[00:00] <sebsebseb> RawrUpgrade: yep classic issue, it's called a broken package manager
[00:00] <RawrUpgrade> Heh ;3
[00:00] <sebsebseb> RawrUpgrade: usually a bit or more of a pain when that happens, but can be fixed
[00:00] <RawrUpgrade> Any existing help docs on stackexchange?
[00:00] <sebsebseb> RawrUpgrade: sometimes happens on a big upgrade did 99% of things but  not the very last things
[00:01] <sebsebseb> RawrUpgrade: try the command it suggests that's the first thing to do
[00:01] <SJudge> sebsebseb: If I recall from Ubuntu Desktop you can set a CD Image as a software source, I just don't know how to do the same for Server
[00:01] <sebsebseb> SJudge: maybe you can point to packages on a ISO, but that's more a thing of the past I think if so, but I could be wrong
[00:01] <RawrUpgrade> The thing that was unsettling was the lack of advice after the window closed.. like.. it just CLOSED.. no "try visiting this page for help" or access to an error log, nothing.
[00:02] <sebsebseb> RawrUpgrade: yep thats what can happen
[00:02] <RawrUpgrade> So I was left with a feeling of "uhh... that's not good.. afraid to reboot."
[00:02] <sebsebseb> RawrUpgrade: if you re boot will probably be mostly ok, but  may as well try and fix it first I guess
[00:02] <sebsebseb> RawrUpgrade: run the command it suggests
[00:02] <RawrUpgrade> I just now found this thread. Does it look kosher to use for advice? https://askubuntu.com/questions/457095/the-upgrade-has-aborted-your-system-could-be-in-an-unusable-state
[00:03] <sebsebseb> RawrUpgrade: askubuntu is usaully a good source for advice yes
[00:03] <RawrUpgrade> sebsebseb: It didn't suggest any command, just closed the window and went back to desktop.
[00:04] <sebsebseb> RawrUpgrade: uh you gave a dpkg thing earlier i think
[00:04] <sebsebseb> RawrUpgrade: the fix install thing ?
[00:04] <sebsebseb> that's the command it's suggesting
[00:04] <sebsebseb> to run
[00:04] <whitekidney> How long does it usually take before I can upgrade from 19.10 to 20.04? A few days?
[00:04] <RawrUpgrade> sebsebseb: Yes, but it didn't tell me "run this." It said "it will run now" so I assume that already ran.
[00:04] <sebsebseb> RawrUpgrade: you could try that yourself
[00:04] <sebsebseb> RawrUpgrade: you could even try the upgrade command again to see what happens yourself
[00:05] <sebsebseb> RawrUpgrade: it should just have a few packages to still do
[00:05] <sebsebseb> RawrUpgrade: assuming it donwloaded lilke everything and installed pretty much everything
[00:05] <sebsebseb> RawrUpgrade: also a re boot either way would probably be mostly ok except yep a broken package manager untill fixed
[00:06]  * sebsebseb thinks broken package managers are are annoying, espeically when trying to do something with someone and try and make her reolise Linux is great and then bang issues with that,  but that was months ago now
[00:06]  * sebsebseb is annoyed that she won't just install updates too herself since scared of it going wrong or whatever
[00:07] <RawrUpgrade> Ahh, okay interesting... I ran `$ sudo dpkg --configure -a`
[00:07] <sebsebseb> RawrUpgrade: yes did that help
[00:08] <RawrUpgrade> Apparently this has to do with `piper`. During the upgrade process, it mentioned it wasn't able to update `piper` and might be left in an unusuable state. Typing the dkpg command ran about 20 lines of stuff, erroring out in the end.
[00:09] <RawrUpgrade> ```Setting up piper (0.4-1) ...E: py3compile:183: cannot create directory /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/piper/__pycache__: FileNotFoundError(2, 'No such file or directory')Traceback (most recent call last):  File "/usr/lib/python3.8/py_compile.py", line 197, in main    compile(filename, doraise=True)  File "/usr/lib/python3.8/py_compile.py", line
[00:09] <RawrUpgrade> 142, in compile    source_bytes = loader.get_data(file)  File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap_external>", line 972, in get_dataFileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/piper/application.py'During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred:Traceback (most recent call last):  File
[00:09] <RawrUpgrade> "/usr/lib/python3.8/runpy.py", line 193, in _run_module_as_main    return _run_code(code, main_globals, None,  File "/usr/lib/python3.8/runpy.py", line 86, in _run_code    exec(code, run_globals)  File "/usr/lib/python3.8/py_compile.py", line 218, in <module>    sys.exit(main())  File "/usr/lib/python3.8/py_compile.py", line 204, in main    if
[00:09] <RawrUpgrade> quiet < 2:NameError: name 'quiet' is not defineddpkg: error processing package piper (--configure): installed piper package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 1Errors were encountered while processing: piper```
[00:09] <sebsebseb> !pastebin
[00:09] <RawrUpgrade> Darn, not formatted very well as I had hoped.
[00:09] <sebsebseb> RawrUpgrade: you shouold pastebin
[00:10] <sarnold> heh, if it had come through with good formatting, probably one of the bots would have quieted you for a while
[00:10] <RawrUpgrade> https://pastebin.com/0LibZyj5
[00:10] <sebsebseb> sarnold: yep that's what I was thinking to
[00:10] <sebsebseb> a bot might quiet
[00:10] <sebsebseb> RawrUpgrade: usaully it's just one package that messes up the package manager and bang
[00:11] <sebsebseb> RawrUpgrade: not sure what the piper package is but ok
[00:12] <RawrUpgrade> Ahh! It's the open source(sorry, RMS) alternative to Logitech's GHUB mouse/device controller software.
[00:12] <RawrUpgrade> Piper, I mean.
[00:12] <sebsebseb> RawrUpgrade: where you get that from ?
[00:12] <sebsebseb> RawrUpgrade: is it a ppa ?
[00:13] <RawrUpgrade> https://github.com/libratbag/piper/wiki/Installation
[00:13] <sebsebseb> RawrUpgrade: ppa's don't get upgraded on upgrades
[00:13] <sebsebseb> RawrUpgrade: I guess stuff installed from source will usually be left alone too
[00:13] <RawrUpgrade> Hmmm.. "For Ubuntu version older than this (20.04) you can use this PPA." So yes.
[00:13] <sebsebseb> RawrUpgrade: maybe just run the upgrade command again to see  what happens or doesn't happen
[00:14] <sebsebseb> RawrUpgrade: your ppa won't be upgraded with the oher packages though
[00:14] <sebsebseb> when doing a  upgrade to 20.04
[00:14] <RawrUpgrade> Interesting, `sudo apt update` is pulling from focal, so something obviously got upgraded.
[00:14] <sebsebseb> RawrUpgrade: you can also test intalling some random package or something
[00:15] <sebsebseb> RawrUpgrade: yes it's probably not as broken as it first looked
[00:15] <RawrUpgrade> Ahhhh! Interesting! `libc++1/focal 1:10.0-50~exp1 amd64 [upgradable from: 1:9.0-49~exp1]` is available for upgrade. Let's see what that does.
[00:15] <sebsebseb> RawrUpgrade: so re booting should be ok soon enough too
[00:16] <RawrUpgrade> It failed. I'mma just uninstall piper, remove the PPA (since it looks like I'm 20.04) and use the current `apt install piper` command and see what happens.
[00:16] <Jordan_U> sebsebseb: I just quickly skimmed the backlog. Did you have RawrUpgrade run "sudo apt full-upgrade" and confirm that nothing else is pending to be upgraded?
[00:16] <sebsebseb> RawrUpgrade: you need to re boot to properly be on it though with the kernel and all that
[00:17] <sebsebseb> Jordan_U: nope
[00:17] <sebsebseb> RawrUpgrade: yep try what Jordan_U put
[00:17] <RawrUpgrade> Jordan_U: There was one more pending upgrade, unrelated. Nautilus.
[00:17] <Jordan_U> RawrUpgrade: Please pastebin the output of "sudo apt full-upgrade".
[00:18] <RawrUpgrade> https://pastebin.com/vv8crAzH
[00:19] <RawrUpgrade> *coughs* I already said yes, btw. Looks like it ran alright with no problems.
[00:20] <Jordan_U> RawrUpgrade: The following packages have been kept back: libc++1
[00:20] <Jordan_U> RawrUpgrade: That could be a bad sign.
[00:21] <RawrUpgrade> And, looks like the 20.04 piper installed just fine.
[00:21] <RawrUpgrade> Oh? c++?
[00:22] <Jordan_U> RawrUpgrade: When the full-upgrade is finished please pastebin the output of "sudo apt install libc++1" I'm hoping that it will tell us what would be required to upgrade the package, why it's being held back. Note, it might say something like "OK, I'll just remove half your system and then we can upgrade this package!" so don't just accept what it offers to do without careful consideration.
[00:22] <RawrUpgrade> Right, one sec.
[00:23] <sebsebseb> RawrUpgrade: Jordan_U right leaving here bye good luck with issue
[00:23] <RawrUpgrade> https://pastebin.com/3vby80vb
[00:24] <RawrUpgrade> Plus I'm thinking I should do an `autoremove` too
[00:28] <RawrUpgrade> There, much better. https://pastebin.com/us4c5Lai
[00:30] <RawrUpgrade> There! One sec.
[00:30] <RawrUpgrade> Nice! All clean, no kept back packages.
[00:31] <RawrUpgrade> Do I dare reboot...
[00:32] <RawrUpgrade> Or...
[00:32] <RawrUpgrade> Let's make sure first..
[00:34] <RawrUpgrade> ALRIGHT! "The computer needs to restart to finish installing updates." So! ... Looks like everything might be in order. Thank you so much. Hopefully this works.
[00:35] <pringlescan_> Hello. I'm having issues with Ubuntu 20.04. It appears that navi12 AMD firmware (for RX-5700) isn't included in the release.
[00:37] <pringlescan_> It's odd because the installer warns of possibly missing firmware (navi12), but I see no reference to 12 here: https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git/log/
[00:38] <sarnold> heh, youi're quick, I was digging up the url for the linux-firmware repo, to suggest looking for it there :)
[00:40] <pringlescan_> full disclosure, I've wasted a few days trying to get linux installed on an AMD cpu/gpu machine. I have never had so many issues. I have a RX-5700 but I have it flashes to an RX-5700XT. This is a very common practice, however, I'm wondering if it's screwing up the hardware detection process and somehow choosing either *no* firmware or an incompatible one.
[00:41] <pringlescan_> I saw lots of reports of issues with this and nobody solved it, however, nobody mentioned whether they also "flashed up" their cards
[00:41] <pringlescan_> I suppose for science, I will try to flash back to the latest version of the bios for my actual card and see if I can install Ubuntu. If so, it'd be nice to fix this so everyone isn't pulling their hair out.
[00:49] <fizzik> My bluetooth headset is connected but not showing up in sound settings. Anyone assist? Ubuntu 20.04
[00:49] <davros> anyone know off hand if you can use an apple magic trackpad with ubuntu
[01:03] <Eickmeyer> davros: No experience here, but it looks like it's possible: https://askubuntu.com/questions/807940/how-to-enable-multi-touch-gestured-with-apple-magic-trackpad-on-ubuntu-16-04
[01:03] <davros> ok thats encouraging
[01:03] <pringlescan_> :( It doens't appear that "upflashing" had anything to do with it. I may have missed it, but, I didn't see anything about "possibly missing firmware"
[01:05] <woenx> Hi. I just upgraded from ubuntu 18.04 to 20.04. Fresh install. One question. I have a couple bluetooth devices that I use both in Ubuntu and windows
[01:05] <woenx> I remember I copied the bluetooth key from the windows partition to linux
[01:05] <woenx> however, the tutorials I find require to first pair the device in linux, then in windows, and copy the new key back to linux
[01:05] <woenx> is there an easier way?
[01:06] <Eickmeyer> woenx: In my experience, no. That is typically the only way to do it. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
[01:07] <woenx> Eickmeyer: Thanks. Don't worry. It's mostly lazyness at this point :)
[01:07] <Eickmeyer> woenx: It's precisely why I haven't done it yet with my newest device. :P
[01:07] <woenx> some bluetooth mice are multi-device, right? they can be paired with more than one device at the same time
[01:08] <Eickmeyer> woenx: Yes, but usually those have a physical switch.
[01:08] <woenx> ah
[01:09] <woenx> anyway, it's 10 minutes. But I hate having to restart, browse the registry, etc...
[01:09] <woenx> if there was a script to do that...
[01:12] <kinghat> anyone know of a writer that can make a win 10 bootable usb from ubuntu?
[01:12] <kinghat> woe-usb doesnt work
[01:12] <kinghat> etcher says it wont work
[01:12] <woenx> Mmmm
[01:13] <woenx> are you sure woe-usb doesn't work? I think I used it in the past
[01:13] <oerheks> fastest is on a windows machine
[01:13] <oerheks> just copy the iso to usb, done
[01:14] <kinghat> i get failing errors using fat32 or ntfs option
[01:14] <Eickmeyer> kinghat: Wait... you're trying to put Windows 10 on a USB drive?
[01:14] <kinghat> oerheks: thats chicken/egg thing
[01:14] <oerheks> fat32 you need.. but this is not an ubuntu issue
[01:14] <oerheks> Eickmeyer, that can be done..
[01:14] <kinghat> Eickmeyer: not just put it on there. make it bootable as well.
[01:15] <Eickmeyer> kinghat: It might be possible, but this is the wrong channel to ask about it.
[01:15] <Eickmeyer> Try ##windows
[01:15] <oerheks> woeusb is your friend, else a windows machine
[01:15] <woenx> in ##windows they'll say the same thing, xD
[01:15] <sarnold> wild guess, try installing windows in libvirt, passthrough the usb stick, run rufus on it? :)
[01:15] <sarnold> or, try installing windows in libvirt, and then realize that you're done
[01:16] <woenx> what is libvirt?
[01:16] <oerheks> libvirt/kvm
[01:16] <kinghat> ya i thought about trying to make it on my windows VM but im trying to get the ISO to install to disk because the VM is slow as it is.
[01:16] <oerheks> really?
[01:17] <sarnold> hmm, how much memory do you have? how much memory did you get the vm?
[01:17] <kinghat> i gave the vm 4gb and 4 cores
[01:17] <kinghat> hmm maybe 2 cores
[01:17] <kinghat> ya 4 cores
[01:18] <kinghat> id have to pass through the iso as well
[01:22] <sarnold> or scp it in
[01:22] <electricityZZZZ> hey sarnold ;)
[01:22] <sarnold> hello electricityZZZZ
[01:23] <electricityZZZZ> trying to do an install of ubuntu 20.04 onto an encrypted ZFS root partition
[01:23] <electricityZZZZ> from scratch, i'm fine with wiping the drive
[01:23] <sarnold> oh sweet
[01:23] <electricityZZZZ> i already tried to do that and failed,..
[01:23] <electricityZZZZ> i followed some guide which involved editing what i think was a ubiquity installer script but i ended up with an unencrypted ext4 partition
[01:24] <electricityZZZZ> and so now i am trying again,... anyway, anybody got a clue on this one?
[01:24] <woenx> Btw, it's still not possible to login using fingerprint, without then having to enter the password to unlock the keyring, right?
[01:26] <badbodh> unlikely. the purpose was to have fingerprint as an additional security, not a replacement for password.
[01:28] <woenx> then it's useless
[01:28] <woenx> in windows, you just place your finger on the reader, and you don't have to use passwords
[01:28] <woenx> here, if you are automatically asked for a password after using the fingerprint reader... what's the purpose?
[01:29] <sarnold> woenx: check out the nullok option in pam_unix(8)
[01:29] <woenx> aha
[01:29] <woenx> thanks
[01:33] <woenx> And I see that thunderbird is still unable to login to hotmail accounts using a password...
[01:34] <sarnold> at least gmail requires you to create a service password of some sort and enable unsafe logins; does hotmail have something similar?
[01:35] <badbodh> don't need to create password for thunderbird. it uses an authentication token of some sort for gmail
[01:36] <woenx> yes, for gmail works perfectly
[01:36] <woenx> for hotmail you have to login to your account on the web, go to account options
[01:36] <woenx> search for some obscure security option to generate a temporary password
[01:37] <woenx> and then authorise that password for thunderbird
[01:37] <woenx> (hotmail/outlook/windows mail, etc.)
[01:38] <woenx> Super user friendly :)
[01:43] <Napk1n> hey a crontab is suppose to run the first time the moment you save it?
[01:43] <badbodh> weird, thunderbird has oauth2 support yet outlook doesn't support it. or maybe the config is wrong...
[01:44] <Napk1n> for the first time*
[01:45] <Jordan_U> Napk1n: Not unless you happen to save it just before the moment it's supposed to be triggered, no. What are you trying to do and what problem are you having?
[01:46] <Napk1n> so I want a script to run every 6 hours everyday
[01:46] <Napk1n> I set it up as 0 6 * * * command
[01:46] <Napk1n> is that right?
[01:47] <sarnold> Napk1n: the usual mistakes are (a) relying upon your shell's current PATH rather than the much smaller PATH that cron uses by default (b) forgetting to set a called script executable (c) relying upon current working directory from the shell rather than the / cwd that cron probably uses..
[01:47] <sarnold> Napk1n: check the mail spools on the system, or the user's mail account if the machine can send email elsewhere, cron likes to email errors rather than logging them
[01:48] <Jordan_U> Napk1n: That says to run command every day at 6AM.
[01:49] <Napk1n> oh I guess i misunderstood the guide
[01:49] <Jordan_U> Napk1n: https://crontab.guru/every-6-hours
[01:50] <Napk1n> oh okay, thanks dude
[01:50] <sarnold> oh that's cool :)
[01:50] <Jordan_U> Napk1n: You're welcome.
[01:50] <Napk1n> so would that start right away or would it start at 12 am?
[01:51] <Jordan_U> Napk1n: It would start at time 12AM.
[01:51] <woenx> Mmm, thunderbird also has trouble logging to corporate gmail accounts
[01:52] <sarnold> if that's the next hour that is divisible by six, yeah
[01:52] <Napk1n> yea server is EST shouldve clarified that
[01:52] <Napk1n> okay thank you
[01:53] <Jordan_U> Napk1n: Crontab doesn't care when you created the file. For something like "every 6 hours", hour 0 is 0:00AM .
[01:54] <dax> current thunderbird should work with corporate google accounts, it supports oauth
[01:54] <dax> i guess it wouldn't if your admin has disabled IMAP
[01:54] <Napk1n> Jordan_U I see
[01:54] <dax> but the default gsuit config enables it
[01:57] <Jordan_U> Napk1n: To give another illustrative example, if you set something to run every 10 hours (which a 24 hour day isn't divisible by) then it would fire off at 0:00 AM, 10 AM and 8:00 PM, and then the next day at 0:00 AM again. crontab doesn't care that 8:00 PM to 0:00 AM is less than 10 hours, and again, when it gets triggered has no relation to when you wrote it.
[01:58] <woenx> Ok, if anyone tries to configure a corporate/university gmail account in thunderbird, follow these steps: https://oit.colorado.edu/tutorial/gmail-configure-thunderbird
[01:59] <dax> looks about right. there's a good chance it'll autodetect most of that too, it does at my work
[02:00] <Napk1n> yea that makes sense, more accurate schedules
[02:12] <woenx> in the new network manager, there isn't an option to connect automatically to VPN when connecting to wifi. In order to do that, you have to use the old editor by typing: nm-connection-editor
[02:14] <sarnold> electricityZZZZ: did youget any errors on the other vts? dmesg? logs? journalctl -f while running?
[02:15] <electricityZZZZ> journalctl -f while running what?
[02:15] <sarnold> the installer :)
[02:16] <sarnold> before getting to the zpool create bit
[02:16] <electricityZZZZ> i don't know when the installer tries to do that
[02:16] <electricityZZZZ> for other people in #ubuntu to follow along, this was the guide i was using: https://linsomniac.gitlab.io/post/2020-04-09-ubuntu-2004-encrypted-zfs/
[02:17] <sarnold> I've only run the server installer so far (which doesn't offer zfs yet :( ) -- but it had a very clear point at which it was going to throw away all the data on the disk
[02:18] <electricityZZZZ> https://www.phoronix.com/image-viewer.php?id=2020&image=ubuntu_2004_zfs1_lrg after this screen?
[02:18] <sarnold> yeah --- before clicking "ok", head to another console, journalctl -f , maybe tail -F /var/log/installer/*   (I think it logs there)
[02:18] <electricityZZZZ> so i guess you are asking, after i click Install Now ?
[02:19] <sarnold> just so long as it happens before it starts writing to the disks -- the trouble of course is they might scroll by pretty quick
[02:20] <electricityZZZZ> journalctl -f looks boring to me but i am far far far from an expert
[02:20] <electricityZZZZ> gnome is complaining about some junk but it doesn't look significant
[02:21] <sarnold> heh, yeah, that's gnome, they log a lot of stuff that looks like fatal error kinds of things but somehow it never seems to matter, and it never seems to get cleaned up..
[02:21] <Haxxa> Should I upgrade all my servers to Ubuntu 20.04 without testing anything?
[02:21] <sarnold> Haxxa: do you like filing bug reports or do you just want things to work?
[02:22] <electricityZZZZ> right so if i click install now, it tells me that it's going to set partition #1 as ESP and partition #2 as ext4
[02:22] <Haxxa> sarnold everything should work perfectly, I have zero tolerance
[02:22] <sarnold> electricityZZZZ: :(
[02:22] <electricityZZZZ> even though i clicked to use ZFS
[02:22] <electricityZZZZ> i'm getting a bunch of Home directory not accessible messages but i don't think that matters
[02:22] <sarnold> Haxxa: I suggest you wait a few weeks, perhaps even months
[02:22] <electricityZZZZ> oh hey what do you know
[02:22] <electricityZZZZ> syntax error
[02:22] <electricityZZZZ> it wants a }
[02:22] <sarnold> electricityZZZZ: woo
[02:22] <electricityZZZZ> in zsys-setup
[02:23] <electricityZZZZ> good job, i'll take a look, maybe i made a typo,... pretty sure not tho
[02:23] <sarnold> it's possible the guide here was just a bit wrong too
[02:23] <sarnold> it looked right in sprit but perhaps not right in details :)
[02:25] <electricityZZZZ> so yeah uh, lets just say that your password cant contain certain characters.
[02:26] <sarnold> heh, it probably has to abide by standard shell quoting conventions..
[02:27] <sarnold> it's easier to generate something with just the a-zA-Z0-9 kind of range anyway, at the length you need for the security level you want
[02:27] <sarnold> it'll mean a ton of typing of course..
[02:27] <electricityZZZZ> i use use the names of the last 3 distinct people i spoke to on irc as my password always
[02:28] <electricityZZZZ> lol jk ;)
[02:28] <electricityZZZZ> so uh, no error yet but it sure is taking a while after zfs was selected with no declaration of anything
[02:29] <sarnold> electricityZZZZ: lol
[02:30] <electricityZZZZ> lots of z's in the log scrolling by, so that must be a good thing
[02:30] <sarnold> lets hope so :)
[02:31] <sarnold> my guess, without actually knowing how it is working, is that it might be writing garbage to the whole disk, in preperation to encrypted datasets ontop
[02:31] <sarnold> the luks crypto thingy gives you the choice if you want to write garbage first or not, since it can take a while..
[02:32] <electricityZZZZ> the "taking a while" thing was actually some kind of weird window focus issue, it looked like the window was busy/frozen but it was just lacking focus
[02:32] <sarnold> :(
[02:32] <electricityZZZZ> i had to go to focus and click install and everything was fine, it's moving at a reasonable pace
[02:34] <sarnold> electricityZZZZ: alright, time for me to bail -- I'd be curious to hear how this works out for you, if you can pop a success or failure note :)
[02:34] <devslash> I noticed that ubuntu server 20.04 LTS was just released and I'm about to set up a new server. Do you guys recommend going straight to 20.04 LTS instead of 18.04 LTS like I had planned ? Would you guys say that it's stable enough ?
