[00:23] <Rosewhisper> Hope you have a really successful release today/tomorrow :)
[04:12] <zaphodb777> Found a deal-breaker in 20.04... it can't mount simple samba shares off my windows machines, or even my netgear router.
[04:12] <zaphodb777> "Software caused connection abort."
[04:15] <zaphodb777> Oh well, back to Lubuntu 18.04.
[07:56] <fnordberg> greetings, may i bother someone with a question in regards to upgrading xubuntu to 20.04 upon it's release?
[08:02] <gnrp> !hi
[08:02] <gnrp> no,w ait. That's not what I wanted...^^
[08:02] <gnrp> !ask
[08:02] <gnrp> fnordberg: yep, that one.^^
[08:05] <Unit193> fnordberg: Heya, what's up?
[08:09] <fnordberg> thanks gnrp. ok so i missed the upgrade from 19.04 to 19.10 by a longshot, i could have upgraded last week but i figured with 20.04 imminent that i might as well wait it out. however support for repositories in 19.04 also ended last week so i had to edit my sources.list to read old-releases instead of archive.ubuntu.com. my question is do i need to revert back to 'archive' in order to preform a
[08:09] <fnordberg> successful upgrade?
[08:12] <gnrp> fnordberg: I don't get, what does one of the lines in your sources.list now look like?
[08:12] <gnrp> just paste one line of your sources.list
[08:13] <fnordberg> deb http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ disco universe
[08:13] <gnrp> ah, yes
[08:13] <gnrp> e.g., for universe I have the following line:       deb http://ch.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ focal universe
[08:14] <gnrp> well, don't mind the ch., but you get the spirit ;)
[08:15] <fnordberg> right, and that was failing for me because of end of support. so in order to continue to access the repositories i had to change the url
[08:15] <gnrp> btw, one way to find this out would be to just visit the address. If you go into the `dists` directory, you see the versions supported
[08:15] <gnrp> then you can see that in http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists there is no `focal`
[08:16] <gnrp> but in http://ch.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ there is
[08:16] <gnrp> and vice versa, no disco on the ch.archive.ubuntu.com server
[08:17] <fnordberg> and focal is the current release name yes? so i will most likely have to change it back for an upgrade
[08:17] <gnrp> yep
[08:18] <gnrp> if the release name would not match, you would also notice it. I actually never tried, but I guess `apt update` would return an error
[08:19] <fnordberg> that makes sense. thank you so much. will i lose any of my settings in upgrade and will it re-install some of the applications i chose to uninstall from 19.04?
[08:21] <gnrp> you could always be losing settings. In my experience, upgrade paths are not stable with *any* Linux distro out there. For me, the recent xubuntu upgrades went fine, the only thing that always failed was the uefi boot loader installation when using the graphical updater
[08:22] <gnrp> concerning re-installation and uninstallation: Could be. Depends on what you uninstalled. When you uninstalled something that entails deinstallation of important meta packages, you should be careful anyway
[08:23] <gnrp> I didn't look into it in detail what new applications are shipped with 20.04 compared to older versions. Maybe the easiest is to save the list of upgraded/deinstalled/etc. software and go through it afterwards
[08:24] <gnrp> but there is no general statement possible. Package dependencies change all the time, and also what is shipped along with a standard installation changes all the time. So you have to give it a go and check
[08:24] <_Alex_58> good morning :)
[08:25] <_Alex_58> is it possible to ask for the future availability of a couple of packages?
[08:26] <_Alex_58> I mean some package available for older versions of xubuntu, but not present in the beta version
[08:28] <gnrp> !ask
[08:28] <gnrp> _Alex_58: Just ask. But I doubt there is a general answer that anyone here can give
[08:29] <gnrp> sometimes it depends on *any* of the 7bio people on earth to pick up software development and make it a package again. So you have to address quite alot of people :P
[08:29] <gnrp> but for some packages, clear answers can be given^^
[08:29] <fnordberg> Mainly I got rid of Parole and Thunderbird in favour of VLC and webmail. But it's not an issue if I have to axe them again. :) well I guess I'll just have to hope for the best and see how it goes. I feel more confident and prepared now at least. Thanks very much for your help gnrp
[08:29] <_Alex_58> thanks, I can't find in the repository amule, dispcalgui, docky
[08:30] <_Alex_58> will they be available in the official release?
[08:30] <gnrp> fnordberg: Yeah, just try it out. Here, tunderbird does not entail any further dependencies and it is actually a good idea
[08:30]  * gnrp removes thunderbird from his system
[08:30] <_Alex_58> for dispcalgui and docky I found a little workaround
[08:31] <_Alex_58> the first can be downloaded from the official page, but not all the dependencies are listed (apt --fix-broken install can fix everything)
[08:32] <_Alex_58> docky can be substituted by plank (too skninny) or cairo-dock (too fat), I'm using plank
[08:32] <_Alex_58> but amule has no substitutes
[08:35] <fnordberg> alright I'm headed to bed, have a good night guys :)
[08:35] <gnrp> fnordberg: gn8
[08:35] <gnrp> _Alex_58: I don't know any of these tools tbh^^
[08:35] <gnrp> _Alex_58: But in general, go to packages.ubuntu.com and search for the package
[08:35] <gnrp> you will find maintainer infos on the right there, and also a link to their mailing lists
[08:36] <gnrp> and changelogs, etc.
[08:36] <gnrp> you have to search a bit.
