[03:26] <CarlFK> ppisati: have some quick advice on how to upgrade from your https://people.canonical.com/~ppisati/lp1871182/  -25 to -26?
[03:38] <xnox> CarlFK:  you probably want to $ sudo apt install linux-generic
[03:38] <xnox> together with:
[03:38] <xnox> shim-signed / grub2-signed if you had those removed
[03:38] <xnox> make sure that all linux-image-unisged-* are removed
[03:39] <xnox> to get back secureboot
[03:41] <CarlFK> xnox: thanks, that'
[03:41] <CarlFK> doing it.
[13:11] <rbalint> xnox, i think i just saw an autopkgtest failing because upgradind systemd-timesyncd rolled back the clock : https://objectstorage.prodstack4-5.canonical.com/v1/AUTH_77e2ada1e7a84929a74ba3b87153c0ac/autopkgtest-focal/focal/amd64/libs/libsfml/20200422_115723_f2338@/log.gz
[13:13] <rbalint> xnox, maybe chrony would be a better default time-daemon, what do you think?
[14:00] <ddstreet> rbalint i assume you are aware, but just fyi lp #1860926
[14:04] <rbalint> ddstreet, yes :-\
[16:40] <xnox> rbalint:  i don't know if time-daemon is crittical. Systems without public network or without hw-clock will not work right. systemd on boot sets the time to at least when systemd was released (i.e. all systems booted with focal will at least say they are in 2020)
[16:41] <xnox> rbalint:  i understand that we used to ship timesyncd in minimal, and that minimal did have ntp in bionic. But i don't think we did that in xenial or maybe like not in trusty.
[16:41] <xnox> ooooh
[16:41] <xnox> maybe we did
[16:41] <xnox> one sec, need to look at the old seeds
[16:57] <tumbleweed>  /35
[18:45] <xnox> rbalint:  so i think we always shipped ntp client, we dropped "ntpdate" when we added timesyncd
[18:47] <xnox> rbalint:  talking with steve, i think there is history why we did this minimal task configure, and it should probably be switched to "ubuntu-minimal" package install
[18:47] <rbalint>  xnox i'd like that, this makes sense
[18:48] <xnox> rbalint:  because we think it was a bad workaround, around the fact that servers did not have "ubuntu-server" installed, and apt didn't have immediate configure and was failing to immediately configure things, and we were failing to like upgrade to upstart or to systemd, etc.
[18:48] <xnox> with like multi-arch predepends failing
[18:53] <rbalint> xnox, should we switch to ubuntu-minimal install right now instead of landing the systemd-timesyncd workaround?
[19:00] <xnox> rbalint:  also i think desktop upgrades are not affected, only server. cause i think it only takes that code path for server and not desktop
[19:01] <xnox> rbalint:  i kind of want to 1) check if desktop upgrades are affected 2) propose the right thing as marking ubuntu-minimal for install first 3) not block upgrades on this
[19:06] <rbalint> xnox, ack