 We aren't an official flavor.
 We are basically training for it
 I'm the lead. Thank you for showing love ❤️
 @KajiiNarumiChat
 But hey, I work with people from the mainstream
 So we aren't part of the flavors, but we are part of the family
 😃😃😃 (re @ItzSwirlz: I'm the lead. Thank you for showing love ❤️)
 Anyone know whos the guy to talk to about theming design via IRC?
 That reminds me to actually get the wallpapers in other than the official colors of UL with the fossa
 I tried Cinnamon on Linux mint, but I didn't like Linux mint, although I liked Cinnamon. (re @ItzSwirlz: So we aren't part of the flavors, but we are part of the family)
 I see what you mean (re @KajiiNarumiChat: I tried Cinnamon on Linux mint, but I didn't like Linux mint, although I liked Cinnamon.)
 That's where the LM Vs UC difference is. Linux Mint comes with lots of their own maintained software installed
 We rely more on GNOME software
 Yes, yes ... I like that the flavors in Ubuntu are different, Ubuntu Gnome is not equal to Fedora Gnome, Xubuntu is not equal to Manjaro, and Ubuntu Cinnamon remix is ​​not equal to Linux mint. (re @ItzSwirlz: We rely more on GNOME software)
 At work Ubuntu Studio is super functional for me. At home I have Ubuntu. And in this new lts I thought it would be official Cinnamon, even so I want to leave it as the only distro on my pc
 please retweet all flavor release tweets
 https://twitter.com/ubuntu_mate/status/1253382564221464578
 https://twitter.com/kubuntu/status/1253382547171663881
 Sorry, I don't speak English, it's difficult for me to translate (re @ItzSwirlz: We rely more on GNOME software)
 https://twitter.com/ubuntustudio/status/1253378716362629120
 I did some
 https://twitter.com/ubuntu/status/1253378475295232003
 Any that @UbuntuCinnamon missed?
 https://twitter.com/Ubuntu_Kylin/status/1253377716801302534
 https://twitter.com/LubuntuOfficial/status/1253331338456776704
 (waits)
 https://twitter.com/Xubuntu/status/1253492395448193026
 (waits again)
 aaandd?
 @philipz https://twitter.com/UbuntuCinnamon/status/1253294147844308992
 thanks was just about to do it :D
 xD
 You're the best
 😍😍😍😍
 omg i have an idea
 no need to retwet all at once, you can space them out :D
 xd (re @philipz: no need to retwet all at once, you can space them out :D)
 I did all 9, waiting for UbuntuDDE
 and the last one https://twitter.com/UbuntuBudgie/status/1253365222825512963
 Oh god
 thx
[02:10] <valorie> lubuntu, no image in your tweet?
[02:10] <valorie> that gets more attention....
 was a blog post (re @ubuntutesting_bot: [irc] <valorie> that gets more attention....)
 none for xubuntu as well :D
[02:10] <valorie> tomorrow is another day!
[02:11] <valorie> add images before tweeting if you want attention
[02:11] <valorie> thanks @philipz
[02:11] <valorie> all rt'd
 Luckily I know marketing tactics with art!
 any time valorie
[02:12] <valorie> sometimes it's hard to come up with something for my genealogy society, but I try to add *something*
 was thinking that us flavors should likely do a survey similar to the one ubuntu did - https://twitter.com/rhys_the_davies/status/1253244019267768320
[02:13] <valorie> all-test tweets get far fewer likes or rt's
 Ubuntu Cinnamon 20.04 is stable version? (re @ItzSwirlz: That's where the LM Vs UC difference is. Linux Mint comes with lots of their own maintained software installed)
 @philipz Would you count remixes too? Or leave it to the 7 official flavors.
 yes
 yes (re @KajiiNarumiChat: Ubuntu Cinnamon 20.04 is stable version?)
 did it for him (re @KaiLoveLinux: @philipz Would you count remixes too? Or leave it to the 7 official flavors.)
 for the only avail one
[02:14] <valorie> sounds like a good survey
[02:15] <valorie> otoh we basically give people all KDE software
[02:15] <valorie> so unsure how much it would guide us
 each individual flavor would likely do their own survey, as they would likely have unique questions that they'd want to ask their users
 but we could all coordinate doing it together to give as much PR as possible to them
 I plan to write the "pre-release" survey for Ubuntu Lumina, so I can see what people know, where I need to focus, and other things.
 which survey platform were you thinking to use @KaiLoveLinux
 👍 (re @ItzSwirlz: yes)
 Google Forums as I am not fond of others that I have tried, others would be an option I'd take if recommended to me. (re @philipz: which survey platform were you thinking to use @KaiLoveLinux)
 valorie: know any good survey platforms?
[02:18] <valorie> survey monkey?
 has kubuntu used them before?