[08:37] <gnrp> In general, there are many reasons why a package can be thrown out. Maybe there is just no maintainer anymore
[08:37] <gnrp> Also search for bugs on launchpad.net
[08:38] <gnrp> so in *this* channel, you pretty sure will not find the information. The packages seem to not be xubuntu-specific, so #ubuntu would be more appropriate to ask. But in general, there are other ways in which you can contact maintainers/developers, that would be more appropriate
[08:38] <gnrp> I'm sorry I cannot give you a really helpful answer, but the only one I can give is: Dig deeper. And start with the last package description you find on packages.ubuntu.com and with issues on launchpad.net
[08:38] <_Alex_58> ok, thanks a lot for the complete answer
[08:39] <_Alex_58> I'm trying the first option, then I'll try the others
[08:39] <gnrp> for dispcalgui you should notice anyway that it is now called displaycal
[08:41] <gnrp> ah, and of course, also use the launchpad.net site for the packages
[08:41] <gnrp> e.g., https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/docky
[08:41] <_Alex_58> yes, when I search I just look for disp
[08:42] <_Alex_58> but I can't find it in the complete list of packages for Focal
[08:43] <gnrp> there is a complete list, but it is long. ;)
[08:43] <gnrp> I usually find the search on packages.ubuntu.com most helpful
[08:43] <_Alex_58> I just read it all...
[08:43] <gnrp> ah, sorry, misunderstood
[08:43] <_Alex_58> no trace of the packages I need
[08:44] <gnrp> some packages are just abandoned because there is no maintainer anymore. So you could even think of adopting it yourself
[08:44] <_Alex_58> I hope they will be added in the final version
[08:46] <_Alex_58> thank you very much anyway, I'll try to contact the maintainers :)
[08:47] <gnrp> I doubt any new packages will be added
[08:47] <blohshyboi>  /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER blohshyboi rbpiysncloyf
[08:47] <gnrp> blohshyboi: Uh-oh. ;)
[08:49] <Unit193> It's not a password, so that's good.
[08:49] <gnrp> Unit193: At last.^^
[08:52] <_Alex_58> thank a lot again and good bye :)
[08:54] <blohshyboi> Oh, oops
[08:54] <blohshyboi> my bad
[08:54] <blohshyboi> It wasn't working on NickServ so i thought it was here :(
[08:55] <Unit193> If you send messages to nickserv such as changing your password or identifying, switching to the status window so in case there's a space or otherwise it goes to the wrong place, it doesn't go into any channels.
[08:57] <blohshyboi> Oh ok, thanks!
[09:26] <antoine__> Hello, I am using xubuntu 19.10 on a vaio laptop with an nvidia graphic card. I can't get sound through hdmi.
[09:26] <antoine__> Would you have any idea how I could fix it?
[09:27] <blohshyboi> Can you open Pulse Audio Control and send a screenshot of the devices
[09:28] <antoine__> I have nvidia x server settings in my settings and I have NVIDIA listed under additional drivers
[09:28] <antoine__> blohshyboi: Do I launch it with pavucontrol?
[09:28] <blohshyboi> yes
[09:29] <blohshyboi> I am currently not on Xubuntu so I can't guide you exactly through everything but I'll try my best
[09:29] <antoine__> Thanks a lot :)
[09:31] <antoine__> (I'm uploading the screeenshot)
[09:33] <blohshyboi> ok
[09:34] <antoine__> blohshyboi: huchet.me/pavucontrol.png
[09:34] <antoine__> Oh it's not in english :s
[09:35] <antoine__> First line means speakers and second line means headphones
[09:36] <blohshyboi> I'll have to check my Xubuntu pc because I had a similar issue and I'll get back when I have something
[09:37] <antoine__> Ok, thanks a lot :)
[09:38] <Antoine-> blohshyboi: Can you message me on this account? I'll disconnect the other one. This one stays logged in.
[09:39] <blohshyboi> ok
[09:39] <blohshyboi> I am trying to research a little while I can't get to it and I found this entry on AskUbuntu that seems similar to your issue
[09:39] <blohshyboi> https://askubuntu.com/questions/512621/unable-to-get-audio-through-hdmi-connection-to-tv-with-ubuntu-14-04
[09:39] <blohshyboi> the solution seemed to be this command
[09:39] <blohshyboi> sudo adduser $USER audio
[09:39] <Antoine-> Yes, I did that too :s
[09:39] <Antoine-> Then rebooted
[09:39] <blohshyboi> Oh ok
[09:39] <blohshyboi> I'll search a bit more :)
[09:40] <Antoine-> :)
[09:40] <Antoine-> It might have to do with nvidia
[09:40] <Antoine-> I have an intel HD something and a dedicated nvidia card in this laptop
[09:42] <blohshyboi> I have never had audio issues with the HD Graphics on my computer so it's most likely nvidia
[09:43] <blohshyboi> can you try to run this command?
[09:43] <blohshyboi> lspci -k | grep -A 2 -E "(VGA|3D)"
[09:43] <blohshyboi> to check what are the specs of your Graphics Card
[09:44] <Antoine-> I went to NVIDIA X Server settings, switched to intel HD, rebooted and still no sound
[09:44] <Antoine-> Ok I'll do that
[09:45] <Antoine-> It only find my intel card
[09:46] <Antoine-> It says Inter Corporation 3rd Gen Code processor Graphics Controler (rev 09)
[09:46] <Antoine-> Subsystem: Sony Corporation 3rd Gen Code processor Graphics Controller
[09:46] <Antoine-> Kerner driver in use: i915
[09:48] <blohshyboi> Are there any additional drivers on the updater?
[09:48] <blohshyboi> Xubuntu should automatically update but as I can't check right now I can't help too much
[09:49] <rud0lf> is it safe to update 18.04 to 20.04?
[09:49] <rud0lf> or should i do a backup?
