeger  chipaca:tt-rss  facubatista:<>
[16:56] <Chipaca> "
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[18:10]  * Chipaca goes off to make dinner
[20:45]  * facubatista eods