[00:59] <hallyn> well I stopped using the nexus 4 i was testing on.  So I need to get this pinephone running before I can get back to it :(
[00:59] <hallyn> So, blocked right now
[00:59] <hallyn> I'm gonna fetch a new ubtouch-pine.img (the one installed is from february) and see if it helps,but probably not tillt he weekend,
[01:00] <hallyn> got some other stuff i need to take care of first :(
[01:57] <Fuseteam> Oof no rush was just curious. there are things that need priority especially in a time like this. Good luck and keep safe
[09:33] <lejocelyn> hi, I would like to know, is it possible to run apps that are on FreeDroid on UBports ?
[09:34] <lejocelyn> it's not so easy to find clear info about it on internet :/
[09:36] <lejocelyn> maybe http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/dailyuse/anbox.html ?
[09:38] <lejocelyn> I'm really excited by the PinePhone, do you know if there are projects on porting Anbox to the PinePhone ?
[12:41] <Fuseteam> Yes anbox is being ported, its in very early stages
[14:04] <lejocelyn> Fuseteam: yes, thanks for the answer
[16:30] <sebsebseb> hi anyone around ?
[16:31] <sebsebseb> Got a bit of an issue I think I know why probably, or possibly, but I wonder what the work around is,  and no re installling  via a factory re set isn't really the work around :D
[16:31] <sebsebseb> or something like that
[16:41] <poVoq> So what is the issue?
[16:42] <sebsebseb> ok so I  have upgraded my MX 4   to the latest OTA however that's from a quite old now,  OTA
[16:42] <sebsebseb> I even got a load of apps from the old  Ubuntu App Store
[16:42] <sebsebseb> and it seems the OS has updated yes, but none of the apps
[16:43] <sebsebseb> Open Store will mention that certain apps are not from it, but  will not let me upgrade anything, just this bar,  looked on Google seems some other people had a similar issue before
[16:43] <sebsebseb> so even the core apps haven't been updated, the default apps, the browser and what not
[16:44] <sebsebseb> can I just upgrade each app myself or something? but I can't just do it graphically via open store since the bar,  there's no install buttons etc
[16:44] <sebsebseb> don't want to just start over actsually,  got some of the old click apps, and want to keep them on, if possible,  yes no longer supported etc, but so be it
[17:13] <poVoq> If you are still on the old Ubuntu provided system then I think you have no choice but to wipe and reflash with the new ubports system. Sorry.
[17:14] <sebsebseb> poVoq: no its ubports
[17:14] <sebsebseb> poVoq: remember ubports originally came with both app stores
[17:15] <sebsebseb> and remember it used to be click packages untill the change to snappy
[17:15] <poVoq> Hmm, then I don't know sorry. Maybe see if the soon coming OTA12 upgrade process fixes it?
[17:16] <poVoq> Or switch to RC or dev channel?
[17:17] <sebsebseb> probono: when is ota12  due
[17:17] <sebsebseb> probono: i  went from a old 2018 ota to the current stable
[17:23] <poVoq> It is still click
[17:23] <poVoq> In a few days
[17:23] <poVoq> Switch to RC in the update settings and see if that changes anything
[20:23] <sebsebseb>  
[22:36] <Fuseteam> Ubuntu touch is still on clicks btw
[22:37] <Fuseteam> There is a button in update settings called 'update all apps' iirc
[22:38] <sebsebseb> Fuseteam: not that I could see earlier
[22:39] <sebsebseb> Fuseteam: well I was hoping I could have deprecatd apps that still work from when ubports used the ubuntu touch store,   that aren't in the open store ,  plus new stuff that is in the open store
[22:39] <sebsebseb> but currently I can't install anything
[22:39] <sebsebseb> I just get this bar
[22:40] <Fuseteam> Which apps are deprecated surely the can be revived
[22:41] <Fuseteam> I meant the update settings in the settings app fwiw
[22:44] <Fuseteam> So settings>updates>update settings
[22:44] <sebsebseb> Fuseteam: a lot of my apps are it seems :D I put on lots of stuff in 2018
[22:45] <sebsebseb> Fuseteam: before the ubuntu  store went bye bye from ubports
[22:45] <sebsebseb> in fact i upgraded a old ota update from 2018 to  the latest earlier, but yep it seems none of the apps got updated as well
[22:45] <sebsebseb> the open store does tel me if an app isn't in the open store though, or if it is and there's a newer version in the open store, but can't install as I put
[22:46] <sebsebseb> Fuseteam: so is that in the open store the settings thing ?  or  ubports settings ?
