[07:03] <Keres> good morning
[07:19] <gbnnn> hi, trying out the new release from a live usb, i get a lot more xruns than when using my current ubuntu set up (just having jack and hydrogen running)
[07:20] <gbnnn> is it a common issue when running from the live usb?
[07:43] <shaban238> Eickmeyer hi there.  i just want to thank you again for the amazing work :)
[08:11] <Keres> anyone up?
[08:13] <Keres> nothing, no PCI card detected at all
[08:13] <Keres> how do i install an EWS 88 MT in Ubustu20.04?
[08:25] <StevenJayCohen> <gbnnn "is it a common issue when runnin"> Is it USB 2? I did my check from a USB 3 port/device. *Maybe* the difference in throughput *could possibly* show up as overruns?
[08:25] <gbnnn> i'm using the internal soundcard
[08:26] <gbnnn> on the current plain ubuntu setup with the current soundcard i almost don't get any xrun
[08:26] <StevenJayCohen> I meant that the key was inserted via USB3
[08:26] <gbnnn> oh
[08:26] <gbnnn> well the key itself is probably usb2
[08:26] <gbnnn> i mean the pen drive
[08:27] <StevenJayCohen> I checked before installing too. I made sure that I was in via USB3, can't try a USB2 port at the moment to see if I get different performance
[08:27] <gbnnn> but i would think everything is in my ram by then
[08:28] <Keres> good morning
[08:28] <gbnnn> all my ports are usb-c, but i don't know whether they are usb3, how can i check this? The bottleneck in this case would be the pen drive probably though, it's kind of old
[08:28] <StevenJayCohen> Right pen drive == key (different words same thing). And, I agree it should all be in ram. Just trying to think this through with you.
[08:28] <StevenJayCohen> If they're C then this shouldn't be an issue unless there is an adapter on the pen drive
[08:29] <gbnnn> there is an adapter between the pen drive and the laptop yes
[08:29] <StevenJayCohen> Can you check if that adapter is USB 1, 2, or 3?
[08:30] <StevenJayCohen> Another diff for me was that I was using an external audio interface for my sound card
[08:30] <Keres> can someone help me insall a 20yo sound card?
[08:31] <StevenJayCohen> SHouldn't an old sound card get recognized automatically (the joy of old gear)?
[08:32] <Keres> it used to be that way
[08:32] <Keres> it is an EWS Terratec 88 MT
[08:32] <Keres> it used to be rock solid
[08:34] <Keres> i had to move, change jobs, i pulled this box out of storage
[08:34] <StevenJayCohen> gbnnn: Interesting article - https://www.howtogeek.com/179803/usb-2.0-vs.-usb-3.0-should-you-upgrade-your-flash-drives/
[08:34] <gbnnn> StevenJayCohen: i'm not too familiar with lsusb, but this seems to indicate that it's usb3
[08:34] <StevenJayCohen> Keres: So it used to work in Linux?
[08:34] <Keres> i think so
[08:34] <gbnnn> Bus 002 Device 002: ID 056e:6025 Elecom Co., Ltd
[08:34] <gbnnn> Device Descriptor:
[08:34] <gbnnn> Couldn't open device, some information will be missing
[08:34] <gbnnn>   bcdUSB               3.00
[08:34] <Keres> but i think in windows
[08:34] <gbnnn> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub
[08:35] <Keres> not sure... the disk from this machine was cannibilized
[08:35] <StevenJayCohen> gbnnn: okay, so not that. What else could cause xruns...
[08:36] <StevenJayCohen> Keres: I'd google for people trying to install it in linux to find precedent. It is possible that it was never supported under linux. Before things standardized that happened quite a bit.
[08:37] <StevenJayCohen> gbnnn: And, you are using Ubuntu Studio Controls to run JACK in both cases?
[08:37] <gbnnn> ah no i just started qjackct
[08:37] <Keres> they say it is mudita24
[08:37] <Keres> i have been searching
[08:37] <Keres> some people have it working
[08:38] <StevenJayCohen> gbnnn: on both machines?
[08:38] <gbnnn> yes, it's the same machine
[08:38] <gbnnn> usually i start qjackctl, then supercollider, and have very very few xruns
[08:39] <StevenJayCohen> so both via normal startup and via pen drive you used qjackctl with the same settings?