[09:50] <Antoine-> Now changed to "NDIDIA On-Demand" in NVIDIA X Server Settings. the lspci command you gave me now find both my intel as before, but there is NVIAIDA Corporation GK107M [GeForce GT 640M LE] (rev a1)
[09:50] <Antoine-> Subsystem: Sony Corporation GK107M [GeForce GT 640M LE]
[09:50] <Antoine-> Kernel driver in use: nvidia
[09:50] <blohshyboi> rud0lf You should backup just in case
[09:50] <rud0lf> ok will do
[09:50] <rud0lf> thanks for an advice
[09:50] <blohshyboi> I think that 20.04 isn't totally out yet
[09:50] <blohshyboi> I think that only the betas are out
[09:51] <blohshyboi> the full release should come out later today but I'm not sure
[09:51] <blohshyboi> Based on what I've heard
[09:51] <blohshyboi> Antoine- any changes on pavucontrol?
[09:51] <Antoine-> No
[09:52] <Antoine-> blohshyboi: The updater says, under additional drivers, "Keep using a manually installed driver", which is selected
[09:52] <Antoine-> There are other lines like: Use NVIDIA driver metapackage, Use NVIDIA binary driver or Use X.Org X server nouveau
[09:53] <Antoine-> I can't select them though
[09:53] <rud0lf> blohshyboi: ubuntu.com says april 23-rd, which is today
[09:54] <blohshyboi> Yes but I think that the full release only comes later today
[09:54] <Antoine-> I wonder why I can't change drivers...
[09:54] <blohshyboi> Antoine- that's interesting
[09:54] <blohshyboi> Do you have safe mode activated?
[09:54] <blohshyboi> *Safe boot actually
[09:55] <Antoine-> I should probably remove the driver that was manually installed and let xubuntu do it
[09:55] <Antoine-> Ehm
[09:55] <Antoine-> How can I check? Is it a bios setting?
[09:55] <blohshyboi> I'm not 100% sure but I think it's a bios setting
[09:59] <Antoine-> I can't see safe boos settings in my BIOS
[09:59] <Antoine-> My laptop is from 2012
[09:59] <blohshyboi> So it probably doesn't have it
[10:00] <blohshyboi> You should do what you said earlier on about removing and letting xubuntu do it
[10:01] <xu-help4w> if i install xubuntu 20.04 daily now, it will update to stable tomorrow?
[10:03] <blohshyboi> I'm not sure but I don't think so
[10:04] <blohshyboi> Also, daily releases are very unstable and it's not recommended to install on your disk
[10:04] <blohshyboi> Most people install on a Virtual Machine
[10:05] <blohshyboi> If I were you I would wait a bit longer and download the 20.04 or update from another version like 19.10
[10:05] <Antoine-> I wonder if I should choose nvidia driver, nvidia binary driver or nouveau
[10:06] <Antoine-> ill try nvidia driver. It says tested
[10:06] <Antoine-> I can change later if I want to try the libre nouveau driver
[10:06] <Antoine-> I wonder how it compares
[10:06] <blohshyboi> ok good luck
[10:06] <blohshyboi> keep us posted :)
[10:07] <xu-help4w> ok, tha's the way, thanks blohshyboi
[10:09] <xu-help4w> i'm very excited for it
[10:09] <xu-help4w> xD
[10:09] <blohshyboi> Me too!!
[10:10] <xu-help4w> '=D
[10:28] <Antoine-> Well neither the nvidia or nouveau driver work :(
[10:41] <joris> Is 20.04 iso already somewhere?
[10:41] <blohshyboi> I don't think so
[10:41] <blohshyboi> Only the betas
[10:41] <well_laid_lawn> !20.04
[10:42] <joris> Is it expected today?
[10:42] <blohshyboi> yes
[10:42] <joris> ok cool
[11:00] <Antoine-> blohshyboi: It works now
[11:00] <Antoine-> I believe it was working all along...
[11:00] <blohshyboi> really? xD
[11:00] <Antoine-> Do you remember the screenshot I sent you? I had to click the little arrow on the top right corner to access other tabs
[11:00] <Antoine-> I needed the configuration tab
[11:01] <Antoine-> I didn't think about it because the window started up small on my big screen. I didn't think it wouldn't display all the tabs even when it had the space to do it...
[11:01] <Antoine-> All good now :)
[11:02] <blohshyboi> ok nice
[11:02] <blohshyboi> sorry for not being very useful
[11:22] <Antoine-> blohshyboi: No no, don't say that!! Thanks a lot for your time!! :)
[11:22] <Antoine-> bbye, have a good day!
[11:29] <blohshyboi> have a good one :)  Antoine-
[12:07] <xubuntu-fan-666> When will 20.04 be released?
[12:09] <blohshyboi> a source says its coming at about 17pm GMT
[12:09] <blohshyboi> but it's not official
[12:10] <blohshyboi> you can always check http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/412/builds and see which flavours have been marked as ready
[12:12] <blohshyboi> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/412/builds
[12:13] <blohshyboi> sorry for double link
[12:13] <blohshyboi> meant to send this: https://prnt.sc/s4mjdu xubuntu-fan-666
[12:16] <joris> so Xubuntu Desktop amd64 is ready?
[12:17] <Andrio> Is 20.04 an LTS release?
[12:17] <blohshyboi> Andrio yes
[12:18] <blohshyboi> @joris apparently yes but not released yet
[12:18] <joris> ah ok..
[12:18] <blohshyboi> things like netboot aren't ready yet so they can't release it
[12:18] <blohshyboi> They are probably going to release everything at once
[12:19] <blohshyboi> !isitout
[12:38] <Figaro100> Anyone that know when the Xubuntu 20.04 will be release the info I found it should be release today, but seem not be the case yet?
[12:58] <mtorpey> !isitout
[12:58] <mtorpey> Best guess is in the next few hours! :)
[13:00] <sorinello> Hello. Do you have any idea if xubuntu-core's issues have been fixed regarding Virtualbox/VmWare ? I am unable to install xubuntu-core from ISO since 2 versions ago. The instalation crashes at one point. cc Unit193
[13:10] <blohshyboi> !isitout
[13:17] <Antoine-> Hello, I have the following error message "apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" profile="snap.tvheadend.tvheadend" name="/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0" pid=992 comm="tvheadend" requested_mask="wr" denied_mask="wr" fsuid=0 ouid=0"
[13:17] <Antoine-> How can I allow tvheadend to avvecc /dev/dvb?
