[07:44] <valerio> buongiorno a tutti
[07:45] <valerio> volevo fare una domanda a chi mi puo rispondere.
[07:47] <valerio> ho da qualche giorno installato ubuntu studio 20.04 e nel menu non riesco a trovare il software center per installare nuovi programmi.
[07:48] <valerio> qualcuno sa per caso dove si trova?
[07:49] <shaban238> non si chiama piu software center
[07:49] <shaban238> lo trovi con il nome di snap store
[07:50] <valerio> grazie ora verifico
[08:55] <sakrecoer[m]> re: launchpad bug subscription... so weird... the bug is present neither in subscribed nor in commented, despite me doing both...
[08:58] <StevenJayCohen> <sakrecoer[m] "re: launchpad bug subscription.."> I'd be happy to check, but it seems that everything is running at a crawl right now (naturally). What bug are you trying to track?
[09:00] <sakrecoer[m]> Steven Jay Cohen: this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-oem-osp1/+bug/1864061
[09:04] <sakrecoer[m]> it's not ubuntustudio related... not expecting answers here, just hoping  :D i'm just to lazy to go on IRC... would need to go through too much config inflating life in my irssi shell again...
[09:11] <StevenJayCohen> Everything is absolutely crawling right now because of the new release
[10:26] <romsom> Hi there!
[10:27] <romsom> I was just looking for an Ubuntustudio iso and noticed they are hosted without SSL (including the checksums).
[10:28] <romsom> Is there a secure way to verify the validity of the iso or torrent I just downloaded?
[10:28] <Eickmeyer> romsom: cdimage.ubuntu.com should have the checksums.
[10:29] <vlt> Eickmeyer: But no SSL :-|
[10:31] <romsom> vlt: exactly! I found that there are detached PGP signatures for the checksums though
[10:33] <vlt> shaban238: Is "snap store" the new frontend for apt?
[10:33] <romsom> Also there are no checksums for the .torrent file. I'm not so sure I want to hand that file to transmission without any validation :/
[10:36] <shaban238> @vlt yes
[10:36] <Eickmeyer> vlt: That's canonical's infrastructure. It's not like you're passing private information to the server, so no need to worry.
[10:37] <romsom> Eickmeyer: I'm more concerned with the validity of the iso.
[10:37] <Eickmeyer> romsom: Then verify with the checksums posted on that site.
[10:38] <Eickmeyer> That site is THE authority.
[10:38] <romsom> Which, again, could have been compromised
[10:38] <romsom> (The checksum I mean)
[10:38] <Eickmeyer> romsom: You're getting it for free. There's litereallly NOTHING I can do about it.
[10:39] <romsom> Eickmeyer: I'm not complaining about your advice. Sorry if it came across like that!
[10:39] <Eickmeyer> This is how ALL Ubntu flavors, including Ubuntu proper, are presented.
[10:39] <Eickmeyer> If it doesn't work for you, don't download it.
[10:43] <romsom> Well that's a bit disappointing. A fix wouldn't be so hard, even without changing Cannonical's official infrastructure: Just add a direct link to the checksums to the ubuntustudio server (behind SSL of course) and put a note about against PGP key the detached signature should be checked on the download page.
[10:44] <Eickmeyer> What do you mean??? Canonical does all the hosting. I have ZERO control over how the ISO is hosted. Zero.
[10:45] <Eickmeyer> There is no Ubuntu Studio server. It's all Ubuntu. Not separate
[10:45] <romsom> Ah, I see
[10:45] <romsom> I thought Ubuntu Studio was a community project. My mistake, sorry!
[10:45] <Eickmeyer> It's a community project, but it's not a separate distribution.
[10:46] <Eickmeyer> No official Ubuntu flavor is a separate distribution from Ubuntu.
[10:46] <romsom> So you don't have control over the website contents at ubuntustudio.org?
[10:46] <Eickmeyer> I have control over the contents, but not the hosting.
[10:47] <romsom> OK, then the fix I proposed would work
[10:47] <vlt> Eickmeyer: You might to calm down a bit ;-)  Nobody is accusing ou of anything.
[10:47] <Eickmeyer> I can't, for instance, upload an ISO to the website.
[10:47] <Eickmeyer> vlt: I"m calm.