[02:35] <sarnold> devslash: depends, I think; if you just want things to work, probably best to stick to 18.04 for the moment; if you're more an enthusiast and want to try things out, file bug reports when they break, etc, 20.04 may make sense
[02:35] <genhaoqi> that is a huge question, maybe depend on yourself
[02:37] <Jordan_U> devslash: It all depends on what you're doing with your server. One thing to think of is that the project you're trying to setup may not work yet with the new package versions in 20.04. If it's just a casual home server, then probably going straight to 20.04 makes sense. That way you get two more years of useful life before you need to upgrade.
[02:38] <devslash> Jordan_U I'm planning on setting up Docker and setting up Docker container for media server, web server and so on so my main focus will be on doing everything though Docker
[02:39] <devslash> And not installing too much outside of Docker and some bare essentials
[02:39] <genhaoqi> that is OK
[02:39] <Phruis> the ubuntu software sources app needs to be fixed
[02:39] <Phruis> if you have an error in your sources it just hangs
[02:40] <Phruis> been like that for years now
[02:40] <Jordan_U> devslash: Then I'd go with 20.04.
[02:40] <devslash> Ok thanks
[02:41] <electricityZZZZ> devslash: go straight for ubuntu 20.04 LTS
[02:42] <electricityZZZZ> wow it worked, encrypted zfs on root :)
[02:43] <electricityZZZZ> sarnold: thanks for the debugging tip :)
[02:43] <electricityZZZZ> bye everybody!
[02:43] <devslash> ElectricityZZZZ what are the advantages of ZFS ? I was planning 5o use a traditional ext4 file system
[02:43] <sarnold> electricityZZZZ: woot!
[02:43] <sarnold> electricityZZZZ: thanks :D :D
[02:43] <electricityZZZZ> ZFS is good if you like your data to not turn to trash
[02:43] <electricityZZZZ> and if you want to be smug around other linux users
[02:45] <genhaoqi> right
[02:45] <devslash> I'm reading about zfs
[02:45] <devslash> Has anyone else been using zfs
[02:47] <genhaoqi> I'd like to, but only have a small disk, not necessary
[02:47] <sarnold> devslash: I've got a moderate sized system with zfs, and my laptop with zfs
[02:47] <devslash> I'm considering using zfs
[02:48] <devslash> But I'm a zfs newb
[02:48] <sarnold> the laptop is a single nvme, so there's no redundancy gains, but it does do compression and snapshots, and I ought to be able to send my datasets off to the big machine as a backup strategy (which worked for a while, but I hit a bug there..)
[02:48] <sarnold> devslash: I enjoyed this https://pthree.org/2012/12/04/zfs-administration-part-i-vdevs/
[02:48] <sarnold> devslash: it's a bit older but still useful
[02:49] <devslash> I will also be installing on an nvme ssd
[02:49] <genhaoqi> zfs may more suitable for a NAS
[02:49] <Jezzirolk> i just downloaded the ubuntu 20.04 server iso and was throwing it in a VM, noticed that it didnt have option to do ZFS on root, unless im missing something
[02:51] <genhaoqi> https://www.linuxidc.com/upload/2020_03/20031120112974.png
[02:51] <sarnold> Jezzirolk: it does not ;(
[02:52] <devslash> Oh well then I guess i won't be using zfs then
[02:52] <abhi> Hello
[02:53] <Jezzirolk> so there is no way to do ZFS on root on server without like doing a full install and then like tearing the desktop out
[02:53] <Jezzirolk> which sounds like a lot of work
[02:53] <sarnold> Jezzirolk: I did this on my laptop some time last year https://github.com/openzfs/zfs/wiki/Ubuntu-18.04-Root-on-ZFS
[02:54] <sarnold> it was a lot of work
[02:55] <abhi> I am quite new to the Ubuntu operating system. But on my desktop I am not be able to control my brightness. Maybe need to work on graphics driver. Can you please help me to get Graphics Driver on the AMD Ryzen 5 2400g Vega 11?
[02:55] <woenx> Why does Xsane look like it was last updated in 1997?
[02:56] <Jezzirolk> do we know why they chose not to include the zfs option in the server installer?
[02:56] <mesaboogie> server should not have "Experimental" things is my guess
[02:58] <sarnold> Jezzirolk: too much to do, too little time
[03:04] <Jezzirolk> i mean i feel ya but also this is my home server that i wanted to play with/test this a bit i guess ill play with tearing the gui out of the desktop installer
[03:04] <Jezzirolk> or just go get farmiliar with MDADM again
[03:21] <arunkumar413> My system running 18.04 doesn't show the latest 20.04 to update in the notifications
[03:22] <dax> !ltsupgrade
[03:23] <dax> !ltsupgrade =~ s/released/released in late July/
[03:25] <arunkumar413> okay. Will wait till 20.04.1
[03:29] <abhi> I am quite new to the Ubuntu operating system. But on my desktop I am not be able to control my brightness. Maybe need to work on graphics driver. Can you please help me to get Graphics Driver on the AMD Ryzen 5 2400g Vega 11?
[03:30] <Jordan_U> Jezzirolk: I use btrfs on most of my machines and I really like it. You should be able to select btrfs as a filesystem in the server installer.
[03:37] <RawrUpgrade> Evening! Sorry to barge back in so soon with another question, but I have a crazy one. Ubuntu 20.04 is seeing my USB headset in Settings > Sound, but is ignoring when I switch to it. PulseAudio control does not even see the device. I did no setting changes to my devices. It was working, then suddenly not. I tried `systemctl --user restart
[03:37] <RawrUpgrade> pulseaudio` to no avail, and tried a full reboot and still the problem remains.
[03:38] <RawrUpgrade> Wait. Strike that. Small addendum.
[03:39] <RawrUpgrade> Okay, that's bizarre.
[03:41] <RawrUpgrade> In pulse audio control, Playback Tab, I was able to select the device specifically for the application and now Ubuntu's Settings > Sound menu is responding to my toggling the dropdown again.
[04:12] <seamlik> Hi, does Ubuntu Installer create a btrfs snapshot before installing on an existing root partition?
[04:12] <seamlik> I installed 20.04 on a root filesystem partition and expected the old home directory would be persisted but can't find it now
[04:12] <seamlik> However the disk usage hasn't changed, so it must be somewhere
[04:21] <zap0> looking at upgrading a 19.x to 20.04,  it's primary use is interfacing with a win7 machine via samba..  release notes https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseNotes#Samba_4.11  says SMB1 disabled, is that likely to cause me problems?
[04:21] <zap0> is my current 19.x <-> win7  likely using SMB1?
[04:24] <winny> hello - I tried to update my old ubuntu 19.04 install - but i can't seem to update sources or packages (which do-release-upgrade says I must do before upgrading to 20.04) - Pastebin here of the contents of my sources.list, apt update, apt upgrade https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/dKRNYz37PD/
[04:27] <winny> (Any suggestions or obvious pointers welcome, ubuntu isn't my most familiar OS)
[04:27] <genhaoqi> too many 404  Not Found [IP: 91.189.91.38 80]
[04:28] <winny> indeed =)
[04:32] <r2b2nz> winny: The answer on https://askubuntu.com/questions/91815/how-to-install-software-or-upgrade-from-an-old-unsupported-release might help
[04:35] <genhaoqi> winny: and check could you access http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[04:37] <winny> yeah, and we can verify disco isn't on the main mirror http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ . But disco is available here http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/
[04:38] <genhaoqi> winny: change the source list by hand and update
[04:38] <kenwoodfox> Computers are hard
[04:38] <winny> indeed =)
[04:39] <dax> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades goes through the whole process, if you need more step-by-step :)
[04:39] <genhaoqi> kenwoodfox: not hard but complex
[04:40] <winny> it was an old vanilla install i found on an ssd in a box. I'll probably blow it away because I wasn't intending to keep it around for long. I decided first I'd give ubuntu another litmus test to see what happens if i fire up a neglected vanilla install half a year later
[04:40] <genhaoqi> reinstall a new 20.04 is better
[04:41] <genhaoqi> update from a very old version is very complex
[04:41] <genhaoqi> may take a lot of time
[04:42] <kenwoodfox> genhaoqi: Its true
[04:42] <kenwoodfox> lots of bits
[04:42] <winny> a fresh install is certainly a fine suggestion ;) thanks for the help.
[05:03] <jkelol111> Hi, I have a problem, my mute LED on my laptop keyboard isn't working
[05:03] <jkelol111> And the audio crackles after resuming from sleep
[05:39] <dabbill> Any one know the package to get the nvidia primus profiles under the power settings in gnome. On the top bar dropdown menu.
[05:41] <blahboybaz> If I remove mysql from my system will it hurt anything?
[05:41] <blahboybaz> or if I reinstall it?
[05:41] <blahboybaz> I lost my stinking password to it and I need to use it to install wp
[05:42] <blahboybaz> I thought if I reinstall it or purge it and install it again it will ask me for a password and I can give it the password I remember
[05:42] <blahboybaz> I tried the soln shown in the article it doesn't work
[06:01] <invra> anyone knows if there is any trick to isntall ubuntu in a btrfs subvolume?
[06:04] <r2b2nz> blahboybaz: Not sure which article you are referring to but section B.4.3.2.2 on https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.6/en/resetting-permissions.html might help
[06:04] <bsvo> Hi. Has anyone noticed a title bar issue with firefox when firefox is resized back from maximize mode ?
[06:05] <bsvo> This is on the latest  version.
[06:06] <bsvo> I see two title bars when I resize.
[06:15] <choice> Hello! On an Ubuntu machine, am I able to download and run lynx even if I don't have a root account?
[06:17] <matsaman> choice: probably
[06:18] <choice> How? So far I have not found a downloadable+runnable version on the net.
[06:19] <matsaman> it might be easier to build it from source than to find a prebuilt binary
[06:20] <oli_b> Hi All
[06:21] <matsaman> choice: https://lynx.invisible-island.net/lynx2.8.9/index.html grab an archive of 2.8.9, read the INSTALLATION file 'Compile instructions -- UNIX'
[06:21] <matsaman> oli_b: hi
[06:21] <matsaman> choice: you could possibly grab a .deb for it, though, and use deb2targz, if you've got it
[06:21] <matsaman> or some similar tool, to turn a .deb into a boring mess of binaries
[06:21] <matsaman> it all just depends on what you _do_ have access to
[06:22] <matsaman> and what you're willing to do with that access
[06:22] <matsaman> for example if you have physical access, you can give yourself root access
[06:22] <choice> matsaman: I only have the shell. I can download via wget for example.
[06:22] <matsaman> choice: but maybe something else that is installed already would suffice? w3m? elinks? links?
[06:22] <matsaman> choice: technically curl and wget, even
[06:23] <matsaman> no harm trying the installatio, though
[06:23] <choice> neither w3m, elinks nor links are present
[06:23] <matsaman> installation*
[06:32] <Rumen> hi there
[06:33] <Rumen> I have just upgrade to 20.04 lts but crashed, kernel panic can not sync root in I have access to recovery mode and try dpkg --configure -a but nothing helped so far any ideas?
[06:34] <Rumen> in normal mode load until login where start flickering between terminal and mouse cursor
[06:34] <matsaman> Rumen: what's it say exactly?
[06:36] <Rumen> Kernel Panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
[06:37] <matsaman> Rumen: do you know what FS your partitions use? lsblk -f
[06:37] <Rumen> ext4
[06:37] <Rumen> for sure
[06:38] <matsaman> Rumen: what all is in /boot/ ?
[06:41] <Rumen> folder grub  and many old kernels
[06:42] <matsaman> Rumen: you might try the next oldest kernel in there other than the one currently configured for
[06:43] <Rumen> it doesn't load
[06:43] <matsaman> the previous kernel? What's the error?
[06:43] <Rumen> load until login screen and there start blink terminal cursor from time to time shows the mouse cursor and nothing else
[06:44] <matsaman> oh okay, and the latest kernel is unknown block?
[06:45] <matsaman> Rumen: these instructions should still work: https://dannyda.com/2019/06/29/how-to-ubuntu-18-04-2-lts-boot-into-text-mode/
[06:46] <matsaman> Rumen: if you use it against your old kernel, you should be able to at least boot up and use your system, albeit without X running
[06:46] <matsaman> that might be less tedious than from the recovery image
[06:46] <matsaman> it could be you get the unknown block error because there is an incompatibility in the latest 20.x kernel you've got
[06:47] <matsaman> if you get all the way to the login screen with the older kernel and then it freaks out, that's less likely an actual OS problem, and more likely just a mismatch between the graphics configuration in the kernel and the graphics configuration in the userland
[06:47] <Rumen> I can boot and I have access to recovery mode where I can go to terminal root
[06:47] <matsaman> oh okay
[06:48] <nshire> any way to turn off gedit's auto syntax detection?
[06:48] <Rumen> can I start the upgrade again from there?
[06:48] <nshire> I'm trying to open very large files and it gives gedit a stroke
[06:49] <matsaman> Rumen: do you have an initrd in /boot that matches the kernel version you're using?
[06:49] <Rumen> no idea how to check that?
[06:50] <Rumen> I have updated the grub
[06:50] <Rumen> said "done" but no changes
[06:51] <dwaltz> nshire: I have and option  to turn spell check off, for the syntax do you mean a programming language specific syntax highliht?
[06:51] <nshire> I think so
[06:51] <nshire> it tries to auto-detect something and hangs
[06:51] <Rumen> I have the menu from the recovery mode with resume, clean, dpkg, fsck etc ... but all options didn't helped
[06:51] <dwaltz> nshire: what is the file extension
[06:51] <nshire> well anything
[06:51] <matsaman> nshire: possibly something to do with this: gsettings set org.gnome.gedit.preferences.editor syntax-highlighting false
[06:52]  * matsaman shakes head at non-text-file configs
[06:53] <matsaman> Rumen: just looking in /boot again should suffice
[06:53] <matsaman> Rumen: there will probably be an initrd file for each kernel file
[06:53] <Rumen> can I start the upgrade from the root terminal again?
[06:53] <matsaman> Rumen: make sure there's one for the most recent kernel
[06:54] <Rumen> yes as I see there is
[06:54] <Rumen> something crashed during the upgrade
[06:54] <matsaman> oh really?
[06:54] <mesaboogie> nshire: Menu -> view -> Hilight Mode -> Select "Plain Text"
[06:54] <Rumen> no idea what
[06:55] <matsaman> you're not out of storage space, thougH?
[06:56] <Rumen> yep, I started the upgrade early and continue to 03:00 and it was at 50% so I went to sleep and in the morning when I woke up it was black screen
[06:56] <Rumen> space - YES
[06:56] <Rumen> a lot
[06:56] <TR1950X> hi. is the 20.04 release stable or should I wait for a minor version?
[06:58] <matsaman> TR1950X: it's released, I have read waiting for .1 is worthwhile if you have zero time to debug issues
[06:59] <TR1950X> ok. a stable release should be stable enough so the end user does not have to debug issues. Sounds more like a beta release.
[06:59] <bsvo> I upgraded couple hours ago and I see an issue with firefox title bar when resizing from maximized mode
[06:59] <nshire> mesaboogie, I don't appear to have that option https://i.imgur.com/rZjt1Gi.png
[06:59] <Rumen> sudo dpkg --configure -a   said everything is OK, any other commands crash and ask for sudo dpkg --cofigure -a haha
[07:00] <lotuspsychje> TR1950X: like matsaman says its the users choice to install now or wait for the LTS way upgrade path
[07:00] <dwaltz> I'm not seeing to 20.04  the upgrade yet
[07:00] <lotuspsychje> !ltsupgrade
[07:00] <tatertots> i think it's a "LTS" version
[07:01] <lotuspsychje> tatertots: it is, but it always have been this way, like for production and stability to await .1
[07:01] <tatertots> LTS versions are usually good for 5 years so 16.04 would be good until 2021, 18.04 good until 2023 and 20.04 good until 2-25
[07:02] <tatertots> 2025
[07:03] <nshire> eh I'm just going to use something else to view non-text files
[07:06] <dwaltz> ubottu: I did no know I had to use -d for an LTS, thanks
[07:09] <Seveas> dwaltz: only unril the first point-release is released
[07:10] <Seveas> at which point the upgrade will be offered to users of the previous lts
[07:10] <sumagna> anyone here who can help me set up ubuntu 20.04 alongside ubuntu
[07:10] <sumagna> alongside windows 10 i meant
[07:11] <tatertots> sumagna: sometimes it's suggested that windows be installed FIRST
[07:11] <opa7331> @sumagna sure whats your setup? only one harddrive for both?
[07:11] <sumagna> thats done
[07:12] <sumagna> i have a ssd on which windows is(C:/
[07:12] <sumagna> )
[07:13] <tatertots> sumagna: then you should boot LiveCD/LiveUSB  and use gparted to make space for a second OS
[07:13] <opa7331> and no other ssds or hdds?
[07:13] <opa7331> That is not neccessarry as ubuntu can shrink windows partitions as well
[07:13] <sumagna> one ssd and one hdd
[07:14] <opa7331> more important is if there are other disks and if the contain the bootloader
[07:14] <raffa> G'day, I have a L2TP/IPSec VPN connection to a client. Is there a way I can set this connection, like under Windows, where the connection should not use the clients router as the gateway (so it doesn't route all my traffic across the VPN) and set some static routes instead?
[07:14] <tatertots> i don't think ubuntu automagically will configure ubuntu on it's own without user or human interactions
[07:14] <tatertots> gparted will be used in any case to create space for second OS
[07:14] <sumagna> i think the windows bootloader is on the C:/(ssd)
[07:14]  * opa7331 chuckles
[07:15] <opa7331> just to be sure i'd physically unplug the non C: drive and reboot into windows to check if thats the case. You can also leave it unplugged for the whole installation
[07:15] <atol-71> sumaqna: I had similar setup and I just used the setups install alonside windows option and job done. Really easy. It asks how big of a part you want to give for Ubuntu
[07:16] <matsaman> opa7331: so safe, so wise
[07:17] <opa7331> just had my felings hurt one too many times
[07:17] <sumagna> how to boot into the livecd?
[07:17] <sumagna> liveusb
[07:18] <opa7331> use rufus to write the iso on to a usb drive
[07:18] <opa7331> https://rufus.ie/
[07:18] <raffa> or Unetbutin
[07:19] <sumagna> i have written the iso already
[07:19] <sumagna> how to boot into it?
[07:19] <opa7331> plug it in, reboot and if you are lucky (and the settings in your bios are correct) you might see a keyboard+stickfigure which tells you just started grub2 (menu where to select if to install or try ubuntu)
[07:19] <opa7331> make sure to plug it directly into your pc. If you have a tower/desktop plug it in the back
[07:19] <sumagna> done
[07:21] <sumagna> it is checking filesystems  right now
[07:21] <opa7331> great
[07:21]  * opa7331 cheers
[07:23] <sumagna> try ubuntu or go straight to installing
[07:23] <opa7331> you can try if you want. There is an install now button there as well
[07:24] <sumagna> i want to see how it is like
[07:24] <opa7331> sure, go for it
[07:25] <sumagna> its so smooth than the laptop i am talking from right now(which is a bit old)
[07:25] <sumagna> goinf to installing it
[07:25] <sumagna> going to install it i mean
[07:27] <opa7331> usually after all the easy questions it will tell you that it has detected onother operating system (in your case windows10)
[07:29] <sumagna> the option is there to install alogside windows boot manager
[07:29] <sumagna> i should choose that, right?
[07:30] <opa7331> if youd like you can mess around with the other option
[07:30] <sumagna> naa
[07:31] <opa7331> then you can check out the gparted partraffa was taking about
[07:32] <opa7331> To be honest I don't know for sure whatthe size of the new partition will be
[07:32] <sumagna> after i selected the 'alongside' option
[07:33] <sumagna> it gave me a divider for files and ubuntu
[07:33] <opa7331> ahh great that sounds awesome
[07:34] <sumagna> atol-71: you installed it so any help?
[07:35] <opa7331> to be honest Im not too sure what to select...
[07:35] <reCaptcha> Samsung 2030 monitor on 20.04, inxi -G  Device-1: NVIDIA C61 [GeForce 6100 nForce 405] driver: N/A   Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.8 driver: nouveau,vesa   unloaded: fbdev,modesetting resolution: 1024x768~N/A   OpenGL: renderer: llvmpipe (LLVM 9.0.1 128 bits) v: 3.3 Mesa 20.0.4 Says driver N/AIs there a solution please?
[07:36] <sumagna> it divided the space in half and for files and ubuntu
[07:37] <sumagna> should i press install now?
[07:37] <sumagna> "Install Now"?
[07:37] <opa7331> so it shrinked the C: and placed ubuntu next to it?
[07:38] <sumagna> it didnt place it on C: but on another hdd
[07:38] <opa7331> uh-oh Is that what you want?
[07:38] <sumagna> i just want it installed
[07:39] <opa7331> but on the ssd and not the hdd right?
[07:39] <sumagna> i have no problem if it is on the HDD
[07:39] <zvrk> sumagna: i in your place i will first make free space with windows10
[07:39] <sumagna> what do you mean make space?
[07:39] <opa7331> but ubuntu might install another bootloader if you do not choose the windows disk
[07:40] <sumagna> it is giving me the option to select only the sdb(HDD) and not sda(SSD)
[07:41] <opa7331> mhh you might have installed windows in UEFI mode and started the stick in non-UEFI mode
[07:41] <sumagna> really?
[07:41] <sumagna> how can i know that?
[07:41] <reCaptcha> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nhDvSgK3Ct/
[07:41] <opa7331> you need to check with your bios
[07:42] <sumagna> from within ubuntu
[07:42] <sumagna> how can i know from within ubuntu
[07:42] <opa7331> it will tell you UEFI: sandisk (or whatever the name of your usbdisk) and just the name without UEFI prefix
[07:42] <sumagna> isnt there any command
[07:42] <opa7331> mhh im not sure
[07:42] <opa7331> !uefi
[07:43] <opa7331> ahh ubottu your the best lol
[07:43] <sumagna> should i chek if the usb stick has gpt or mbr?
[07:44] <opa7331> that should not be the problem
[07:44] <opa7331> you need to make sure that your bios detects the usb stick that its UEFI capabile
[07:44] <sumagna> https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwj168-6yIDpAhUPX30KHQL2CN8QFjAEegQIDBAG&url=https%3A%2F%2Fitsfoss.com%2Fcheck-uefi-or-bios%2F&usg=AOvVaw1ip5z-veaCyCGQM5eNNMw-
[07:44] <zvrk> sumagna: if you are not sure with what you are doing i suggest that first make back up your of your windows
[07:45] <sumagna> as per this site https://itsfoss.com/check-uefi-or-bios/
[07:45] <sumagna> "The easiest way to find out if you are running UEFI or BIOS is to look for a folder /sys/firmware/efi. The folder will be missing if your system is using BIOS.'
[07:46] <sumagna> how to make sure opa7331
[07:46] <opa7331> I expected he already did that zvrk
[07:46] <sumagna> that it detects the usb stick as uefi capable?
[07:47] <opa7331> check with your bios. before the menu "install ubuntu" try ubuntu" starts up press f2 or DEL
[07:47] <opa7331> and check in there
[07:47] <sumagna> i got in the bios of ASus i think
[07:47] <sumagna> it identifies sandisk cruzer switch as UEFI
[07:48] <sumagna> it states it like : "UEFI: SanDisk Cruzer Switch 1.26"
[07:49] <sumagna> opa7331: ?
[07:51] <opa7331> brb in 15min
[07:53] <sumagna> i dont have much time
[07:54] <opa7331> if it says UEFI you should be fine
[07:55] <sumagna> there was an option on the boot select option cotaining the word "UEFI"
[07:55] <sumagna> yea "UEFI firmware setting"
[07:56] <opa7331> don setthe firmware settings
[07:56] <sumagna> i just told u there was an option
[07:56] <opa7331> just select the uefi as boot option
[07:56] <sumagna> i am not so much of an idiot to select that
[07:57] <opa7331> try booting UEFI again and make sure that you can see windows10 in the installation menu
[07:57] <sumagna> i am clicking install now option
[07:57] <opa7331> just one more question
[07:57] <sumagna> yea
[07:58] <opa7331> do you have a backup?
