[00:47] <lotuspsychje> good morning
 morning lotuspsychje
[00:54] <lotuspsychje> hey there @philipz
[00:56]  * oerheks needs wobbly windows
[00:56] <lotuspsychje> there's still an extension for it somewhere
[00:57] <lotuspsychje> and i bet it still works on unity desktop + ccsm
[02:04]  * guiverc may get dizzy with wobbly windows, no thanks
[02:04] <lotuspsychje> i had fun with those :p
[02:04] <lotuspsychje> wobbly terminal rox :p
[02:05] <guiverc> they did look real cool, and were fun (awhile anyway).. but not helpful productivity wise (most of the time anyway)
[04:37] <Cruft> Can index-on-battery please be turned off by default if it caches all dirs and/or updates?
[04:41] <Cruft> Also what is going on with centered notifications... it covers up the only information at a glance you could look at and want at any second or networking configuration. (The time)
[04:48] <valorie> Cruft: what are you testing?
[04:48] <Cruft> 20.04
[04:48] <valorie> this chan is for testing all flavors
[04:48] <Cruft> regular
[04:49] <valorie> of course 20.04
[04:49] <valorie> by regular I take it you mean Ubuntu?
[04:49] <Cruft> yes
[04:50] <valorie> I don't know what packagename you would file a bug report for those issues
[04:50] <lotuspsychje> Cruft: install dconf-editor and check a lot of battery settings there
[04:51] <Cruft> i have been
[04:51] <Cruft> i had to make pages of modifications and look over which ones should be defaults probably
[04:51] <Cruft> i understand the usb protection isn't ready yet i get that
[04:52] <Cruft> the gnome ColorHelper default-profile-uri one is still on a broken http 404 link
[04:52] <lotuspsychje> Cruft: there's 2 values on org/freedesktop/tracker/miner/files about index on battery
[04:52] <Cruft> who's cert is owned by the guys hypnotist birth fetish website
[04:53] <Cruft> yeh one is first boot but then on first boot it will tell you to reboot because chances are the person isn't using daily
[04:53] <Cruft> so now realistically you're on second boot, indexing files on battery
[04:54] <Cruft> i've been waiting on GIMPNet to see if those files are indexed from all dirs or not
[04:55] <Cruft> and what is a huge complaint about linux on laptops? battery usage
[04:56] <Cruft> I don't even want to know how many reviewers at ars or similar sites have unknowingly been indexing files while running battery tests asking if linux is ready yet
 welcome @totallynotavirus
[07:52] <shaban238> snap store is not background-less anymore :)
 sweet
[07:53] <shaban238> ristretto though has the blue corner bug still
 that's an upstream bug now and nothing can be done with it other than maybe changing the theme
 or using a different image viewer. i use pix
 aka gThumb
[07:55] <shaban238> sorry i got disconnected didnt catch that?
 that's an upstream bug now and nothing can be done with it other than maybe changing the theme
 or using a different image viewer. i use pix aka gThumb
[07:56] <shaban238> aha ok . its still usable. maybe will wait :)
 reminds me that i should file an enhancement for ristretto
[07:57] <shaban238> tomorrow will be the official release date right?
 yes
[07:57] <shaban238> any other bug fixesto be expected for the final release?
 not any different from the last few days
[07:59] <shaban238> as far as you may know at least
[07:59] <shaban238> ah ok
 for the last week, its been bug fixes only
[07:59] <shaban238> i have tested it and apart from some minor things ubuntu studio its perfect :)
[08:01] <shaban238> i installed it on my other laptop also, i had this screen tearing but was able to throw a tearfree "true" line  and now it seems good
[08:01] <Cruft> Its not perfect, it indexes on battery
[08:02] <shaban238> hm it worked good with my battery though
[08:02] <Cruft> Good compared to windows?
[08:02] <Cruft> Death by a thousand cuts
 shaban238: have you tried the new screen tearing fix without tearfree
[08:03] <shaban238> i did not try windows on my thinkpad, but i can say i got 7 hours of battery without any problem
 https://git.xfce.org/xfce/xfwm4/tree/COMPOSITOR#n114
[08:03] <Cruft> If windows gave me 7 hours i would return the laptop
 Cruft which flavor?
[08:04] <Cruft> regular, 20.04
 so its a gnome indexing feature for search?
[08:04] <Cruft> gsettings get org.freedesktop.Tracker.Miner.Files index-on-battery
[08:04] <shaban238> sorry how should i try this that you send me?
[08:04] <shaban238> for the screen tearing
[08:05] <Cruft> There's no reason in the age of M.2 SATA and now, NVME that this should be a thing
[08:06] <Cruft> Think about it as a user. User installs point release (non updated, not daily). User has to reboot because msgbox tells them to.
[08:06] <Cruft> Now you're on second boot before you even got through or started indexing, making don't index on first boot useless
 shaban238 not likely related to us xfce users
[08:08] <shaban238> because after fresh install i got the screen tearing and the only way was to add a file for my intel graphic card with tearfree line and now i dont have the problem anymore but if this is a better solution it would be great
[08:12] <Cruft> Ubuntu should be detecting this on install, even whitelisting cards
[08:12] <Cruft> Why bother with visual installers if you aren't using that variable to your advantage
 did you file a bug report Cruft?