[10:48] <romsom> Eickmeyer: That not necessary. The checksums and the fingerprint of the key with which the checksums on cdimage.ubuntu.com were signed are enough
[10:48] <Eickmeyer> The thing is, these options being presented are not possible for us. Our website is simply a wordpress instance. I don't even have access to the root.
[10:48] <romsom> It's all just plain text :)
[10:48] <Eickmeyer> Canonical owns the server.
[10:50] <romsom> Could you add the contents of SHA256SUMS to the download page then?
[10:50] <Eickmeyer> No, because it hasn't released yet. What are you downloading?
[10:51] <romsom> 19.10
[10:51] <Eickmeyer> Why when 20.04 comes out in a matter of hours?
[10:51] <Eickmeyer> Here's your checksum: d46703f4f8be6adc4a38c622611dc3d72307deea5804bd649c46bebb5da7470b *ubuntustudio-19.10-dvd-amd64.iso
[10:52] <Eickmeyer> Guess where I pulled that?
[10:52] <Eickmeyer> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/19.10/release/SHA256SUMS
[10:52] <Eickmeyer> I have no other source. I don't even make the ISO myself, it's all automated.
[10:52] <romsom> Because I need it now and also because I didn't know, 20.04 was coming so soon :)
[10:53] <Eickmeyer> romsom: You claim you've been to the website. On the front page, it says "Final Version Coming April 23".
[10:54] <shaban238> i would suggest also to wait for the 20.04
[10:54] <romsom> Ok, sorry for stealing your time then at such a time :)
[10:55] <Eickmeyer> If I'm coming across as angry, I apologize. It's release day, and that's always a little stressful. You're literally the only person that has ever complained about the lack of SSL. If you don't like it, take it up with Canonical.
[10:56] <romsom> Ok, no harm done :) Thanks for taking the time anyway!
[10:58] <romsom> Have a painless uind successful release day! - And thanks for you work! :)
[10:58] <Eickmeyer> romsom: Thanks for stopping by. :)
[11:04] <shaban238> Eickmeyer at which time its planned the release today?
[11:05] <Eickmeyer> shaban238: It's ready when it's ready.
[11:05] <shaban238> ok :)
[11:06] <StevenJayCohen> shaban238: You could just plan to install over the weekend
[11:07] <shaban238> im already using the beta and i should say my complimets to all developers, really great job :D
[11:07] <StevenJayCohen> So it will become the release on its own, you don't need to do anything
[11:07] <shaban238> yep
[15:30] <zardozo[m]> when are they releasing it today?
[15:31] <Eickmeyer> zardozo[m]: It's ready when it's ready.
[15:31] <zardozo[m]> lol kk
[15:32] <zardozo[m]> thank you. great job you guys diare doin
[15:32] <zardozo[m]> are
[15:34] <Eickmeyer> zardozo[m]: Thanks. :)
[17:10] <wingedrhino> When are the 20.04 links expected to be updated?
[17:11] <StevenJayCohen> I see the new link on the website now
[17:11] <wingedrhino> Which timezone is the release team based in BTW?
[17:12] <wingedrhino> I'm at UTC+05:30, so spent the last 12 hours wondering where the links are lol
[17:13] <dax> maybe we should just tell people ubuntu releases are on fridays
[17:13] <dax> would confuse the UTC+foo people a bit less :P
[17:13] <StevenJayCohen> Why not just load up a local mirror directory and forget about the site links?
[17:14] <wingedrhino> StevenJayCohen, I didn't find the link on the website, but I edited the link myself lol
[17:14] <wingedrhino> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/focal/release/ubuntustudio-20.04-dvd-amd64.iso
[17:14] <wingedrhino> :D
[17:14] <Eickmeyer> That ISO is subject to change until it's officially released.
[17:15] <StevenJayCohen> Here's my POV. They said sometime today. So, since it is still today somewhere, it isn't late. Were I planning on installing, I'd wait until it was tomorrow everywhere before looking for the ISO
[17:15] <Eickmeyer> I will be posting on the website, tweeting, sending an email, and posting on Facebook when it's released.
[17:15] <Eickmeyer> Until then... DO NOT DOWNLOAD.
