[04:29] <Guest39094> hello
[04:30] <Guest39094> penis
[04:30] <jason__> neat
[04:35] <jason__> hello
[04:50] <guiverc> Hi jason__ , if you have a Lubuntu support question please just ask it. (try and keep to a single line & be patient, people will answer if/when they're able)
[05:25] <diogenes_> Hey guys, why is there https://lubuntu.net/downloads/ which says 'Download Latest lubuntu Version 19.04' and https://lubuntu.me/downloads/ '20.04 LTS (Focal Fossa)' that's confusing.
[05:25] <dax> lubuntu.net isn't official, lubuntu.me is.
[05:28] <diogenes_> and it's not clear on the web page besides google search shows lubuntu.net as the firts search result.
[05:29] <diogenes_> first*
[05:29] <CrazyTux> diogenes_, I picked that link from distrowatch.
[05:30] <CrazyTux> https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=lubuntu
[05:32] <tsimonq2> Lubuntu.me is the only official website.
[05:32] <tsimonq2> If it bothers you, contact the owner of Lubuntu.net and tell them to hand over the domain name.
[05:34] <diogenes_> lol it doesn't bother me it should bother you because lubuntu.net might gather the donations intended for .me.
[05:43] <tsimonq2> Oh, I know.
[05:43] <tsimonq2> We've been fighting this battle for the past five+ years.
[05:43] <tsimonq2> Don't think we don't care.
[05:46] <jason__> oof
[05:46] <jason__> thats a F in chat bois
[08:20] <Far> Hi, I updated from 18.04 to 18.10, and then 19.04 and now I'm using 19.10 waiting for the 20.04 release. I was reading about the change from 18.04 to 18.10 that intoduced LXQT, and the recommendation that to do fresh install. (Which I ignored since I installed lubuntu on top of my ubuntu 18.04 at the time), I found out that there are some leftovers
[08:20] <Far> from the LXDE era that I wish to remove.  After searching through the web I came a note which recommended to remove some packages after the upgrade from 18.04 to 18.10.
[08:20] <Far> https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/manual/browse/18.10/source/D/upgrading.rst
[08:21] <Far> The list of packages which were labeled as "unnecessary" is a bit odd. Why should I remove synaptic or some of the gnome related things for example if I'm only planning to get rid of LXDE related softwares?
[08:23] <guiverc> My system (also LXDE from pre-18.10 era) upgraded includes synaptic; part of recommendation as I see it was it's GTK+ based and thus not as efficient (on LXQt) as `muon`, let alone the duplication..  synpatic can still be used if you've the RAM to ignore extra libs needed to run it
[08:24] <guiverc> the same applies to other GNOME/GTK3 apps; my opinion anyway (I'm using hexchat; which is GTK based for example; but with 8gb ram I'm not worried about wasted by having a few GTK libs in RAM; it's an efficiency decision as I understand it
[08:25] <guiverc> s/wasted/wasted ram/
[08:29] <Far> What about  gnome-software and gnome-disk-utility. Are those two redundant as they have better alternatives or just redundant because I'm using lubuntu?
[08:32] <guiverc> They aren't as memory efficient as they'll bring in GTK3 libs into your memory during their use, ie. libs that do the same thing for those programs that Qt libs needed for your desktop/Qt based apps are already in memory.  My box has both those listed apps installed & I use them if I want to (gnome-disks anyway; I prefer aptitude as a package manager)
[08:33] <Far> Thanks!
[08:37] <Far> Another thing, upon uninstalling the packages which now have QT alternatives, like pcmanfm. The uninstaller shows "pcmanfm*", doesn't this mean it will uninstall both the gtk and qt versions?
[08:37] <guiverc> the Qt based version is `pcmanfm-qt` so a different package.
[08:39] <guiverc> I don't like the '*' in your question, and sorry I'm unsure if it'll remove the qt package (I avoid *'s in removal... if at terminal I'd hope all packages would be listed so you can be sure before you enter "y" do it)
[08:39] <guiverc> sorry I'm unsure on that one.
[08:40] <guiverc> fyi:  my system did have some LXQt packages removed at some point... but I forget the details (it wasn't recently) so when I discovered it - I just re-isntalled `lubuntu-desktop` I think to fix
[08:40] <Far> Yeah, I just copied the command in the link I given above. It's weird it shows the "*" at the end of the package name which usually means it is grouping packages together.
[08:40] <guiverc> problems such as that are why 18.04 LXDE to later LXQt aren't supported (minor hurdles)
[08:41] <guiverc> not really a problem in my opinion, but for most end-users it's it a problem (hurdle that's too high..)
