=== OSMWeekly is now known as aabbcc [00:12] Hi all, I don't know if I'm using IRC corectly, but I'm running into a bizarre problem installing kubuntu 20.04 [00:12] and am looking for thoughts/help [00:15] my Plasma Shell is massively scaled up, and I'm not sure why [00:15] feels like running in 800x600 res, but in high res if that makes sense? [00:21] @aabbcc, Did you start in safe mode? [00:21] @DarinMiller, I did when I installed it [00:22] I started it regularly this time [00:23] what is your native screen resolution and do you have an NVidia card? === westor{off} is now known as westor [00:48] Hey guys! Do you know if the backport ppa will have the same "issue" as in 18.04 meaning that the Plasma version will be stuck on 5.18? [00:49] The backport ppa for 20.04 that is. [00:50] dryllmedaddy was added by: dryllmedaddy [00:52] hi, new to linux here. is there a way for me to upgrade to 20.04 lts from 19.10 using the iso file? `sudo do-release-upgrade` says there aren't any new releases yet [00:59] try: `sudo do-release-upgrade` -d [01:00] "`sudo do-release-upgrade`" will not work until the point release (20.04.1) which is schedule for July release. [01:01] thank you :) [01:03] So, how's 20.04 workin' out thus far for y'all that have upgraded already? (I'm plannin' to upgrade mine here over the next day or two sometime. Just busy freeing up the HD space for the download.) [01:04] @Linuxophil, The backports packages depend on how fast other dependencies change. Backports should continue to support new releases of plasma, frameworks, app as long as they depend on QT 5.12.x If the QT dependency increase above 5.12, newer backport versions of the above will most likely cease. [01:06] @dryllmedaddy, Welcome to Linux, BTW. Enjoy learnin' all the fun new stuff you can do. 😁 [01:06] @blooalien, thank you! I'm really enjoying it thus far [01:07] Overriding the default version of QT can issues with non-KDE apps that were not build with the newer version of QT and rebuilding all qt dependent apps in the Canonical library is beyond the support scope of Kubuntu. [01:07] @DarinMiller sorry I had to get up from the PC, Native screen res is 1920x1080 and I have an Nvidia Geforce GTX 570 [01:07] @dryllmedaddy, The more you learn, the more you'll find you enjoy it. It's a ridiculously powerful and customizable operating system. :) [01:09] You may find this website useful → https://alternativeto.net/ ← It'll help you find native Linux alternatives to most software you know the names of. It's saved me so much time searching since my own switch to Linux ages ago. :) [01:09] @aabbcc, Were you able to resolve the large display issue? If not, ensure to install NVidia drivers and force your fond DP to 96 (in system settings). Let me know if more detailed instructions are required. [01:13] @blooalien, this is really handy. thank you again :D [01:14] @dryllmedaddy, Welcome. Enjoy. :) [01:16] @DarinMiller is that "Found DP?" Where is system settings? I don't see that under Display configuration [01:16] Oh, speaking of Android... If you have an Android phone or tablet, look into a program called KDE Connect. Makes your phone/tablet and your KDE desktop into the best of friends. :) [01:17] * DarinMiller needs to proofread before hitting enter.... [01:18] System Settings -> Fonts, check the Force font DPI box and set it 96. [01:20] Restart and open apps and from a terminal, run "plasmashell —replace &" to see the full effects of the dpi changes ( i.e. in the panels). [01:20] @DarinMiller Thank you! I'll give it a shot! I appreciate this very much [01:21] Restart any^ [01:22] Is the proprietary NVidia driver installed? [01:25] @DarinMiller Yes, I installed iwth proprietary, and it's selected. The problem is solved, thank you very much! [01:25] excellent :) [01:25] for something like this, I'm surrised I was having so much trouble looking it up [01:25] You're the real MVP [01:29] Fully understand. I struggled with the same issue back when I first started using linux and found problem hard to solve with internet searches. [01:32] If you knew what caused the problem, then you could narrow the search like "large fonts nvidia driver kubuntu" which would lead to something like https://www.hecticgeek.com/2018/01/kubuntu-17-10-fonts-big-nvidias-driver/ [01:33] But how is a new user supposed know problem? And that the beauty of forums like