[22:46] <sebsebseb> I could look for it
[22:47] <sebsebseb> in the open store for an app I get a bar moving at the top no buton to install or anything like that
[22:47] <sebsebseb> Fuseteam: if an app is deprecated I don't want it to be auto removed as well
[22:48] <Fuseteam> In the os settings
[22:48] <Fuseteam> Far point about autoremoval tho
[22:48] <sebsebseb> Fuseteam: it would auto remove? or would it ?
[22:48] <Fuseteam> Are you on telegram?
[22:48] <sebsebseb> no
[22:49] <sebsebseb> Fuseteam: some of the old apps are good :D  not sure why they aren't in open store
[22:49] <sebsebseb> no to telegram
[22:49] <sebsebseb> Fuseteam: can I manually update selected apps myself ?
[22:50] <Fuseteam> They are not in openstore becausw nobody put them there yet :D
[22:51] <sebsebseb> Fuseteam: some won't ever come I think
[22:51] <Fuseteam> Not sure what you mean with manual tho
[22:51] <sebsebseb> update myself
[22:51] <sebsebseb> yes I want the latest version of this and that app, but not this and that other app
[22:51] <Fuseteam> Why not? Closed sourced?
[22:51] <sebsebseb> Fuseteam: no just some are sucky web apps really, and others are apps that, probably just won't be ported over
[22:52] <Fuseteam> That's what you do in openstore
[22:52] <Fuseteam> I still don't see why not 👀
[22:52] <sebsebseb> Fuseteam: is it? how do I use open store then ?
[22:53] <Fuseteam> I have no idea why openstore is not detecting your apps atm
[22:54] <sebsebseb> Fuseteam: it's detecing my apps, but it won't let me  upgrade apps
[22:55] <Fuseteam> What does it say?
[22:56] <sebsebseb> Fuseteam: nothing it's just a bar at the top moving
[22:56] <sebsebseb> i saw someoen else had a similar issue when I googleed earlier
[22:57] <sebsebseb> Fuseteam: it knows about my apps being from the old ubuntu touch store, it says some have no version in the open store,  a lot, and then for some it will say there's a newer version in the open store
[23:06] <Fuseteam> Then update the ones that say they have newer version?
[23:06] <Fuseteam> If openstore says it has no version, it likely has no version
[23:07] <sebsebseb> Fuseteam: so if it has no version of an app and I try the update all
[23:07] <sebsebseb> Fuseteam: it should leave the others alone ?