[13:17] <Antoine-> access*
[14:00] <benixfce> Hope to see Final lts release soon 👍🏻👍🏻
[14:13] <blohshyboi> apparently the torrent is out but I would only download whenever the announcement is out
[15:08] <Andrio> So the website recommends having 20 GB storage space where installing Xubuntu
[15:08] <Andrio> is that recommendation still valid for when /home is on another drive?
[15:09] <xu-irc77w> just curious what time of the release
[15:10] <blohshyboi> there's no official time of release
[15:10] <xu-irc77w> k thanks
[15:19] <Jzjz> Hi
[15:19] <Jzjz> Anyone here?
[15:22] <cmb> Andrio, yes, you need about 16-18Gb for the OS itself. I've a 30Gb root partition on my laptop, /home on another partition, and currently 18Gb of the root partition is used...
[15:25] <Andrio> Ah
[15:25] <Andrio> Thanks.
[15:25] <blohshyboi> Are you going to install on a external drive?
[15:40] <xu-help6w> hello
[15:41] <blohshyboi> hello!
[15:41] <xu-help6w> so is it ok to do "sudo do-release-upgrade " to force it
[15:41] <xu-help6w> i first started using xubuntu on 19.04 then went to 19.10
[15:41] <xu-help6w> still pretty linux new
[15:42] <xu-help6w> 20.04 i mean force that
[15:42] <blohshyboi> As there isn't an official post yet, I don't think so
[15:42] <xu-help6w> ok
[15:42] <blohshyboi> i tried and it's not available
[15:42] <xu-help6w> i chose xubuntu cuz im having to use a really old mac that i salvaged as a computer
[15:42] <xu-help6w> it said it was on the terminal
[15:43] <blohshyboi> I know
[15:43] <blohshyboi> i tried on the terminal
[15:43] <xu-help6w> but it said "ubuntu" instead of xubuntu that's normal right
[15:43] <blohshyboi> Yes
[15:44] <xu-help6w> But yeah saw some stuff about what's new and saw a new darker version of greybird that looks neat i might try that
[15:44] <xu-help6w> any real big new features though
[15:44] <blohshyboi> It looks really cool
[15:45] <blohshyboi> I don't think so
[15:45] <blohshyboi> apart from a newer kernel
[15:45] <drleviathan> so I fired up Transmission and am downloading/uploading ubuntu, xubuntu, and kubuntu.  Interestingly, xubuntu peering is downloading much faster than the other two.
[15:45] <drleviathan> Maybe becuase its image is only 1.66G instead of 2.72G
[15:46] <blohshyboi> I downloaded straight as it came out and it was slower than the others
[15:46] <xu-help6w> ah i was just gonna do upgrade
[15:46] <blohshyboi> but the others were out for a while
[15:46] <xu-help6w> i dont think i had issues doing it the first time but who knows
[15:46] <xu-help6w> first time was 19.04 to 19.10
[15:46] <blohshyboi> I am going to fresh install because my PC is full of stuff and a fresh install will make it slightly cleaner
[15:47] <blohshyboi> My first time installing was 18.04
[15:47] <xu-help6w> or maybe it was the second time
[15:47] <xu-help6w> i did it jan of last year so
[15:47] <drleviathan> backup your data whatever you do
[15:47] <lighterowl> drleviathan: nah, that's because all the cool kids with fastest internets use Xubuntu .;)
[15:47] <lighterowl> believe me!
[15:47] <xu-help6w> maybe was 18.04 or 18.10
[15:47] <blohshyboi> lighterowl true xD
[15:48] <xu-help6w> i did run a timeshift
[15:48] <blohshyboi> I've been using 18.04 and never used the non-LTS versions
[15:48] <xu-help6w> already
[15:49] <xu-help6w> the thing that backs up the system file stuff
[15:50] <blohshyboi> Yeah I know
[15:50] <blohshyboi> Ill back up stuff to my network share
[16:07] <xu-irc65w> Hello! I'm just curious if there's an ETA for the xubuntu 20.04 LTS download link being posted.
[16:08] <drleviathan> the torrent is already up
[16:08] <drleviathan> meanwhile... the ubuntu release party is practically counting down the seconds
[16:15] <drleviathan> well... some torrent is already up.  Is it the final correct one?  Dunno.
[16:16] <xu-irc65w> Yeah I think I'll just wait until it's posted on https://xubuntu.org/download :)
[16:17] <Fte> Will we get a prompt to update to 20.04, do we do it via the software updater or do we have to download? I've not done this before
[16:19] <xu-irc65w> Per https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2019/10/ubuntu-20-04-release-features you won't get prompted to update until the first point release, which is expected in July.
[16:19] <drleviathan> I think there are ways to upgrade from the software updater, but I always backup my data and re-install.
[16:19] <Fte> Okay thanks
[16:20] <xu-irc65w> A fresh install is the way to go imo. Mount your /home dir separately to make that less painful. ;)
[16:21] <Fte> Ha yeah I have done fortunately so I'll do a reinstall when the download is out
[16:58] <xu-help24w> Would like to down version 20.4. When can I do it?
[17:26] <blohshyboi> The ubuntu website already has the download page updated but nothing on Xubuntu though
[17:27] <blohshyboi> Should be appearing soon I assume
[17:27] <blohshyboi> ?
[17:31] <dispo> Hi, Where can I dl xubuntu 20.04.0 lts ?