[07:58]  * opa7331 pays...
[07:58] <opa7331> *prays
[07:58] <zvrk> sumagna: i suggest first read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot
[07:59] <sumagna> i never backup :p
[07:59] <sumagna> even when i installed on this laptop
[07:59] <opa7331> oh
[08:00] <zvrk> sumagna: do you have recoveryusb for windows
[08:00] <opa7331> well i can not in good faite tell you to install now :-/
[08:00] <opa7331> oh good q zvrk
[08:00] <sumagna> i dont know
[08:03] <zvrk> sumagna: read web page what i give you and then process to install ubuntu
[08:03] <sumagna> i dont have time to backup
[08:04] <opa7331> no time? Won't repairing take up more tie?
[08:05] <sumagna> i can understand what you guys are trying to tell
[08:05] <zvrk> sumagna: then you are on your own don't cry to us that we are give you bed advice when you scrue your system
[08:06] <sumagna> i dont accuse anyone else for my fault
[08:06] <sumagna> i promise
[08:07] <sumagna> now tell me how to install it please
[08:08] <opa7331> I'd like to go back to my before statement and tell you to remove the hdd
[08:09] <opa7331> like physically disconnect
[08:09] <opa7331> that way you can ensure that your ssd with windows is correctly recognied (with uefi and whatnot) and you dont end up needing and windows recovery stick
[08:10] <sumagna> it is giving me the option to install ubuntu alongside windows 10
[08:11] <opa7331> alriight
[08:11] <sumagna> should i choose it?
[08:12] <opa7331> and again with files and ubuntu on one side and windows on the other?
[08:12] <opa7331> if both are on the same disk
[08:12] <opa7331> click next
[08:13] <sumagna> it is still installing ubuntu on the other drive becuase the ssd has 220gb space i think
[08:13] <sumagna> not free
[08:13] <opa7331> mh don't click install now then
[08:13] <sumagna> it is all total space on the ssd
[08:13] <opa7331> resize your partition like plenty have others suggested
[08:14] <sumagna> i am bad at resizing partitions
[08:14] <opa7331> i heard.No Backup right ;)
[08:14] <sumagna> :)
[08:14] <opa7331> alright is there really no space?
[08:15] <sumagna> ssd has a partition of 239.4 gb which contains c:/
[08:15] <sumagna> it has near 124 gb free space
[08:15] <sumagna> 124061 MB
[08:16] <tatertots> there are youtube videos that show how to setup dual boot, maybe you should watch a few of those
[08:16] <opa7331> but it still is suggesting to install on the other drive?
[08:17] <sumagna> i went to advanced partitionng tool which was present under the "resizing ubuntu and files" dragger
[08:17] <opa7331> tatertots didn't you hear this guy has neither enough time to backup anything nor time to calmy install ubuntu
[08:17] <opa7331> where should he find time to watch youtubes...
[08:17] <opa7331> alright so what did you find in there sumagna?
[08:18] <sumagna> Device for bootloader installation:
[08:18] <sumagna> dropdown under it containing the partitions and drive
[08:18] <sumagna> and on top of it is the partitioning area
[08:18] <opa7331> familiar yourself with your two drives
[08:19] <sumagna> /dev/sda is the ssd and /dev/sdb is th hdd
[08:19] <opa7331> where is window sinstalled again?
[08:19] <sumagna> /dev/sda
[08:19] <opa7331> alright so /dev/sda will have the bootloader
[08:20] <opa7331> try to install ubuntu along that very same partition you just mentioned
[08:20] <sumagna> /dev/sda?
[08:20] <opa7331> and make sure the install the bootloader there as well
[08:20] <opa7331> yep
[08:20] <sumagna> i have to resize partitions
[08:21] <opa7331> it will be done auomatically
[08:21] <sumagna> what should i choose device for bootloader installation then?
[08:22] <sumagna> ??
[08:22] <opa7331> the ssd
[08:22] <sumagna> /dev/sda
[08:22] <opa7331> yup thats the one
[08:23] <sumagna> btw it is not in the normal install alongside windows boot manager option
[08:23] <sumagna> i went to the "Advanced partitioning tools"
[08:23] <halt> Just updated to 20.04 and switched from BIOS to UFI in the meantime, it did not go as smooth as I expected, I'm getting this error https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Jnqv9zZMVt/ and yes I already removed the grub* and installed grub-efi, but no luck yet, anything trivial I'm missing ?
[08:23] <opa7331> thats alright
[08:23] <opa7331> i reakize your in the partition manager now
[08:24] <sumagna> it will not delete windows?
[08:24] <opa7331> no
[08:24] <sumagna> ok then
[08:24] <opa7331> it will however overwrite the windows bootloader
[08:24] <sumagna> wait
[08:24] <opa7331> mh?
[08:25] <sumagna> i wil show u the screen i have right now
[08:26] <opa7331> i need a quick break till you uploaded the picture
[08:27] <opa7331> brb in 5min
[08:27] <vargfrost> i was trying to upgrade to 20.04 from usb/iso but the option wasnt there? have they removed upgrade to new release from usb/iso?
[08:28] <sumagna> imgur.com/a/FOEa7hQ
[08:29] <sumagna> opa7331: this is the screen i have
[08:30] <sumagna> see
[08:31] <sumagna> https://i.imgur.com/FC7FmCt.jpg
[08:32] <opa7331> alrighty
[08:33] <sumagna> so what to do?
[08:33] <opa7331> resize your windows partition /dev/sda4 (shrink widnows)
[08:33] <sumagna> how much?
[08:34] <opa7331> for that selectthe partition /dev/sda4 click change and shrink it so you have around 20gb of free spac at the end
[08:34] <opa7331> mybe even 30
[08:34] <sumagna> can i have /home on another partition?
[08:34] <opa7331> id suggest puttin /boot and /home on the same partition
[08:35] <opa7331> since this mbr you can't have more than 4 primary partitions anyway
[08:35] <sumagna> gpt
[08:35] <sumagna> uefi on gpt
[08:35] <opa7331> oh well
[08:35] <opa7331> then it might work. still i don't see why
[08:36] <sumagna> then the space on ssd has to be reduced much lesser
[08:36] <sumagna> i actually dont use windows on this computer, my elder sister does for his rendering studd
[08:36] <sumagna> *stuff
[08:37] <opa7331> uff
[08:37] <opa7331> maybe you should really make a backup first
[08:37] <sumagna> she wont be angry actually
[08:37] <opa7331> than go on
[08:37] <sumagna> anyways her files are on the hdd
[08:38] <opa7331> i see
[08:38] <sumagna> the software are on the ssd
[08:38] <sumagna> thats why she wont be angry
[08:38] <opa7331> still
[08:38] <opa7331> shrink windows, and use that free space to put the whole ubuntu there
[08:40] <sumagna> hello?
[08:40] <EriC^^> sumagna: what are you doing?
[08:40] <sumagna> /home?
[08:40] <sumagna> again dualbooting
[08:41] <sumagna> you helped me last time if i remember correctly
[08:41] <EriC^^> yeah
[08:41] <opa7331> i told him to use the advanced partition tool while installing ubuntu alongway of windows10
[08:41] <EriC^^> didn't you install on your dad's pc?
[08:41] <sumagna> yea but it is old
[08:41] <sumagna> so some of things are not getting along like tensorflow
[08:42] <sumagna> my sister's computer is pretty new with a good processor and much more RAM
[08:42] <EriC^^> aha
[08:43] <EriC^^> ok, so did you shrink windows and make unallocated space available for ubuntu?
[08:43] <sumagna> not yet
[08:43] <EriC^^> do that from windows, from its disk management tool
[08:43] <sumagna> ok
[08:43] <sumagna> then let me restart the computer
[08:44] <opa7331> EriC^^ thanks for taking over haha
[08:44] <EriC^^> if it fails or say not enough volume even though you have the space, you might need to defrag it first
[08:44] <EriC^^> lol opa7331
[08:45]  * EriC^^ locks channel doors, you're not going anywhere! :D
[08:45]  * opa7331 ratteling atthe doors 
[08:45] <EriC^^> xD
[08:45] <opa7331> nah thats fine. Im here, just wont answer as fast
[08:46] <sumagna> how much do i need?
[08:46] <EriC^^> sumagna: like 20gb min would be good for a standard install, if your sis can spare the space
[08:47] <sumagna> can i have the /home on another drive?
[08:47] <EriC^^> if you want yeah
[08:47] <sumagna> how much mb should i enter?
[08:47] <EriC^^> sumagna: the pc has 2 drives or it's another hdd?
[08:48] <sumagna> ssd and hdd
[08:48] <EriC^^> ok
[08:48] <EriC^^> so install on ssd and /home on hdd i guess
[08:48] <sumagna> its giving in mb and not gb
[08:48] <EriC^^> yeah that's not a problem
[08:48] <sumagna> how much mb then?
[08:48] <sumagna> *MB
[08:48] <EriC^^> 1gb is 1000mb
[08:48] <EriC^^> so 20,000mb is 20gb
[08:48] <sumagna> 20000
[08:48] <EriC^^> yeah
[08:49] <sumagna> 19.53 gb
[08:49] <sumagna> i entered the exact value of 20,000
[08:49] <sumagna> np?
[08:49] <EriC^^> that works, you also need to make unallocated space on the hdd for /home
[08:50] <sumagna> one of the partitions on the hdd is totally mine so no problem
[08:50] <sumagna> how much should i allocate?
[08:51] <sumagna> how much should i allocat for the /home
[08:51] <EriC^^> it's totally up to you
[08:52] <sumagna> 30 gb?
[08:52] <EriC^^> that sounds good
[08:52] <sumagna> shrinked
[08:52] <karges10> hi all , i have really got into a problem here. after upgrading to 20.4 today my system is not booting
[08:52] <sumagna> now
[08:53] <sumagna> restart ubuntu with the liveUSB
[08:53] <sumagna> ?
[08:53] <karges10> not sure what had happened during the update. just  the lenovo  compnay symbol is coming thats all!! i tried booting a live
[08:53] <karges10> and tried to repair the grub by grub repair
[08:53] <EriC^^> sumagna: yeah
[08:53] <karges10> boot-repair
[08:54] <karges10> it did not solve the problem either.. but it asked whether it should upload the result to pastebin , i said no needed
[08:54] <EriC^^> karges10: can you boot a live usb right now?
[08:54] <sumagna> started ubuntu
[08:54] <karges10> yeap
[08:55] <karges10> i will do once again now
[08:55] <EriC^^> karges10: ok boot it up and let it connect to the internet and report back
[08:55] <karges10> ok sure
[08:55] <EriC^^> sumagna: ok, press 'try ubuntu'
[08:55] <sumagna> install ubuntu?
[08:55] <karges10> oh yea i will do that only
[08:55] <karges10> try ubuntu
[08:55] <EriC^^> sumagna: not yet, let's make sure there's no uefi/legacy issues first
[08:55] <sumagna> done
[08:56] <EriC^^> sumagna: ok, does it have internet connection currently?
[08:56] <karges10> yes
[08:56] <EriC^^> karges10: type "sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999"
[08:56] <karges10> last time when i did live boot ( 10 mins bnack) i connected to internet and installed this boot-repair tool
[08:56] <sumagna> yup
[08:56] <EriC^^> sumagna: also type "sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999"
[08:57] <karges10> ok i will
[08:57] <EriC^^> sumagna: also, type "ls /sys/firmware/efi" and report back if it shows dirs or says no file found
[08:57] <karges10> ok noting down all the steps
[08:57] <sumagna> https://termbin.com/mcke
[08:57] <sumagna> parted command^
[08:58] <EriC^^> sumagna: looks good
[08:58] <sumagna> efi contains file
[08:58] <EriC^^> ok, all good then
[08:58] <EriC^^> sumagna: press install ubuntu
[08:58] <sumagna> by the way, i dont have a powerful internet connection right now
[08:59] <EriC^^> sumagna: when it asks you about how to install, choose the last option at the bottom "Something else" that lets you partition manually
[08:59] <sumagna> so can i install the updates later?
[08:59] <EriC^^> sumagna: yeah
[08:59] <karges10> "sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999" -->  t6pj
[08:59] <sumagna> done
[09:00] <EriC^^> karges10: ok, type "sudo mount /dev/sda2 /mnt"
[09:00] <sumagna> now?
[09:00] <karges10> ls /sys/firmware/efi --o4y1
[09:01] <EriC^^> sumagna: create a 20gb in the ssd, (sda), and set the mountpoint to "/" and the filesystem type to "ext4"
[09:01] <sumagna> where will apt install the packages?
[09:02] <EriC^^> sumagna: in sda
[09:02] <karges10> ok, type "sudo mount /dev/sda2 /mnt" --> its saying vcant find in fstab
[09:02] <karges10> seems my hard disk is not detected in this live boot
[09:02] <sumagna> it will suffice in 20gb? without /home?
[09:02] <EriC^^> karges10: no it's detected fine, i think there might be a typo
[09:02] <EriC^^> usually if you dont give it a mountpoint it looks in fstab
[09:02] <sumagna> ??
[09:03] <EriC^^> sumagna: yeah 20gb for the root fs is good
[09:03] <EriC^^> sumagna: you'll add /home in a bit
[09:03] <sumagna> done
[09:03] <EriC^^> sumagna: ok, same for /home, create in sdb a 30gb partition mountpoint "/home" and filesystem type "ext4"
[09:03] <karges10> ok fdisk is not in sl60 termbin
[09:04] <karges10> now*
[09:04] <sumagna> done
[09:04] <karges10> you can see there my hard disk is not listed in fdisk
[09:04] <EriC^^> karges10: yup it sees it fine, try again "sudo mount /dev/sda2 /mnt"
[09:04] <EriC^^> karges10: it is, at the bottom
[09:04] <sumagna> device for bootloader installation?
[09:05] <EriC^^> sumagna: /dev/sda
[09:05] <karges10> at the bottom its sdb3
[09:05] <karges10> ?
[09:05] <sumagna> /dev/sda or /dev/sda5(root)
[09:05] <EriC^^> sumagna: you want to click on /dev/sda2 and make sure it's type is set to "EFI"
[09:05] <EriC^^> sumagna: plain /dev/sda
[09:05] <sumagna> it is set to efi
[09:05] <EriC^^> karges10: above a little
[09:05] <EriC^^> karges10: /dev/sda2  1050624 1953523711 1952473088  931G Linux filesystem
[09:06] <sumagna> now?
[09:07] <EriC^^> sumagna: press install now
[09:07] <karges10> i dunno whether i am trying right command i typped  /dev/sda2/mnt
[09:07] <EriC^^> karges10: there should be a space between /dev/sda2 and /mnt
[09:07] <karges10> oops1
[09:08] <karges10> done mounted
[09:08] <karges10> now hard disk at /mnt
[09:08] <karges10> :)
[09:08] <EriC^^> karges10: ok, type the following line
[09:08] <sumagna> now?
[09:08] <karges10> ok tell me
[09:08] <sumagna> after setting where are you and who are you?
[09:08] <sumagna> continue?
[09:09] <EriC^^> karges10: for i in /dev /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -R $i /mnt$i; done
[09:09] <EriC^^> sumagna: yeah
[09:10] <sumagna> its installing
[09:10]  * sumagna prays
[09:10]  * opa7331 joins in the prayer
[09:10] <sumagna> :)
[09:10] <karges10> ok doing
[09:11] <sumagna> do i need any additional drivers for AMD ryzen 5?
[09:11] <EriC^^> i dont think so
[09:12] <sumagna> it will tell me that when i start up Ubuntu i think
[09:12] <opa7331> sumagna probably not
[09:12] <sumagna> you also have amd?
[09:12] <karges10> ok executed
[09:12] <EriC^^> karges10: ok, it returned nothing right?
[09:12] <karges10> its completed
[09:12] <karges10> yes
[09:12] <karges10> returned nothing
[09:12] <EriC^^> karges10: ok, type "sudo chroot /mnt"
[09:13] <sumagna> should i press restart now?
[09:13] <EriC^^> sumagna: yeah
[09:13] <karges10> it went in  to some other promt
[09:13]  * sumagna is still praying for the best
[09:13] <karges10> i think root prompt
[09:13] <EriC^^> karges10: ok, good, type "mount -a"
[09:13] <karges10> done , returned nothing
[09:14] <sumagna> it is giving me the boot menu
[09:14] <EriC^^> karges10: ok, try "grub-install"
[09:14] <EriC^^> sumagna: great
[09:15] <karges10> installing for x86_64-efi platform. installtion finished no error reported
[09:15] <EriC^^> karges10: also "update-grub"
[09:15] <karges10> it ran i have few lines of out put..
[09:15] <karges10> it ended with done
[09:16] <EriC^^> karges10: ok, type "ls -lR /boot/efi | nc termbin.com 9999"
[09:16] <karges10> adding boot menu entry for ueft firmware settings
[09:16] <opa7331> sumagna yeah also have ryzen 3600
[09:16] <Dwarf> Trying to upgrade from bionic->focal, but after editing sources.list I get the following error upon apt update: http://dpaste.com/22VW90X
[09:16] <karges10> ls - is ir upper case i
[09:16] <sumagna> :)
[09:16] <Dwarf> I tried apt install --reinstall command-not-found but that did not fix the issue
[09:17] <EriC^^> karges10: nope ls -lR  small L then capital R
[09:17] <Dwarf> Full output here: http://dpaste.com/2XXYHHH
[09:17] <sumagna> ok gotta go
[09:18] <karges10> vttm
[09:18] <sumagna> btw cannot connect to a phones hotspot
[09:18] <sumagna> it is showing very low signal
[09:19] <opa7331> sumagna when will you be back?
[09:19] <sumagna> within half an hour
[09:19] <EriC^^> karges10: ok, type "mkdir -p /boot/efi/efi/microsoft/boot"
[09:19] <opa7331> maybe you can use usb instead of wlan AP
[09:19] <sumagna> i used usb tethering for now
[09:20] <sumagna> i have a wlan adapter
[09:20] <karges10> microsoft! am not dealing with mocrosoft ! all i did was upgrade from 19.10 to 20.4 and this issue came.. just saying this as reminder
[09:20] <karges10> if u want me to type this command still i will do but just said
[09:20] <EriC^^> karges10: yes i know, it's uefi related and hardware/manufacturer implementations
[09:20] <EriC^^> karges10: yeah, type it and no worries
[09:21] <sumagna> tplink wireless adapter
[09:21] <karges10> yeap
[09:21] <karges10> done
[09:21] <opa7331> i see
[09:21] <karges10> no output
[09:21] <jeremy31> sumagna:  USB?
[09:21] <EriC^^> karges10: ok, type "cp /boot/efi/efi/ubuntu/shimx64.efi /boot/efi/efi/microsoft/boot/bootmgfw.efi"
[09:21] <sumagna> yea
[09:22] <jeremy31> sumagna: post URL from terminal for> lsusb | nc termbin.com 9999
[09:22] <karges10> i think the destination path is not right
[09:23] <sumagna> i am going to post the url and go off
[09:23] <sumagna> i dont have much time
[09:23] <sumagna> ohrx
[09:23] <sumagna> termbin.com/ohrx
[09:23] <karges10> i created two efis as per ur prev command , in this cp destination there is only one
[09:24] <opa7331> gotta remember that command jeremy31 thats really great
[09:24] <EriC^^> karges10: try "ls -lR /boot/efi | nc termbin.com 9999" again
[09:25] <EriC^^> karges10: there's 2 efi in the destination, /boot/efi/efi/microsoft/boot
[09:25] <karges10> correct
[09:25] <karges10> thats what even i said
[09:25] <karges10> should i repeat the same cp with 2 EFI
[09:25] <karges10> ?
[09:25] <EriC^^> im confused, you said "in this cp destination there is only one"
[09:26] <karges10> my bad
[09:26] <karges10> pls wait
[09:26] <EriC^^> karges10: ok
[09:26] <karges10>  i will type again
[09:27] <EriC^^> the full destination is /boot/efi/efi/microsoft/boot/bootmgfw.efi
[09:28] <karges10> ook
[09:28] <karges10> done cp
[09:28] <karges10> no error
[09:28] <EriC^^> ok, finally "cp /boot/efi/efi/ubuntu/grubx64.efi /boot/efi/efi/microsoft/boot"
[09:30] <Dwarf> Found my issue
[09:30] <karges10> okdone
[09:30] <karges10> executed with out any error
[09:30] <EriC^^> karges10: ok, type "exit" then try restarting the pc
[09:31] <opa7331> Eric^^ im astound at your supportskills
[09:31] <karges10> ok this time also lenovo symbol oinly coming!
[09:32] <karges10> i am not sure whether this will boot
[09:32] <karges10> need to wait for conformation
[09:32] <karges10> so basiclaly we tried to res install the grub and replaced the firm ware files
[09:33] <EriC^^> karges10: yeah we reinstalled grub, and also did a uefi workaround in case the bios only wants to boot the microsoft one
[09:33] <karges10> i still did not get the MS concept. i understand MS is something to do with lenovo hard ware
[09:33] <karges10> unfortunately its still the same :(
[09:33] <karges10> its not booting
[09:33] <karges10> am feeling why i upgraded
[09:33] <EriC^^> karges10: no worries we'll get it working
[09:34] <karges10> it could have been 19.10
[09:34] <EriC^^> karges10: go into the bios for a sec, and see if uefi is enabled and csm legacy disabled
[09:34] <karges10> full hopes on u and  this grouo__/\__
[09:34] <xMaverick> For some reason the installer created an efi partition even though my laptop uses bios not uefi. There are no issues but it is indeed strange
[09:34] <EriC^^> xMaverick: the live usb was probably booted in uefi mode
[09:35] <xMaverick> There are different modes to boot a usb?
[09:35] <EriC^^> xMaverick: yeah
[09:35] <vitalio> Hello, Is it ok for Activities (when I click on Activities in Gnome shell) not to show not installed suggestions on 20.04 ? I've upgraded from 19.10 and when typein irc Polari is not suggested anymore
[09:35] <vitalio> neither vinagre for Remote desktop
[09:36] <xMaverick> Well how can I boot it in uefi mode if I don't even support uefi
[09:36] <xMaverick> I'll search more about it
[09:37] <EriC^^> xMaverick: most pc's after 2004 or something all support uefi
[09:38] <karges10> not sure what am checking is coorect under bios -> security
[09:38] <karges10> windows UEFI firmware update is enabled
[09:38] <xMaverick> yeah I'll check if I have secure boot or something when I go into bios options next time I reboot. Last time I checked, this doesn't. Will investigate thanks
[09:38] <EriC^^> karges10: hmm, is there anything under boot options?
[09:39] <EriC^^> karges10: something about secureboot, or csm legacy or uefi?
[09:39] <lnkcmplxct> how do i compile the current version of the emacs from source on an ubuntu, is there a tutorial or guide you know of?
[09:39] <EriC^^> xMaverick: when the live usb boots, you can try "ls /sys/firmware/efi" if it returns dirs then uefi mode was used for booting
[09:40] <karges10> when i go under secure boot
[09:40] <karges10> ok the side information text is saying some information
[09:40] <karges10> UEFI only
[09:40] <EriC^^> xMaverick: or on you're current ubuntu you can run it too to see if it was used for booting
[09:40] <karges10> CSM support is no
[09:40] <EriC^^> karges10: ok, that's good, try to disable secureboot if it's enabled
[09:41] <karges10> secure boot disabled
[09:41] <xMaverick> Ah yes good advice Eric. I did remember reading about that command in Arch wiki I think
[09:41] <karges10> i  am having virtual macine inside i remember i disabled it long time ago
[09:41] <EriC^^> karges10: aha i see
[09:41] <EriC^^> karges10: ok, try to restart the pc, then press F12 or Fn+F12
[09:41] <karges10> i just conformed secure boot is [Disabled]
[09:42] <EriC^^> hopefully it will give some kind of boot menu
[09:42] <xMaverick> yeah there are no directories. this is bios mode. Will check again when I boot into live thanks
[09:42] <karges10> i am in the boot menu only !
[09:42] <EriC^^> xMaverick: odd then indeed
[09:42] <karges10> from there only am saying all these settings!