[23:07] <sebsebseb> if I can find that thing of course
[23:10] <Fuseteam> I think it should yes
[23:11] <Fuseteam> Can't verify myself tho
[23:15] <sebsebseb> Fuseteam: re install all apps
[23:16] <sebsebseb> Fuseteam: found that
[23:16] <Fuseteam> Ah there you go
[23:17] <Fuseteam> I haven't been able to verify with the others how it works fwiw
[23:18] <sebsebseb> Fuseteam: Use this to get all of the latst apps, typically needed after a major system update
[23:18] <Fuseteam> Sounds promising enough
[23:19] <sebsebseb> Fuseteam: i tried to ht stop and it crashed, but yeah that could be it
[23:19] <sebsebseb> if it re installs the main apps it should upgrade them
[23:19] <sebsebseb> the other ones might be at risk but depends
[23:20] <Fuseteam> It should yes
[23:20] <Fuseteam> It is intended for this type of scenario afaik
[23:21] <sebsebseb> Fuseteam: yeah I think that could be it
[23:21] <sebsebseb> i stopped it but
[23:21] <sebsebseb> now see
[23:21] <sebsebseb> some of these apps as updates in the thing
[23:22] <sebsebseb> Fuseteam: I have like 300 apps
[23:22] <Fuseteam> Cool
[23:22] <sebsebseb> Fuseteam: altough a lot are web apps or whatever
[23:22] <sebsebseb> I got old scopes too some
[23:22] <sebsebseb> which is another thing
[23:22] <sebsebseb> I belive scopes got completly dropped
[23:22] <sebsebseb> so that's uselss now any scropes
[23:22] <sebsebseb> Fuseteam: thanks woudn't have just found that option myself
[23:23] <sebsebseb> Fuseteam: going to have to charge up that phone more  too
[23:23] <Fuseteam> Yes atm scopes are dropped to start clean
[23:23] <Fuseteam> Sure no problem
[23:24] <sebsebseb> Fuseteam: to start clean ?
[23:24] <sebsebseb> you mean just try and get rid of any scropes I put on myself ?
[23:24] <sebsebseb> since they won't work
[23:25] <sebsebseb> Fuseteam: I have another issue as well actsaully
[23:25] <sebsebseb> I used to be able to just connect the phone into lap top and be able to remove  photos and videos from it onto computer, but it's not been working
[23:26] <Fuseteam> Oh no i mean scopes were removed because the previous implementation was hard to maintain
[23:26] <sebsebseb> why was it hard to main tain ?
[23:27] <Fuseteam> Scopes doing more than intended by the backend etc etc
[23:27] <sebsebseb> oh such as ?
[23:28] <Fuseteam> Such as doing things an app should be doing
[23:28] <sebsebseb> shoudn't be doing such as ?
[23:29] <Fuseteam> I don't know the details but i suspect scopes weren't suppose to play music for example
[23:29] <sebsebseb> oh right
[23:31] <Fuseteam> That is if i got it right and scopes were only meant to surface content
[23:31] <Fuseteam> The usb issue is weird tho
[23:31] <sebsebseb> Fuseteam: yeah  I think they were meant to show news and such
[23:32] <Fuseteam> Yeah and files and messages i suppose
[23:32] <sebsebseb> Fuseteam: I might just end up emailing myself or uhmm firefox send maybe stuff to myself if uhmm
[23:32] <Fuseteam> I mean ssh is an option iirc
[23:32] <sebsebseb> oh yeah ther's that too
[23:33] <sebsebseb> I saw in ut tweaks well saw as inu read I don't have ut tweaks yet
[23:33] <Fuseteam> Ohw hmm what about terminal?
[23:34] <sebsebseb> Fuseteam: I was thinking I can do this later or try too or something :D
[23:34] <sebsebseb> Fuseteam: right now the phone is so nearly un charged as well
[23:35] <sebsebseb> also that cable wehre is it uhmm here some where
[23:35] <Fuseteam> Sounds like a plan xD
[23:35] <sebsebseb> Fuseteam: this ight be the thing that popued up on forum earlier or something similar
[23:35] <sebsebseb> someoen was like will it remove my photos etc
[23:35] <sebsebseb> and they are like no
[23:35] <sebsebseb> Fuseteam: I assume photos and that will stay, since that's some wehre seperate anyway isn't it ?
[23:36] <Fuseteam> Ah cool but yes everything on in your home directory is safe
[23:36] <sebsebseb> Fuseteam: a bit like how the apps are seperate too, hence not upgrading when I did an ota update
[23:37] <Fuseteam> Yeah most apps are in /opt iirc
[23:37] <sebsebseb> Fuseteam: yep that's waht I liked about ubuntu touch too, how it's rather similar to desktop linux like that
[23:37] <Fuseteam> It is yes but its different in other ways ;)
[23:38] <sebsebseb> Fuseteam: then hopefully the  open store or whatever works better to after  re install apps, and  then I can put other ones on no problem such as ut tweaks ?