[17:32] <Guest_27> exciting day? new verion
[17:33] <blohshyboi> https://ubuntu.com/download/desktop dispo
[17:33] <blohshyboi> sorry wrong link
[17:33] <blohshyboi> that's for ubuntu
[17:33] <blohshyboi> Xubuntu doesn't have an official release yet
[17:33] <blohshyboi> should be coming
[17:33] <dispo> ill wait for xubuntu release
[17:33] <drleviathan> there is a torrent available if you guess the url
[17:33] <dispo> i use xubuntu
[17:34] <dispo> xfce is too solid
[17:34] <Guest_27> yeah just waiting til i know it's ok to upgrade
[17:34] <blohshyboi> drleviathan Indeed, there is but I would hold on as it can be changed last minute
[17:34] <blohshyboi> I'd wait until an official statement
[17:35] <Guest_27> but wooo new release day
[17:35] <dispo> well im running 18.04.4 its got another year of support left
[17:35] <dispo> no hurry
[17:35] <drleviathan> heh, I'm watching the ubuntu release party channel and... the official announcement appears to take a long time to reach all the official megaphones
[17:35] <drleviathan> website says it is, but the bot dosn't know yet, and the email hasn't gone out yet
[17:36] <blohshyboi> Is the announcement supposed to be just ubuntu or all flavors?
[17:37] <drleviathan> I guess my take is going to be... I'll assume the torrent is functional. Whatever replaces it might have a few bugs fixed but will be pretty much the same thing.
[17:37] <drleviathan> In the meantime: I'll peer the asset.
[17:37] <drleviathan> The Kubuntu site was up early.
[17:38] <drleviathan> The realease really is a multi-tentacled monster with its brain distributed across its limbs.
[17:38] <blohshyboi> I'm already peering Xubuntu
[17:38] <blohshyboi> makes sense
[17:46] <dispo> https://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/focal/release/desktop/
[17:47] <Guest_27> dont think i would need to download the whole thing if im just doing upgrade instead
[17:48] <Guest_27> shouldnt be an issue im just waiting to know it's ok
[17:51] <drleviathan> personally I'd consider an upgrade from reposotories on release day to be... risky
[17:51] <drleviathan> for fasted path, download the torrent, pull the asset, backup your data, and reinstall
[17:52] <Guest_27> well i mean i can wait
[17:52] <Guest_27> im on 19.10
[17:53] <Guest_27> not 18.04
[18:06] <blohshyboi> We got release notes!!
[18:06] <blohshyboi> https://wiki.xubuntu.org/releases/20.04/release-notes
[18:07] <blohshyboi> Now we wait for the release
[18:10] <lighterowl> I just ran do-release-update and it broke halfway due to somehow messing up Python packages. running apt-get --fix-broken now...
[18:11] <lighterowl> *do-release-upgrade
[18:12] <xu-irc12w> dropping python 2? Thats going to be interesting, I thought there was loads of python 2 scripts in a modern distro
[18:14] <blohshyboi> Apparently Python 2 is in End Of Life since January
[18:14] <lighterowl> yup
[18:15] <xu-irc12w> yeah I guess we had to make the jump eventually
[18:15] <lighterowl> hasn't stopped some people from still writing Python 2, though.
[18:15] <xu-irc12w> I don't know python is it hard to convert 2 to 3?
[18:15] <blohshyboi> Yeah, apparently only apt-offline needed it
[18:15] <blohshyboi> Not sure
[18:15] <xu-irc12w> I guess its going to be one of those things that vairy
[18:16] <blohshyboi> Probably, it's hard to find a balance between compatibility and security though so...
[18:16] <blohshyboi> I guess it needed to happen
[18:19] <lighterowl> blohshyboi: you could do what my company is doing, namely still have 30-year-old code and packages in their systems.
[18:19] <lighterowl> ;)
[18:19] <blohshyboi> Ouch
[18:19] <lighterowl> (unfortunately, I'm *not* exaggerating)
[18:20] <blohshyboi> that's bad
[18:20] <xu-irc12w>   I can believe it, look how popular freedos is for that reason!
[18:21] <lighterowl> :)
[18:21] <blohshyboi> My school still uses Macromedia Dreamweaver, but only for teaching (as far as I know) but it's not as bad compared to that lighterowl
[18:22] <lighterowl> wow, Dreamweaver! that takes me back.
[18:22] <lighterowl> I've never used it myself since I have no graphical talent/proficiency at all, but I've certainly heard the name and know which era to associate it with. :)
[18:23] <blohshyboi> It's an oldie
[18:23] <blohshyboi> Before Adobe purchased them
[18:23] <lighterowl> yeah, no kidding.
[18:23] <blohshyboi> But I can tell you it's a bit of a nightmare land
[18:23] <lighterowl> I still remember the "Macromedia Flash" splash/info screen from some self-contained exes with Flash applications.
[18:24] <blohshyboi> That's a classic
[18:24] <blohshyboi> And also Good Ol' Visual Basic 2008
[18:24] <lighterowl> wonder if they'd run okay under wine. ;)
[18:24] <lighterowl> blohshyboi: 2008 is considered bleeding edge in my company. we still use Visual C++ 6 for a lot of our development.
[18:24] <blohshyboi> Oh damn
[18:25] <lighterowl> fortunately, most of the developers have more modern IDEs just configured to use the MSVC6 compiler... I wouldn't want to touch the old IDE with a ten foot pole.
[18:25] <blohshyboi> I remembered the first time I used Visual Basic I was using 2010 and it was already quite old so I was surprised that my school has it
[18:25] <blohshyboi> Indeed
[18:26] <blohshyboi> Unfortunately some teachers aren't exactly liberal with alternative software
[18:26] <lighterowl> that sucks
[18:26] <blohshyboi> Some of them don't allow us to submit OpenDocument files
[18:26] <lighterowl> :(
[18:27] <lighterowl> blohshyboi: though I kind of understand ... some of my more "seasoned" colleagues also seem to have become very set in their ways.