[08:42] <guiverc> this is my opinion only.
[09:04] <Far> So after deleting the obsolete packages, a dialogue came up for switching the login screen. I selected SDDM but after rebooting I was greeted by a black screen. After switching to the kernel(?) terminal, I reconfigured my login screen to use GDM instead of SDDM and the issue got resolved. But GDM is really slow.
[09:04] <Far> Are there any ways to make SDDM work?
[09:12] <guiverc> Far, sorry I stepped away (will have to again), I'd expect `sddm` to work; but I'd probably `sudo apt install lubuntu-desktop`  to see if it pulls in packages (it may tell you it's already installed; in that case I'd pick & check some at random, or `sudo apt install --reinstall lubuntu-desktop`
[11:07] <Tardisusers21> im having trouble installing lubuntu 18.04.4 on my hp pavilion ze4258. After it finishes the last screen before it would start to install the installer closes and the mouse curser just spins while the laptop is just doing nothing
[11:32] <Javeed> Hi
[11:32] <Javeed> I am getting error while installing Lubuntu 20.04 in my lap
[11:33] <Javeed> i currently have lubuntu 19.04 installed
[11:36] <Javeed> Are you there please ???
[11:37] <Javeed> Error during installtion ----   Installer failed to create a partition table lubuntu
[11:43] <guiverc> Javeed, Please have a look at the release notes (https://lubuntu.me/focal-released/) and the Known Bugs section, esp. "replace partition on .. with calamares failed"
[11:44] <Javeed> Okay thanks
[11:59] <Tardisusers21> im having trouble installing lubuntu 18.04.4 on my hp pavilion ze4258. After it finishes the last screen before it would start to install the installer closes and the mouse curser just spins while the laptop is just doing nothing
[12:00] <Tardisusers21> wait
[12:12] <Cal> Hi I am new to Lubuntu and was looking for some help
 trying to update with "sudo apt update && full-upgrade -y"  from 19.10, get error:E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend - open (13: Permission denied) … E: Unable to acquire the dpkg frontend lock (/var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend), are you root?
 sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
 @aptghetto [sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade], excuse me, my fault.
 🤔 I get "No new release found." when try "sudo do-release-upgrade". I followed instructions in manual:  … "You may be prompted “No new release found”, if so follow this step, else skip it. Go into software sources by Preferences ‣ Software Sources and on the Updates tab change Show new distribution releases and select Normal
[14:24] <kc2bez> Updates usually follow the release by a few days, I don't believe they have been activated yet.
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> Updates usually follow the release by a few days, I don't believe they …], oh, ok, thank you.
[14:25] <kc2bez> No problem.
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> Updates usually follow the release by a few days, I don't believe they …], this is accurate.  they have not activated the upgrade paths yet.
[19:09] <Hum> Lubuntu 20.04 doesn't support i386 any more (from focal-released/). http://ftp.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/focal/main/binary-i386/Packages.xz is still available. Can I install maybe 18.10 i386 and upgrade to 20.04?
[19:24] <Hum> Ok I found the details in german at https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/32-Bit-Architektur/
[19:32] <wxl> Hum: to be sure it's clear (i don't do german) there's a select number of i386 packages still available but 32 bit images and MOST i386 packages are unavailable
[19:42] <Hum> wxl: yes, thx. That is stated there and 18.04.4 is recommended for i386
[19:43] <wxl> Hum: which is only supported by the lubuntu team until early next year. i would suggest moving to debian and frankly that's the general recommendation of the lubuntu team
[19:47] <Hum> wxl: Ok, thx. I will try Lubuntu first and if it works, I have to reinstall in ~1 year.
[19:48] <wxl> Hum: yep. or get a new computer. you can get a 64-bit capable machine very cheaply from an electronics recycler
[19:49] <wxl> Hum: example https://www.ebay.com/itm/Free-Geek-Low-Cost-Tech-Laptop-Linux/193406352671?var=&hash=item2d07eabd1f
[19:49] <wxl> $99 is all you need to run lubuntu ad infinitum
[19:50] <wxl> Hum: btw that's from these fine folks https://www.freegeek.org/
[19:56] <Hum> wxl: I haven't recognize them before. Thinkpads are the one I prefer and we have an old TK 3882 and I try to revive it: https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/TK-3882_800033595.html
[20:00] <wxl> Hum: much of the linux distribution world is dropping 32 bit. i wouldn't spend your time on it, personally.