[08:39] <gbnnn> yes
[08:39] <Keres> "I have my old EWS88MT working fine with Ubuntu 8.10. I hope that this helps you. "
[08:39] <Keres> yes there is a driver
[08:39] <Keres> but i think my problem is something else
[08:39] <gbnnn> i'll try again later tonight, maybe i wasn't paying enough attention to the settings
[08:40] <StevenJayCohen> gbnnn: Why not use Ubuntu Studio Controls?
[08:40] <gbnnn> but since this is my only laptop with all my wfh setup already done, i cannot switch to ubuntu studio if i'm not 100% sure things will be better
[08:41] <gbnnn> ah it's my first try at ubuntu studio, i didn't know about this app, i'll try this
[08:41] <Keres> yeah, i remember running puppy and seing this card show up as envy24
[08:41] <Keres> there is a driver for ubuntu
[08:42] <Keres> its just that my system doesn't see the PCI card
[08:42] <Keres> lspci= nothing
[08:42] <StevenJayCohen> And you had it search for proprietary drivers in software update?
[08:43] <Keres> well i just had the box below detect a delta 44 with the same thing/
[08:43] <StevenJayCohen> gbnnn: It runs JAck for you and sets up the pulse/asla brige and everything
[08:43] <Keres> was ubuntu studio 16.10
[08:43] <Keres> it workd out of the box
[08:43] <Keres> this new box, was my main box before i moved
[08:44] <Keres> since i moved, i had a few setback
[08:44] <Keres> like,.,. flood
[08:44] <StevenJayCohen> <StevenJayCohen "And you had it search for propri"> Keres:  ^^^
[08:44] <Keres> so i lost all my CDs and books
[08:45] <Keres> search for additional drivers?
[08:45] <Keres> no none
[08:46] <StevenJayCohen> Then check back in this channel later when someone better with hardware is on. If the card runs under linux but isn't being seen at all, I'm at a loss.
[08:46] <Keres> maybee it is too old for 64bit drivers?
[08:46] <StevenJayCohen> could be a 32 bit card, true
[08:47] <StevenJayCohen> you could grab a 32 bit distro and check
[08:47] <Keres> ok, so i was trying to find old versions... can you shoot me some links?
[08:48] <StevenJayCohen> Load up a 32bit Lubuntu and then, if it is recognized, ass Ubuntu Studio to that
[08:48] <Keres> Lubuntu is different than Xubuntu?
[08:48] <StevenJayCohen> Keres: THe x86 link here: https://lubuntu.net/
[08:49] <Keres> then ass it huh?
[08:49] <Keres> what is assing in?
[08:49] <StevenJayCohen> Xubuntu uses XFCE Lubuntu uses LXDE or LXQT and is meant for older or lower powered devices and can even run on a raspberry pie well
[08:50] <Keres> oh
[08:50] <StevenJayCohen> They are all Ubuntu under the hood. Each flavor uses their own UI stuff
[08:50] <Keres> well, i have to get some HQ shit working soon or i will miss deadlines
[08:50] <Keres> good thing i have this hardware CD recorder next to me
[08:51] <Keres> but linux is better for audio, WHEN you can get it working
[08:52] <StevenJayCohen> Try the x86 version of Lubuntu. If it sees the card and you want Studio, drop to the terminal and sudo apt install ubuntu-studio-installer
[08:52] <Keres> ardour is amazing
[08:53] <StevenJayCohen> Realize that in 32bit mode, you will have all of the 32bit memory limitations though. So, if it is seen in a 32bit OS, then you may want a newer card instead
[08:55] <Keres> well, lemmie try Lubuntu
[10:26] <gbnnn> hi again, running from the live usb now, still getting a lot of xruns, but this time without sound
[10:30] <StevenJayCohen> that is odd. Did you choose your device in Ubuntu Studio Controls?
[10:31] <gbnnn> yes
[10:31] <StevenJayCohen> Can you paste that screen here?
[10:33] <gbnnn> hmm what's an easy way to do that?
[10:33] <gbnnn> https://imgur.com/ZXt1Zn0.png
[10:33] <gbnnn> found it
[10:33] <StevenJayCohen> screenshot utility then paste :)
[10:34] <StevenJayCohen> checking
[10:34] <StevenJayCohen> It says no xruns
[10:34] <gbnnn> no more xruns after i fixed the samplerate
[10:34] <gbnnn> but no sound
[10:35] <gbnnn> just trying to play a youtube video for now
[10:35] <StevenJayCohen> oh, right... thinking
[10:35] <StevenJayCohen> and if you restart the browser, no dice? and you did not uninstall pulse?