[08:14] <Cruft> Nope
 well things won't get better if people dont file bugs :D
[08:15] <Cruft> I'm telling you about quality improvements i had to make so that i hopefully won't have to be here next LTS release
[08:15] <Cruft> i mean, i can only lead a horse to water
[08:15] <Cruft> launchpad is crap, sorry
[08:16] <Cruft> i think i used to have an account and i had to use it for lots of stuff and it didn't even have git support yet and just never agian
[08:16] <Cruft> mercurial i think
 shaban238: yes give it a try as intel mentions that tearfree is more resource intensive
 i agree with you Cruft that launchpad isnt user friendly
[08:17] <shaban238> thank you i will read through the one that you sent me
 launchpad has some git repos now
[08:18] <Cruft> Its overengineered and too busy. It reminds me of one of those optical illusions thats a square version of seashell for UI design
[08:19] <Cruft> I couldn't even take my words seriously if someone asked me how to download a file from it
[08:21] <Cruft> What Kirk(Dirk?whatever) did for baseline rootfs/snap size, someone needs to do for tooling and ui and technical debit of web tooling
 Can you share the. conkyrc? (re @troyBORG: )
 Well the two gripes i had with 20.04 have now been fixed, so thank you to whoever fixed the VPN stuff and the desktop icon stuff. Coming from a mac user of 10+ years, this is turning into my favourite desktop OS ever.
 @chrisjimallen how long have you been a convert?
 about 2 months, use it for a daily driver, im a dev. i use a win VM purely for the dreaded adobe stuff.
 main use is web dev, & server admin. cant see why id ever go back now tbh.
 congrats and welcome to the freedom
 👍ty (re @philipz: congrats and welcome to the freedom)
 welcome @Xboxambassadorsnakehunter4168
 Morning everyone
 afternoon @ItzSwirlz
 I'm not sure about this but it looks like for some of the products, daily is still  being built
 Don't see any for today but I do for yesterday
 nvm-they are the same as final
 Xubuntu needs testing
 I can try and run a no-network
 Okay so I will run a No Network and the Post Install test-if I can on a VM ill do the OEM Setup
 And for testing upgrades i'll spin the wheel
[14:30] <Eickmeyer> Hey guys. Release team found a nasssssstttttyyyyyy bug in Ubiquity, and they're working on that right now. We're talking breakage-level stuff.
 started testing UC and was curious why you didnt change the boot logo
[14:30] <lotuspsychje> ok Eickmeyer tnx
 thanks for the update. luckily it was caught in time.
[14:31] <Eickmeyer> Oh, if it had been caught post-release, they would've done a respin. This kind of stuff doesn't go unfixed for long.
[14:48] <RikMills> Eickmeyer: the subiquity bug?
[14:49] <Eickmeyer> RikMills: I think that's the issue.
[14:49] <RikMills> e.g. server images
[14:49] <Eickmeyer> There was also something with LVM encryption which was spotted.
[14:50] <RikMills> that subiquity bug is lvm
[14:52] <RikMills> LP: #1874243
 Nooo (re @ubuntutesting_bot: [irc] <Eickmeyer> Hey guys. Release team found a nasssssstttttyyyyyy bug in Ubiquity, and they're working on that right now. We're talking breakage-level stuff.)
[15:04] <Eickmeyer> RikMills: Yep, that's the bug. For some reason my mind separated them when they're clearly not separate.
[16:30] <shaban238> sorry whats the command to send a bug directly to lauchpad? im trying but the page keeps refreshing and i would need a command that would allow me to connect
 ubuntu-bug
 then the name of the package
[16:34] <shaban238> thank you!
 here is a video if you ever forget https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjTyzyY9RHw&t=517s
[16:36] <shaban238> great. i will need that :)
[16:38] <shaban238> can i ask what happen if i do not record the bug in lauchpad but just press send when that popup shows?
 you dont have to open up the details before sending. watch the video as its quite useful.
[16:44] <shaban238> ok
 file troyBORG.tar.gz too big to download (1315207 > allowed size: 1000000)
 (re @Rikparis: Can you share the. conkyrc?)
[17:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-quality- Builds: Upgrade Lubuntu amd64 [Focal Final] has been updated (20200421)
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  (re @troyBORG: )Just threw it on the newest Daily.  One thing you may wanna do when editing it.  Is change the thing for the Kernel so instead of stripping out the -MANJARO is strips off the -generic that Ubuntu does. :
[19:28] <jibel> images are rebuilding, hopefully it'll be the final images, get ready to test it!
 \o/
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[19:31] <jibel> it includes fixes to install the right kernel and graphics drivers on systems with nVidia GPUs
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[19:34] <valorie> good to hear, jibel
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 desktop environment packaging for debian is... painful.
 yep
[20:00] <valorie> and @RikMills might be the world's foremost expert on that subject
 @RikMills How do I do it? I am staring at how MATE does it and can't figure it out
 Find someone who know, and copy them! 😂
 *easier said than done*
[20:03] <Eickmeyer> It took me SO long to learn Debian packaging for anything. Now... RPM packaging? Child's play by comparison.
 I've done snap, RPM, AUR, Pacman, and even Debian
 BUT GOD DO I HATE DEBIAN PACKAGING
[20:03] <Eickmeyer> 🤣
 If you read the Debian Policy Manual from end to end, it all becomes clear....
 ... no, false, not correct
 Oh, wait, maybe not....
[20:08] <Eickmeyer> Clear as mud. No... clear as pottery clay.
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[20:20] <valorie> I've read that a few times and still have no clue how to actually package something
[20:20] <valorie> I decided that my talents lie elsewhere
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