[09:42] <xMaverick> Yeah very odd. I'll have to search more about it
[09:42] <EriC^^> karges10: yeah i know, i meant a run-time boot menu
[09:43] <EriC^^> where you can select what to boot once
[09:43] <karges10> ok u want me to go in to the boot order
[09:43] <EriC^^> karges10: aha actually yeah does it give a uefi boot order?
[09:44] <karges10> yea
[09:44] <karges10> 1.ubuntu
[09:44] <karges10> 2.HDD
[09:44] <karges10> 3fedora (long time before i delted it i duno why its still there)
[09:44] <karges10> 4CD
[09:44] <karges10> 5 USB
[09:44] <karges10> 10 PCI LAN
[09:45] <xMaverick> Ah well it seems there is an answer https://askubuntu.com/questions/1122650/no-efi-system-partition-was-found-but-i-dont-have-a-uefi-and-the-installer-is-i
[09:45] <xMaverick> It boots into uefi mode while installing even if you don't even support it
[09:46] <EriC^^> karges10: aha that looks good
[09:46] <karges10> ok what to do now
[09:46] <EriC^^> karges10: ok, try to restart
[09:46] <EriC^^> karges10: press f12 or fn+f12
[09:46] <EriC^^> see what menu you get
[09:46] <karges10> grub menu
[09:46] <karges10> *ubuntu
[09:47] <karges10> advanced options
[09:47] <karges10> and bunch of options starting with EFI
[09:47] <EriC^^> xMaverick: aha interesting
[09:48] <xMaverick> yeah I'll reinstall it without uefi mode
[09:48] <EriC^^> karges10: ok, try pressing on ubuntu
[09:48] <EriC^^> karges10: this is some bios menu right, not the grub menu?
[09:48] <karges10> thats what by default also it takes and noithing happens
[09:48] <karges10> nooo
[09:49] <karges10> if you want to go to bios menu i will
[09:49] <EriC^^> wait a second, is this the grub menu?
[09:49] <karges10> i was there only previously
[09:49] <karges10> yes its grub
[09:49] <EriC^^> karges10: ohh
[09:49] <EriC^^> then this isn't a booting problem at all
[09:49] <Raikoss> Hi! I just upgraded (not freshly installed, rookie mistake) from 18.04 LTS to 20.04 LTS. It was mostly painless, though now I don't have the default gnome settings installed. After running `sudo apt install gnome-control-center` to install it again, I get an error message: https://pastebin.com/NGaCYNr9. Any help at all is greatly appreciated!
[09:49] <EriC^^> karges10: i mean it's not a bootloader problem
[09:50] <VinPop> I installed Kubuntu on a seperate drive other than windows
[09:50] <Raikoss> Oops, there's an added dot at the end of that pastebin link
[09:50] <VinPop> so i was going to use windows and it showed me an error with GRUB
[09:51] <Prolac> hi, when I login to my server through SSH using keys why does it still asks me for password when using sudo commands? Shouldn't my private key be used instead?
[09:51] <VinPop> it opened up GRUB rescue and said the filesystem was unknown
[09:51] <VinPop> how can i fix this?
[09:52] <EriC^^> karges10: hmm, did you try to boot a different kernel? go to advanced options then choose one there
[09:52] <karges10> i tried
[09:52] <karges10> once
[09:52] <karges10> i will try again
[09:53] <EriC^^> Prolac: your private key is just for the login part, the rest depends on how the user is set up with "sudo"
[09:53] <karges10> ubuntu with linux 5.3.0-45 generic
[09:54] <xMaverick> yeah not gonna bother reinstalling ubuntu
[09:54] <xMaverick> efi partition is doing nothing
[09:54] <xMaverick> And i don't think deleting things from the live usb is a good idea
[09:54] <EriC^^> xMaverick: you could probably just remove the entry from fstab, and make sure that grub-pc is installed and no related grub-efi packages
[09:55] <karges10> ok i wil  tell u , i tried to choose another option in th advance menu
[09:55] <lag> Does anyone have any idea where I can ask about sysdaemon?
[09:55] <xMaverick> Okay how do I do that
[09:55] <karges10> nothing works
[09:55] <karges10> all i see is a mouse pointer for few seconds
[09:55] <karges10> no log in menu nothing
[09:55] <EriC^^> xMaverick: well, list the packages with "dpkg -l | grep grub" to see which are installed
[09:56] <karges10> i can move the mouse pointer in the black screen thats all
[09:56] <EriC^^> VinPop: can you boot a live usb?
[09:56] <EriC^^> to troubleshoot and see
[09:56] <xMaverick> Yeah grub-pc is installed grub-efi is not installed
[09:56] <lag> Sorry *syndaemon
[09:56] <EriC^^> xMaverick: ok, type "sudo nano /etc/fstab" if there's an entry with /boot/efi as the mountpoint, then add a "#" at the start of the line to comment it out
[09:56] <karges10> EriC^^ any idea
[09:56] <karges10> ?
[09:57] <EriC^^> karges10: hmm try to boot the fail safe one to see if its a graphics driver issue
[09:58] <karges10> how come its a graphic issue
[09:58] <EriC^^> karges10: advanced > some kernel with recovery options > then choose to continue in fail safe mode
[09:58] <karges10> its a boot issue rite
[09:58] <xMaverick> Ah ok got it thanks
[09:59] <EriC^^> karges10: yes it's an os boot issue really, could be graphics, bad kernel, etc
[09:59] <EriC^^> it's not a bootloader/grub problem
[09:59] <karges10> ok itried advancved option -> recover mode
[10:00] <EriC^^> xMaverick: no problem
[10:00] <karges10> after showing a list its not doing anything
[10:00] <VinPop> EriC^^ yeah i can
[10:00] <VinPop> but what should i do
[10:00] <VinPop> check if the windows partition is alright?
[10:00] <VinPop> because i already did that
[10:00] <VinPop> it's active and healthy
[10:00] <VinPop> GRUB won't let me access it though
[10:00] <VinPop> because of "unknown filesystem"
[10:00] <EriC^^> VinPop: yeah, boot it, get an internet connection on it and type "sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999" and paste the link here
[10:01] <EriC^^> VinPop: is windows encrypted or so?
[10:01] <VinPop> nope
[10:01] <EriC^^> karges10: ok in the list choose continue/fail safe
[10:01] <JoeMerit> guys is ubuntu 20.04 the KING of operating systems ?
[10:02] <VinPop> um
[10:02] <VinPop> it depends on what you want
[10:02] <VinPop> Linux systems depend on how much work you wanna put in them and what it stands for
[10:02] <VinPop> so idk
[10:02] <karges10> there no continue/fail safe EriC^^
[10:02] <EriC^^> karges10: whats the first option in the list
[10:02] <karges10> there are 6 options under adavanced
[10:03] <EriC^^> karges10: oh, choose the latest kernel but with recovery mode
[10:03] <karges10> 5.4 gneric 5.4 generic recovery
[10:03] <karges10> same as 5.3
[10:03] <karges10> thats all
[10:03] <karges10> yes
[10:03] <karges10> that recovery mode only did no help
[10:03] <EriC^^> ok try 5.4 recovery
[10:03] <karges10> trying
[10:04] <Raikoss> Hi! I just upgraded (not freshly installed, rookie mistake) from 18.04 LTS to 20.04 LTS. It was mostly painless, though now I don't have the default gnome settings installed. After running `sudo apt install gnome-control-center` to install it again, I get an error message: https://pastebin.com/NGaCYNr9 Any help at all is greatly appreciated!
[10:04] <karges10> again same thing , its displaying lot of things in terminal like  a list very fastly
[10:04] <karges10> and then does nothing
[10:05] <EriC^^> karges10: odd, what about the 5.3 recovery?
[10:05] <karges10> thats what i did some time before
[10:05] <EriC^^> !info linux-image-generic focal
[10:05] <karges10> its the  same
[10:05] <karges10> fastly displaying results and then did nothing
[10:06] <karges10> i think i need to reinstall the OS
[10:06] <karges10> thats the only option i guess
[10:06] <EriC^^> karges10: this is right after you press recovery kernel right? so not even recovery menu is showing?
[10:06] <karges10> i press addevanced -> 6 options -> i choose recovery option _> fastly listing something on monitor
[10:06] <karges10> and then doing nothing
[10:07] <EriC^^> karges10: honestly i would fresh install if you can, i dont like updating but thats just me
[10:07] <EriC^^> aha
[10:07] <karges10> i have lots of data
[10:07] <karges10> i think after live boot i need to mound hard disk
[10:07] <karges10> back up the data in external drive then install!
[10:07] <EriC^^> karges10: data in your home dir or like program data and configurations and stuff?
[10:07] <EriC^^> karges10: yeah probably best
[10:08] <karges10> downloaded files games etc., vm files ISO
[10:08] <karges10> ok
[10:08] <EriC^^> karges10: firstly try the 'try ubuntu' option and see how it runs and stuff
[10:08] <karges10> it runs fine
[10:08] <EriC^^> ok good
[10:08] <karges10> but how can i invoke the installed softwares via this try option
[10:09] <karges10> even if i mount hardisk
[10:09] <xMaverick> Forgive me for asking but is upgrading Ubuntu from one LTS version to another a bad idea or is clean install simply better
[10:09] <EriC^^> xMaverick: clean install is better
[10:09] <EriC^^> imho
[10:09] <xMaverick> Hmm I see
[10:09] <EriC^^> karges10: what do you mean?
[10:10] <EriC^^> karges10: you mean how to install after using try ubuntu?
[10:10] <karges10> i installed some softwares like vm player everything in old jard disk
[10:10] <karges10> hard disk
[10:10] <karges10> when i mount my hard disk
[10:10] <karges10> how will i invoke it
[10:10] <swe442> is it possible to do a clean install of ubuntu without a usb key?
[10:11] <swe442> I am running 18.04
[10:11] <EriC^^> it depends on how you installed them first time karges10
[10:11] <karges10> means
[10:11] <karges10> how i instaleld?
[10:11] <karges10> installed as  root
[10:12] <EriC^^> karges10: you'd have to reinstall them i guess
[10:12] <karges10> ok
[10:12] <EriC^^> swe442: you could boot the iso from grub, or alternatively use a vm + a raw disk image file to access the physical hdd
[10:13] <swe442> EriC^^ so it is possible?  sorry, I'm very new at this and kind of scared to wreck my system
[10:14] <EriC^^> swe442: yeah it's possible, but honestly a live usb is invaluable for troubleshooting problems if they happen, so i'd walk cautiously you know
[10:14] <EriC^^> probably better to get some usb
[10:14] <EriC^^> or at least a usb with a live linux that can be used to troubleshoot and stuff
[10:17] <karges10> ok i try to mount the hard disk its sdb1
[10:17] <karges10> this time its not mounting
[10:17] <karges10> ntfs volume its already mounted
[10:17] <karges10> thats what it is showing
[10:18] <EriC^^> karges10: it might be mounted in /media/<user>
[10:18] <EriC^^> if you run "mount | grep sdb1" in a terminal it should show where
[10:20] <Markus57> Hey guzs,
[10:20] <phinxy> Is the fingerprint reading in Ubuntu 20 made so it is possible to have a keychain to log on to remote ssh sessions by scanning fingerprint instead of typing the (saved) password?
[10:21] <Markus57> has anyone else experienced issues with UBUNTU 20.04 that zou cant have a keyborad plugged in when booting up?
[10:21] <karges10> its sda2
[10:21] <karges10> done
[10:24] <karges10> thanks for ur help
[10:24] <karges10> leaving
[10:24] <karges10> bye
[10:25] <swe442> EriC^^ Okay, so can I download the iso?  My system is already dual booting with windows
[10:26] <Markus57> has anyone else experienced issues with UBUNTU 20.04 that zou cant have a keyborad plugged in when booting up?
[10:26] <neoweb> ubuntu 18.04.3 not sockstat is not showing unix domain sockets
[10:30] <malte1> Hi, I have network troubles since upgrading from 19.04 to 20.04. Is there someone willing to help me a bit?
[10:31] <swe442> EriC^^ OKay, I have the ISO, would you happen to know how I would proceed to install?
[10:32] <Markus57> swe442 do u have it installed on a usb? so that it is a boot usb?
[10:32] <swe442> Markus57 I'm trying ot install it without a usb
[10:32] <swe442> I'm reading about UNetbootin?
[10:32] <Markus57> ah i see
[10:33] <xMaverick> You have to use an USB or a DVD or some form of boot media
[10:34] <xMaverick> Unetbootin is just another iso writer with an extra feature that it can download the isos of popular for you if you wish
[10:34] <swe442> wait, am I UEFI or BIOS?
[10:34] <Markus57> swe442 https://www.ostechnix.com/how-to-create-bootable-usb-drive-using-dd-command/
[10:34] <xMaverick> ^ Best one
[10:34] <xMaverick> dd
[10:34] <swe442> I'm goign by this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/484434/install-ubuntu-without-cd-and-usb-how
[10:34] <RoseBus> hello, I'm following these instructions to adjust screen brightness: https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/display-brightness.html.en
[10:34] <RoseBus> however there is no slider in that menu
[10:34] <Markus57> as xMaverick said best to use DD to make the usb key. check my link
[10:35] <xMaverick> Yeah screen brightness issues are mostly driver issues
[10:36] <xMaverick> My brightness doesn't work as well but I don't mind however it used to work on Arch after installing a few drivers
[10:37] <Raikoss> Has anyone else lost their settings icon and app after upgrading?
[10:37] <RoseBus> when it's dark / dim in the room I like to turn down the brightness to avoid eye strain
[10:37] <xMaverick> For my PC, I installed xf86-video-intel driver and that works. Everyone's hardware is different
[10:37] <Markus57> RoseBus try using the nightlight mode :)
[10:37] <malte1> Since upgrading to 20.04, I have intermittent connection failures, i.e. I do a search on google and it is very fast and then the second search takes ages or even times out. Ping seems to work normal, tracepath sees "No response" after a few hops. It's no issue with my local lan since other machines work fine.
[10:38] <viju> I am getting some kind of partial upgrade issue while running software updater. When I run it either stalls (shows a blank dialog box) or shows an error - Could not calculate the upgrade this was likely caused by the unofficial software packages not supported by ubuntu please use the ppa-purge tool from ppa package to remove software....
[10:38] <xMaverick> This does seem outdated but apparently this was the solution to a brightness issue on 16.04 https://askubuntu.com/questions/802304/help-no-brightness-slider-in-the-settings-ubuntu-16-04-desktop-with-nvidia-gtx
[10:38] <swe442> @markus57 I appreciate the help,b ut I don't have a USB drive
[10:38] <viju> At the end it says - it most likely is a transient problem. Please try again later.
[10:39] <Markus57> Can anyone help me with my issue. Since i have swapped to 20.04 i cant boot my Laptop with my keyboard attached. i have to unplug it everytime and then i can boot. :/
[10:39] <viju> Could anybody help me get this resolved so that I can move on to installing 20.04
[10:40] <sumagna> i am back
[10:40] <sumagna> so any help with the wifi connectivity?
[10:41] <sumagna> it is connected but it is not getting very powerful even when its <1m apart
[10:41] <xMaverick> Is the wifi speed fast?
[10:41] <Markus57> sumagna what are u refering to?
[10:41] <SWE442> I'm going to try this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1228545/the-easiest-way-to-install-second-ubuntu-alongside-without-using-cd-usb
[10:42] <SWE442> hope it works
[10:42] <sumagna> naah
[10:42] <xMaverick> It's probably a driver issue
[10:42] <xMaverick> Use lspci
[10:43] <xMaverick> And then search online for the driver to be installed for your wifi module model
[10:43] <xMaverick> Then run lsmod and see if that driver has been loaded
[10:45] <vitalio> guys, if under 20.04 in activities you enter irc does it suggests polari ?
[10:46] <vitalio> if you use gnome shell of course
[10:46] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[10:46] <sumagna> done lspci
[10:47] <sumagna> what then huh?
[10:47] <xMaverick> ok look for wifi
[10:47] <xMaverick> There should be a wifi module listed somewhere
[10:47] <xMaverick> Depends on the model, qualcomm, broadcom are common
[10:48] <xMaverick> Maybe it's listed under "Network Controller"
[10:48] <coconut> vitalio: what is your question?
[10:49] <vitalio> coconut, if you check in Activities  and in the search text box you type "irc" does Polari appears as a suggestion ?
[10:49] <vitalio> i think it was under 19.10 but not under 20.04
[10:49] <sumagna> it sometime gets full network and sometime get nearly none
[10:49] <vitalio> the same for vinagre
[10:49] <vitalio> if i type "remote" when searching for activity Remmina appears but not vinagre
[10:50] <coconut> vitalio: so you think it should show more choices available?
[10:51] <RoseBus> would systemctl start default.target be equivelant to systemctl start graphical.target?
[10:51] <xMaverick> sumagna: What does it say under lspci for wifi
[10:51] <vitalio> coconut, well I think 19.10 was doing so
[10:52] <sumagna> btw it is a usb wifi adapter
[10:52] <vitalio> Just a bit confused
[10:52] <xMaverick> Should have told me that earlier lol
[10:52] <xMaverick> What's the model name
[10:52] <coconut> vitalio: yeah well i cannot really answer you... i have not used gnome for years (i use mate or xfce)
[10:53] <malte1> anyone for my connection issue?
[10:54] <Seveas> malte1: leave `mtr google.com` running for a while while you browse, it may point out where the problem is
[10:55] <sumagna> xMaverick: http://termbin.com/ohrx this is the information i get from lsusb
[10:55] <malte1> Seveas: thanks, I've tried that. if I enter spiegel.de, for example, there is one hop with 100% loss
[10:55] <Seveas> only while browsing, or really all the time?
[10:56] <malte1> currently all the time
[10:56] <Seveas> 100% packet loss all the time just means that host is blocking pings, if hosts after it respond normally, I'd ignore that
[10:56] <malte1> ok that seems to be the case
[10:57] <RoseBus> spiegel.de responds to my pings
[10:57] <RoseBus> xD
[10:57] <malte1> yeah it's one of the hops in between
[10:57] <RoseBus> oh makes sense
[10:57] <RoseBus> guys i just wanna share ubuntu 20.04 feels incredibly smooth & fast
[10:58] <RoseBus> what a time to be alive
[10:58] <xMaverick> sumagna: I'm no expert but maybe you should try this https://askubuntu.com/questions/1037824/tp-link-tl-wn823n-v2-does-not-work-with-rtl8192eu-driver-on-ubuntu-16-04
[10:58] <JimBuntu> sumagna: Have you verified the USB WiFI NIC works well with any other OS/Distro/computer?
[10:59] <sumagna> it works with windows at least
[10:59] <JimBuntu> sumagna: right, but does it work any different and ignoring the signal display... do you have reason to suspect it's actually not working well aside from that?
[11:00] <sumagna> it just get powerful sometimes and sometime it doesnt work that well
[11:00] <malte1> so I just tried in Firefox with dev tools on, after opening Google, which went really fast, the next GET took 16s of waiting
[11:00] <JimBuntu> sumagna: Do you happen to have a USB extension you can use? Have you removed and reconnected the antenna ( if it has that kind ) ?
[11:00] <sumagna> even when the phone whose hotspot i am using is next to the computer
[11:00] <zvrk> sumagna: you using usb hub to connect mouse, keyb. and dongle
[11:01] <sumagna> nope
[11:01] <sumagna> straight in the back of the cpu
[11:01] <JimBuntu> sumagna: doesn't resolve the issue exactly... but is there a reason you are connected via wifi to a phone that close? Wouldn't you be better to USB Tether?
[11:01] <PowerTower_120> Anyone an idea, why I cannot activate the dark mode? Or any color mode? I click, nothing happens at all. Even in syslogs no entry...
[11:02] <sumagna> i am getting help from you guys through the laptop using the same net which is being used on the desktop
[11:03] <JimBuntu> sumagna: and no clues in dmesg?
[11:03] <sumagna> what should i look for
[11:05] <JimBuntu> any messages related to the wifi dongle is about all I could say as I'm not sure what kind of output to expect related to signal strength going up and down.
[11:09] <JimBuntu> I see other people complaining about the drivers online and some use alternative drivers, but they are complaining about weak signal strength all of the time, not coming and going
[11:12] <sumagna> btw its in 20.04
[11:13] <vitalio> anyone with gnome and 20.04 here, guys ? to test if polari appears in suggestions when searching for Activity in Activities ?
[11:23] <CrazySam> Increase keypress repetition speed?
[11:23] <CrazySam> Ubuntu 20.04
[11:24] <CrazySam> Found it.
[11:25] <zamba> i'm using yamale to validate a configuration file (in yaml) against a schema.. but i have a bit of a chicken and egg problem.. because i need to specify where this schema file is.. how would you go about doing that?
[11:25] <zamba> the script is run with the configuration file as the first and only parameter
[11:26] <zamba> and for now i have just hardcoded the schema to be in the pwd of the script itself.. so to run the script from cron i have to first change to the directory of the script and then run it
[11:26] <zamba> feels a bit backwards
[11:27] <whitekidney> Question, will the do-release-upgrade -d command give me the latest development release of 20.04 ?
[11:29] <lotuspsychje> whitekidney: wich ubuntu version are you on?
[11:29] <whitekidney> lotuspsychje: 19.10
[11:29] <swe442> I'm having trouble installing 20.04
[11:29] <swe442> it is frozen on "detecting file systems..."
[11:29] <lotuspsychje> whitekidney: 20.04 is not in development anymore, its released final
[11:30] <lotuspsychje> !upgrade | whitekidney
[11:30] <whitekidney> lotuspsychje: Yeah, but it's not yet available as a upgrade option. I
[11:30] <whitekidney> I'm curious as to which development build I will be installing when using the -d flag.
[11:31] <lotuspsychje> !20.04 | whitekidney check the methods here
[11:33] <whitekidney> lotuspsychje: None of these answer my question. I am well aware on how to upgrade. However I am unsure if I will be receiving the latest development release or some older snapshot.
[11:34] <dwaltz> whitekidney: I understand 20.04.1 will be the 20.04 LTS
[11:34] <lotuspsychje> whitekidney: from 19.10 there's only one way up, towards 20.04
[11:35] <lotuspsychje> and as 20.04 is final released, thats the version you will goto
[11:35] <whitekidney> I clearly need to rephrase my question. Will I be getting the *newest* available version of 20.04 when upgrading to the development release using the -d flag, or will it be some older snapshot?
[11:36] <lotuspsychje> whitekidney: there is no older snapshot anymore or a development version
[11:36] <dwaltz> whitekidney: I jsut upgraded and os-release reports VERSION="20.04 LTS (Focal Fossa)" PRETTY_NAME="Ubuntu 20.04 LTS" VERSION_ID="20.04"
[11:37] <lotuspsychje> whitekidney: read the releasenotes
[11:37] <swe442> how do I cancel ubuntu installation?
[11:37] <swe442> ctrl-c doesn' twork
[11:42] <dwaltz> whitekidney: you get all the software available o the "focal-updates" channel, and you can continue to update if anything new is published. The content is the same of the iso you can already download
[11:44] <dwaltz> whitekidney: do-release-upgrade without -d does not start becasue this https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release page was not updated yet
[11:45] <whitekidney> dwaltz: I am aware. It'll likely take them a few days
[11:49] <CrazySam> Can I upgrade 18.04 to 19.10 or do I go to 20.04?
[11:50] <lotuspsychje> !ltsupgrade | CrazySam
[11:52] <CrazySam> So 18.04 LTS to 19.10 non-LTS is not a valid upgrade path?
[11:53] <CrazySam> The command above will enable upgrade of 18.04 LTS to 20.04 LTS?
[11:53] <lotuspsychje> CrazySam: no, its or LTS upgrade or upgrade to the next version, 18.04==>18.10 (wich is EOL)
[11:54] <lotuspsychje> and jumping to an eol version will get you in trouble
[11:54] <tatertots> it's not July yet
[11:54] <tatertots> use what you have for a little longer
[11:54] <CrazySam> I am not in a hurry, just curious how the upgrade path goes.