[10:36] <gbnnn> i have tried restarting the browser, now trying with hydrogen, still no luck
[10:36] <StevenJayCohen> pulse audio is installed, yes?
[10:36] <gbnnn> i haven't uninstalled anything, still running from the live usb
[10:37] <StevenJayCohen> thinking
[10:37] <StevenJayCohen> restarting jack?
[10:37] <gbnnn> well no more xruns, that's already a thing!
[10:38] <StevenJayCohen> The people who would know this answer immediately are all asleep. Yesterday's release took a lot out of them.
[10:38] <gbnnn> just closed hydrogen, the browser window with the video and restarted jack, still no sound
[10:39] <gbnnn> ahahah i'm pretty sure it did yes!
[10:39] <StevenJayCohen> Can you install a second browser via apt like sudo apt install epiphany-browser?
[10:39] <gbnnn> i'll try again this week end probably
[10:40] <StevenJayCohen> I see that you are in a browser session with us via IRC and I want to see if a new browser session is affected as well
[10:40] <StevenJayCohen> epiphany installs as Web (generic name)
[10:40] <StevenJayCohen> try a youtube video there
[10:41] <gbnnn> ok
[10:42] <StevenJayCohen> I did kind of have this issue at one point and am trying to remember what I did
[10:42] <gbnnn> no sound in epiphany either
[10:42] <StevenJayCohen> Okay, so neither browser can find pulse audio
[10:43] <gbnnn> the video is playing though
[10:43] <StevenJayCohen> right, it isn't paused, muted?
[10:43] <gbnnn> on my current ubuntu, if supercollider takes over for instance, the video will stop immediately
[10:43] <gbnnn> exactly
[10:43] <StevenJayCohen> for me it was paused when pulse fell over
[10:44] <gbnnn> not paused not muted
[10:44] <gbnnn> but no sound
[10:44] <StevenJayCohen> so, you can hear other sounds?
[10:44] <gbnnn> none
[10:44] <gbnnn> hydrogen also not making any sound
[10:45] <StevenJayCohen> What does it say in the control panel about volume
[10:45] <StevenJayCohen> and devices
[10:45] <wingedrhino> Just did my first run with 20.04. Pretty good! Curious - why is the default settings in Ubuntu Studio Controls for Jack at 48000/1024/2 instead of say 48000/256/3, which all onboard soundcards can handle? Also gives you an integer latency number.
[10:45] <StevenJayCohen> I am in gnome right now, not xfce, so I can't remember names of things
[10:45] <gbnnn> in open pulse control?
[10:46] <gbnnn> there seems to be a webkitWebProcess making sound
[10:46] <gbnnn> aaaaah
[10:46] <gbnnn> i have sound
[10:46] <gbnnn> just not going to my headphones
[10:46] <gbnnn> coming through my laptop speakers
[10:47] <StevenJayCohen> gbnnn: Cool!
[10:47] <gbnnn> when i unplug my phones
[10:47] <gbnnn> with the heqdphones plugged in, no sound
[10:47] <StevenJayCohen> gbnnn: I knew it was something like that.
[10:47] <StevenJayCohen> In the System Preferences, do you see anything about sound output devices?
[10:49] <gbnnn> there is only one output device: jack sink pulse out
[10:49] <StevenJayCohen> gbnnn: I did have something siilar to ths, but opposite where it thought my headset was still plugged in and kept the speakers muted
[10:49] <gbnnn> ok found it
[10:49] <gbnnn> i need to open QASmixer
[10:49] <StevenJayCohen> Where was it?
[10:50] <gbnnn> set the level of my headphones there and unmute them
[10:50] <StevenJayCohen> So, no xruns and you have sound now?
[10:50] <gbnnn> yes/
[10:51] <gbnnn> thank you!
[10:51] <StevenJayCohen> We did it! It was like the blind leading the blind, but we did it!
[10:52] <gbnnn> not sure i am ready to put this on my workstation though, lots of online meetings these days, i am concerned i will have to fumble a lot for every meeting
[10:52] <gbnnn> but at least i can explore from the live usb now!
[10:53] <StevenJayCohen> what software do you use for meetings?