[02:19] <valorie> or you can go all-text and do ranked-choice voting
[02:19] <valorie> not that I know of
[02:19] <valorie> KDE uses them sometimes though
 well lets all checkout possibilities and return with our findings some time soon. i know we all need a break now that the release is out the door :D
 XD

 from ubuntu's survey https://admin.insights.ubuntu.com/wp-content/uploads/7559/flavour.png
 it is wide and tank-like (re @ItzSwirlz: XD)
 there was a request for flavors (re @philipz: from ubuntu's survey https://admin.insights.ubuntu.com/wp-content/uploads/7559/flavour.png)
 got people to say "Cinnamon"
 (cough)
 nvm
 the numbers seem exactly what i'd expect
 this one was a bit odd for me as xubuntu was higher than kubuntu https://admin.insights.ubuntu.com/wp-content/uploads/b020/whatisyourprime.png
[02:26] <valorie> I never heard about this survey
[02:26] <valorie> tsk tsk to popey
[02:26] <dax> maybe xubuntu tweeted it out and kubuntu didn't, or something
[02:27] <dax> really hard to get a representative sample for linux community surveys
[02:28] <dax> you can do everything right and then someone posts a link on some advocacy subreddit and throws everything off
[02:29] <valorie> yep
[02:29] <valorie> kubuntu isn't all I do, so I miss some stuff
[02:30] <Eickmeyer> I also never heard about the survey. Probably why Studio never tweeted it out.
 The snaps result is quite interesting "Our sentiment analysis revealed something quite interesting with snaps. There was an almost even split between negative, neutral and positive comments at 30.1%, 33.5% and 36.3%, respectively."
[02:32] <valorie> thank goodness for the -flavors chan
[02:32] <valorie> so we can all more easily stay informed
 i think my thick skull is giving in.😇 may I please discuss my difficulty here, before  committing my self to launching a bug? (re @philipz: bugs should be reported on launchpad, but can be discussed here to know if others are aware of an already existing bug)

 :D (re @KajiiNarumiChat: )
 Be careful with partitioning
 do you have already good existing partitions setup?
 /home  & / (re @ItzSwirlz: do you have already good existing partitions setup?)
[02:36] <valorie> @first_sheemon of course
 gr8
 got a good efi?
 only legacity
 no windows in my pc 😎
 yes of course (re @first_sheemon: i think my thick skull is giving in.😇 may I please discuss my difficulty here, before  committing my self to launching a bug?)
  (re @ItzSwirlz: got a good efi?)
 okay you should be fine
 😳😳😳 the seed is stop... (re @ItzSwirlz: :D)
 ah great, it was a torrent? oof (re @KajiiNarumiChat: 😳😳😳 the seed is stop...)
 i know someone else was hosting it for me
 0kB/s  download :
 Thanx.
 oh
 dear lord
 maybe grab the torrent file instead
 xD :
 sadly couldnt get the fossa as a png and get it converted well but i tried
 why not
 wasn't it an svg, so it should be easy to convert it
 So btw guys you can also change your gdm3 colors
 there is a css stylesheet of some sort or something
 so i will do that stuff tomorrow
 quality though (re @philipz: why not)
 gimp isnt best with svg
 but i do plan on making more ubuntu emojis
 also glad i fixed ubuntuthinking :

 everyone send me ur fav emojis and ill ubuntu them
 seems fine when i've done it (re @ItzSwirlz: gimp isnt best with svg)
 Hm
 anyways is there a tool to change color of theme
 E.g yaru theme
 To show a preferred hex
 Like a good theme builder
 🥴- Best emoki
 🥴- Best emoji (edited)
  (re @ItzSwirlz: everyone send me ur fav emojis and ill ubuntu them)
 🐺 (re @ItzSwirlz: )
 joint flavor survey working doc - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oAQ7UdimjPz_WDP87VkXI6Nrs22lROy6i4Ll7XnoN9E/edit#
 https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/g766in/kubuntu_2004_lts_with_a_bit_of_buntu_branding_on/
 What is used as a SoftwareCenter replacement these days?
 i use synaptic :D
 I'm on UbuntuMATE... there is sofware boutique, but that installs stuff via snaps which I don't want to.
 There is gnome-software and ubuntu-software
 I wonder :)
 so I had software-boutique installed
 but it was not visible in menus
 typing software-boutique in terminal yielded 'you do not have ubuntu-mate-welcome snap installed'
 @wimpress why is ubuntu-mate-welcome needed for software-boutique?
