[00:21] <Vata0> well running that fresh install
[00:22] <Vata0> xfce seems like its running a little smother and that fresh install helped
[00:23] <Vata0> i have a question tho. how do i add like firefox to my dock and have it locked in place so nothing goes in front of it
[00:25] <Vata0> sorry didnt mean to exit
[01:02] <xu-irc18w> hmm did a 19.10 to 20.04 upgrade seems mostly ok except now i cant start steam
[01:02] <xu-irc18w> weird
[01:03] <xu-irc18w> it says failed to run steam.desktop
[01:06] <xu-irc18w> oh wait i think i gotta enable the other packages back
[01:06] <xu-irc18w> in software and updates
[01:22] <Celso> we will no longer have the xubuntu-restricted-extras package on xubuntu
[02:40] <xu-help94w> How to make an application shortcut for hiding all windows on the screen? For minimizing them. It always was Ctrl+Alt+D (like Win+D in MS Windows) but in 20.04 it does not work :(  I'm so used to this feature because some people like to stare at my screen... lol
[02:42] <xu-help94w> I don't know if it is a problem of mine or of the new release. I've installed Xubuntu 20.04 minimal installation (xubuntu-core) through netboot-installation
[02:43] <xu-help94w> I thought I could find shortcuts in previous releases' keyboard settings, but there are no any shortcuts for such a thing.
[02:43] <kryten> xu-help94w: That's Super+D now.
[02:44] <kryten> ..So like on Windows now.
[02:44] <xu-help94w> What is Super? I thought Super is equal to Ctrl+D
[02:44] <kryten> The "Windows" key.
[02:45] <xu-help94w> I've set up the Windows Key as the one that changes keyboard layouts. Is it the reason of which it doesn't work?
[02:46] <xu-help94w> Yeah... I've just tried and indeed it works when I changed "change layout option" to another key
[02:46] <xu-help94w> thank you!
[02:46] <kryten> Sure!
[02:51] <xu-help94w> It's a pity I have to set another key for changing layouts in order to make Super+D work... I've used to changing layouts with only one key, not a combination of them. Is there a way to create an application shortcut for Ctrl+Alt+D?
[02:52] <xu-help94w> I wonder which terminal command it is...
[02:53] <kryten> Well yeah, in the Window Manager settings you can simply revert it to the previous shortcut - or anything else you like.
[02:55] <xu-help94w> Thank you so much! I was literally staring at Keyboard setting and I did not see it in there
[02:55] <xu-help94w> Now I see it in the Window Manager :)  :)  :0
[02:56] <kryten> Yeah, that separation confuses many..
[03:58] <Andrio> Any idea why df shows 1.1 TB space used on my hard drive even though `tree -h` shows only a handful of files that add up to about 750 GB?
[03:58] <Andrio> (NTFS file system)
[03:58] <Andrio> Probably will just format it anyway
[05:36] <Guest11276> Does anyone know when the new version will be available as an upgrade on the LTS path? I kinda don't want to switch the updater to the develop path for this.
[06:30] <Vata0> is the snap store extremely slow loading for anyone else
[07:41] <Jess6> Are you there?
[08:26] <xu-help2w> Eh, Adwaita icon theme is still broken... I thought it was going to be fixed in 20.04 3:
[08:47] <brainwash> xu-help2w: how is it broken?
[08:47] <xu-help2w> It was broken in 19.10. Many of the icons didn't work. You can check it on the DistroTest site. In 20.04 the same problem... oh
[08:48] <brainwash> probably because Ubuntu splits the Adwaita icon theme into two packages
[08:49] <brainwash> adwaita-icon-theme: default icon theme of GNOME (small subset)
[08:49] <brainwash> adwaita-icon-theme-full: default icon theme of GNOME
[08:49] <brainwash> installing -full should fix the problem
[08:51] <xu-help2w> Thank you a looooot! ^_^ I was waiting half a year for this problem to fade away lol
[08:51] <xu-help2w> Just installed it and it finally works
[08:52] <brainwash> well yeah, I guess this can be confusing for users
[08:52] <brainwash> not sure if this was reported to the Xubuntu deam
[08:54] <brainwash> team
[08:54] <brainwash> bug 1866814
[08:56]  * diogenes_ wonders what was the bug nr.1
[08:56] <xu-help2w> I even know that one.
[08:57] <diogenes_> do tell us please.
[08:58] <xu-help2w> "Microsoft has a majority market share" :)  It is a well-known "bug", because it's become a meme.
[08:58] <xu-help2w> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1
[08:59] <diogenes_> hehe good one thanks.
[09:00] <diogenes_> ug #1 reported by Mark Shuttleworth on 2004-08-20
[09:00] <xu-help2w> :D
[09:00] <diogenes_> Bug*
[09:16] <linuxr> Hello all. I'm planning on installing xubuntu 20.04. But I have read that this is not supported for 5yrs like regular ubuntu. What does this mean, precisely?
[09:18] <brainwash> 3 instead of 5 years
[09:20] <linuxr> does this only affect the xfce packages, and the rest of the packages has regular 5yrs support?