this. :) [01:37] exactly, irc is indispensible! [01:56] Hi, I'm running into an issue with both Kubuntu 18.04.4 LTS and Kubuntu 20.04 LTS where I think the amdgpu driver isn't being loaded properly? I get a black screen after selecting Ubuntu in GRUB, but when I look at my kernel log it seems like the system has booted up fine. If I add "nomodeset" to my boot parameters before booting, I am able to use [01:56] the system as normal (but there are some graphical issues such as tearing because the correct driver is not loaded). I've got a Ryzen 5 2600 and an R9 Fury - has anyone else run into these kinds of issues? I've tried a variety of solutions I found online over the past few days but nothing has done the trick. [02:02] I have no experience with AMD cards. You may poke around Phoronix forums and see if anybody left any AMD hints. Michel at Phoronix covers AMD all the time... [02:04] Ok, I'll try there. Thanks! [02:06] ApprovedCargo91: have you tried typing "drivers" into krunner? [02:06] alt+space [02:07] it should take you right to the systemsettings for choosing and installing the correct drivers [02:10] If you're talking about the Driver Manager, it says that no additional drivers are available [02:11] Also, I think I read somewhere that amdgpu has been built into the kernel since some time ago [02:11] I freshly installed 20.04 LTS just now and there's already an amdgpu folder under /lib/firmware [02:18] hi [02:18] i cnat install wifi drivers. help [02:18] Hey guys! I struggle with setting up a samba share on Kubuntu 18.04. The tutorials on the net seem to all be about Gnome. Dolphin is not help. Just states that Samba is not installed. [02:19] @Guest_85, Hi! Type "drivers" into the search of the menu (hit the windows button first). [02:19] no, it wont connect to wifi so i cant download drivers.. plus my drivers arent supported.. [02:19] Then wait for about a minute. Then pick one of the options. [02:19] i need to install the drivers via usb, is possible ? [02:20] driver manager is sorta broken [02:20] @Guest_85, Can you give us details about your hardware? [02:20] @valorie, Which Kubuntu? [02:20] lenovo ideapad 330 [02:20] git clone https://github.com/tomaspinho/rtl8821ce.git [02:20] that works.. but how to install it via usb? [02:20] plain old ubuntu-drivers should work [02:21] @valorie, Hey valorie! If you dont mind: Hey guys! I struggle with setting up a samba share on Kubuntu 18.04. The tutorials on the net seem to all be about Gnome. Dolphin is not help. Just states that Samba is not installed. [02:21] but not the old kubuntu-drivers [02:21] Any ideas? [02:21] * valorie is not a guy [02:21] !samba [02:21] Samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/samba.html [02:21] LOL! [02:21] there has been a lot of work recently on samba shares [02:21] sigNeon was added by: sigNeon [02:21] valorie. tey dont.. i have to use that in terminal.. but i have no ethernet. so need it on usb [02:22] otherwise i cant even download the drivers [02:22] so I imagine it is much better on 20.04 [02:22] so im on windows.. then cna download them. then put on to usb and install into linux ? [02:22] @valorie, Thanks. I found lots of tutorials to do it on the CLI. But is there no GUI way in Plasma? [02:22] perhaps? [02:22] I've never done that [02:22] i need help to know hpw [02:22] how* [02:22] @linuxophil there should be, right in Dolphin [02:22] OK, thanks Valorie, woman of knowledge! [02:23] https://askubuntu.com/questions/963670/how-do-i-access-a-local-network-share-in-dolphin [02:23] lol [02:23] basically I know a lot of people and know how to google [02:23] can anyone help or is this another linux fail ? lol [02:23] Guest_85: sec [02:24] thanks [02:24] @valorie, Nono. I try to set one up, not access it. [02:24] In Dolphin it gives me this. It means "No Samba installed". [02:24] (Photo, 773x609) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/uKU2HpUt/file_28087.jpg [02:24] !broadcom [02:24] Help with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx [02:25] Guest_85: ^^ any help there? [02:25] and https://askubuntu.com/questions/146425/how-can-i-install-and-download-drivers-without-internet [02:25] ive installed it before on ubuntu.. btu need a ehterneet cable to download it via terminal/. i dont have one now [02:25] so i need to download it on windows and somehow install it via usb on linux.. otherwise i cannot