[11:55] <lotuspsychje> its the user to decide that tatertots
[11:55] <ioria> CrazySam, it is valid if you change /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades from LTS to normal
[11:56] <CrazySam> If I change from LTS to non-LTS then I can jump from 18.04 to 19.10?
[11:57] <ioria> CrazySam, yes,  you get eoan
[12:07] <qwerty2> hello
[12:07] <qwerty2> anybody out here?
[12:09] <EriC^^> !ask | qwerty2
[12:12] <qwerty2> okay okay. every xorg session i get into, everything just freezes. mouse, keyboard, cant even get to another tty
[12:13] <qwerty2> wayland works fine. only problem with xorg. here's a screenshot of my logs: https://postimg.cc/t7TQ6P3X
[12:15] <ioria> qwerty2, try to boot a previous kernel
[12:18] <qwerty2> tried that in the past. didnt help. I have 2 GPUs. one intel and one nvidia. something there just breaks
[12:18] <qwerty2> 20-intel.conf configurations didnt seem to change much
[12:24] <ioria> qwerty2, boot with nomodeset
[12:25] <le_gremz> Hello everyone. I have a probleme with ubuntu. When i display something dark the bightness seems to reduce automaticly, if i switch to something white the brightness slowly come back to normal. How to disable this behavior please ? (I have dual-boot with windows 10 and it doesn't happen on windows)
[12:25] <qwerty2> ioria how do i do that?
[12:26] <qwerty2> sorry if this is a stupid question
[12:26] <ioria> qwerty2, https://www.dell.com/support/article/it/it/itbsdt1/sln306327/manual-nomodeset-kernal-boot-line-option-for-linux-booting?lang=en
[12:26] <demonspork> le_gremz: try this https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/power-autobrightness.html.en
[12:26] <EriC^^> qwerty2: grub > advanced options > recovery kernel > continue with failsafe graphics
[12:28] <le_gremz> demonspork, already disable and seems related to inactivity. For me i work with black theme ide, and the lack of bightness is really painfull for the eyes.
[12:29] <qwerty2> eric should i do that with nomodset or without?
[12:29] <ioria> qwerty2, one or the other
[12:42] <gst568923> Hi, I would like to upgrade from xubuntu 19.10 to 20.04 by GUI update-manager, but no new notification is shown to me. I have tried to setting "Notify for any version" and "Notify for LTS version"
[12:52] <Ben64> gst568923: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseNotes#Upgrading_from_Ubuntu_18.04_LTS_or_19.10
[12:54] <RoseBus> window animations are amazing
[12:55] <RoseBus> it feels very 'maccy'
[12:56] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | RoseBus
[12:56] <RoseBus> srry
[12:56] <aLeSD> congrats for 20.04
[12:57] <qwerty2> ioria and eric. nomodset didnt help and my grub is messed up
[12:58] <qwerty2> https://postimg.cc/G9V9JjHb https://postimg.cc/9RXcCD08 and getting in recovety mode leads my to non responding black screen with one hyphen
[13:03] <aLeSD> how could I install the gnome-shell-extensions ?
[13:03] <aLeSD> in 20.04
[13:05] <aLeSD> and do 20.04 use wayland for default? everything is very smooth
[13:05] <lotuspsychje> no
[13:05] <lotuspsychje> still xorg by default
[13:12] <CrazySam> When I run "sudo apt update" I get a message saying "221 packages can be upgraded." I'm confused. What does "update" vs. "upgrade" mean?
[13:14] <plut0> update downloads package information. upgrade installs the upgraded packages.
[13:15] <CrazySam> So it "updates" the package info?
[13:16] <lotuspsychje> !uptodate | CrazySam
[13:16] <CrazySam> But a package version 1.3 is "upgrade" to 1.4?
[13:17] <EriC^^> CrazySam: yeah
[13:17] <EriC^^> apt update just refreshes the cache of available packages/database
[13:17] <CrazySam> OK
[13:18] <CrazySam> So patches, mini and major version changes are all "upgrades"?
[13:18] <EriC^^> yeah
[13:18] <cgipython> has anyone installed 20.04 on lenovo thinkpad carbon x1?
[13:18] <lotuspsychje> cgipython: best to ask your specific issue to the channel
[13:19] <CrazySam> Fair enough. I guess I'm stuck in old thinking that major to major is an upgrade and minor to minor is an update.
[13:19] <CrazySam> So how can upgrade then only the dnsutils?
[13:20] <ducasse> CrazySam: apt install dnsutils will upgrade to or install latest
[13:21] <cgipython> where is the latest 20.04lts iso and instructions to burn it on a usb drive?
[13:21] <lotuspsychje> !download | cgipython
[13:21] <lotuspsychje> !usb | cgipython
[13:21] <CrazySam> ducasse: is this the same as apt-get --only-upgrade install dnsutils ?
[13:22] <ducasse> basically
[13:25] <kenperkins> ok, need some inputs on setting up a server, from a partitioning standpoint
[13:26] <kenperkins> currently have 50% /, 50% /home, but I feel like there's probably a better approach, for example, key configuration data for services, should that be on a different mount? (dhcpd, bind)
[13:26] <takov751> hello there i am seeking help with android-studio kvm emulation on 20.04 :)
[13:27] <takov751> I was just playing with the idea to find out if there is any bug with these packages
[13:29] <cgipython> is liveusb the easiest way to write iso to the usb drive for install?
[13:30] <oerheks> cgipython, yes
[13:30] <cgipython> liveusb is not available using apt install
[13:30] <oerheks> ..?
[13:31] <CrazySam> Is dnsutils 9.11.3 the latest version? Or is it latest version on my 18.04 Ubuntu? How can I know this?
[13:31] <oerheks> CrazySam, check out launchpad
[13:31] <cgipython> oerheks, how do i get liveusb on my ubuntu 18.04 ? i tried apt install usb-creator/liveusb
[13:32] <oerheks> cgipython, it is already installed on your ubuntu
[13:32] <cgipython> oerheks, how do i invoke it from command line?
[13:32] <oerheks> and lieusb is not a package, the install iso gives a live session too
[13:33] <oerheks> huh?
[13:33] <cgipython> oerheks, how do i write the downloaded iso to my usb drive?
[13:33] <oerheks> see the url lotuspsychje gave you?
[13:33] <oerheks> download iso, use the tool
[13:33] <CrazySam> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bind9
[13:34] <CrazySam> oerheks: this?
[13:34] <cgipython> oerheks, cool - startup disk creator then
[13:34] <cgipython> thanks
[13:34] <lotuspsychje> kenperkins: try #ubuntu-server
[13:34] <oerheks> CrazySam, yes, that is the page
[13:34] <kenperkins> ah, ty lotuspsychje
[13:35] <cgipython> does my md5sum look good - > ea28c4fd933be55f9f01a5fa9e868490 - desktop 20.04 amd64
[13:36] <CrazySam> oerheks: 9.16.1 is latest dnsutils for Focal Fossa but 9.11.3 is the latest for Bionic Beaver?
[13:37] <CrazySam> So then it's not the latest latest, but latest for my 18.04 Ubuntu.
[13:37] <oerheks> CrazySam, yes, but do not get confused by the numbers, bind9 1:9.11.3+dfsg-1ubuntu1.11 got fixes backported
[13:37] <h00k> So, I'm on a 2015 macbook pro, and I've got  BCM43602 802.11ac [14e4:43ba], using the brcmfmac, pretty sure. I am able to connect to open wireless, but not WPA2 (which is my problem). Yes my wireless key is correct. I also don't see 43ba listed here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[13:37] <oerheks> hence the long number
[13:39] <tpham> I did a fresh install ubuntu 20.04 to my laptop (Thinkpad X1 Extreme gen 2) but the it can not detect external monitor. Seem like the package nvidia-prime does not work as expected. Does anyone have same problem?
[13:39] <lotuspsychje> cgipython: 20.04 has now built-in integrity checker
[13:39] <oerheks> h00k, maybe this answer is your fix for BCM43602 too .. https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/573064/wifi-being-very-slow-not-working-for-linux-on-mac-why-wont-it-connect
[13:39] <oerheks> newer firmware
[13:40] <CrazySam> oerheks: does that mean that 9.11.3 has all the same fixes as 9.16.1?
[13:40] <cgipython> lotuspsychje, nice, thanks
[13:40] <h00k> oerheks: ah, let me give it a shot. Thanks.
[13:40] <CrazySam> So I am not missing out on anything?
[13:40] <oerheks> h00k, are you on RT kernel?
[13:40] <oerheks> CrazySam, yes, correct
[13:40] <lotuspsychje> oerheks h00k there's also a known bug about Broadcom on the 20.04 releasenotes
[13:41] <h00k> lotuspsychje: I didn't even check.
[13:42] <lotuspsychje> h00k: its for the installer though
[13:42] <h00k> oerheks: not that I know of. Just real stock. Installed yesterday ;)
[13:42] <h00k> lotuspsychje: yeah, it also exists on the installer, as well as post-install.
[13:42] <lotuspsychje> h00k: bug #1867465
[13:43] <CrazySam> What is the meaning of "dnsutils: Transitional package for bind9-dnsutils" ?
[13:46] <qwerty2> anyone has an idea about the freezing xorg?
[13:48] <YeOldHinnerk> hi. I have a server with ubuntu 18.04 in my lan, no access from outside (will allow later on access via vpn, but not ready yet). Now I wonder on how to go best about adding ssl to my apache2 server. any recommendations?
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> YeOldHinnerk: you could consider #ubuntu-server if you like
[13:48] <YeOldHinnerk> essentially, I need this for nextcloud, which i already installed.
[13:48] <YeOldHinnerk> ok
[13:53] <h00k> oerheks: unfortunately, that didn't do er
[13:53] <h00k> lemme try one more reboot
[13:54] <WanderingWizardP> Hello there .o. I have this strange issue... I am on Ubuntu 20.04, whenever I start torrenting with transmission my system experience short freezes from time to time and my network and bluetooth cuts out for a couple of seconds. Has anyone else experienced something like this?
[13:55] <Seveas> WanderingWizardP: anything useful in dmesg or the journal for those blips?
[13:59] <WanderingWizardP> Seveas: Need to reproduce the issue, will report back.
[14:00] <Seveas> WanderingWizardP: ok! I torrented all day yesterday on 20.04 and didn't notice any such thing, so if it still happens, let's see what's different between our systems.
[14:04] <qwerty2> https://postimg.cc/t7TQ6P3X anyone seeing here a connection to xorg session paralysing any means of input?
[14:06] <h00k> oerheks: neg. I'll keep looking.
[14:11] <CrazySam> Are LTS incremental releases made every 6 months?
[14:12] <CrazySam> 18.04.1 was release 3 months after 18.04. But 18.04.2, 18.04.3 and 18.04.4 were released about 6 months inbetween.
[14:13] <pavlos> ll
[14:13] <pavlos> sorry
[14:13] <CrazySam> This seems to be in line with 20.04 released yesterday, with 20.04.1 coming up in about 3 months.
[14:14] <CrazySam> !upgrade
[14:14] <WanderingWizardP> Seveas: It has occured a few times now. I'm not very good at extracting information from the logs, but there doesn't seem to be anything at the time of the incident...
[14:15] <WanderingWizardP> Seveas: And my system doesn't seem to completely freeze, only the network and bluetooth cuts out and any music I am listening to seem to skip as well.
[14:17] <WanderingWizardP> Seveas: I do see some "[UFW BLOCK] IN=wlp60s0 OUT= MAC=" in the logs, but those doesn't seem to be related time wise...
[14:22] <RoseBus> plz help i installed libboost-python-dev but it's still not working  https://bpaste.net/J5FQ
[14:23] <RoseBus> oh wait
[14:23] <RoseBus> i needed program-options
[14:23] <RoseBus> nvm
[14:25] <h00k> oerheks: I'm not sure I'm in luck: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=100201
[14:28] <xheimlich> I'm on Ubuntu 18.something LTS, but not using the built-in Gnome. I'm stuggling with keeping laptop touchpad tap-to-click enabled.
[14:29] <xheimlich> every time I learn how to do it with xinput. but the next time it doesn't work. the device number has changed, and I believe the property number too.
[14:30] <DavidJOwens> I'm getting a Panda PAU06 USB wifi adapter to add wifi to a desktop machine.  What do I need to do to get it working?  Just plug it in?
[14:31] <xheimlich> also: where should I add other commands so they start *with* the computer and not the wm? Maybe it's just that spectrwm is flaky somehow but it seems other settings (redshift, wallpaper) are also not keeping between reboots.
[14:35] <xMaverick> Gonna try ubuntu mate
[14:35] <xMaverick> DavidJOwens: Well it depends. If the drivers are already installed then yes just plug it in. If not you're gonna have to install the drivers
[14:38] <CrazySam> Is it true that 18.04.0 is supported to 2022 while 18.04.4 is only supported to 2020?
[14:39] <urth> No https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[14:40] <CrazySam> Oops! I was looking at the kernel support lifecycle.
[14:41] <CrazySam> OK so 18.04.4 is good for 2023?
[14:41] <kostkon> CrazySam, y
[14:42] <CrazySam> And so is 18.04.0?
[14:42] <CrazySam> April 2023. Is that when all of 18.04 branch will reach EOL?
[14:43] <kostkon> CrazySam, yes. although there'd be extended paid support till 2028
[14:43] <CrazySam> These incremental upgrades are not necessary to keep the release up-to-date?
[14:44] <CrazySam> Yes, I would expect paid support to be extended.
[14:46] <fSharp> hello, I cant upgrade from 19.04. I tried online posts but didnt work, in which I edit sources.list...updater shows "upgrade" but nothing happens when I select it.
[14:46] <kostkon> CrazySam, point releases typically mean a refreshed iso with all the previous updates/fixes and a newer kernel backported from later releases for better hardware support
[14:46] <CrazySam> I just upgraded an old box from 18.04.1 to 18.04.4. No harm done. But it's good to know that even the older 18.04.0 has support all the way up to 2023.
[14:46] <binder> is there a tool that would would let me get a list of packages from a 16.04 server that are installed, copy it over to a 20.04 server and install the updated versions of them? dpkg-query explicitly lists versions like php7.0 and I don't want that, i want the latest of everything
[14:46] <Rumen> hi
[14:47] <Rumen> anyone knows how to install libssl1.0.0 on 20.04 LTS?
[14:47] <Rumen> without that Viber can not be installed
[14:48] <binder> it has to be libssl1.0.0?
[14:48] <binder> could you symlink libssl1.1 to 1.0.0?
[14:49] <grawity> they're incompatible, that's kinda why they got separate packages in the first place
[14:49] <CrazySam> binder: but is libssl1.1 backwards compatible with libssl1.0.0?
[14:49] <grawity> so symlinking has a high chance of the thing just crashing
[14:49] <fSharp> can I somehow upgrade from 19.04?
[14:50] <ioria> Rumen, why don't you use the snap version ?
[14:50] <binder> good question, rumen it appears if you install aws-cli it i nstalls libssl1.0.0
[14:51] <CrazySam> !ubuntu-support-status
[15:02] <Rumen> viber has no snap install version, aws-cli gives error
[15:03] <Guest71879> I have a Dell XPS 13 (9343) and when I use the webcam its black and white... I am on 20.04 LTS
[15:06] <Guest71879> (The integrated one)
[15:07] <takov751> hello ther
[15:08] <takov751> e
[15:08] <takov751> i am looking for help
[15:08] <lordcirth__> takov751, welcome. Please ask your question
[15:08] <takov751> the android-studio does depends for hardware accelerated emulation on the kvm and ubuntu-vm-builder packages.
[15:08] <takov751> ia32-libs-multiarch
[15:09] <takov751> as well
[15:09] <takov751> however in 20.04 i havent found the last two packages
[15:09] <takov751> for the ia32 there is a replacement
[15:09] <takov751> however i cant find any other option for ubuntu-vm-builder
[15:11] <kenperkins> what's the installer called and where do you search for bugs in the installer
[15:11] <tonyt> anyone notice on 20.04 how hexchat take alot longer to load?
[15:17] <lordcirth__> tonyt, did you install it as a snap?
[15:18] <fSharp> hello, I cant upgrade from 19.04. I tried online posts but didnt work, in which I edit sources.list...updater shows "upgrade" but nothing happens when I select it.
[15:20] <ioria> fSharp, can you paste your sources.list ?
[15:22] <fSharp> ioria, here it is https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nhb8NQbSYk/
[15:22] <fSharp> I just modified it following some online posts to solve the problem
[15:22] <fSharp> hence the old releases lines
[15:23] <ioria> fSharp, and what  sudo apt update  gives you ?
[15:24] <Absolute> How do I run something like node mycrawler.js daily?
[15:24] <grawity> crontab
[15:25] <Absolute> I tried setting up a cronjob but I don't know how to run it
[15:25] <Absolute> I mean
[15:25] <fSharp> ioria, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/TfnbtRXD9X/
[15:25] <pavlos> Absolute: add it in /etc/cron.daily/
[15:25] <ioria> fSharp,  sudo apt full-upgrade
[15:25] <Absolute> I tried this way @daily -u map /home/map/mycrawler.js
[15:26] <Absolute> but I need to run "node mycrawler.js"
[15:26] <grawity> hmm I'm not familiar with the "-u map" part
[15:26] <pavlos> ls
[15:26] <luna_> -a
[15:26] <Absolute> just some user thing, irrelevant @daily /home/map/mycrawler.js
[15:27] <Absolute> but just running the .js doesn't work, I have to run "node script.js"
[15:27] <Absolute> so I'm lost to set a daily cron
[15:27] <fSharp> ioria, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/z3kMfjh7Xx/
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[15:28] <ioria> fSharp,  apt-cache policy calf-plugins
[15:28] <johnfg> hi folks
[15:29] <pavlos> Absolute: make a file crawl in /etc/cron.daily,  make it exec,  add to the file "node /home/map/mycrawler.js" (w/o quotes
[15:29] <johnfg> I was going to upgrade from 19.10 to 20.04 LTS, but Software & Updates, even after running 'update-manager -c -d', isn't seeing the new version.
[15:30] <johnfg> And this command is timing out: sudo /usr/lib/ubuntu-release-upgrader/check-new-release-gtk
[15:30] <EriC^^> johnfg: what does "grep -i prompt /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades" give you?
[15:31] <Absolute> pavlos, I did this already, thing is I can't seem to run the script without putting node in front on the line
[15:31] <Absolute> mycrawler.js doesn't work
[15:31] <Absolute> node mycrawler.js works
[15:31] <johnfg> Prompt=lts
[15:31] <Absolute> oh nvm
[15:32] <Absolute> thanks pavlos
[15:32] <howarth> I used 'sudo do-release-upgrade -d '
[15:32] <EriC^^> johnfg: try howarth 's command
[15:33] <EriC^^> johnfg: are you sure the internet connection is working well? "sudo apt update" works for instance?
[15:33] <howarth> https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-upgrade-ubuntu-to-20-04-lts-focal-fossa
[15:33] <fSharp> ioria, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hyPPDtzM82/
[15:34] <johnfg> Am doing.  Got this though: Connection to Snap Store failed.  And a bit more.  Continue anyway?
[15:35] <ioria> fSharp,  0.0.60-5 is for bionic , idk why you have it installed; maybe you can purge it
[15:35] <johnfg> Looks like it's working.  Thanks guys.  Any idea why the others failed?
[15:35] <fSharp> ioria, purged
[15:35] <h00k> oerheks: I gave up for a bit on my wifi issue - still didn't get any results. Thanks again
[15:35] <h00k> !cookie | oerheks
[15:36] <ioria> fSharp,  sudo apt full-upgrade again
[15:37] <johnfg> EriC^^: sorry, I missed your last.  Yes, apt update works fine, told me all was up-to-date for 19.10.
[15:37] <johnfg> But howarth's cmd is working; just with that snap warning.
[15:38] <fSharp> ioria, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/MDSmXBfhRR/
[15:39] <ioria> fSharp,  so, you want to upgrade to 19.10 ?
[15:40] <ibuclaw> Afternoon, has anyone tried upgrade pass from 18.04->20.04 with lvm+full disk encryption yet? I'm welcomed by a busybox prompt post-upgrade - it doesn't look like luks has been baked into initrd, so it can't find any volume groups.  Just about to boot up from usb...
[15:41] <fSharp> this is another problem..getting disconnected lately...hope it gets fixed too when I can finally upgrade
[15:42] <ioria> fSharp,  so, you want to upgrade to 19.10 ?
[15:42] <electricityZZZZ> any guides for cuda on ubuntu 20.04? i installed the cuda-toolkit and nvcc seems to work, and now i'm trying to get cudnn to work. look like nvidia hasn't yet released any ubuntu 20.04 packages
[15:42] <fSharp> ioria yes
[15:42] <ioria> fSharp,  grep Prompt /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[15:43] <howarth> The actually was a snap related fix in focal-proposed-updates
[15:43] <howarth> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/1:20.04.10
[15:44] <howarth> update-manager (1:20.04.10) focal; urgency=medium
[15:44] <howarth>   * Fix intermittent hang during snap updates (LP: #1874469).
[15:48] <PeGaSuS> is it kinda safe to use Gparted from a live usb to shrink a partition and create a new one to host a Windows system?
[15:48] <fSharp> sorry this disconnection again
[15:49] <fSharp> ioria if you posted recently could you please repost it?
[15:49] <ioria> fSharp,  grep Prompt /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[15:50] <fSharp> ioria the output is 'Prompt=normal'
[15:50] <ioria> fSharp,  what happens if you run 'do-release-upgarde' ?
[15:51] <zvrk> PeGaSuS: don't do it if you want to have your windows healthy
[15:51] <PeGaSuS> zvrk: could you explain more?
[15:51] <ioria> fSharp,  kill it, as soon as you get the release file (if you get it)
[15:52] <fSharp> ioria, now something is progressing
[15:52] <fSharp> after 'do-release-upgrade'
[15:52] <d1g1ta1> Any way to speed up cellular modem performance over Bluetooth connection?  It's a 16M link, runs 10M USB tether, 4M+ through the Ubuntu 16 gateway (wired or Bluetooth), would like to get 8M ideally.  Read that iptables might nick 10%, but that's a far cry from 50%+.
[15:52] <ioria> fSharp,  yes, typo sy
[15:53] <zvrk> PeGaSuS: just shrink windows with disk managment and make free space for ubuntu
[15:54] <ioria> fSharp,  if you get 'eoan', stop it, purge the flatpak ppa, and then proceed
[15:54] <howarth> If you the dist-upgrade got you to focal, try focal-updates-proposed and see if that fix to update-manager fixes the snap problem
[15:55] <zvrk> PeGaSuS: before shrink maybe you need defragment windows to put all files to one side of patrition
[15:55] <EriC^^> PeGaSuS: you mean to shrink the ubuntu partition for windows?
[15:56] <johnfg> How much difference would you say there is between ubuntu-server and debian?
[15:57] <PeGaSuS> EriC^^: yes. I need to shrink it to create a partition to install windows. I guess that I'll need to reinstall grub right after that?
[15:57] <EriC^^> PeGaSuS: yup
[15:57] <EriC^^> PeGaSuS: you'll need to shrink it from a live usb
[15:58] <EriC^^> it's relatively safe, but you should have backups of your important stuff as always, who knows
[15:58] <fSharp> ioria, sorry disconnected again...upgrade seems to be underway https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7GXTg26T3d/
[15:58] <PeGaSuS> EriC^^: yes, I've already booted from the live USB and backups in place :D
[15:58] <EriC^^> :D
[15:58] <zvrk> PeGaSuS: oh sorry didn't understood you well
[15:59] <PeGaSuS> zvrk: no problem. and yes, I know Windows is very picky when it is already installed
[16:00] <fSharp> ioria, thank you so much!
[16:00] <ioria> fSharp,  ok
[16:01] <fSharp> hi EriC^^, how are you?
[16:01] <EriC^^> fSharp: hi, good thanks, you?
[16:01] <zvrk> PeGaSuS: why installing this way you know that windows like to be on first place of hardrive
[16:01] <fSharp> thank you, good, too
[16:02] <fSharp> EriC^^ ^
[16:02] <PeGaSuS> zvrk: because I already have Ubuntu installed since 2018 in the laptop and I don't want to mess with it. so installing Windows and then recovering GRUB seems the logical step
[16:03] <fSharp> ioria, just wondering what made it work...was it the last grep command you posted?