[17:15] <Eickmeyer> wingedrhino:
[17:15] <dax> or do, but if it changes we'll all laugh at you
[17:15] <dax> (seriously though, don't)
[17:15] <Eickmeyer> hahaha
[17:15] <wingedrhino> Eickmeyer, yeah makes sense lol
[17:16] <shaban238> haha
[17:16] <StevenJayCohen> So, everyone but wingedrhino can download now, yes?
[17:16]  * Eickmeyer glares at StevenJayCohen
[17:16] <wingedrhino> I'm going to be honest here, I'm more excited about Ardour 6.0 than UbuntuStudio 20.04.
[17:17]  * StevenJayCohen returns to his corner and mutters to himself
[17:17] <Eickmeyer> wingedrhino: I plan on backporting that when it's released. Might be its own backport repo since I don't want to mess-up those that still need 5.12.
[17:19] <wingedrhino> Eickmeyer, yeah that be cool! The websocket server is interesting. A few friends of mine did an online concert where one of them sent their OSC UDP packets to the other, with SuperCollider. I want to see if I can create similar workflows on Ardour.
[17:19] <Eickmeyer> There are some special things that were done for live mixing too (my forte), so I'm excited for that.
[17:20] <wingedrhino> I'm not sure if they support sending MIDI via WebSockets yet though. But I'm writing a little MIDI proxy myself! Hoping I can contribute it to UbuntuStudio when it's out lol
[17:20] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks knows more about that. He contributes to Ardour.
[17:21] <wingedrhino> I've a friend with an electric drumkit that might or might not speak MIDI. It'd be interesting if I can get him to live jam with me during quarantine. Ideally only the guitarist/vocalist would need to send audio signals, so they can run the server. Keys and Drums can be MIDI.
[17:23] <wingedrhino> Is there any other program in UbuntuStudio that does MIDI proxy over internet? Like if I want to send signals from my MIDI controller to you, and have it show up as a virtual midi device on your box?
[17:24] <Eickmeyer> I'm not sure. Hang on, got release management-type stuff going on.
[17:25] <wingedrhino> Good luck! And remember, it's always cool to be fashionably late :D
[17:25] <Eickmeyer> Meh, it'll be released within minutes of the official Ubuntu annoucement.
[17:27] <wingedrhino> Bah! We're musicians! Our timezone is UTC+23:59 :p
[17:27] <OvenWerks> wingedrhino: Studio has qmidinet
[17:28] <OvenWerks> OSC, midi and webkit are all different
[17:29] <OvenWerks> the webkit deal was at one time going to interface with the OSC setup... but the creater of that module did it their own way so it is different
[17:30] <OvenWerks> There is as yet no section in the Ardour manual describing the web interface.
[17:30] <OvenWerks> it is very much a WIP. It landed as a PR less than two weeks ago (maybe only one?).
[17:33] <wingedrhino> OvenWerks, aah okay. But still, the possibilities are endless! Just peeped into qMidiNet. Does it come with a documented API? I don't see one right now. If it does, you could have a webapp talk to it, and then you can use generic midi learn on your other machine to control Ardour.
[17:34] <wingedrhino> That IMO would be a more "generic" solution which can work for multiple applications.
[17:38] <OvenWerks> it is based on the protocol is the windows ipmidi applet
[17:39] <OvenWerks> There is someone working on rtpmidi, but it was not complete/released in time (still not beyond beta if I remember correctly) to get packaged and include in Studio.
[17:40] <OvenWerks> I think there as a MacOS version of ipmidi as well. That is about as generic is they come.
[17:41] <OvenWerks> I still don't see how midi (of any sort) would be connected to a web app.
[17:42] <OvenWerks> Ardour's webkit interface is control only, no audio or midi interface (which would need to real time... which the web anything is not)
[17:42] <wingedrhino> You'd be able to do that, but only use MIDI for control.
[17:43] <OvenWerks> web audio/video is generally latent from source by at least 500ms
[17:43] <OvenWerks> why? you can already talk directly to Ardour via midi, why add a slow web midi interface?
[17:44] <wingedrhino> Realistically I just need a bunch of on/off toggle buttons and sliders on a browser that's in the same WiFi network as the DAW.
[17:44] <OvenWerks> both OSC and the webkit can do that... OSC is more mature
[17:45] <wingedrhino> Because I don't own any midi controllers (I have a keyboard though), but I do own a couple of old phones with a slightly bad USB port.