 I actually meant - is this by-design or is it a bug? :D
 I’ll tweeting (re @philipz: joint flavor survey working doc - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oAQ7UdimjPz_WDP87VkXI6Nrs22lROy6i4Ll7XnoN9E/edit#)
 Groovy. Gorilla
 ok then
 Actually is cinnamon remix allowed to join (re @philipz: joint flavor survey working doc - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oAQ7UdimjPz_WDP87VkXI6Nrs22lROy6i4Ll7XnoN9E/edit#)
 from what i understand, the boutique is part of welcome, so that would be why (re @MrkiMike: I actually meant - is this by-design or is it a bug? :D)
 i wouldn't mind but it maybe a decision that canonical/ubuntu would have to make (re @ItzSwirlz: Actually is cinnamon remix allowed to join)
 True
 xubuntu has released its what's new video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a_uVSNnIGY
 alright. meta updated to 0.2 for groovy, gpg key is currently publishing to lp
 Ubuntu 20.10 Groovy Gorilla Release Schedule has been posted: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/groovy-gorilla-release-schedule/15531
 Apr 30: Toolchain Updated
 July 02: Ubuntu Testing Week
 August 27: Feature Freeze, Debian Import Freeze
 Sept 03: Ubuntu Testing Week
 Sept 17: UI Freeze
 Sep 24: Doc String Freeze
 Oct 01: Beta
 Oct 08: Kernel, Non-lang pack trans deadline
 Oct 15: Final, RC, LP Trans deadline
 Oct 22: Rel
 So with Ubuntu’s icon theme when an error occurs and the report a problem opens, with UC’s icon theme it shows Numix icon. What file would that be
 Does anyone know
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 Where is there not many seeders?Or is my computer just not connecting to all the trackers? :
 or perhaps you're behind NAT so nobody can connect to you 😜
 which client you using? (re @troyBORG: )
 qBittorrent Enhanced (re @philipz: which client you using?)
 is there an enhanced version of qbittorrent as i havent heard about it


 Yeah it looks like my Pfsense was blocking stuff going to the BT client.. :
 Lots of the trackers just say "Not contacted yet". :
  (re @philipz: is there an enhanced version of qbittorrent as i havent heard about it)Got it from the AUR.... :
[19:29] <ubuntutestingbot> [irc] <popey> test
 uh, fail
[19:30] <popey> lets try that again
 this one still works?
[19:39] <popey> yes
[19:43] <jpeisach> test
[19:44] <jpeisach> uh
[19:44] <jpeisach> ok?
[19:44] <jpeisach> Test
[19:44] <jpeisach> Hmm still not orking
 ugh
 thanks
[19:44] <jpeisach> cd ..
[19:44] <jpeisach> pfft great job
[19:44] <jpeisach> ja
[19:44] <jpeisach> @popey still can't join
 On 20.04 Ubuntu when you r not on the main keyboard language SUPER key don't work
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 Ubuntu Cinnamon has had their first patreon donation
[22:22] <valorie> nice!
[22:22] <valorie> and we're off to the groovy gorilla races, friends
 congrats
 it feels so weird like
 typing "groovy" as a distribution
[22:26] <valorie> it will be awhile before the old Simon & Garfunkel song stops playing in my head
[22:26] <valorie> :-)
 did you use Focal Fossa_white_RGB.svg from http://people.ubuntu.com/~flexiondotorg/Focal_Fossa_Wallpapers.tar.xz (re @ItzSwirlz: )
 Yes
 when you imported it into gimp, did you import it at a higher resolution?
 i Y'll
 Can someone help me define this little irritation?
 On the Dell Inspiron 13-7535 (any similar touchpad?), ignoring the touchscreen for a moment,
 the mouse cursor seems to get "stuck".  What seems to de-stick it is a sharp rap on the keypad with a finger.  However, I think I may have managed to improve on this fuzzyness.
 When a switch is clicked on a screen button, the cursor refuses to move afterwards.
 A rap event restores normal operation.
 Again, I am not sure what package to associate with this behavior; it could be a kernel driver, or a "virtual mouse" layer, it that still exists in Linux, or something else altogether.
 Any help will be appreciated.
 which flavor are you on?
 oops!  20.04, generated on 3-April, up to date ?)
 KDE...
 I would say that first you should test other flavors to see if the same thing happens and that would tell you if it's a flavor or linux issue.
 If it's a linux issue the  you'd file against the linux package as mouse drivers come from there I believe.
 Makes sense, but only one little machine here
 you can test multiple distros on a single machine
 you dont have to install it, run the live session after copying the iso onto a USB
 you can also install the flavor on a USB if you run the ISO in a VM
 and then run the installed version of the USB
 Low level drivers for sure. Next week, when I have more than one small partition...
 none of these options i mentioned would touch your hard disk
 yes!  how forgetful I am.  Thanx.
 perfect way to test flavors and distros before committing to them. i have an external usb hard disk and made space on it for an installation and can always wipe that partition if i want to try out another flavor/distro
[23:36] <valorie> one day in my travel laptop my HD died right before I needed to be at a library help session (genealogy)
[23:36] <valorie> so I just burned a USB and used the live session for those hours
[23:36] <valorie> before buying a nice shiny SSD
[23:37] <valorie> my Mac-using friend was incredulous that it was even possible
 yep my hard disk failed a few months ago and i was running of a live session with extra USB to keep my files between reboots
 running off* a
[23:37] <valorie> I told him, well if I shut mine now, you could do the same thing with this USB!
[23:37] <valorie> even on his aging mac
[23:38] <valorie> I don't think he believed me
 yep alot of old Macs are coming to linux as they can no longer get software updates. which is great.
[23:41] <valorie> yup