[16:04] <johnfg> I don't mean to be a bother, with a polling type question, but am thinking of changing my primary server from debian to ubuntu-server-20.04
[16:05] <ioria> fSharp,  i don't think so
[16:05] <zvrk> PeGaSuS: ok to make easier to recover grub use supergrub iso to find ubuntu and boot up system with ubuntu
[16:06] <zvrk> PeGaSuS: once you boot up just grub-update
[16:06] <Gorro_Rojo> hi! I need some help, have been searching everywhere cand couldn't find an answer. I'm attempting to install Armory, and the error i get is "Dependency is not satisfiable: python (>=2.6)".i'm not sure what i'm supposed to install, i already have python 2.7 and python 3.
[16:07] <PeGaSuS> zvrk: no more USB drives to install anything. so I'll use the old method: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows :)
[16:09] <fSharp> ioria, something must have made it worked along the way, then..anyway, glad it has. thank you again...bye!
[16:10] <ioria> fSharp,  no prob
[16:10] <PeGaSuS> I guess that just issuing grub-install /dev/sda and update-grub should work?
[16:11] <johnfg> Thanks again for the help folks!
[16:14] <PeGaSuS> Gorro_Rojo: probably missing dependencies? pike python3-dev and python-dev?
[16:14] <PeGaSuS> no idea though
[16:14] <electricityZZZZ> so, fresh ubuntu 20 install on (encrypted) ZFS. im using this machine as a desktop, and just copied a couple of 400 mb files while streaming some music on youtube.... my music got interrupted for like half a second :/ it's a quad core xeon workstation from a couple years ago so it should be plenty performant...
[16:17] <Gorro_Rojo> PeGaSuS, no luck :s
[16:17] <JoeMerit> old slow harddrive ?
[16:17] <zvrk> PeGaSuS: Gorro_Rojo need old python version 2.6
[16:17] <ioria> Gorro_Rojo, is that Armory an ubuntu package ?
[16:17] <electricityZZZZ> it's a ssd,...
[16:17] <Gorro_Rojo> ioria, yes, a .deb file
[16:17] <electricityZZZZ> i'm thinking something more complex than that, maybe zfs and linux haven't really finished playing nice with each other?
[16:18] <ioria> Gorro_Rojo, ok, .deb pkg does not mean 'ubuntu package';    run this  : dpkg -l python
[16:19] <ircme> hi guys. I just upgraded from 19.10 to 20.04 all looks fine. although ubuntu software is gone, after I received a pop asking duplicate package ubuntu software. I removed and pufff. Ubuntu software is gone from the task bar but if I go through the applications, doesn't open anyays. Any clue?
[16:19] <Gorro_Rojo> ioria oh alright, it print's out python 2.7
[16:19] <electricityZZZZ> ircme: always install from scratch
[16:19] <electricityZZZZ> ircme: forget about everything else
[16:20] <ioria> Gorro_Rojo, can i see the output ? and what release are you on ?
[16:20] <ircme> @electricityZZZZ, :( that's a bit... not convinient let's say
[16:20] <ircme> but thanks for the advice ;)
[16:21] <electricityZZZZ> ircme: if you are lucky someone will help you and you will follow their advice, and then as you get into it, 9 times out of 10 it won't work out. so don't bother
[16:21] <electricityZZZZ> ircme: copy your data to an external drive and start fresh
[16:22] <ircme> yeah you just gave me a plan for the weekend lol (unfortunatly)
[16:22] <Gorro_Rojo> ioria sure thing, this is the output https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jgKSm6Q5q2/ i'm on 20.04
[16:22] <ioria> no python ppkg on 20.04 Gorro_Rojo , sorry
[16:22] <PeGaSuS> ircme: I believe that the problem is easily solvable. just wait for someone with more knowledge to get to you
[16:23] <ioria> Gorro_Rojo, and 'rc' mean removed
[16:23] <ioria> !info python focal
[16:23] <Gorro_Rojo> oh dang
[16:24] <Gorro_Rojo> well thank you very much ioria, i'll look into that then
[16:24] <zvrk> !info python3 focal
[16:24] <invra> how do i search for available kernels?
[16:24] <ioria> Gorro_Rojo, i'am sure there is a way to do that, but not in the ubuntu way; you're welcm
[16:27] <electricityZZZZ> yeah so, copying a 500MB file on ZFS reliably interrupts my music.
[16:29] <PeGaSuS> ircme: when you try to open the Ubuntu Software it just doesn't open or there's some kind of error displayed?
[16:30] <ircme> @PeGaSuS, I get the cursor spinning for few seconds and then does nothing
[16:32] <PeGaSuS> ircme: did you tried to `apt install --reinstall gnome-software`? I assume you're talking about the Software Center
[16:33] <cyphrack> I'm getting hash sum mismatch when trying to apt update on a fresh ubuntu 20.04 install
[16:33] <ircme> @PeGaSuS,  yes I tried that just few minutes ago. although didn't restart the machine, but I think isn't needed anyways
[16:34] <ircme> still the same
[16:34] <cyphrack> already tried clearing /var/lib/apt/lists/* and with different repos, same issue
[16:37] <PeGaSuS> ircme: old but might be useful (if you fall in any of those categories): https://www.maketecheasier.com/ubuntu-software-center-not-working-fixes/
[16:38] <xheimlich> thereś an expersexchange.com vibe to that url. it seems like a mispelling of cheesier.
[16:38] <ircme> @PeGaSuS, I was reading that same article. Was from there that I find out the command you sent me. Thanks ;)
[16:39] <PeGaSuS> ircme: sorry, but I can't help any further :/
[16:39] <ircme> no problem, thanks ;)
[16:40] <binder> so I asked this earlier and got sidetracked, didn't see a response:
[16:40] <binder> is there a tool that would would let me get a list of packages from a 16.04 server that are installed, copy it over to a 20.04 server and install the updated versions of them? dpkg-query explicitly lists versions like php7.0 and I don't want that, i want the latest of everything
[16:42] <grawity> that's part of the package name though
[16:42] <grawity> not sure if good but there's `apt-mark showauto` – if you installed "php" and it dragged in "php7.0" then it'll only list the former
[16:42] <ibuclaw> Excellent looks like there's a bug in the 20.04 upgrade scripts. https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/solved-focal-20-04-init-premount-fails/926
[16:46] <Mordoc> binder: I think you'd have to do a mix of the output of apt list --installed and some parsing of that list to get to just the raw package names without version references
[16:46] <eelstrebor> anyone know why settings->software&updates is saying that my wireless card isn't working even though it is (ubuntu 20.04)
[16:52] <lotuspsychje> eelstrebor: wich chipset would that be?
[16:53] <ibuclaw> And here's the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/1873614
[17:02] <zutat> does 20.04 support gpu switching out of the box on supported systems?
[17:02] <jcdutton> Has 20.04 been pulled?  do-release-upgrade does not find it.
[17:04] <binder> 18.04 to 20- upgrades probably won't be until july?
[17:05] <housecat> jcdutton: are you on 19.10 or 18.04?
[17:05] <jcdutton> Yes
[17:05] <housecat> sorry, i was wondering which
[17:06] <jcdutton> 18.04
[17:06] <housecat> ubottu: ltsupgrade | jcdutton
[17:06] <binder> murdoc: dpkg-query -f '${binary:Package}\n' -W kinda gives me a good list
[17:06] <jcdutton> the -d does not work
[17:07] <housecat> odd, it should do. does it just say there's no release available?
[17:07] <lotuspsychje> zutat: we cant generalize that, cause there are different hybrid cards out there, best to ask your specific issue to the channel
[17:07] <jcdutton> Upgrades to the development release are only
[17:07] <jcdutton> available from the latest supported release.
[17:08] <BluesKaj> perhaps the bot is out of date
[17:08] <housecat> jcdutton: what does the Prompt= line say in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades ?
[17:08] <housecat> BluesKaj: the bot matches my current understanding of things, it is entirely possible that understanding is out of date?
[17:08] <jcdutton> housecat, I tried normal and lts.  Both have the same problem
[17:08] <housecat> s/?/ :)/
[17:09] <BluesKaj> shouldn't need -d
[17:09] <housecat> BluesKaj: until the first point release, you do
[17:09] <BluesKaj> really ?
[17:09] <housecat> yes
[17:09] <BluesKaj> never heard that before
[17:09] <housecat> jcdutton: you tried do-release-upgrade -d while Prompt=lts is set on 18.04 and it gave you that "latest supported release" message?
[17:10] <jcdutton> I found that focal is not listed on changelogs.ubunut.com   Could that be why
[17:10] <housecat> jcdutton: with the config i just mentioned it pulls from https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-lts-development , where it is
[17:11] <woenx> Hi. I am trying to install a software to control my laptop fan speed. In the past I used Notebook Fan Control (https://github.com/hirschmann/nbfc), but now I wanted to try fancontrol as it is better integrated with the system
[17:11] <woenx> however, sensors-detect does not detect any pwm-capable sensor
[17:11] <jcdutton> with prompt lts, and -d,  I get:   Upgrades to the development release are only
[17:11] <jcdutton> available from the latest supported release.
[17:12] <jcdutton> Correction: Please install all available updates for your release before upgrading.
[17:12] <woenx> any ideas?
[17:12] <jcdutton> I have install all available updates. It would be nice if it told me what is missing
[17:12] <cyphrack> I'm getting hash sum mismatch when trying to apt update on a fresh ubuntu 20.04 install
[17:13] <lotuspsychje> cyphrack: can you pastebin the whole apt output please?
[17:13] <housecat> jcdutton: can you pastebin the entire output from sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[17:14] <eelstrebor> lotuspsychje, intel ac9260
[17:16] <lotuspsychje> eelstrebor: i have the same, but wifi works anyway
[17:16] <zvrk> woenx: did you install 'lm-sensors'
[17:16] <woenx> zvrk: yes
[17:16] <woenx> I can see a lot of temperatures, but no fan speed
[17:16] <Hamilton> apt update and upgrade doesn't automatically upgrade to 20.04 right?
[17:16] <woenx> Notebook Fan Control must see the fan speed somewhere else
[17:17] <jcdutton> housecat, sorry I cannot do that. It just points to a repo mirror. that has use apt-mirror to grab it from the internet
[17:18] <jcdutton> Its ok, I will just wait till July
[17:18] <housecat> jcdutton: *nod* i have no idea how that would interact with things, sorry :(
[17:19] <Haxxa> why does ubuntu report this: 7 hours with a 56k modem - who the heck is using a 56k modem?
[17:20] <Hamilton> Haxxa, still many people
[17:20] <kyle__> Haxxa: sadly a lot of folks have no better option in rural areas.
[17:21] <kyle__> Good thing the FCC lets telco & cable companies charge _every_ customer a fee for infrastructure upgrades... that they never do
[17:22] <InspectorCluseau> If I had to go back to dial-up I would go satellite. DSL is just barely acceptable.
[17:22] <cyphrack> lotuspsychje: here is the apt update output https://pastebin.com/KUjvDf24
[17:23] <lotuspsychje> cyphrack: wich iso/flavour are you on please?
[17:24] <cyphrack> Ubuntu 20.04 LTS, fresh install, downloaded ISO an hour ago
[17:24] <lotuspsychje> cyphrack: ok, can you come join at #ubuntu-mirrors and report with your pastebin?
[17:26] <CrazySam> What is 1ubuntu1.1 indicating?
[17:27] <pringlescan> Hello, I'm struggling to use the Ryzen platform (read: boot/install) with an AMD Navi GPU on 20.04 LTS without disabling virtualization and security features. It appears that there were patches from 2017 that may not have been submitted/applied: https://patchwork.freedesktop.org/patch/146519/
[17:27] <zvrk> jcdutton: did you check settings --Software & Updates is set to notify for long term support versions if yes try to change to notify me for any new version
[17:29] <housecat> zvrk: that's equivalent to Prompt=normal, which we already discussed
[17:29] <pringlescan> I don't mind applying manual patches, however, I'm concerned that less technical users are needlessly pulling their hair out and it'd be a sin for the latest LTS not to support AMD hardware out of the box.
[17:31] <pringlescan> Is there a Ubuntu/Debian sanctioned way to keep these kernel patches applied without turning off kernel updates?
[17:33] <zvrk> !info kernel focal
[17:34] <zvrk> !info kernel-generic focal
[17:34] <lotuspsychje> linux-image-generic zvrk
[17:34] <zvrk> lotuspsychje: thanks
[17:35] <zvrk> !info linux-image-generic focal
[17:38] <Sonolin> any reason why Ubuntu 18.04 hasn't updated their apache2 version?
[17:38] <zvrk> pringlescan: wait to linux-image-generic version 5.5 it will support it
[17:38] <Sonolin> According to https://httpd.apache.org/security/vulnerabilities_24.html there are multiple vulnerabilities in the current version (2.4.29) that are fixed in 2.4.41
[17:40] <zetheroo1> When Chrome is first opened there is a Chrome icon in the right-side of the top bar, but after the screen locking and/or suspend the icon disappears. (18.04)
[17:42] <lotuspsychje> eelstrebor: if you want, file a bug about this and ill help affecting it
[17:51] <Sonolin> nobody knows huh? Is there a place I can ask about Ubuntu security updates? I mean, we're on a LTS release which should be supported until ~2023
[17:51] <wangledorf> Hello! One of my machines is still running 19.04 and I'd like to update it to 20.04; however, apt commands are all failing due to 404 as I believe the repositories I have configured are no longer valid
[17:51] <lordcirth> correct, disco repos are archived
[17:51] <cyveris> Sonolin: Security fixes generally get backported from newer versions. The version of the package itself doesn't change.
[17:52] <wangledorf> Are there instructions somewhere I can follow to get that resolved?
[17:52] <Sonolin> yea I get that, but I'm hoping for more documentation of that for the client since they are specifically pointing to the version number
[17:52] <lotuspsychje> !eolupgrade | wangledorf
[17:53] <cyveris> Sonolin: Then tell them to stop pointing to the version number. If there's a specific vulnerability they want to know about, there are Ubuntu security advisories.
[17:53] <cyveris> Sonolin: See 'usn.ubuntu.com'.
[17:53] <Sonolin> right, but how do I tell for sure this instance has patched out those security vulnerabilities?
[17:53] <lotuspsychje> wangledorf: its not really adviced due !usn security flaw since then, more reccomended is clean install a supported version
[17:53] <Sonolin> I'm not just going to ignore them
[17:54] <cyveris> Sonolin: I never said to do so. Is there a specific CVE you can give as an example?
[17:54] <lordcirth> Sonolin, the Ubuntu advisory will show that the CVE has been patched in your release
[17:54] <wangledorf> lotuspsychje: Unfortunately clean install isn't an option as I'm working from home and so I don't have physical access to the machine
[17:54] <wangledorf> Could probably install the arch way with chroot or something but I don't want to botch that
[17:54] <Sonolin> thanks lordcirth I will look there
[17:55] <lotuspsychje> wangledorf: we try to advice to upgrade before the ubuntu version goes eol
[17:55] <cyveris> Sonolin: You're welcome.
[17:55] <wangledorf> Yea, I just have a handful of machines/VMs so it's easy to miss updates on one
[17:55] <Sonolin> ...somebody has an ego problem
[17:56]  * cyveris points above where he directed you to usn.ubuntu.com :)
[17:57] <lotuspsychje> wangledorf: its your machine, your choice to eolupgrade
[17:58] <Kryuna> :)
[17:59] <woenx> How do you install the package pip in ubuntu 20.04? (to install python packages from a repository)
[17:59] <woenx> I tried python3-pip, but doesn
[18:00] <woenx> 't work
[18:00] <woenx> (cannot find command 'pip')
[18:00] <woenx> ah, ok, it's pip3 now
[18:00] <cyveris> woenx: Is the module available as an apt-installable package?
[18:02] <grkblood13> is there a way to use the split command to split on duration instead of size?
[18:02] <grkblood13> I have a pipe I want to split every N seconds
[18:04] <jatt> mounting cifs partitions started to fail after a focal upgrade this week, the error log says
[18:04] <jatt> [ 1026.700518] CIFS VFS: cifs_mount failed w/return code = -2
[18:04] <jatt> is this a known problem?
[18:04] <CrazySam> What version of dnsutils came before 1:9.11.4+dfsg-3ubuntu5.4
[18:04] <sarnold> grkblood13: as far as I know the utility you want doesn't exist
[18:04] <ibuclaw> Ugh, looks like its a combination of two things. 1) initramfs support for cryptsetup has been moved to cryptsetup-initramfs, and it is *not* installed during the upgrade process.  2) the names of LUKS devices have changed between 18.04 -> 20.04, and it fails to detect the encrypted disks on boot until fixed and update-initramfs -u -k all.
[18:05] <grkblood13> well that sucks
[18:06] <ibuclaw> Was "sda3_crypt", now it's "luks-{uuid}".  Updated /etc/crypttab, now system is bootable.
[18:06] <jatt> it also says,
[18:06] <jatt> [ 3222.539985] CIFS VFS:  BAD_NETWORK_NAME: \\machine\c$
[18:06] <jatt>  
[18:10] <eelstrebor> lotuspsychje, already reported: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/1859308
[18:10] <lotuspsychje> ah thank you eelstrebor
[18:10] <lotuspsychje> affected
[18:13] <jatt> this is the kernel log with cifs debug enabled:
[18:13] <jatt> http://dpaste.com/2PTAGRB
[18:13] <jatt> any ideas what could be the problem?
[18:14] <jatt> it worked a few days ago, I've been upgrading focal regularly so I don't know what package broke it
[18:16] <Rumen> Anyone got problem with MegaSync under 20.04? Segmentation fault?
[18:20] <sarnold> if jatt returns, this looks important:
[18:20] <sarnold> [ 3555.874766] CIFS VFS:  BAD_NETWORK_NAME: \\machine\c$
[18:21] <sarnold> https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/openspecs/windows_protocols/ms-cifs/8f11e0f3-d545-46cc-97e6-f00569e3e1bc
[18:25] <bratchley> how do I get cloud-init to forget an IP address? I cloned from another VM in libvirt but apparently cloud-init is specifically requesting the IP from the old VM on this version of the VM
[18:26] <bratchley> I've tried "cloud-init clean" and rebooting but it still gets that same .119 IP address
[18:42] <johnjay> how do I get my hard drives off the Favorites?
[18:42] <johnjay> i looked at most of the Settings but didn't see anything.
[18:45] <ioria> johnjay, gsettings get org.gnome.shell.extensions.dash-to-dock show-mounts
[18:51] <johnjay> ioria: ok done. i assume i have to logout for it to take effect?
[18:52] <ioria> johnjay, done what ?
[18:53] <johnjay> i entered the command and hit enter
[18:53] <ioria> and ?
[18:53] <johnjay> so do i logout or should it be instant?
[18:53] <ioria> nope, what's the output ?
[18:53] <johnjay> both my extra drives are still there on the Favorites
[18:53] <oerheks> yes, logout/login for that new setting
[18:53] <johnjay> none. it succeeded
[18:54] <ioria> johnjay, that command returns false or true
[18:55] <johnjay> um. in bash and most unix-descended systems 0 return of a process means success. usually indicated by no output
[18:55] <johnjay> echo $? returns 0. so it succeeded
[18:56] <dr`venom> My Scarlett 18i6 audio interface is recognized and when I just login the meter on sound settings shows audio. However, I have no audio. This audio interface was working perfectly on ubuntu 19.10.
[18:58] <johnjay> dr`venom: i always have problems with ubuntu switching to my headphones constantly
[18:58] <johnjay> did you double check teh sounds settings to make sure it has it selected?
[18:58] <dr`venom> Yes, I checked under sound settings and it is selected.
[18:58] <johnjay> oh well then it's the cursed land of pulseaudio for you then
[18:59] <johnjay> good luck
[18:59] <dr`venom> If I switch to the hdmi output I get sound through my monitor, but when I switch back to scarlett I get no sound.
[18:59] <dr`venom> Thanks.
[18:59] <dr`venom> I guess I might have to go back to 19.10 or the previous LTS.
[19:02] <johnjay> if you can find someone skilled in the ways of linux audio you can probably fix it
[19:02] <johnjay> but such wizards are only found in the remote outskirts of irc, in places few mortals dare to tread
[19:02] <dr`venom> I figured it might be something simple since it has worked 100% on the previous ubuntu releases.
[19:11] <gildarts> Anyone know why `do-release-upgrade -c` wouldn't be showing any updates available for my server? Was hoping to get on an LTS and then stick to it.
[19:13] <oerheks> try the -d option .. not sure, you might get Groovy Gorilla ?
[19:14] <gildarts> Yeah, not going to risk that flag on my server.
[19:14] <housecat> you would not get Groovy
[19:14] <sarnold> gildarts: there's prompts along the way..
[19:15] <sarnold> an dI don';t think it'd get you groovy any way https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5mGSSzzpgR/
[19:15] <lordcirth> Once 20.04.1 is out, you won't need -d
[19:15] <housecat> do-release-upgrade -d will upgrade from 18.04 to 20.04 until at least the release at 20.04.1 in late July
[19:15] <housecat> (at which point the -d is unnecessary, as lordcirth said)
[19:15] <housecat> release of*
[19:15] <gildarts> Ah, okay. Thanks
[19:20] <MrSassyPants> I believe I am experiencing a data corruption on my bulk data HDD. It fails to mount and fdisk reports the label as 'd^Ata' instead of 'data', gparted says "e2label: Superblock checksum does not match superblock while trying to open"
[19:21] <oerheks> is s.m.a.r.t. capable to read form that disk?
[19:21] <MrSassyPants> yes
[19:21] <oerheks> is it bad?
[19:21] <MrSassyPants> I'm not sure, probably not
[19:22] <oerheks> i mean, high number of failing sectors something?
[19:22] <MrSassyPants> smart reports "old age" mostly
[19:22] <MrSassyPants> (the drive would be almost 10 years old at this point)
[19:23] <lordcirth> 10 years is old. You have backups?
[19:23] <dan01> hi, my laptop is behaving as if no OS is installed, however if I boot fro live-stick I can see and boot into my system as an entry in grub.
[19:23] <MrSassyPants> It's a low priority drive, I lost all data on it due to a windows install recently, nothing's on there that's critical or can't be replaced
[19:23] <lordcirth> dan01, sounds like maybe grub didn't install properly?
[19:23] <dan01> I've booted into the system and tried update-grub and grub-install /dev/sda, but nothing
[19:23] <dan01> lordcirth: yeah
[19:24] <MrSassyPants> additional information: windows 10 install will write on seemingly empty drives (unpartitioned, but in actuality encrypted) ruining the encryption
[19:25] <EriC^^> dan01: are you booted into the system right now
[19:26] <johnfg> hi folks
[19:26] <lordcirth> MrSassyPants, yet another good reason to always partition the drive and encrypt the partition instead
[19:26] <lordcirth> johnfg, hi
[19:26] <oerheks> wb johnfg
[19:26] <johnfg> with either ubuntu-desktop or ubuntu-server, is there any problem with installing /boot on lvm?
[19:26] <johnfg> oerheks: Thanks!
[19:27] <MrSassyPants> I suppose. I ran the system for a decade without a windows and found a partitionless drive more aesthetically pleasing
[19:27] <johnfg> My home system upgraded to 20.04 fine!
[19:27] <johnfg> Now, I'd like to install server on this machine at the office, but it's stopping after I do manual partitioning.
[19:27] <oerheks> there are special cases with LVM .. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseNotes
[19:28] <johnfg> oerheks: I'm checking that out now, thanks!
[19:29] <oerheks> no, ZFS, something different
[19:29] <oerheks> ZFS installation fails to boot if there are existing pools named bpool or rpool on a second drive (bug 1867007).
[19:31] <woenx> Hey, can someone help me troubleshoot why autofs is not mounting a remote ssh location?