[10:54] <gbnnn> zoom mostly
[10:54] <gbnnn> skype also
[10:56] <StevenJayCohen> zoom from their site via the deb is easier to setup than the zoom snap in the store. The one from the store needs to be manually connected to services to work
[10:56] <gbnnn> ok
[10:56] <StevenJayCohen> snaps don't interact well with the underlying sound system. That's why there won't be things like an Ardour snap, for example
[10:58] <wingedrhino> gbnnn, try what I did. I mounted a USB drive into VirtualBox and installed it there. Now I can use UbuntuStudio without touching my laptop
[10:58] <StevenJayCohen> So, something to consider gbnnn  would be uninstalling the snap store, installing the regular store via apt and adding in both the snap bridge and the flatpack bridge. That way, you can use the store but check all formats in one place
[10:58] <wingedrhino> gbnnn, I just got this working like 40 minutes ago https://github.com/wingedrhino/DistroSetup/tree/trunk/Manjaro#setup-virtualbox-in-manjaro
[10:59] <StevenJayCohen> I just wish there were a preference where I could say the order I'd prefer (deb first, for example)
[10:59] <gbnnn> i think i'll just install everything from debs
[11:00] <StevenJayCohen> gbnnn: That's what I do. But, I leave the snap and flatpack stuff connected in case I need it ever. So far, I haven't
[11:01] <StevenJayCohen> You'll see that the store is actually a snap. It wasn't working quite right, so I replaced it with a deb
[11:02] <StevenJayCohen> My hope is that eventually the best of snaps and the best of flatpacks merge and we just have SnapPacks or something at some point down the road. Both projects have their pluses. And the goal of a rock solid undercarriage of an OS is a good one
[11:03] <gbnnn> ah yes that would be the best indeed! not sure when this might happen though
[11:04] <wingedrhino> Is Zoom's .deb working for either of you in 20.04? Around half way through this month (in 18.04 LTS), I had this weird problem where it started using way too much CPU. I now attend Zoom meetings via Chromium.
[11:04] <StevenJayCohen> Yes, works well, ran a meeting 2 days ago in 20.04
[11:05] <wingedrhino> Aah sweet. I did a test-install of 20.04 on my USB and I'll now install it on my other laptop.
[11:06] <wingedrhino> Do you guys have any LV2 or LADSPA plugins you recommend for background noise reduction, live?
[11:06] <gbnnn> i had skype ramp up crazy cpu usage but zoom was ok mostly
[11:07] <wingedrhino> I take all my calls from my home studio at the moment, so the mic is pretty clear. I route my audio through Ardour anyway. So thinking of doing this thing where I put a noise gate and then some sort of a plugin that cancels certain ambient frequencies from my voice for when I'm using a headset mic.
[11:07] <gbnnn> if i decide to use install gnome on ubuntustudio, everything will work the same? or if that's what i want i should just use ubuntustudio installer on a plain ubuntu?
[11:08] <gbnnn> i was told to use ubuntustudio because you guys have the only distro properly setup to not have xruns because of hard to track wifi setup issues
[11:08] <StevenJayCohen> gbnnn: Other way around. Install regular Ubuntu then sudo apt install ubuntu-studio-installer
[11:09] <gbnnn> i hadn't realized until today this was an option
[11:09] <StevenJayCohen> that will give you an isntaller where you can choose the kernel, the jack setup, and any of the softwre that you need
[11:09] <gbnnn> i'll try this first! could save me a lot of hassle reconfiguring my whole workstation
[11:09] <StevenJayCohen> installer*
[11:09] <wingedrhino> gbnnn, You'd probably find KDE to be even better :D
[11:09] <gbnnn> i don't want to go through the whole samba setup again for my work
[11:10] <StevenJayCohen> gbnnn: Yep, and XFCE is fast and easy
[11:10] <gbnnn> i guess i just got too used to gnome
[11:10] <gbnnn> another very minor problem right now is that i cannot use tap to click on my trackpad
[11:11] <StevenJayCohen> What I would do -- CloneZilla (or some other backup your current setup), then try the Ubuntu + studio setup. If you have issues, revert using CLoneZilla
[11:11] <wingedrhino> StevenJayCohen, I think the main pros of Gnome and KDE are some of the integrations their file managers have. I couldn't find the equivalent on Xfce for KDE Connect for example.
[11:11] <StevenJayCohen> gbnnn: That's in system preferences, it may be off by default
[11:11] <wingedrhino> But Gnome doesn't feel like a desktop.
[11:12] <wingedrhino> So I find myself using Xfce or KDE, depending on how old the laptop is.