[18:27] <blohshyboi> Wish we used more open software in school :(
[18:27] <lighterowl> i.e. having "n" years of work experience isn't really synonymous with actually *progressing* "n" years in your field. I guess the same/similar goes for teachers in this case.
[18:28] <blohshyboi> Yeah it makes sense, some teachers have been in the field for a while
[18:28] <lighterowl> :)
[18:28] <blohshyboi> And it's probably easier for someone who's still learning to change rather than someone who's been working with the same stuff for so long
[18:29] <lighterowl> I need to go to bed at a reasonable hour today ... hopefully this upgrade ends successfully.
[18:29] <blohshyboi> let's hope for that
[18:37] <lighterowl> alrigh, finished, about to reboot.
[18:37] <blohshyboi> nice xD
[18:37] <xu-irc12w> good luck!
[18:42] <lighterowl> yeah, that went well.
[18:43] <xu-irc12w> that's good to hear, I'm going to install on quite a new rig, I think XFCE running on an SSD is going to be lightning quick :)
[18:43] <lighterowl> I have it running on a Lenovo P53 with an nvme ssd, can vouch for the speed.
[18:44] <xu-irc12w> I've put in a ryzen 7 and 16gb of DDR4 this should be a quick box :)
[18:46] <blohshyboi> Welp I'm going to install it on my almost 10 years old pc.
[18:46] <blohshyboi> This is going to be fun xD
[18:46] <lighterowl> xu-irc12w: yup, I have a similar desktop setup and it's running very fast as well. not xubuntu, though, but Arch with xfce.
[18:47] <lighterowl> blohshyboi: 10 years, so that's a ... Core 2 Duo?
[18:48] <blohshyboi> Pentium
[18:48] <blohshyboi> oof
[18:48] <blohshyboi> it's going to hurt
[18:48] <dispo> xubuntu runs well on my lenovo t400 core 2 dual 8 gigs of ram
[18:48] <dispo> :)
[18:49] <dispo> https://i.imgur.com/falvbjl.png
[18:50] <lighterowl> dispo: very cool desktop!
[18:50] <dispo> thanx :)
[18:50] <blohshyboi> i will post here when its done
[18:51] <lighterowl> ok, another reboot to see if the password prompt comes up on the HDMI-connected monitor.
[18:51] <dispo> the panel on the left auto hides :)
[18:51] <blohshyboi> so sunday be sure to check for updates from me xD
[18:51] <dispo> why use plank or docker
[18:52] <blohshyboi> @dispo hot damn
[18:55] <P-Chan> Hi guys! Do you tried upgrade from xubuntu bionic beaver to xubuntu focal fossa?
[18:55] <lighterowl> I did just that, in fact.
[18:56] <xu-irc45w> i have 19.10 so no havent done anything yet
[18:56] <dispo> P-Chan: i'll probably wait for it to go to .01 before updating
[18:56] <lighterowl> do-release-upgrade broke halfway due to (presumably) interdependencies and messing up Python packages, I had to continue the process manually via running apt --fix-broken and apt dist-upgrade.
[18:57] <xu-irc45w> yikes
[18:57] <dispo> P-Chan: https://hamwaves.com/release-upgrade/en/index.html you wanna follow this guide
[18:57] <dispo> for xubuntu upgrades
[18:58] <dispo> lts
[18:58] <xu-irc45w> if im on 19.10 though isnt it sooner than the 18.04 people's upgrade prompts?
[19:01] <lollersnake> When the release is available?
[19:02] <dispo> I downloaded the torrent
[19:02] <dispo> going to test it later flash it on a usb flash
[19:10] <blohshyboi> Proud to say that Xubuntu is now installing on my (10 yr old) PC xD
[19:12] <P-Chan> blohshyboi: do you downloaded the iso or upgrade from previous version?
[19:12] <blohshyboi> iso
[19:13] <blohshyboi> it was available through torrent from ubuntu servers
[19:15] <blohshyboi> here's a before: https://imgur.com/gallery/uUKpWKh
[19:17] <mneptok> if you want to abuse your F5 button, you can play "refresh the mirror" every few minutes - http://mirror.us.leaseweb.net/ubuntu-cdimage/xubuntu/releases/20.04/
[19:22] <mneptok> https://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/focal/release/desktop/xubuntu-20.04-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[19:26] <xu-irc45w> i'm using xubuntu on a 10 year old imac that I got for free because someone was recycling it, cant afford a new build yet
[19:26] <xu-irc45w> so it's an interm between builds
[19:26] <xu-irc45w> been using it over a year
[19:27] <xu-irc45w> i kept osx on it too but only for backup, and i use my own keyboard/mouse instead of the mac ones
[19:27] <xu-irc45w> decent old machine , why i chose xubuntu
[19:27] <xu-irc45w> cuz it was for old machines
[19:28] <blohshyboi> It's surprising how well it runs on old devices
[19:28] <lighterowl> I used to run it on my sister's old Pentium M laptop.
[19:28] <blohshyboi> My 10 yr old laptop just installed and it's running like a charm
[19:28] <lighterowl> wow, that was a fast install!
[19:28] <blohshyboi> indeed
[19:29] <blohshyboi> i was very surprised
[19:29] <xu-irc45w> I don't know if im gonna stick with xubuntu when i eventually can do a new build though no offense
[19:29] <xu-irc45w> im keeping the options open since better hardware then
[19:29] <lighterowl> xu-irc45w: sure, you're free to choose.
[19:29] <xu-irc45w> though there's other stuff that's also using xfce like manjaro
[19:29] <xu-irc45w> manjaro was one of em i looked at
[19:30] <xu-irc45w> but ill still "have" this old machine with xubuntu in it i guess i can figure out a use for
[19:30] <xu-irc45w> once i get a new one
[19:31] <xu-irc45w> dunno what that would be ...