[19:31] <woenx> I have succesfully shared my key, and I can login without password to the server
[19:31] <woenx> I have installed sshfs
[19:32] <woenx> but I cannot access my share which should appear in /media/sshfs
[19:32] <woenx> and I don't know why (I've done that process like 5 times, and I always find some issue...)
[19:32] <oerheks> i think you want to mount it in /mnt/ as /media/  is for removable devices
[19:33] <lordcirth> woenx, does mounting it manually work?
[19:33] <lordcirth> Also, I would use x-systemd.automount rather than autofs
[19:33] <woenx> well, it will unmount it automatically when idle, so it's kind of removable...
[19:33] <woenx> lordcirth: yes, manually mounting it works just fine
[19:34] <woenx> and I am mounting it using the root password (which is supposed to be the one which uses autofs)
[19:34] <lordcirth> Then it's probably a problem with autofs syntax. Just try x-systemd.automount in fstab
[19:35] <woenx> Mmm, no, it has to be something else, I just copied and pasted the configuration files from my previous installation (I did a clean install last night)
[19:35] <woenx> Ok, i'll check
[19:35] <spydon> Hello, does anyone know how to change the session type in 20.04? Before I could click the cog wheel and change to xmonad on the login screen.
[19:36] <woenx> will  x-systemd.automount mount the "partition" only when it's going to be accessed?
[19:36] <Cleggerel> Having a bit of an issue, got a webcam, a fairly old logitech one, and Guvcview is picking up the video stream ok and I can see the device name when I lsusb, but it refuses to show a picture in any other application. The pathname to it is /dev/video1. Any ideas?
[19:37] <Cleggerel> I can only assume it's UVC compatible to some extent given it works with guvcview (and vlc)
[19:37] <dan01> EriC^^: I'a a firend of mines asking for him
[19:38] <dan01> EriC^^: please go ahead
[19:38] <johnfg> oerheks: Not really seeing anything in the release notes about the special case for lvm.
[19:39] <ngkim> Hello! I experience performance issues when running low on RAM, and I've heard ZFS may be the reason for it. Is there an easy way to migrate to something different, i.e. ext4?
[19:40] <lordcirth> woenx, yes. Though you'll need another flag as well if you want it to unmount when idle
[19:41] <woenx> lordcirth: I have tried the x-systemd.automount option. But I don't see it mounting automatically when I enter that dir
[19:41] <lordcirth> ngkim, how much RAM do you have? and what's your partitioning setup?
[19:41] <woenx> i can manually mount it using mount -a, for instance, and works fine, but not if it's unmounted
[19:41] <lordcirth> woenx, IIRC you will need to do "systemctl restart remote-fs.target" and/or local-fs.target
[19:42] <lordcirth> to re-read fstab
[19:42] <woenx> aha
[19:42] <woenx> will restarting the computer work?
[19:42] <lordcirth> yes
[19:43] <woenx> (to automatically unmont, there is the option x-systemd.idle-timeout=1min)
[19:43] <woenx> ok< i'll try now, thanks!
[19:43] <woenx> brb!
[19:43] <ngkim> lordcirth, I have 16G, and partitioning was set up by installer so I guess it is default (https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6MXg8R7krN/)
[19:44] <lordcirth> ngkim, ah, ok, so you used the new automatic ZFS option
[19:44] <lordcirth> Well, the short answer is, no, you can't in-place switch your / from ZFS to ext4 (or anything else)
[19:45] <lordcirth> However, I don't see ZFS on one drive causing much impact on 16GB
[19:47] <ngkim> lordcirth, in my case UI freezes when there's ≈200 MB of RAM left; I'll go for installing system from scratch then
[19:47] <ngkim> thank you for advice
[19:48] <johnfg> oerheks: Did you know of anything specific I should be doing before I try the install of server again?
[19:50] <oft_gegong> what is ubuntu used for?
[19:51] <lordcirth> oft_gegong, anything you use a computer for?
[19:51] <oft_gegong> and what if I don't use computers?
[19:52] <lordcirth> oft_gegong, then you aren't on this channel.
[19:52] <oft_gegong> Oh I see. so if I don't use computers I don't exist
[19:52] <lordcirth> Oh, you'd exist, you just wouldn't be connected to this channel, which requires a computer to access.
[19:52] <lordcirth> However, we are getting off-topic
[19:53] <oft_gegong> so back to ubuntu. I want to use ubuntu. But windows can do IRC really well. So. I guess the tables have turned *does a Dr. Evil pinky gesture*
[19:54] <lordcirth> This is the Ubuntu support channel. Did you have a specific support question?
[19:54] <leftyfb> oft_gegong: this is a support channel. Please your discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:59] <lapion> In Focal Fossa xchat doesn't automatically connect to servers marked as autoconnect in hte list anymore
[20:00] <psionikal> hey all
[20:00] <lapion> Also the usb-disk icons in the discmounter-app are too big for the panel
[20:00] <StatelessCat> Meow
[20:00] <lapion> Merow
[20:01] <psionikal> uhh hello everyone?
[20:01] <StatelessCat> lapion: purrrrr
[20:02] <hggdh> psionikal: yes, we are all here. This is not a chat channel, but a support one.
[20:02] <psionikal> okay my bad
[20:02] <StatelessCat> psionikal: sup' bro?
[20:02] <psionikal> not much
[20:02] <psionikal> trying to find a convo channel
[20:02] <hggdh> StatelessCat: also applies to you.
[20:02] <psionikal> sorry for disrupting you all btw
[20:02] <StatelessCat> hggdh: ok. :(
[20:04] <lapion> And I realy don't like the removal of bittornado from the repositories, we need some form of command line torrent client
[20:07] <CarloWood> I put a wifi dongle in my PC. It shows up with lsusb as "Bus 010 Device 003: ID 0bda:8179 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8188EUS 802.11n Wireless Network Adapter"
[20:07] <CarloWood> Can I use this to connect my PC to the internet (assuming a hotspot is nearby, which is the case)?
[20:12] <oerheks> check additional drivers, see if there is a download available
[20:12] <oerheks> else, yes, run updates, remove lancable and try to connect
[20:13] <CarloWood> oerheks: are you addressing me?
[20:14] <leftyfb> CarloWood: when you plug it in, can you see wifi ID's in your network manager?
[20:15] <CarloWood> I never use(d) a network manager :/.  Do you have command line thingy? Or else, where can I find that network manager?
[20:15] <CarloWood> I think I set it up as access point in the past.. but now I want to connect with it... (to my phone's hotspot)
[20:16] <leftyfb> CarloWood: in the top-right corner if the default ubuntu
[20:17] <oerheks> no gui?
[20:17] <leftyfb> CarloWood: https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/net-wireless-connect.html.en
[20:18] <CarloWood> My K-menu is in the top left corner.
[20:21] <CarloWood> I can find something under System Settings --> Network --> Connections
[20:21] <CarloWood> but... then I'm stuck
[20:21] <CarloWood> https://gyazo.com/54537d3dcac474aee26399b65a30a48e
[20:22] <CarloWood> https://gyazo.com/c275f4f6145ec9ccf63dbbc226aa18e6
[20:22] <CarloWood> rather that one
[20:22] <CarloWood> 'AlesPhone' is no more.
[20:23] <oerheks> mode infrastructure, change that to wpa2 ?
[20:23] <CarloWood> That's not there
[20:23] <oerheks> then you would be just a client again
[20:24] <oerheks> wipe that profile, or start a new one
[20:24] <CarloWood> It has 'Infrastructure', 'Ad-hoc' and 'Access Point'
[20:24] <CarloWood> ok I deleted it
[20:24] <lapion> Nice at least the mouse cursor doesn't freeze when a swap-partition is swap-on(ed) and files on usb are being scanned..
[20:24] <CarloWood> now there is no wifi at all anymore.
[20:25] <lapion> I only hope now the instant user-logout-bug is gone..
[20:25] <CarloWood> https://gyazo.com/72350b17c38359e89b89d7621b12724a
[20:26] <CarloWood> No wifi entry :/
[20:26] <lapion> Will know in a few days
[20:28] <CarloWood> Any idea on how to get this wifi working on ubuntu?
[20:29] <tikkun_olamunist> Updating, upgrading and running dist-upgrade on apt-get, I'm not seeing 2020.04 LTS available yet, coming from 2018.04 LTS
[20:29] <tikkun_olamunist> I'm on a Dell with Ubuntu preinstalled
[20:30] <tikkun_olamunist> Is it because Dell hasn't done a new release with its own drivers yet?
[20:31] <cyveris> tikkun_olamunist: dist-upgrade won't upgrade you from 18.04 to 20.04.
[20:32] <strongthany> Any suggestions for getting the fingerprint reader on my thinkpad t480 to work on 20.04? I'm fine with an answer of "there's no driver so it won't".
[20:32] <oerheks> strongthany, check your fingerprint ID on https://launchpad.net/~fingerprint/+archive/ubuntu/fingerprint-gui
[20:32] <tikkun_olamunist> neither does do-release-upgrade
[20:32] <oerheks> and https://fprint.freedesktop.org/supported-devices.html
[20:33] <oerheks> oops.,..
[20:33] <cyveris> tikkun_olamunist: do-release-upgrade won't show an available upgrade for 18.04 until 20.04.1 is released.
[20:33] <oerheks> forget Fprintgui, >>> Fingerprint GUI is no longer maintained and is not compatible with Ubuntu 20.04 and newer
[20:34] <tikkun_olamunist> will do-release-upgrade give me a development release, or the new release?
[20:34] <tikkun_olamunist> with -d flagged?
[20:35] <strongthany> also a question that has been making me pull my hair for a while now: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1215398/unable-to-install-landscape-19-10/1215408#
[20:35] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/session-fingerprint.html.en  if your ID is supported, it could work .. https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2020/04/ubuntu-fingerprint-scanner-login-desktop
[20:38] <lapion> tikkun_olamunist, I have upgraded 2 systems with the -d option..
[20:38] <lapion> seem to run fine..
[20:38] <lapion> however another system of mine would not upgrade..
[20:39] <lapion> and a in the past I have had unstable upgrades all the time..
[20:39] <lapion> your success may vary
[20:40] <lapion> usually upgrade to latest LTS only works directly when TLS xx.xx.1 is releases
[20:40] <tikkun_olamunist> @lapion OK thanks, I'll wait for 2020.4.1
[20:40] <lapion> so in this car 20.04.1
[20:41] <lapion> But I have taken the plunge ( after making a tar of the install first )
[20:41] <CarloWood> I don't even see CONFIG_RTL8188EE in my .config :(
[20:41] <CarloWood> Maybe I need CONFIG_WLAN_VENDOR_REALTEK=y first
[20:43] <tikkun_olamunist> When I bought my Dell XPS 13 7390 Developer Edition, I also bought a Dell Universal Dock - D6000, and the Linux driver has been very shoddy. The dock whines sometimes, and the monitor in the dock will cut out suddenly. Are there better drivers available?
[20:45] <sarnold> tikkun_olamunist: try running fwupdmgr update -- dell publishes many firmwares through that, probably your dock firmware is published through that too
[20:46] <oerheks> strongthany, that https line, did you install apt-https-transport?
[20:46] <tikkun_olamunist> @arnold thanks
[20:46] <strongthany> oerheks odd....unable to find the package
[20:46] <oerheks> else that other comment, edit mannualy
[20:47] <strongthany> oerheks ohhh, it's `apt-transport-https`
[20:47] <oerheks> oops
[20:47] <strongthany> oerheks I did not have that installed. Installing now and trying again
[20:47] <oerheks> if this is the pix, please updat your post ( it will help others!!)
[20:48] <strongthany> oerheks no dice, but good idea.
[20:48] <strongthany> oerheks one of the thing someone mentioned in my post was that for me to add the key myself. Can you help a fella out and help me format that line?
[20:49] <CarloWood> Depends on: NETDEVICES [=y] && WLAN [=y] ... -> Device Drivers -> Network device support (NETDEVICES [=y]) -> Wireless LAN (WLAN [=y])
[20:49] <strongthany> oerheks They said it should be something like `sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 6E85A86E4652B4E6` with the last string being the key. What exactly would I need?
[20:49] <johnfg> hi again guys.
[20:49] <strongthany> oerheks or do you mind if I DM you so I don't blow up chatter on here too much
[20:49] <strongthany> hi johnfg how good are you at landscape?
[20:49] <johnfg> no success with server install
[20:50] <strongthany> heck
[20:50] <johnfg> strongthany: Sorry.
[20:50] <strongthany> it's okay, though if you know anyone who is good have them ping me. I'm about at my wits end =(
[20:50] <johnfg> I'm not seeing exactly why, but the failure may be the lvm problem and /boot.
[20:51] <oerheks> i am not sure where you are now; remove landscape entries, and re-add the repo (sudo add-apt-repository --update ppa:landscape/19.10)  or the key sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 6E85A86E4652B4E6
[20:52] <amansx> quick question ubuntu's mini.iso what packages are installed by default?
[20:52] <oerheks> i would do 1st option
[20:52] <oerheks> * as the repo never installed any package with that error
[20:52] <amansx> where can I find this info
[20:52] <strongthany> oerheks I have re-added the repo many times so far, and done a number of server reinstalls. I've been at this for over a month now.
[20:52] <oerheks> !mini | amansx
[20:52] <psionikal> hello again.
[20:53] <psionikal> i'm having troubles with my wifi
[20:53] <psionikal> i really don't know what to do so if anyone could help me out i would be most grateful
[20:53] <CarloWood> CFG80211 -->
[20:54] <paulnoise> Hi, I'm trying to setup a PC with a USB wifi card (realtek rtl8811au) has anyone been able to do this?
[20:55] <paulnoise> I'm downloading 20.04 now to see if it is automatically picked up
[20:55] <amansx> oerheks thanks a lot, it still installs a base system, with some packages like teh accounts-service etc even though I don't select anything, do you know what that base system is?
[20:56] <amansx> there seems to be absolutely no documentation describing it, like a black box
[20:56] <PanMezjacz> paulnoise: fingers crossed it works out of the box
[20:56] <paulnoise> Thanks PanMezjacz
[20:56] <oerheks> base system is just kernel and tools, you select any desktop or service in a menu
[20:57] <psionikal> umm, i don't wanna be annoying but could someone help me?
[20:57] <paulnoise> I hope so, I've just tried with Zorin and it wouldn't find it
[20:58] <paulnoise> what do you need psionikal?
[20:58] <psionikal> sorry for not providing too many details here, but in a nutshell, my wifi connects to a network but doesn't actually connect to the internet
[20:58] <amansx> okay so umm what are the tools? and what default services get installed? such as aparmor, accounts-service and console-setup service etc
[20:58] <psionikal> the very same network i use for my other devices, which actually do connect to the internet
[20:59] <psionikal> i guess you can tell me which commands to input
[20:59] <paulnoise> hmmm, when you open a browser what happens?
[20:59] <psionikal> ugh lemme try-
[20:59] <paulnoise> if you connect to the wifi and open firefox/chrome and goto www.bbc.co.uk does it show you a website?
[20:59] <psionikal> i'm connected through ethernet btw
[21:00] <paulnoise> okay, try with wifi only and see what happens
[21:00] <amansx> I don't want to go through the d-i installer's source and find out what mystery packages/tools get installed, there should be some form of documentation
[21:00] <psionikal> okay back
[21:00] <psionikal> it shows me the regular "can't connect to (insert website here)
[21:01] <nick_hammy73> ubuntu is not recognizing my usb wireless adapter. any tips?
[21:01] <paulnoise> okay.  in terminal, type ping www.bbc.co.uk
[21:02] <paulnoise> see if it will ping the web site
[21:02] <amansx> nick_hammy73 what's your wireless adapter?
[21:02] <psionikal> paulnoise, unknown host error
[21:02] <CarloWood> -> Device Drivers -> Network device support -> Wireless LAN -> Realtek devices -> Realtek rtlwifi family of devices --> CONFIG_RTL8188EE
[21:02] <amansx> build/manufactorer
[21:02] <CarloWood> nick_hammy73: lol - I'm just doing the same.
[21:03] <CarloWood> nick_hammy73: which one is it?
[21:03] <tengo> Good evening, has anyone encountered an issue with 20.04 when using LUKS and setting the encryption key using a UK keyboard layout that after a reboot the keyboard default to non-UK (maybe US)?
[21:03] <tengo> I was going to try raising bug report but could fins my way around launchpad
[21:04] <tengo> *couldn't find..
[21:04] <paulnoise> psionikal I need to reboot, back soon
[21:04] <psionikal> ok cya
[21:04] <nick_hammy73> amansx it's netgear, i can look up the model number
[21:04] <psionikal> hopefully ig
[21:04] <amansx> nick_hammy73 look at the model number and look at the chip that's inside it, intel, broadcom etc
[21:05] <nick_hammy73> CarloWood i figured it was something to do with the driver, just wasn't sure how to change it
[21:06] <amansx> Lemme rephrase the question I guess, how does ubuntu mini.iso know to install apparmor service? which it installs by default regardless of what package I chose, is it part of a tasksel if so, what's the name of the taslksel?
[21:07] <nick_hammy73> i feel so dumb, i did the ole unplug/plug back in and now it works haha
[21:07] <amansx> nick_hammy73 lol happens to the best of us
[21:08] <psionikal> welp, anyone else who can help me here?
[21:08] <amansx> psionikal what's the issue
[21:08] <nick_hammy73> amansx thanks for the help anyway!
[21:08] <psionikal> i can connect to a wifi network, but no internet connection
[21:08] <pagios_> hi all, i would like to restart a given ffmpeg process, what is the signal i should send it to kill it and respwan it automatically ? kill -HUP ?
[21:08] <psionikal> pinging a website doesn't work
[21:09] <psionikal> returns "unknown host"
[21:09] <amansx> ifocnfig do you get an ip?
[21:09] <amansx> unknown host means your dns isn't working
[21:09] <psionikal> oh, and for the fun of it
[21:09] <CarloWood> psionikal: ifconfig -a
[21:09] <psionikal> i tried pinging the dns
[21:09] <amansx> add google's dns and see if that helps
[21:09] <psionikal> which i assumed was 8.8.8.8, returned "network is unreachable"
[21:09] <CarloWood> if you don't have an IP then perhaps the DHCP isn't working?
[21:10] <psionikal> lemme go do ifconfig without this ethernet brb
[21:10] <amansx> do 1. ifconfig and see if you have an ip
[21:10] <psionikal> back
[21:10] <amansx> 2. look at your router's/gateway's ip
[21:11] <amansx> if you have em both do tracert to another localmachine
[21:11] <psionikal> nope, no ips
[21:11] <psionikal> under enp0s10 i assume you meant?
[21:11] <amansx> there you go DHCP not working
[21:11] <psionikal> oki
[21:11] <psionikal> lemme double check though
[21:11] <amansx> look online how to setup DHCP
[21:12] <psionikal> okay, i definitely have no ip
[21:12] <psionikal> okay time to look this up
[21:12] <psionikal> thanks for the help amansx
[21:12] <amansx> np
[21:13] <amansx> Can someone help me with this -> what base packages does mini.iso install, is it a tasksel task? if so what's its name and where is it configured?
[21:14] <sysRPL> hello
[21:14] <amansx> the ram file (initrd.gz) doesn't give me good answers
[21:15] <oerheks> amansx, that environment is loaded in ram, not installed.
[21:15] <amansx> oerheks I'm aware hence the ram file, thanks though
[21:15] <oerheks> after that, it starts tasksel and you choose what to install, with wired networking
[21:16] <amansx> so lets say I don't select anything in tasksel
[21:16] <amansx> it still installs a base system
[21:16] <amansx> kernel + some tasksel task that i can't seem to find
[21:17] <oerheks> no, kernel. clean login.
[21:17] <amansx> login won't work without getty
[21:18] <oerheks> see what is enabled by default in that menu
[21:18] <amansx> like nothing
[21:18] <amansx> I'm assuming the task is called "standard"
[21:18] <amansx> but I can't seem to find how to emulate ut
[21:18] <amansx> https://www.debian.org/releases/etch/sparc/apbs04.html.en
[21:19] <amansx> tasksel tasksel/first multiselect standard
[21:19] <amansx> what's tasksel/first?
[21:19] <amansx> and what's standard?
[21:19] <amansx> and where can I list these tasks
[21:20] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tasksel
[21:20] <oerheks> grep Task /usr/share/tasksel/ubuntu-tasks.desc
[21:21] <oerheks> tasksel --list-tasks
[21:21] <amansx> root@8f1c1b8ec597:~# cat /usr/share/tasksel/descs/ubuntu-tasks.desc | grep standard
[21:21] <amansx> Task: standard
[21:22] <amansx>  ubuntu-standard
[21:22] <amansx> root@8f1c1b8ec597:~# tasksel --task-packages standard
[21:22] <amansx> standard^
[21:22] <amansx> root@8f1c1b8ec597:~#
[21:22] <oerheks> so, standard is the standard gnome3 ubuntu-dsktop
[21:23] <oerheks> but there is tons more, ssh, ubuntu-studio parts are nice
[21:23] <amansx> This task installs a reasonably small character-mode system.
[21:23] <psionikal> i'm back after setting up the dhcp thing
[21:23] <amansx> the issue is the tasksel --task-packages doesn't work
[21:23] <amansx> it's broken on base install of bionic
[21:24] <Bashing-om> amansx: I found the following useful on my 1st minimal setup:
[21:24] <psionikal> it still returns unknown host
[21:25] <oerheks> oh, then you do not read carefully.
[21:25] <Bashing-om> !minimal | amansx
[21:25] <oerheks> it does not get installed, tasksel, and i never said it does.
[21:25] <amansx> ah man, I installed tasksel manually
[21:25] <oerheks> but you can install it. on your bionic.
[21:25] <oerheks> it is policy.
[21:26] <amansx> what I meant was tasksel's bionic installation is borked
[21:26] <psionikal> amansx: any more help? i already set up the dhcp thing
[21:26] <amansx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tasksel/+bug/1576279
[21:27] <amansx> and I can't use a different distro because the datacenter I'm deploying this on is kinda stuck with bionic
[21:28] <kyle__> #ubuntu-server
[21:28] <amansx> so my question is: 1. is "standard" the one that installs apparmor and authentication-service etc
[21:28] <amansx> 2. where is it configured? in d-i?
[21:29] <amansx> 3. how do I find out what's inside this "standard" package
[21:29] <oerheks> do a test in a VM/kvm?
[21:30] <amansx> what kinda test? I have a docker instance with ripped open initrd ram file
[21:31] <amansx> I can't seem to find the file that's like the base config file and no docs so kinda frustrating
[21:31] <oerheks> https://hub.docker.com/_/ubuntu
[21:31] <amansx> I could wireshark the configs but that's kinda long ass process, thought someone would know
[21:32] <oerheks> 20.04, focal-20200423, focal, latest, rolling, devel
[21:32] <amansx> I have the docker image, man, just trying to figure out how it works
[21:34] <amansx> I'm trying to write a better installer script to make an unattended build with my packages, like a better UI for partioning etc
[21:34] <amansx> and remove junk packages such as accounts-service etc
[21:34] <amansx> and like ufw
[21:35] <sarnold> cloud-init script?
[21:35] <psionikal> hello i'm still having issues with my wifi
[21:35] <oerheks> netplan.yaml
[21:36] <psionikal> in a nutshell, i am connected to the network but i can't actually ping anything
[21:36] <amansx> sarnold these are mostly like terminal UI packages that'll help at installation
[21:37] <amansx> and most of this would be offline, installed inside the initrd
[21:38] <tomreyn> amansx: check 1576279 again
[21:38] <psionikal> i don't want to bother you again amansx, but could you help me some more?
[21:39] <amansx> tomreyn joined a bit later missed it
[21:39] <amansx> tomreyn time stamp?
[21:39] <amansx> psionikal how can I help?
[21:39] <psionikal> i set up the dhcp thing but still nothing
[21:39] <amansx> psionikal wait the bug report
[21:40] <amansx> sorry tomreyn
[21:40] <psionikal> ?
[21:40] <tomreyn> no problem, amansx ;-)
[21:40] <amansx> psionikal how can I help
[21:41] <psionikal> well, as i already said, i set up the dhcp server but still nothing
[21:41] <psionikal> unknown host
[21:41] <amansx> ok
[21:41] <amansx> do you get an IP address yet?