[23:38] <sebsebseb> yep wayland and unity 8 and things
[23:38] <sebsebseb> and arm
[23:39] <Fuseteam> Yes hopefully
[23:39] <sebsebseb> Fuseteam: so are you a dev ?
[23:39] <sebsebseb> or just user ?
[23:39] <sebsebseb> I got a pine phone early adopters edition to do things with too still, real things, but that's another project
[23:39] <Fuseteam> Yep but also readonly rootfs, but no i'm just a superuser zD
[23:40] <sebsebseb> also randomly rootfs ?
[23:40] <Fuseteam> readonly rootfs is something you don't see often on desktop linux
[23:41] <sebsebseb> what do you mean by that ?
[23:41] <Fuseteam> Are you familiar with the term 'rootfs'?
[23:42] <sebsebseb> Fuseteam: not so much hard of I think though a few times
[23:42] <sebsebseb> the file system ?
[23:42] <sebsebseb>  .  /  ?
[23:42] <Fuseteam> Yes the rootfile system
[23:42] <Fuseteam> *root file
[23:42] <sebsebseb> Fuseteam:  what you mean you see it more on  ububuntu touch ?
[23:42] <sebsebseb>  /
[23:43] <sebsebseb>   / this that and the other
[23:43] <sebsebseb> Fuseteam: desktop linux tends to default to /home it seems :D
[23:43] <sebsebseb>    /home/user
[23:43] <Fuseteam> Essentially every things except for home us not writable be default
[23:44] <sebsebseb> Fuseteam:  in desktop linux or ubuntu touch ?
[23:44] <Fuseteam> On UT
[23:44] <sebsebseb> Fuseteam: yeah that's what I thought apps are kind of seprate some wehre
[23:44] <sebsebseb> the texts in a database or whatever
[23:44] <sebsebseb> the os in folders
[23:44] <sebsebseb> Fuseteam: libertiner in containers etc if that works
[23:45] <Fuseteam> So anything that requires modifications to the root file system ut will cause some issues
[23:45] <sebsebseb> Fuseteam: that's how it should be probably really, only /home can be written too
[23:45] <sebsebseb> yeah well developer mode and th8ings
[23:45] <Fuseteam> Most apps are confined to /opt iiuc
[23:46] <sebsebseb> Fuseteam: yep sort this phone out a bit and then uhmm hmm
[23:46] <Fuseteam> So they don't edit /bin or /etc or something
[23:46] <sebsebseb> Fuseteam: no girl friend now, plus got a lock dwon lol
[23:46] <sebsebseb> Fuseteam: I had a load of free time anyway that I was wasting but uhmm things are a b it diffenret now
[23:46] <Fuseteam> 👀
[23:47] <sebsebseb> Fuseteam: got another phone I want to sort out, but that one is get texts and such off of it
[23:47] <sebsebseb> as well
[23:47] <sebsebseb> Fuseteam: and finally finally finally, try and get it on Sailfish  OS that's why it was bought in the first place, not to run Android which have been doing for over two years now on it
[23:48] <sebsebseb> Fuseteam: and I got a pine phone as I mentieond above, an a few sd cards, so got ubports to try on that,and sailifsh os, and a few other ones, and I got a pine book pro that can do more with as well,  the default debian streetch is a bit boring
[23:55] <Fuseteam> Oof
[23:55] <sebsebseb> Fuseteam: why oof ?
[23:56] <Fuseteam> I somehow missed your messages :p
[23:58] <Fuseteam> But yes libertine is meant things that are build for linux desktop, buts also still experimental so not everything works out if the box