[17:45] <wingedrhino> Thinking about gluing a phone case to my guitar so I can change patches while jamming without touching the laptop.
[17:47] <wingedrhino> The latency can't be THAT bad for MIDI in the same LAN though can it? I'd ideas about making these pads that play one bass note when you tap them, and noodling over it on my guitar.
[17:47] <wingedrhino> I.e, they'd play a note and hold that note, until I hit a different pad, or tap the same pad again
[17:47] <OvenWerks> https://v0.openstagecontrol.ammd.net/ is an OSC controller for Ardour as an example. It can aslo be controled via a browser
[17:48] <wingedrhino> Aah yes I've come across that project.
[17:49] <OvenWerks> wingedrhino: install a drum applet on your cell phone and see if you can play drums just locally
[17:49] <Eickmeyer> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2020-April/000256.html
[17:50] <wingedrhino> Eickmeyer, :p
[17:50] <OvenWerks> Yahoo!
[17:51] <wingedrhino> OvenWerks, about the latency though - I tried KDEConnect's remote control keyboard & touchpad. It is actually pretty usable! I reckon a MIDI server should be similar.
[17:51] <OvenWerks> wingedrhino: I found the delay from tapping a drum on my phone screen to hearing that drum sound was so long so as to make it unusable.
[17:51] <Eickmeyer> https://ubuntustudio.org/2020/04/ubuntu-studio-20-04-lts-released/
[17:51] <wingedrhino> OvenWerks, was this over LAN or was this over WAN?
[17:52] <OvenWerks> on the same phone
[17:52] <OvenWerks> no network involved
[17:52] <wingedrhino> Well... I use some synths on the phone and they're a bit laggy too
[17:52] <OvenWerks> The android audio stack is very slow
[17:53] <wingedrhino> But networking for sending tiny MIDI packets ought to be fast!
[17:53] <OvenWerks> yes. I tried a number of aplets for sound but the drums are most noticable because they are percusive
[17:54] <wingedrhino> I agree. I stopped hunting for drum emulators, bought myself a Cajon and learnt to play it :D
[17:54] <wingedrhino> It's household furniture when not in use. And makes for a lovely standing desk if I put it on my regular desk and my laptop on it.
[17:55] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: impress is included: nice
[17:56] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Yep, that was requested by a lot of people.
[17:57] <wingedrhino> Is sheets included? I vaguely remember a version of UbuntuStudio lacking it.
[17:57] <OvenWerks> missing due to bitrot (old python) does not include idjc
[17:57] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: ^^
[17:57] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Correct.
[17:57] <Eickmeyer> wingedrhino: That's called Calc.
[17:58] <wingedrhino> Eickmeyer, yieks. Yeah that.
[17:58]  * wingedrhino doesn't use office software that much anyway
[17:58] <Eickmeyer> No, it includes Calc.
[17:59] <Eickmeyer> I had to double-check the seed. XD
[18:03] <wingedrhino> Eickmeyer, Cadence and Catia not yet available in UbuntuStudio, are they?
[18:04] <OvenWerks> Cadence never will be
[18:04] <linuxgecko> I'm trying to use OBS on ubuntu studio 19.10. there appears to be 2 entries for it.   one versions itself as 0.0.1, and the other is 25.0.7.  each has WORKING features i need,  but neither has both of the main features.
[18:05] <wingedrhino> OvenWerks, what are the reasons behind that?
[18:05] <OvenWerks> The author is end of lifing it
[18:06] <OvenWerks> it is very intrusive and can not be uninstalled
[18:06] <OvenWerks> it interferes with Studio-controls as well
[18:06] <wingedrhino> Yeah. I messed up the laptop I'm typing this from after setting up KXStudio repos.
[18:06] <linuxgecko> 0.0.1 seems to have working direct input from jack, but no browser capture.  25.0.7 has browser capture, and SAYS it can add jack input clients, but they don't show up in qjackctl connections like they do when i use 0.0.1.   this feels like a permissions thing.  how can i fix it?
[18:07] <OvenWerks> falktx is dividing the cadence package so the utilities will be separate packages
[18:07] <OvenWerks> we will probably package all of them besides cadence
[18:08] <OvenWerks> if falktx decides to redo cadence so it works for us, we will look at it again in the future
[18:09] <OvenWerks> however, from what he has said cadence is a log way down the list for him if ever.