use linux at all [02:27] that's what the second link is about [02:27] I have no personal experience of doing that [02:27] been a long time since I needed to download a driver for *anything* [02:28] i have no answers there [02:28] :( [02:28] I'm sorry [02:28] nevermind i'll stick to windows [02:28] If I know where the drivers GO [02:28] linux always gives me trouble [02:28] then I could tell you how to move it there [02:28] but I dunno [02:29] if they cant bother to make drivers i wont bother to use it [02:29] thanks for the time [02:31] @Guest_85, You know who you should blame for this? Hint: Not Linux... [02:31] definately linux. hpw hard is it to include the drivers in the iso? [02:32] i cant download the damn drivers without wifi lol [02:33] @Guest_85, You know who makes it hard to do exactly that? Your hardware manufacturer. You shouldn't blame Linux for something that your hardware manufacturer has gone out of their way to make complicated or impossible. Most of us never ever have driver issues of any kind anymore. [02:33] "The propietary Broadcom STA Wireless driver is maintained upstream by Broadcom. As this driver is closed source, fixes in the driver itself may only be provided by Broadcom" [02:34] dont care how 'hard' it is. if linux cant provide basic functionality to comuters then its pretty useless [02:34] @valorie, Exactly this! [02:34] all that can be provide are Free alternatives [02:34] anything is is not allowed [02:34] the nwhy is it available in terminal? its AVAILABLE but i cnat download it. stupid. put it in the dman iso already [02:35] @Guest_85, Are you truly that ignorant? Wow. I'm sorry. I thought you might actually have more than two braincells to rub together. Jesus... My bad. I should have realized. [02:35] because from the term you will have to agree to their terms of service [02:35] @blooalien, please hold your tongue [02:35] yea your bad. i should have realised only windows actually works out of the box.. as usual [02:35] ! [02:35] not linux fault of course. never is [02:35] lol [02:35] that's hilarious [02:36] folks, please [02:36] Guest_85: if Windows works better for you, that's regrettable but please feel free to go back to using it. [02:36] Kubuntu can't do anything about Broadcom's licensing terms for its drivers, sorry. [02:36] @valorie, Apologies. I just get so frustrated with the hatred that some of these clueless folk fling at the first sign of trouble. Just so truly exhausted by it. [02:36] i do.. just came her eor help.. as usual i get the 'its not our fault' spiel.. but either way.. it wont work [02:36] thank you dax [02:37] Guest_85: sorry that we could not help [02:37] first sign of toruble? lol.. pretty much NO linux distros work for me on this laptop [02:37] thast ok Valorie, thanks for the time [02:37] with broadcom, I'm not surprised [02:37] Same, I actively avoid it these days. Bad experiences with BCM4311 back in the netbook days. [02:37] Instantly it's all "Linux sucks so bad!" and "Linux users are SO toxic!" Well, yea they are. When they're the constant target of abuse for tryin'a be HELPFUL. [02:37] so why not just put a damn driver in the iso? if i can be installed via terminal. why mnot on the iso? [02:37] blooalien: that's enough [02:38] it cannot be on the ISO [02:38] because Broadcom will not allow it [02:38] Whatever. I truly don't care anymore. Fuck off, everyone. [02:38] they forbid it [02:38] not a 3rd party one ? or waterver its called [02:38] even those are restricted to those who agree to terms [02:38] set by Broadcom [02:38] didnt g et the option [02:39] so noone can help me put it on to a usb stick and then into linux? [02:39] @blooalien this is a family-friendly channel [02:39] Guest_85: you might get more help in #ubuntu [02:39] couldnt get in there.. full or somerthing [02:39] this is a small channel and I have no more help to give [02:39] (#ubuntu requires nickserv registration right now) [02:40] ah, you have to be registerd with freenode, perhaps [02:40] cant get my head around registering either.. confuseing.. whats wring with adding a username and password lol [02:40] you could put it on a USB stick, but you'd also need to put its dependencies on there, and it depends on dkms, and thus gcc and whole bunch of other stuff [02:40] so much spam..... [02:40] git clone https://github.com/tomaspinho/rtl8821ce.git [02:40] that's what