[20:01] <Hum> wxl: I have the same discussion with a friend of mine. We always end up with "just for fun". ;)
[20:01] <wxl> Hum: sure but at that point perhaps it would be more fun to use some obscure architecture like vax. that would be more fun.
[20:01] <Hum> btw in germany the prices for used notebooks have raised since covid-19. I am suprised to the such a low price for a notebook.
[20:02] <wxl> i'm sure if you look carefully, especially at organizations like free geek, which are non-profit, you will find low prices
[20:02] <Hum> I don't have the money and the space for vax
[20:02] <wxl> locally here, our recycler was just on the news talking about their low cost options and even discounts for students
[20:03] <wxl> so their response to covid-19 has actually been to lower the price
[20:03] <wxl> but again, they're a non-profit
[20:03] <Hum> Do you mean freegeek is non-profit?
[20:03] <wxl> yep
[20:04] <wxl> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Geek
[20:05] <wxl> there are many similar organizations throughout the US
[20:05] <wxl> i woudl be absolutely shocked and appalled if there wasn't something similar in germany
[20:06] <Hum> nice. In Germany there are companies which recycle/reuse old hardware and small groups of 1- maybe 5 people who do it and offer it to poor people
[20:06] <wxl> i know the guy that runs freeshell.de is very cool. perhaps he could point you in the direction of someone similar?
[20:07] <Hum> I don't know of any non-profit organization in Germany.
[20:09] <Hum> I knew free, restricted shells before, but freeshell is more then that!
[20:09] <wxl> oh freeshell is fantastic
[20:09] <wxl> i've been a member there for a long time
 @wxl [<wxl> Hum: example https://www.ebay.com/itm/Free-Geek-Low-Cost-Tech-Laptop-Linux …], i couldnt find information about screen like resolution and inch
[20:11] <wxl> @tbs61 probably because it's a generic listing. you could always inquire.
[20:11] <wxl> when you're an electronics recycler, you get random stuff
[20:12] <Hum> my mail account is at https://mailbox.org , they are a german, commercial provider but they have a strong opinion about several things, e.g. https://mailbox.org/en/post/roskomnadzor-withdraws-petition-to-block-access-to-mailbox-org-in-russia
[20:12] <wxl> my work uses a lot of recycled electronics and we subsequently recycle a lot of electronicss through the recycler so i have a vast degree of experience on the subject :)
 @Hum [<Hum> my mail account is at https://mailbox.org , they are a german, commercial …], is this and AD ? :D
[20:12] <Hum> lubot: Oh, sorry no.
[20:13] <Hum> it is just offtopic about alternative IT solutions ;)
 lubuntu has offtopic groub:)
[20:15] <Hum> in a year i386 will be right there :/
[21:27] <wxl> we ripped it out of the default openbox config but you can add it back if you want
[21:27] <wxl> my personal feeling is if you want tiling, get a tiling window manager
[21:28] <kc2bez> Which you could probably still run Lubuntu on top of ^
[21:28] <kc2bez> LXQt is pretty great that way
[21:28] <wxl> you can
[21:28] <wxl> i use awesome and i know @lynorian at least used to run i3
[21:29] <kc2bez> We dropped it before the 19.10 release
[21:29] <wxl> i don't think so. can't remember either. openbox is kind of limited. it was denoted a sort of "finished product" by its developers a long while back
 So you can't drag a window to the left or  and it will snap?
 @wxl [<wxl> we ripped it out of the default openbox config but you can add it back if …], This makes it seem like it's  the case
 If so....that is a stupid  thing to remove
 Might be taking about a keybinding though
 Part of the reason  why I have trouble  adopting lxde/lxqt
[22:05] <wxl> i wasn't talking about snapping at all
[22:06] <wxl> and window management has nothing to do with lxde/lxqt because they're both window manager agnostic
[22:06] <wxl> i.e. you can drop in any window manager you want
[22:06] <wxl> use kwin if you want all the frills
[22:09] <wxl> you could change the configuration of the super key so it doesn't open the menu and then all is well
 So what happens now with the new qt briefings and the backlash. Lubuntu has gone full qt now, and I'm wondering how they will respond.
[22:10] <wxl> but it's actually an openbox problem
[22:10] <wxl> we've been doing it for a while now (after april 2018) and been doing just fine
 @Hill Ma [I don’t feel like I care much.], But the new strategy by qt will definitely influence lubuntu, wouldn't it?
[22:18] <wxl> https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-and-open-source