[19:31] <blohshyboi> Here's an after: https://imgur.com/gallery/h7uV1l1
[19:31] <blohshyboi> Looking really good and very snappy
[19:31] <lighterowl> yay!
[19:31] <xu-irc45w> see i like having the bar on the bottom, also i put a bit of transparency like i had with windows 7 aero
[19:32] <xu-irc45w> i never went to 10 i went from 7 to xubuntu
[19:32] <xu-irc45w> cuz old build had 7
[19:32] <xu-irc45w> but yeah that's personal pref, im a person that's too used to it being on the bottom
[19:32] <xu-irc45w> ever since windows 95
[19:33] <xu-irc45w> and i manually set the windows super key to open it as well
[19:33] <xu-irc45w> too bad it's a cheapo keyboard i cant change the cap with a penquin
[19:33] <lighterowl> :)
[19:33] <xu-irc45w> it's not one of the mech ones
[19:33] <xu-irc45w> it's a cheap insignia one
[19:34] <blohshyboi> xu-irc45w i wanted to have a penguin key but mine is a laptop
[19:34] <blohshyboi> might get a sticker though
[19:35] <xu-irc45w> but yeah one of the reasons i wanted to avoid w10, aero isnt there
[19:35] <xu-irc45w> while i dont get the upper transparency my taskbar can have it
[19:35] <xu-irc45w> and it looks decent
[19:36] <xu-irc45w> the left side of the file manager does kinda remind me of osx though
[19:38] <simon> hi folks. Does anyone if/when 20.04 will be officially released today? Failed BIOS flash has bricked my machine so now would be a great time for that fresh install!
[19:40] <blohshyboi> I don't know yet. This seems to be taking a while compared to other distros, but the release notes are out already and the iso is made and on the servers already
[19:40] <xu-irc45w> shouldnt you fix the bios issue first heh
[19:40] <xu-irc45w> oh whats the release notes
[19:41] <blohshyboi> yeah true
[19:41] <mneptok> https://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/focal/release/desktop/xubuntu-20.04-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[19:41] <blohshyboi> https://wiki.xubuntu.org/releases/20.04/release-notes
[19:41] <blohshyboi> xu-irc45w
[19:41] <xu-irc45w> hmm might be what i saw already
[19:41] <xu-irc45w> or maybe it wasnt a finalized one i saw yet
[19:41] <xu-irc45w> >System doesn't boot after installation - Legacy mode / 2 disks
[19:42] <simon> thanks meptok
[19:42] <xu-irc45w> what is this?
[19:42] <xu-irc45w> legacy 2 disks?
[19:42] <blohshyboi> legacy BIOS with 2 disks
[19:42] <blohshyboi> older non-UEFI Bios
[19:42] <xu-irc45w> does that include old macs?
[19:42] <xu-irc45w> i dont know if this uses that
[19:42] <simon> xu-irc45w absolutely; trying that now. Full nightmare mode engaged.
[19:42] <blohshyboi> don't know
[19:43] <blohshyboi> Do you have 2 disks?
[19:43] <xu-irc45w> hard drives? no
[19:43] <xu-irc45w> partitions yeah i got multiple of em
[19:43] <blohshyboi> Then you shouldn't have any issues
[19:43] <simon> but if one has >1 hard drive....?
[19:43] <xu-irc45w> it's a core 2 duo imac i think from like 2009?
[19:43] <blohshyboi> My laptop has multiple partitions and legacy BIOS but only one disk
[19:43] <blohshyboi> simon shouldn't be any issues whatsoever
[19:43] <xu-irc45w> i dunno when the original owner got it
[19:44] <simon> groovy cheers blohshyboi
[19:44] <xu-irc45w> but hey free computer is free computer
[19:44] <simon> core 2 duo's a classic
[19:44] <blohshyboi> indeed
[19:44] <xu-irc45w> saved it from being recycled
[19:44] <xu-irc45w> less ewaste heh
[19:44] <blohshyboi> a friend has a laptop with a core 2 duo and 2 gigs of ram rocking windows 10 64 bit
[19:44] <blohshyboi> tried to convince him to use xubuntu
[19:45] <xu-irc45w> yeah my old actual build that died (think it was the cpu or mobo) was an i5 2500k
[19:45] <simon> tempted to get mine from the garage given how well this system saving job is going!
[19:45] <xu-irc45w> the 2500k lasted like 8 years
[19:45] <xu-irc45w> got it in 2011
[19:45] <blohshyboi> nice
[19:45] <xu-irc45w> what happened was i put in some new ram and i guess the cpu didnt like that or was just old/overworked/heated
[19:45] <xu-irc45w> or something
[19:45] <xu-irc45w> who knows
[19:46] <xu-irc45w> even though early as i dont even have money for new build im leaning to ryzen
[19:46] <xu-irc45w> i never had an amd before though
[19:46] <xu-irc45w> and "maybe" amd gpu too never had that either but both seem to handle linux better from what i understand?
[19:47] <blohshyboi> i think so
[19:47] <blohshyboi> but my only experience with amd and linux is my laptop which has amd graphics but it's from around 2009 so, probably not the best examle
[19:48] <xu-irc45w> yeah it looks as if amd is more open to linux
[19:48] <xu-irc45w> just from observations
[19:49] <Figaro84> Any update when 2020.04 LTS of xubuntu will be release?