registering is [02:40] thast the terminal code needed [02:40] question, if i use `sudo do-release-upgrade -d`, it will download the dev build right? [02:40] dryllmedaddy: if you do it right now, it will download 20.04 [02:40] but now that 20.04 is out officially, it's pretty much the stable? [02:41] yes [02:41] it's exactly the stable release, yes [02:41] thank you :) [02:41] 20.04 is LTS [02:41] but still no wifi for me even in 20.04... [02:44] lol @ blooalien.. and im the toxic one silly cretin [02:45] please [02:45] Kubuntu is for friendly computing [02:45] we try to be polite, and helpful here [02:46] or to direct people to help elsewhere [02:46] i just need help.. i know linux is not as simple as windows.. i hopes someone would help me get this ti usb at least. if its a known issue i thought there would at least be help for me. its just to hard to use it then [02:46] !register [02:46] For information on registering your IRC nick, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat/Registration - For any further help, ask in #freenode. [02:46] Guest_85: sorry, you have an unusual problem [02:46] I'm putting Kubuntu 20.04 on a usb stick so that I can replace the / drive and upgrade my existing 18.04.4. Is this process safe? [02:46] i cant register.. its like lines of code or something just to register [02:46] most can at least use their phone tethered long enough to get the needed driver [02:47] ? [02:47] no [02:47] name, email [02:47] i cant tether my phone as i need wifi to tether it [02:47] and you choose the password [02:47] its nto name email. its all /nickers// grub etc [02:47] oh, a nick [02:48] right now you are Guest_85 [02:48] that's your temporary nick [02:48] mine is valorie [02:48] which happens to be my real name as well [02:48] grub has nothing to do with IRC [02:48] :-) [02:48] « /nick your_favorite_nickname » [02:49] all t hat.. should i include << etc [02:49] its so stupiflty compolocated just ot register [02:49] you use a short name of some sort [02:49] with << ?? [02:49] as long as it's family-friendly it's fine [02:49] just txt [02:49] text [02:49] mine is valorie, as I said [02:50] "apt full-upgrade" wants to install gnome for some weird reason in Kubuntu 20.04... Keeping in mind it says there's no packages to update. It just wants to newly install all of these packages [02:51] and I have no idea why === Guest_85 is now known as gruber [02:51] I've been using mostly Kubuntu since 9.x [02:51] Hiryu: perhaps you have something installed that has new dependencies [02:52] did you do `sudo apt update` first? [02:52] this is confuseing as hell just to register [02:52] yes I did [02:52] hi gruber [02:53] Hiryu: unless you are super short of space, it won't do any harm [02:53] and you can uninstall anything you install [02:53] « /msg nickserv register password_of_your_choice your@email.address ». with spaces ot no? this is RIDICULOUS [02:53] I was thinking along those lines too... but I just figured it out [02:54] I've never seen behavior from apt like this... and I started with Debian in '99 [02:54] all I can think of is what I said above [02:54] valorie: it's the system76 PPA that's causing this [02:54] i hate freenode [02:54] hmmm, I have used that for nvidia drivers [02:55] you shouldn't use ppa's with debian [02:55] and it never did that [02:55] I have a sys76 laptop [02:55] so I ran the update command [02:56] now I seem to be stuck in firefox [02:56] konsole was running in the background [02:56] tell me what to type exatclylease [02:56] can't switch apps anymore [02:56] i cant even register [02:56] gruber: you must have, because you have a nickname [02:56] i need to ass paswwrods and email its says [02:57] all i did was change my name [02:57] ok [02:57] * Hiryu has never tried using a PPA with Debian FYI [02:57] @Hiryu, you know you are not supposed to use PPA's with Debian [02:57] hahaha [02:57] so how do i do it [02:57] im sure freenode was designed by linux users.. [02:58] could be [02:58] I'm just a grandma, and registered years ago [02:58] valorie: I'm half tempted to go just go with this... Since it's less than half a gig of additional space used [02:58] like I said, you can always uninstall things you don't want [02:58] later [02:58] popOS is gnome [02:59] how to join other rooms in here? [02:59] dammit [02:59] but the PPA I use dosn't install that [02:59] well, the weird behavior