[21:41] <amansx> tomreyn you're the best!
[21:41] <psionikal> nope
[21:41] <tomreyn> ^
[21:42] <amansx> psionikal ok so what's your ubuntu version are you using a UI or command line?
[21:42] <psionikal> this might be a bit embarassing but i'm using 16.04
[21:42] <psionikal> i'm using a terminal
[21:43] <kostkon> psionikal, not embarassing at all
[21:43] <amansx> psionikal what're the contents of your /etc/network/interfaces file mask all the PII
[21:44] <amansx> find out the interface name
[21:45] <amansx> and add something like auto eth1
[21:45] <amansx> iface eth1 inet dhcp
[21:45] <amansx> then ifdown eth1 and ifup -v eth1
[21:45] <amansx> add -v to see what's going on
[21:49] <amansx> tomreyn do you happen to know what's the default task the debian-installer runs? and where is it documented?
[21:50] <tomreyn> amansx: no idea.
[21:50] <amansx> also tomreyn your comment worked like a charm, it's weird that the package name is suffixed by a ^
[21:51] <tomreyn> that's how tasks are indicated to apt
[21:51] <amansx> had no idea!
[21:51] <amansx> thanks a bunch
[21:52] <amansx> also Note - Calling tasks from apt-get is not documented anywhere. If you find a page that documents this, please update this page with a link.
[21:52] <tomreyn> documentation is a bit lacking there.
[21:52] <amansx> from the docs
[21:52] <amansx> touché
[21:54] <tomreyn> amansx: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tasksel#Usage_.28alternative.29
[21:57] <amansx> tomreyn thanks, question how does the desc file get updated? is that a part of apt-update?
[21:59] <amansx> I think this helps tremendously I can just query all the installed packages that have a suffix ^ and find out what tasks got installed
[22:00] <amansx> I think that solves half the problems from there I guess I'll have to find out how to replace these tasks with my own that can install my own version of say fdisk/gdisk and just get rid of garbage services altogether
[22:01] <cgipython> I am unable to write to my USB Drive - even gparted says : Unable to open /dev/sdc read-write (Read-only file system).
[22:01] <amansx> cgipython mount it as readonly?
[22:02] <amansx> backup data and reformat it
[22:02] <amansx> I'm using its NTFS?
[22:03] <cgipython> fsck.vfat -n /dev/sdc1 --> this is saying not Not auto-correcting
[22:03] <cgipython> amansx,  60.1G  c W95 FAT32 (LBA)
[22:04] <oerheks> so, is it unmounted before you did that task?
[22:04] <cgipython> oerheks, yes
[22:05] <oerheks>  fsck utility. This tool should only be run against an unmounted filesystem ...
[22:05] <cgipython> there are tons of errors
[22:05] <cgipython> I was hoping to just cleanly format it
[22:05] <cgipython> fsck.vfat -a /dev/sdc1 [22:06] <davanger> Does the 20 tls improve on 19?
[22:07] <davanger> i have geforce 1030 that did not play well in 19. Not sure if 20 will be any better
[22:07] <amansx> I'm assuming you're sure the device name is correct? take it out and see if the dev name's still there
[22:07] <oerheks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseNotes
[22:07] <oerheks> some nvidia bugs, ..
[22:08] <amansx> also what's the partition table, GPT or MBR?
[22:09] <Bashing-om> davanger: "plethora of improvements," >> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-20.04-LTS-Download
[22:10] <davanger> But Nvidia related?
[22:10] <davanger> I could not get 4k movies to work right
[22:10] <davanger> In 19 that is
[22:13] <cgipython> amansx, how do i find out gpt or mbr?
[22:14] <EliteGod> stupid question: when adding PPA's to the system, usually they're tied to a specific Ubuntu version, like xenial, bionic. when doing do-release-upgrade those same PPA's are disabled by the system. to re-enable then again we just need to change to the current version, like focal, ie?
[22:14] <cgipython> amansx, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9S9DdnxBkq/
[22:14] <oerheks> EliteGod, one could do that manually, i suggest to check them out on launchpad first.
[22:15] <oerheks> i am waiting on gnome-pie update
[22:15] <EliteGod> oerheks: do we really need to purge the PPA's before a release upgrade or it is not that important though?
[22:15] <kinghat> Ubuntu or spins able to be installed on 2gb USB?
[22:16] <EliteGod> I mean, usually Ubuntu disable them
[22:16] <tomreyn> amansx: what's the "desc file" you're referring to?
[22:16] <oerheks> disabling ppa's is part of the upgrade process indeed
[22:16] <oerheks> no need to do that'manually
[22:16] <amansx> Tasks are defined in .desc files found in /usr/share/tasksel. Debian derivatives can easily add tasks.
[22:17] <EliteGod> thanks for the input. I'm planning to upgrade to Focal during this week
[22:17] <EliteGod> weekend*
[22:17] <amansx> cgipython do you wanna clean format it and lose data?
[22:17] <tomreyn> amansx: this seems to print a list of known tasks for a systems' package repository (i bet there's a much easier way to list this, though):    apt-cache dumpavail | grep '^Task: ' | cut -b7- | sed -E 's/([^,]+)(, )?/\1\n/g' | grep -v '^$' | sort | uniq
[22:18] <oerheks> kinghat, check sizes https://torrent.ubuntu.com/tracker_index
[22:18] <amansx> fantastic!
[22:18] <cgipython> amansx, indeed
[22:18] <cgipython> i am currently trying fsck - and its taking too much time
[22:19] <cgipython> amansx, if there are bad sectors, preferably mark them while formattin
[22:19] <amansx> cgipython sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc bs=512 count=1 conv=notrunc
[22:20] <tomreyn> amansx: actually there's /usr/share/tasksel/descs/ubuntu-tasks.desc - maybe what you meant
[22:20] <amansx> this'll remove your partition table altogether
[22:20] <cgipython> amansx, sdc1 or sdc?
[22:20] <cgipython>  sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc bs=512 count=1 conv=notrunc --- /dev/sdc1? or /dev/sdc?
[22:20] <cgipython> does this also mark bad sectors?
[22:20] <amansx> no
[22:21] <amansx> tomreyn that's what I meant but I'm assuming if there's a repo level desc files then they probably get updated by apt, when - I guess is another question
[22:21] <cgipython> amansx, any hope of doing that with a command?
[22:22] <kinghat> oerheks: that's just the ISO size. on install they say they need 4gb or will fail and do
[22:22] <amansx> cgipython use badblocks with mkfs
[22:22] <oerheks> good luck
[22:22] <amansx> I usually format with mkfs anyway
[22:22] <EliteGod> honest answer: should I wait for 20.04.1 to appear to upgrade to Focal or that doesn't matter much?
[22:22] <oerheks> kinghat, xubuntu fits 2gb .. if it fails, maybe bad usb?
[22:23] <oerheks> and is the writing on an UNMOUNTED usb?
[22:23] <Bashing-om> EliteGod: If mission critical - then wait :)
[22:24] <cgipython> amansx, dd: failed to open '/dev/sdc': Read-only file system
[22:24] <EliteGod> Bashing-om: not critical at all. it's an old laptop having a second life though.
[22:24] <amansx> cgipython you probably got the wrong device mate
[22:24] <kinghat> oerheks: can't it only be written to one way?
[22:24] <amansx> or it's in a readonly mode via some physical button
[22:24] <amansx> some flash drives have that
[22:25] <EliteGod> !info yarn focal
[22:25] <Bashing-om> EliteGod: Install away :D .. I have heard of no show stoppers. Just be aware 20.04 remains as "development" until the .1 release.
[22:26] <cgipython> amansx, did you see the fdisk -l output - that is the device
[22:26] <cgipython> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9S9DdnxBkq/
[22:26] <cgipython> gparted hanged on it
[22:26] <amansx> cgipython no idea then, did you try formatting it on a different device?
[22:27] <EliteGod> Bashing-om: I know that, yes. but as this laptop has no important data, I think I'll try to see how well it will hold up. let's say that this is a very old laptop, AMD CPU E-300 (or something like that)
[22:28] <EliteGod> if it starts to complain, I'll make it a home server and done
[22:28] <amansx> cgipython try killing nautilus
[22:28] <amansx> I'm assuming you're running a UI
[22:28] <Bashing-om> EliteGod: (x)ubuntu I find is faster on my old hardware than (U)buntu. Just saying :D
[22:29] <cgipython> amansx, /dev/sdc is still read only
[22:29] <amansx> try this killall nautilus
[22:29] <amansx> take out the flash drive and plug it back again
[22:29] <amansx> now try that dd command
[22:30] <EliteGod> Bashing-om: I'm considering that, yes. I'm already on Eoan and it is a bit sluggish. I guess that there's no differences when comes to the server version? I mean, there's no GUI at all
[22:30] <cgipython> amansx, same problem
[22:30] <amansx> hmm
[22:30] <amansx> cgipython try dosfsck /dev/sdc1
[22:31] <amansx> see what it says
[22:31] <amansx> unmount it first of course
[22:31] <tomreyn> amansx: right, /usr/share/tasksel/descs/ubuntu-tasks.desc is part of package tasksel-data, which (i think) isn't installed by default, and isn't used by apt. https://askubuntu.com/questions/252056/should-i-use-tasksel-tasks-in-apt-or-install-regular-metapackages#answers discusses how apt retrieves info on available tasks. so from the configured apt repositories.
[22:31] <Kristine54> Installed Ubuntu lts 20.04, but screen is blank after login screen. Mouse cursor is visible though. Can anybody help me solve the problem?
[22:32] <cgipython> fsck.fat 4.1 (2017-01-24)
[22:32] <cgipython> open: Read-only file system
[22:32] <amansx> tomreyn gotcha, thanks for the info, this is amazing
[22:33] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[22:34] <amansx> cgipython I have one last suggestion for you that has worked many a times, gparted is sorta buggy at times, I'd recommend rebooting into text mode and trying this
[22:34] <amansx> the dd command
[22:34] <amansx> and the UI services don't always help
[22:34] <amansx> @Kristine54 what's your GPU?
[22:35] <amansx> maek and model?
[22:35] <Kristine54> Nvidia gtx 1050
[22:35] <amansx> linux distro?
[22:35] <amansx> I mean ubuntu version?
[22:35] <Kristine54> Ubuntu lts 20.04 the latest one
[22:35] <tomreyn> Kristine54: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseNotes#Installer_and_live_session
[22:37] <amansx> Kristine54 were you able to install it okay? as in did you see a UI while installing?
[22:38] <Kristine54> tomreyn seems like that is the problem. But I already installed it without 3rd party option. Is there a workaround to fix the issue without reinstalling it with 3rd party option?
[22:38] <amansx> Kristine54 you'll have to enable the sources in apt sources
[22:38] <Kristine54> amansx I had some issue while installing, GUI froze time to time. But eventually I was able to install it
[22:38] <amansx> after booting into the text only mode
[22:39] <amansx> Kristine54 I reckoned, boot into text only mode, add sources to your apt source lst and install nvidia drivers
[22:39] <Kristine54> Ok lemme try
[22:40] <kinghat> oerheks:  https://irc.kinghat.xyz/uploads/18fc42fb06551f1d/Screenshot_20200424-173951.png
[22:41] <oerheks> oh you try to install xubuntu on a 2 gb drive??
[22:41] <kinghat> ?
[22:42] <kinghat> trying to get Ubuntu or a spin installed on 2gb drive
[22:42] <kinghat> not the ISO
[22:42] <oerheks> that screenshot does not like to be the usb creator?
[22:42] <oerheks> oh
[22:43] <oerheks> no, that is not possible, even xubuntu takes 5-6-7 gb..
[22:43] <Kristine54> amansx I went to root shell prompt from recovery mode. Ok lemme try installing Nvidia driver.
[22:43] <kinghat> ugh
[22:43] <Kristine54> amansx do you guys recommend doing it in particular fashion?
[22:43] <oerheks> i would say 32 gb, but it will be horribly slow
[22:44] <oerheks> you could, put xubuntu on it, and use the rest as persistence storage
[22:44] <oerheks> mksusb
[22:45] <Kristine54> amansx am I supposed to do this?sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ; sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall
[22:45] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/mkusb#Persistent_live_systems
[22:45] <tomreyn> Kristine54: if you already installed ubuntu, you just need to run ubuntu-drivers
[22:45] <kinghat> oerheks I'm not going to actually use it I just want to use it as a grub bootstrap USB till I get around to doing a fresh install of my main os
[22:45] <amansx> ^
[22:45] <tomreyn> Kristine54: actually what you just pasted is better
[22:45] <oerheks> oh
[22:46] <Bashing-om> Kristine54: networking enabled in root account: then ' apt update ; apt upgrade ; ubuntu-drivers autoinstall ' . Have the system here choose the driver to install.
[22:46] <kinghat> and I'll just leave the USB plugged in
[22:46] <oerheks> so, it is not ubuntu after all
[22:46] <oerheks> interesting
[22:46] <kinghat> ?
[22:46] <kinghat> what's not Ubuntu?
[22:47] <cgi> amansx, nothing works
[22:48] <cgi> no matter what i do with this usb drive - it is read only
[22:48] <Kristine54> Ok cool, it's installing
[22:49] <Bashing-om> Kristine54: "autoinstall" ?? if so reboot to see the effect.
[22:50] <Kristine54> Bashing-om yay!!! It worked. 😁 Thanks to all of you.
[22:50] <amansx> cgi try reformatting it on a windows machine
[22:50] <Bashing-om> Kristine54: Thanks to ubuntu - great OS that it is :P
[22:50] <amansx> could be a filesystem driver issue
[22:51] <Kristine54> Haha I still need to check if it will support my external monitor next 😅
[22:51] <cgi> amansx, how can a usb drive be write protected in ubuntu!
[22:51] <tomreyn> kinghat: the smallest installation you can probably create is using debootstrap. you'd still need to chroot into the installtion, install a kernel, run mkinitramfs, grub-install, and probably run some more packages.
[22:52] <oerheks> kinghat, so you want to have a bootloading grub installed, to access an internal os.
[22:52] <tomreyn> kinghat: where i wrote "and probably run some more packages" i actually meant "and probably install some more packages"
[22:52] <amansx> cgi could be a driver issue, it may be trying to protect your data due to a bad sector or something
[22:52] <aendruk> Why is `-d` required to upgrade from 19.10 to 20.04 LTS? Is that by design (yesterday's release is indeed considered a development release) or just a quirk that should resolve with time?
[22:52] <kinghat> got ya tomreyn
[22:54] <sarnold> aendruk: when 20.04 is a bit more stable and better tested, we'll change https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release or https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-development  or both to 'let' the upgrader go without any extra hurdles
[22:54] <Bashing-om> aendruk: 20.04 remains in the (d)evelopment channel until the .1 release.
[22:55] <kinghat> oerheks: if I install whatever Ubuntu onto a regular drive it installs it's grub and I use that because my main os grub is borked. I put windows on my spare drive so I can do that anymore so I'm looking to put Ubuntu on one of my small cheap USB drives so I can use it for functioning grub till I reinstall my main os
[22:55] <Nick01> Hey
[22:55] <kinghat> because I'm tired of trying to fix grub
[22:55] <Nick01> Finally done ppl to talk to.
[22:55] <Nick01> some*
[22:55] <oerheks> depends, is it a legacy or uefi bios? https://askubuntu.com/questions/897516/installing-grub-on-an-usb-stick-keep-having-this-cannot-find-efi-directory-er
[22:56] <amansx> tomreyn quick question, when you design a metapackage can you enable a systemd service inside it on installation?
[22:56] <Nick01> So how is unbuntu these days? It's been awhile since I've had
[22:56] <kinghat> efi
[22:56] <Nick01> an install
[22:57] <aendruk> Thanks. I read that about LTS→LTS, but the same applies to 19.10, just incidentally?
[22:57] <amansx> Nick01 like any other linux distro, it sucks at times and at times in a good way
[22:57] <Nick01> I haven't used it since Windows crashed on me
[22:57] <tomreyn> amansx: meta packages really have no contents, just install other packages by means of dependencies.
[22:58] <Nick01> Ubuntu 10, I think
[22:58] <Nick01> How far has it progressed?
[22:58] <oerheks> kinghat, also a help https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Multiboot_USB_drive
[22:58] <amansx> I see, thanks, I'm assuming d-i/debian installer enables services as a separate script file
[22:58] <Bashing-om> Nick01: Here is sysyem support - general chat is #ubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-discuss :D
[22:58] <tomreyn> Nick01: to discuss ubuntu, please join #ubuntu-discuss (as a registered user)
[22:59] <Nick01> Thanks!
[22:59] <Kristine54> Nope, still didn't support HDMI monitor in Ubuntu lts 20.04, Nvidia gtx1050. Can anybody help me with it?
[23:01] <amansx> Kristine54 what do you mean? doesn'
[23:01] <amansx> doesn't support HDR?
[23:01] <amansx> or the monitor itself won't show anything?
[23:02] <Nick01> I joined ubuntu-discuss. Are there any other general chat rooms I can join?
[23:03] <Kristine54> amansx yah, I meant display is blank. In setting>display it won't show the monitor either
[23:04] <tomreyn> !irc | Nick01
[23:05] <amansx> Kristine54 multi-monitor setup?
[23:05] <amansx> or just a single monitor?
[23:06] <Kristine54> Just one HDMI monitor beside laptop screen
[23:07] <amansx> Kristine54 try Applications > System Tools > Administration
[23:07] <amansx> try nvidia settings or something
[23:08] <amansx> sorry I don't use the UI
[23:09] <Nick01> Do you guys like the Oculus Rift?
[23:09] <Kristine54> amansx confused, what did you want me to do?
[23:10] <amansx> in the settings search for "nvidia x server"
[23:10] <amansx> there try to search for the second monitor
[23:11] <Kristine54> Mine don't show any options other than picking prime nvidia or Intel
[23:11] <amansx> try nvidia
[23:11] <amansx> and see if you can find it there
[23:12] <woenx> Does anyone know if the software Xsane is still supported?
[23:12] <woenx> apparently it's the best scanning software out there for linux, but it look as if it was last updated in... 1996?
[23:12] <Kristine54> Ok Nvidia is chosen right now, maybe I need to try Intel next
[23:13] <Bashing-om> !info xsane | woenx
[23:14] <woenx> I'd like to report a few bugs, but I don't know where to adress them
[23:14] <Bashing-om> !bug | woenx
[23:17] <woenx> thanks Bashing-om
[23:22] <Bashing-om> woenx: np :D
[23:26] <Nick01> What do you guys think about the Oculus Rift?
[23:26] <Nick01> Sorry wrong room
[23:28] <woenx> I'd like to try it someday
[23:34] <woenx> I have reported a couple bugs about xsane... but now I have been browsing other bugs for this software, some of them I also share.... and they are from 2009 and have not been responded since.
[23:34] <woenx> My hopes are not very high in this regard...
[23:36] <CVirus> Any clue why haven't I received a prompt yet to upgrade to 20.04?
[23:37] <sarnold> CVirus: we don't flip that switch immediately, we normally wait  a while to let early adoptors find and report bugs
[23:37] <Bashing-om> CVirus: The update channel opens with the .1 release.
[23:37] <CVirus> aha .. got that.. thanks a lot!
[23:38] <tripelb> Frustration continues. Lets be simple. How can I tell if a usb is locked?
[23:38] <Bashing-om> !ltsupgrade | CVirus
[23:38] <tripelb> Does it have to be mounted to tell?
[23:38] <Kristine54> Ok I tried using Intel, it still doesn't show HDMI monitor
[23:39] <CVirus> @Bashing-om, is it also the case if I'm upgrading from 19.10?
[23:40] <Bashing-om> tripelb: what shows ' sudo fuser -m /dev/sdXY ' where the sdXY is the target drive as identified from sudo parted -l .
[23:41] <Bashing-om> CVirus: Yup - 20.04 remians in the development channel until.
[23:42] <CVirus> aha.. thanks again!
[23:42] <tripelb> Bashing-om Does the drive have to be mounted to see the XY? After I unmounted the drive I couldn't see it in gparted. I have to learn these things above my pay grade because I need to make a Buddhist nooo boot disk. But the boot disc making fails and I can't tell when I should take the drive out and then the drive gets locked and I'm frustrated.
[23:44] <tripelb> Bashing-om I just saw the part about querying parted first
[23:44] <tripelb> Lsblk Does not see the drive when it's not mounted. I need a lesson in teaching me about how to look at drive so I don't have to ask you guys all these detailed questions. I want to learn
[23:45] <Bashing-om> tripelb: only sees what is available to mount. IF the target drive is a Windows file system, ubuntu only has limited assests to access the device; and less to repair any issues.
[23:45] <cgi> I cant reformat a fat32 usb that i have - so cant install it on a new system :(
[23:45] <tripelb> It's a mint boot disc.
[23:45] <cgi> Bashing-om, but ubuntu should be able to wipe a drive and reformat - cant do that even
[23:46] <tripelb> Bashing-om The parted response says nothing about SDA or SDB anything
[23:46] <Bashing-om> cgi: No longer Windows literate here - but, is the USB devise mountable at all ?
[23:47] <cgi> Bashing-om, I can read it - but when i try to wipe it - readonly - everything - even dd
[23:47] <tripelb> It does show me where the EXT4 and the Linux swap are. I don't know why I have two Linux swaps. The rest of the files are either Windows called Microsoft reserve partition or NTFS basic data partition. I use Windows to partition the whole drive so I could put more than one Linux system on it
[23:48] <Kristine65> Still trying to make HDMI external monitor work with Ubuntu lts 20.04 with Nvidia/Intel graphics.
[23:48] <Bashing-om> tripelb: Open a terminal and trun ' journalctl -f ' and plug in the drive. does the system see it in journalctl's output ?
[23:49] <tripelb> Bashing-om maybe I should have said the drive is plugged in and unmounted. I unmounted it.
[23:49] <cgi> Bashing-om, FAT-fs (sdc1): error, fat_get_cluster: invalid start cluster (i_pos 0, start 501317e0) - found this when i did journalctl
[23:49] <Bashing-om> cgi: what results ' sudo ntfsfix /dev/sdXY ' where as above XY refers to the actual target.
[23:49] <tripelb> Okay now I left the drive plugged in and it tells me stuff
[23:50] <cgi> Bashing-om, its a FAT32
[23:50] <cgi> fdisk -l => /dev/sdc1          64 126058495 126058432 60.1G  c W95 FAT32 (LBA)
[23:52] <Bashing-om> cgi: I expect will also work on a Fat file system = sudo ntfsfix /dev/sdc1 .
[23:52] <tripelb> Bashing-om I did the journal list
[23:52] <cgi> NTFS signature is missing.
[23:52] <cgi> Unrecoverable error
[23:52] <cgi> Volume is corrupt. You should run chkdsk.
[23:52] <tomreyn> Kristine65: i'm not personally keen to help with nvidia issues, but at this point i would suggest you review your logs and see which nvidia specific errors occur.
[23:53] <cgi> Bashing-om, 0x41: Dirty bit is set. Fs was not properly unmounted and some data may be corrupt.
[23:53] <Bashing-om> cgi: so much for my thinking . guess need to take that advise and find a Windows machine :(
[23:54] <woenx> Does anyone know why Ubuntu's image viewer has a much warmer color than pictures opened with another software (e.g. Gimp)
[23:54] <woenx> it's like it's trying to apply a color profile on its own
[23:55] <tomreyn> settings -> devices -> color   sets color profiles
[23:55] <woenx> Yes, my screen is calibrated, and I have already loaded a profile
[23:55] <woenx> but it's like the image viewer ignores that profile and uses another one instead
[23:55] <tripelb> Bashing-om i just did df -Th but I cannot understand the output. (Squashes and loops are foreign to me)
[23:56] <woenx> and it looks even warmer (my screen is set at 5000k)
[23:56] <Bashing-om> tripelb: Pastebin the output and we can discuss then what you do not understand.
[23:57] <woenx> (yes, changing the color profile also affects the picture displayed in "Picture viewer), so it's like it has a yellowish layer on top