[11:12]  * StevenJayCohen is typing this from a Ubuntu + Studio setup in gnome 3
[11:12] <gbnnn> oh yes so easy
[11:12] <gbnnn> perfect
[11:13] <StevenJayCohen> Gnome 3 is meant to be keyboard and search driven, kinda like vim (oddly enough)
[11:14] <StevenJayCohen> gbnnn: probably the safest way to test it out :)
[11:15] <wingedrhino> Yeah but KDE is sort of like the best of all worlds. As long as you disable baloo file search that is. That hogs CPU, especially if you have a lot of small files you pulled into your node_modules in multiple projects.
[11:16] <StevenJayCohen> wingedrhino: then you'll be happy for 20.10 because they are migrating to Plasma
[11:16] <wingedrhino> StevenJayCohen, who's they? UbuntuStudio?
[11:17] <wingedrhino> If so, that'd be an early christmas :D
[11:17] <wingedrhino> KDE AND Ardour 6!
[11:17] <StevenJayCohen> Yep, it will default to Plasma instead of XFCE in 20.10. We should move this to the non-support channel. Since this is supposed to be for issues only.
[11:18] <StevenJayCohen> ubuntustudio-offtopic is where we should go
[11:24] <gbnnn> ok i'll log off, thanks again for your help!
[14:31] <josefvin> speccy
[14:53] <fSharp> hello, I cant upgrade ubuntu-studio from 19.04. I tried online posts but didnt work, in which I edit sources.list...updater shows "upgrade" but nothing happens when I select it.
[15:18] <mrz80> I see in the release announcement that due to kernel issues Firewire is no longer going to be supported. Can someone shed some more light on what the issues were? Has firewire been dropped from the most recent kernel development?
[15:18] <mrz80> I was kind of counting on being able to scoop up some sweet cheap firewire studio gear off Reverb now that everyone's converting to USB :D
[15:31] <Eickmeyer> mrz80: With Firewire, it's a crapshoot. Some of it works with the ALSA Firewire driver, some doesn't and requires that driver to be blacklisted to use FFADO. Basically, Ubuntu Studio Controls will not support Firewire via FFADO but will support it via ALSA.
[15:32] <Eickmeyer> mrz80: Not something we intentionally did, it's just what happened in the Linux kernel.
[15:32] <Eickmeyer> mrz80: That, and we're not in the business of reviving ancient hardware. That's not the purpose of Ubuntu Studio.
[15:32] <mrz80> Ah, so it's a "you rolls the dice and takes your chances" kind of thing.
[15:33] <Eickmeyer> mrz80: Exactly.
[16:08] <OvenWerks> Keres is gone I guess, but his device should just work. It seems to be a ice1712 based device the same as the delta 44/66/1010. At a guess he forgot that the levels have to be turned up the first use because pulse doesn't know how :)
[16:09] <OvenWerks> StevenJayCohen: USB3 audio devices still use the USB2 audio protocole (at the same speed even)
[16:15] <OvenWerks> wingedrhino has gone too, but I was using the zoom deb from the zoom website last night with no problem (maybe less problem than some of the windows users at the same meeting)
[16:16] <OvenWerks> skype and hangouts have been fine as well
[16:25] <OvenWerks> though from the past, skype will not work well with jack set to lower latencies. It's internal buffer must be to big.
[18:58] <DjZU> Hi there, after a successful update from 18.04 to 20.04, I got a crash popup at boot and found 'autojack' report in /var/crash that says : Permission denied: '/var/lib/sendmail/.log'
[20:26] <zoroman> hello there, how can i upgrade my distro to 20.04 LTS? apt-get dist-upgrade just doesn t work...
[20:42] <DjZU> zoroman you should read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuStudio and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FocalUpgrades/UbuntuStudio
[20:49] <zoroman> ok, thanks!
[21:33] <zoroman> i just can t upgrade to 20.04 lts, i try everthing from here:https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FocalUpgrades/UbuntuStudio
[21:34] <zoroman> any idea?
[21:36] <Eickmeyer[m]> zoroman: Upgrades aren't supported yet. It takes a few days for regular versions (19.10) and a few months for LTS to LTS (18.04). That's what you missed from the release announcement and release notes that DjZU was trying to show you.
[22:48] <DjZU> Eickmeyer[m] well, I actually did it.
[22:52] <zoroman> oh, my fault, sorry. Too anxious...
[23:25] <Eickmeyer> DjZU: Like everything in the Linux world, just because you *can* doesn't mean it's supported.
[23:29] <DjZU> @Eickmeyer You are right