of this repo is causing all this stuff to be pulled in... so I'm not sure I can [02:59] gruber [02:59] oops [02:59] valorie: maybe I'm using the wrong PPA [02:59] commands in IRC are like /join #ubuntu [02:59] on a newline [02:59] as you did to change your nick [03:00] !ppapurge | Hiryu [03:00] Hiryu: To disable a PPA from your sources and revert your packages back to default Ubuntu packages, install ppa-purge and use the command: « sudo ppa-purge ppa:/ » – For more information, see http://www.webupd8.org/2009/12/remove-ppa-repositories-via-command.html [03:00] ''Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services - see https://freenode.net/kb/answer/registration'' [03:00] GRRRR [03:00] valorie: yes, I know thanks. :) [03:00] oh good [03:01] cant effing register... [03:01] sod it [03:01] damn linux dung [03:01] ha [03:02] * valorie commands the dung beetles to clean the chan [03:03] valorie: I'm curious... Which sys76 PPA are you using> [03:03] ? [03:03] let me check if it made it past the upgrade [03:05] bjr [03:05] system76-dev-ubuntu-stable-eaon [03:05] AHA [03:06] I was using their Pop!OS (sp) PPA [03:06] there ya go [03:06] maybe when I originally included that in my notes, that was the correct one [03:06] that will get you popos [03:06] which I Did Not Want [03:06] If I were a Gnome user... I'd just use PopOS :D [03:06] I got the name of that ppa from the sys76 support staff [03:06] right [03:07] ah that makes sense [03:07] some of the staff are friends and one is my son, so I sorta get what i need [03:07] I think everyone does, however [03:07] valorie: how do you like your Sys76 machine? [03:07] love it! [03:07] Sysinfo for 'valorie-Oryx-Pro': Running inside KDE Plasma 5.18.4 on Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (Focal Fossa) powered by Linux 5.4.0-7625-generic, CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-7700HQ CPU @ 2.80GHz at 2725-3198/3800 MHz, RAM: 20368/32067 MB, Storage: 309/1144 GB, 289 procs, 4.27h up [03:08] beefy machine with lotsa storage and RAM [03:08] their service is fantastic too [03:09] yeah, I've been pretty happy with them [03:09] been using them since about '09 [03:10] years ago I bought a little travel laptop from ZaReason [03:10] with Kubuntu on it [03:10] :-) [03:10] loved that too [03:10] it's a i386 but afaik still running an older Kubuntu [03:10] I gave it to my nephew [03:11] the Kubuntu Focus is pretty cool too [03:11] valorie: I wasn't sure if I could get anything from ZaReason since they're in South Africa [03:11] my nephew has my previouls Oryx Pro right now :D [03:11] ? No, they are in Berkeley, California [03:11] oh then why did I think they were in South Africa? [03:11] * Hiryu shrugs [03:11] that's driving distance for me.. [03:12] because ZA is the country code for south africa [03:12] aaah [03:12] but yeah, they're in Berkeley [03:12] I met some of the too, when they came to LinuxFest Northwest [03:12] and they fixed, on the spot a little problem I had [03:12] although their contact page says Michigan now. huh. [03:12] linux people are generally pretty cool [03:13] i wonder if they moved [03:13] hmmm, I got an email from them the other day [03:13] didn't sound like it [03:13] their FAQ says to mail stuff to their HQ in MI too [03:13] odd. [03:13] hmmm [03:14] oh there's a section about it in https://zareason.com/About.html [03:14] certainly less expensive to live in MI than the SF area! [03:14] yeah [03:14] berkeley is not cheap lol [03:14] and i know they were struggling for a while, sounds like they took the opportunity to pick up and move [03:15] hmm.... [03:15] sounds like a fun move on their part [03:15] I know my son loves working in Denver for sys76 [03:16] that's pretty cool [03:17] very nice folks [03:17] https://kfocus.org/ is the Focus [03:17] big machine [03:18] but I'm not doing Big Data [03:19] valorie: do you have 'linux-system76' installed by chance? [03:20] yep [03:20] $ apt policy linux-system76 [03:20] linux-system76 : Depends: linux-generic (= 5.4.0-7625.29~1587437458~20.04~2960161) but 5.4.0.26.32 is to be installed [03:20] linux-system76: [03:21] Installed: 5.4.0-7625.29~1587437458~20.04~2960161~dev [03:21] hmmm [03:21] and do you have system76-dev-ubuntu-stable-eaon installed? [03:22] and if so, did you do a sudo apt update after installing it? [03:22] yes and yes [03:23] $ apt policy linux-generic [03:23]