[18:10] <OvenWerks> linuxgecko: I have been using OBS on 18.04 with no problems using both jack inputs and browser. I will have to look at what is in 20.04
[18:11] <Eickmeyer> linuxgecko: You need to talk to the OBS people about that. We don't ship 25.0.7, so that tells me you're using something from outside the Ubuntu repos.
[18:11] <Eickmeyer> In other words, it's unsupported.
[18:11] <Eickmeyer> !obs-studio focal
[18:11] <OvenWerks> the one in the ubuntu repos grabs browser
[18:12] <Eickmeyer> !info obs-studio focal
[18:12] <Eickmeyer> And if you're on 19.10...
[18:12] <Eickmeyer> !info obs-studio eoan
[18:13] <linuxgecko> OvenWerks: that's what i expected also.   focal is live for upgrading? i didn't get the message i expected.  i have it set to tell me, or so i thought
[18:13] <Eickmeyer> Focal is live, but upgrades might be a few days.
[18:14] <Eickmeyer> Focal went live less than 1/2 hour ago.
[18:15] <OvenWerks> I am not sure that audio follows video though. browser audio may have to be routed separately
[18:15] <OvenWerks> linuxgecko: ^^
[18:15] <linuxgecko> btw, i've avoided ubuntu for a long time because of a lot of reasons, but the fine job you guys did on 19.10 with the studio-secific stuff, brought me back for media stuff.  thanks :)
[18:15] <OvenWerks> I am not on my studio machine right now so I can't play with it
[18:16] <OvenWerks> your welcome
[18:16] <OvenWerks> I was about ready to give up a few years ago.
[18:17] <OvenWerks> (and my studio machine is in the middle of an upgrade)
[18:17]  * OvenWerks wants to spend time with his Yf before she goes to work
[18:18] <linuxgecko> the biggest thing i've been trying to do on my own, that works EXCELLENTLY in studio, is marry jack and pulse as seemlessly as possible, so you don't have to clunk to get audio between them.
[18:18] <OvenWerks> linuxgecko: I will be adding output to bluetooth via pulse some time soon.
[18:19] <linuxgecko> that would be excellent :)
[18:20] <OvenWerks> I have a few bits to figure out some things for Ardour 6.0 release first
[18:20] <linuxgecko> the one thing i want to do, and expect it should be working, and doesn't seem to, is routing sound to the 3 monitors on my RX 580.    and that doesn't seem to work....
[18:20] <OvenWerks> documentation mostly
[18:21] <linuxgecko> one of them, i know it's a lost cause.  it's Active DP->HDMI->DVI  canverted.   but the other 2 are pure HDMI.
[18:21] <linuxgecko> !info qjackctl focal
[18:22] <StevenJayCohen> Hey linuxgecko OvenWerks I was wondering, in Ardour, can you set a punch in point without needing a punch out point?
[18:22] <StevenJayCohen> Essentially, write over the mistake and continue
[18:23] <OvenWerks> linuxgecko:  hdmi sound is problematic for jack it may work for you with the buffer set really high (4096). I don't know if zita-ajbridge will handle that though.
[18:25] <linuxgecko> OvenWerks large buffer intoduces delay tho, doesn't it?
[18:25] <OvenWerks> linuxgecko: it may take some commandline messing about to figure it out. I do have an hdmi sound IF (adaptor from hdmi to audio and ntsc video) and will see if zita-ajbridge can be special cased to work
[18:25] <OvenWerks> hdmi expects dely
[18:25] <linuxgecko> ok
[18:26] <OvenWerks> StevenJayCohen: I reall don't knw the answer to that
[18:28] <OvenWerks> StevenJayCohen: I haven't done enough tracking to know, in that case I normally start a new region and trim the start to where I want it.
[18:28] <OvenWerks> sometimes I will use a second track even
[18:30] <OvenWerks> linuxgecko: something to know is that in the mainline computer world "low latency" means 30ms. This is what I found in the intel specs for their HDA chipsets.
[18:30] <linuxgecko> low enough latency that many will not hear it :)
[18:31] <OvenWerks> there are a lot HDA chips sets that will not even allow jack to start when set to buffer size of 64/2
[18:31] <OvenWerks> at about 20 to 30 ms my playing suffers
[18:31] <OvenWerks> ie, put a long cable on my bass and walk as far as it will go and I am out of time.