[19:49] <xu-irc45w> i dont have the experience , i mean this has an old ati
[19:49] <blohshyboi> it is a bit weird but amd has had great approaches at various technologies that intel for some reason isn't having
[19:49] <blohshyboi> also seen that with video encoding
[19:49] <blohshyboi> amd has been better at it lately
[19:50] <xu-irc45w> yeah i guess ive been in the past a bit of a brand whore it was always a combo of asus mobo, intel cpu, and nvidia gpu for me going back like almost 20 years
[19:50] <xu-irc45w> through 3 dif build
[19:50] <xu-irc45w> just how it kinda always was
[19:51] <blohshyboi> its a "classic" config
[19:51] <blohshyboi> tbh I would be inclined into something like that for a desktop build
[19:51] <blohshyboi> it feels natural
[19:52] <blohshyboi> a couple years ago it was weird using amd and now they are killing it so it might change
[19:52] <xu-irc45w> but yeah the 20.04 release notes doesnt seem to show anything that signifigant in changing
[19:52] <xu-irc45w> or feature adding
[19:52] <blohshyboi> apart from removing python 2 not much
[19:52] <xu-irc12w> other than the xubuntu twitter and xubuntu.org is there anywhere else they will be likely to post the release anouncement?
[19:52] <blohshyboi> not even the ubuntu release notes add much
[19:52] <blohshyboi> i don't thik so
[19:52] <blohshyboi> *think
[19:53] <xu-irc45w> i may give that new dark greybird a shot
[19:53] <blohshyboi> someone might put it here but I'm not sure
[19:53] <blohshyboi> xu-irc45w it's kinda nice
[19:53] <xu-irc45w> yeah im looking at the ubuntu area of the notes too
[19:53] <xu-irc45w>     New graphical boot splash (integrates with the system BIOS logo).
[19:54] <blohshyboi> it feels weird going back to greybird after using a different theme for so long but it's very simple and feels good
[19:54] <xu-irc45w> So is the xubuntu black one updated too?
[19:54] <blohshyboi> does that happen with xubuntu?
[19:54] <xu-irc45w> that's just what the ubuntu one says
[19:54] <xu-irc45w> which was linked on the xubuntu one's page
[19:54] <xu-irc45w> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseNotes
[19:54] <blohshyboi> i know but i didnt see it on my pc
[19:54] <blohshyboi> again my pc is 10 years old so
[19:54] <dispo> would be nice if xubuntu had 5 years of support instead of 3
[19:55] <xu-irc45w> did the boot screen itself look dif though
[19:55] <xu-irc45w> or is it still the black
[19:55] <blohshyboi> yes
[19:55] <blohshyboi> i have an image but its very blurry
[19:55] <blohshyboi> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/702855198703353866/702963284256489563/IMG_20200423_202456.jpg
[19:55] <blohshyboi> its very low quality but it's now black background and white accent
[19:56] <xu-irc45w> that looks like the one i already know
[19:56] <xu-irc45w> but yeah a lot of this changelog is stuff way beyond me lol
[19:57] <blohshyboi> i think it had a bit of blue on the 18.04
[19:57] <blohshyboi> that's the one I was using
[19:57] <blohshyboi> maybe 19.10 was different
[19:57] <xu-irc45w> yeah might just be the same one i have already
[19:59] <blohshyboi> xu-irc45w here's a high quality screenshot of the boot animation:
[19:59] <blohshyboi> https://bluesabre.org/content/images/2020/04/install-17-2.png
[20:01] <blohshyboi> I'm considering making a CD installer using the minimal iso if 20.04 still supports it
[20:02] <blohshyboi> just for the laughs
[20:02] <xu-irc45w> ah yeah i think that's the same boot screen
[20:04] <blohshyboi> interesting: my laptop's fans seem to be quieter while idle
[20:05] <blohshyboi> like WAY quieter
[20:06] <xu-irc45w> neat
[20:08] <blohshyboi> Also the login has dark mode :https://imgur.com/gallery/Emv7pgr
[20:29] <xu-irc12w> does this count as them announcing it? https://xubuntu.org/release/20-04/
[20:32] <dispo> https://i.imgur.com/HfDgdQr.png
[20:33] <dispo> running it on a virtual box machine now
[20:33] <dispo> 20.04
[20:33] <dispo> lts
[20:36] <dispo> https://i.imgur.com/q3cCrzQ.png <-- there we go xubuntu 20.04 LTS on a vm machine
[20:41] <vata0> anyone round
[20:42] <vata0> i was wondering if the new lts will be pushrd today along with everyone elses
[20:45] <xu-irc12w> I'm personally waiting for it to be officially announced but you can grab it now if you want to
[20:46] <xu-irc12w> https://xubuntu.org/release/20-04/
[20:47] <vata0> i was looking for it on the site and didnt see it thats why i was asking
[20:48] <xu-irc12w> I got that page from the blog section
[20:48] <vata0> so that is the actual lts?
[20:49] <vata0> wonder if thet just havent had time to update the site yet
[20:49] <xu-irc12w> well thats why I'm waiting for the official announcement
[20:49] <vata0> lol ive been site checking everyday
[20:50] <vata0> im really excited im switching from original to xubuntu
[20:51] <xu-irc12w> me too! I have a brand new rig thats without an OS so I'm hoping they announce soon :)  be great to set this up before bed if I can
[20:51] <vata0> gnome is just to heavy for this little laptop and i need to do a clean install anyway
[20:52] <vata0> thats awesome man
[21:00] <dispo> https://i.imgur.com/q3cCrzQ.png <-- there we go xubuntu 20.04 LTS on a vm machine
[21:03] <vata0> xubuntu has the regualt ubuntu software center in it as well correct
[21:05] <lighterowl> looking good
[21:28] <bluesabre> For everybody so patiently waiting, Xubuntu 20.04 is now available! https://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-20-04-released/
[21:29] <lighterowl> great!
[21:29] <bluesabre> Thanks everybody for all the hype! We hope you enjoy using this release.
[21:29] <xu-irc12w> thank you!!!
[21:29] <xu-irc12w> hype!
[23:42] <SJudge> !isitout