[18:31] <StevenJayCohen> It's a way of working common in spoken word stuff (like audiobooks) not music -- record over a mispronunciation and continue with the chapter. But, since it isn't common in music, sometimes it's hard to get software like Ardour to work as desired.
[18:32] <OvenWerks> StevenJayCohen: have you asked in #ardour?
[18:33] <OvenWerks> or on the forum? ( https://discourse.ardour.org/ )
[18:35] <OvenWerks> Paul is working on the Ardour release notes so I guess 6.0 is out reall soon now.
[18:35] <wingedrhino> OvenWerks, dang! That calls for even more celebration :D
[18:36] <OvenWerks> and  more backporting
[18:36] <wingedrhino> Pity the timelines didn't match with 20.04 though
[18:36] <wingedrhino> Any big differences in the UI? I haven't yet checked it out.
[18:37] <OvenWerks> Robin wanted to release 6.0 a week ago, but it still would have been to late for us
[18:37] <OvenWerks> yes there are differences from ardour 5 to 6
[18:37] <wingedrhino> I've been using Ardour on and off for an year now. I still haven't figured out how to record in it lol. Only use it as a mixer, and record in Audacity.
[18:37] <OvenWerks> the session file format has changed as well
[18:38] <OvenWerks> so ardour 6 can use ardour 5 session  files but ardour 5 can't use ardour 6 sessions
[18:38] <wingedrhino> I suppose there's an option to convert v5 sessions into v6 sessions?
[18:39] <OvenWerks> ( ardour 6 does keep a copy version 5 sessions as back up)
[18:39] <OvenWerks> if you try to open an old session file it will be converted
[18:40] <OvenWerks> I don't know how far it goes back.
[18:40]  * OvenWerks needs to scan some homework for his son so he can hand it in
[18:41] <wingedrhino> Since I never recorded anything, I can simply re-create my mixer/pedalboard on v6 and keep it clean.
[19:10] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: regarding skanlite. it seems to be a step backwards for my use anyway
[19:10] <linuxgecko> OvenWerks when you get back.  i just cleared out my obs-studio installed from the software app, and installed 23.2.1+dfsg-1 via apt on command-line to be sure. how are you getting browser-capture in that version? it's not showing in the "add source" list.
[19:13] <OvenWerks> it does not save to pdf, in particular multi page pdf.
[19:13] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: gscan2pdf?
[19:14] <OvenWerks> linuxgecko: sources->+->Window capture->create new->in dialog there is a window dropdown, select your browser window
[19:15] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: that is to scan with or takes scans already made and combines them?
[19:15] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: both, I believe.
[19:15]  * Eickmeyer hasn't used that in ages
[19:21] <OvenWerks> it looks from the description, to be all cli
[19:22] <OvenWerks> anyway installing all the scanner guis I can find :)
[19:23] <Eickmeyer> Hahaha
[19:23] <Eickmeyer> gscan2pdf is a gui.
[19:24] <linuxgecko> OvenWerks ok.  that probably works. but it's not quite what i was expecting. when i stream from windows, i can select a URL as a source, and my alerts display in a scene layer.
[19:26] <linuxgecko> OvenWerks the current implimentation in OBS on linux basically uses a CEF instance to render it. ok. i thought that's what you had working.
[19:27] <linuxgecko> it's builtin as of 25.x, which focal has. but eoan doesn't.  I guess i just need to wait a few days for update options.
[19:30] <Eickmeyer> linuxgecko: You can upgrade now if you want. Type "update-manager -d".
[19:30] <Eickmeyer> That will force the upgrade
[19:32] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: gscan2pdf works fine
[19:32] <OvenWerks> and despite it's description, it does have a gui
[19:33] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: That tells me someone in Debian didn't update debian/control in the packaging.
[19:34] <StevenJayCohen> <OvenWerks "Steven Jay Cohen: have you asked"> Not recently, which is of course my fault.
[19:37] <linuxgecko> Eickmeyer it's stable now? or is the wait because of bandwidth planning or something?
[19:38] <linuxgecko> !info qjackctl eoan
[19:39] <linuxgecko> !info qjackctl focal
[19:39] <Eickmeyer> linuxgecko: It's stable, just upgrades aren't as well tested.
[19:39] <linuxgecko> ok.
[19:39] <Eickmeyer> linuxgecko: Also, we don't support using qjackctl here. We replaced it with Ubuntu Studio Controls
[19:39] <Eickmeyer> !ubuntustudio-controls
[19:41] <linuxgecko> are we going to get qjackctl with the nice graph connections anytime soon? my spiderweb is getting rought to maintain.  it's not static enough for patchbay to always be helpful.
[19:41] <OvenWerks> Ok, somehow a bunch of my applications have vanished
[19:41] <Eickmeyer> linuxgecko: You can use Carla for your patchbay.
[19:41] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: xsane also works but it looks like it has a bigger learning curve
[19:42] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: If it depended on Python 2, it's pretty much gone.
[19:42] <OvenWerks> no I mean stuf that was installed is gone
[19:43] <Eickmeyer> Odd.
[19:43] <OvenWerks> like -installer and -controls
[19:43] <OvenWerks> probably why my icons are odd
[19:43] <Eickmeyer> You must've uninstalled something one of those depends on.
[19:44] <OvenWerks> I am not sure what
[19:44] <Eickmeyer> I didn't have that issue here, but E:UpSince3AM
[19:44] <OvenWerks> studio on top of kubuntu?
[19:44] <Eickmeyer> Yep.
[19:45] <linuxgecko> Eickmeyer things like that usually set off hazmat-level warnings. or you should know better than to remove them.. :/
[19:45] <OvenWerks> installer shows everything installed
[19:45] <Eickmeyer> I'd do a fresh install to test, but again, ERR:UpSince3Am, ERR:MustRest
[19:45] <OvenWerks> its' ok
[19:45] <OvenWerks> I'll maybe try again
[19:47] <OvenWerks> Icon trouble
[19:47] <OvenWerks> I think icons is my whole problem. Once I solve that things will be fine
[19:47] <OvenWerks> I don't know how installer vanished though
[19:55] <linuxgecko> Eickmeyer THANK YOU for recommending carla!  much of this is what i need from the newer qjack :)
[20:00] <StevenJayCohen> <linuxgecko "Eickmeyer THANK YOU for recommen"> Carla is an amazing piece of software
[20:11] <wingedrhino> I'm going to try something funny. I'm installing UbuntuStudio in a virtualbox VM, then copy the disk image onto a USB drive and try booting from it on another laptop.
[20:18] <OvenWerks> wingedrhino: depending on the system, A USB drive with the ISO running live will be faster than an install on the same USB drive.
[20:18] <OvenWerks> It depends on the ration of cpu speed/ram to USB drive speed
[20:19] <OvenWerks> The ISO file system is compressed and so is retrieved faster but takes time to uncompress.
[20:20] <wingedrhino> OvenWerks, yeah but I also want LUKS encryption and all that. I'm trying to test an idea whereby I can give a bunch of pre-setup 64GB USB drives to people that has a full UbuntuStudio experience, including the ability to save files, install updates, etc.
[20:21] <wingedrhino> And leave the main HDD untouched.
[21:09] <PLC> hi' there
[21:12] <PLC> A simple question about Ardour ...
[21:12] <PLC> is it free, we know it ...
[21:12] <PLC> You must built yourself if you don't want limitation
[21:13] <PLC> is it precompiled version on ubuntustudio without stuff to do to use it ?
[21:13] <OvenWerks> PLC: I am not sure what you mean
[21:14] <OvenWerks> the version in ubuntu is a full version that has been compiled by ubuntu developers with the system libs
[21:14] <OvenWerks>  it is not the same as any of the downloadable versions from ardour.org but can exist on the saem system and the user cqan choose which to use
[21:15] <OvenWerks> however it should work the same and use the same session files
[21:15] <PLC> ok a full version without restrictions ?
[21:15] <OvenWerks> there are no restrictions
[21:15] <PLC> :)
[21:16] <PLC> I'm waiting today since 15 days this new vesion, and maybe use it for Long time ;)
[21:17] <OvenWerks> I am doing an install here myself
[21:18] <PLC> almost all the software i use is in it ...
[21:18] <PLC> I'm in VBox just tu test an application I need
[21:18] <PLC> just for testing*
[21:18] <PLC> seems work in live session
[21:20] <PLC> I just hesitate with desk environnement