[09:21] <brainwash> rest? the ubuntu core and other packages in the "main" repository have longer support
[09:21] <brainwash> you can check with the terminal command "ubuntu-support-status"
[09:22] <brainwash> !info thunar
[09:22] <brainwash> thunar is in the "universe" repository
[09:23] <brainwash> or it's called channel
[09:24] <linuxr> okay, thanks. This means I'm not necessarily screwed with xubuntu 20.04 after 3yrs
[09:25] <Ajjay> How to add Presentation App in Libre office
[09:52] <todsah> 11:21 < brainwash> you can check with the terminal command "ubuntu-support-status"
[09:52] <todsah> thanks for that!
[09:52] <todsah> Had no idea that was a thing
[11:39] <SDcardhelp> help, i forgetten what i typed in the terminal, it says my sd card has no permission
[11:39] <SDcardhelp> sda                                                                   ├─sda1│    vfat         4D19-9B26                             402.9M    19% /boot/efi├─sda2│    swap         9ffda882-47ed-43d9-8220-ebc654b3c2cb                [SWAP]└─sda3     ext4         4f954dab-0a15-450e-a41c-1cf2e4fe8ffc  414.5G     1% /mmcblk0
[11:40] <SDcardhelp> it can detect but unable to mount as you can see, can anyone help?
[11:41] <SDcardhelp> Didn't work before and after --> sudo apt-get install exfat-fuse exfat-utils
[11:42] <SDcardhelp> HI herby
[11:42] <SDcardhelp> help, i forgotten what i typed in the terminal, it says my sd card has no permissionsda                                                                   ├─sda1│    vfat         4D19-9B26                             402.9M    19% /boot/efi├─sda2│    swap         9ffda882-47ed-43d9-8220-ebc654b3c2cb                [SWAP]└─sda3
[11:42] <SDcardhelp> ext4         4f954dab-0a15-450e-a41c-1cf2e4fe8ffc  414.5G     1% /mmcblk0                                                     it can detect but unable to mount as you can see, can anyone help?Didn't work before and after --> sudo apt-get install exfat-fuse exfat-utils
[12:40] <gst568923> Hi, I would like to upgrade from xubuntu 19.10 to 20.04 by GUI update-manager, but no new notification is shown to me. I have tried to setting "Notify for any version" and "Notify for LTS version"
[12:43] <kgb> gst568923: just do it through the CLI, man..
[12:44] <gst568923> kgb yes I know, but I asked through gui
[12:44] <kgb> just sudo apt clear cache b4 you start and you'll be golden!..:)
[12:45] <kgb> https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-ubuntu-linux-clear-the-package-cache/
[12:45] <kgb> ++ https://askubuntu.com/questions/144222/how-do-apt-get-clean-and-apt-get-clean-all-differ
[12:45] <kgb> =)
[12:47] <gst568923> @ kgb I should run `sudo apt-get clean` ?
[12:50] <gst568923> kgb I have run `sudo apt-get clean` and than update-manager but not works!
[12:55] <brainwash> gst568923: it most likely takes some time until upgrading is available via GUI
[12:55] <brainwash> in case there are some last minute bugs
[12:58] <kgb> brainwash: ok, well for GUI you've got: 1) Synaptic and 2) Aptitude
[12:59] <brainwash> I was talking about update-manager
[12:59] <kgb> bt it should be *no* different from the apt package manager.. unless, I don't know what-all you might've added for it not to work. :o
[13:01] <brainwash> "Upgrades from 19.10 will not be enabled until a few days after 20.04's release. Upgrades from 18.04 LTS will not be enabled until a few days after the 20.04.1 release expected in late July 2020."
[13:01] <kgb> there's *some* help for update-manager, like @https://xubuntu.org/m-update-manager/ but why bother with it. =)
[13:02] <kgb> idk., Synaptic is always good to me..
[13:02] <brainwash> you don't seem to understand the matter
[13:02] <kgb> (and Aptitude for 'tricky' leftovers, sometimes; when there are lots of repos added. :))
[13:03] <kgb> oh.
[13:03] <brainwash> this is about upgrading from 19.10 to 20.04
[13:03] <brainwash> via update-manager
[13:04] <kgb> yes ok, got it; bt WHY use update-manager, meh.
[13:04] <brainwash> because it can do release upgrades
[13:19] <kgb> bah, even server instructions say to just "upgrade" and that's that! xD https://assets.ubuntu.com/v1/0032cef9-ubuntu-server-guide.pdf
[13:19] <kgb> aanyway. :)
[13:21] <kgb> and /or simply more examples (& it gets done with three commands, literally), https://www.linuxbabe.com/ubuntu/upgrade-ubuntu-18-04-19-04-to-ubuntu-19-10
[13:22] <kgb> brainwash: honestly, I don't know what's your beef w/update-manager :))
[13:23] <kgb> ... here's more, it's the simplest thing in the world: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Upgrades
[13:24] <kgb> *always has been: https://www.howtogeek.com/351360/how-to-upgrade-to-the-latest-version-of-ubuntu/
[13:24] <brainwash> well okay. one more time for you in case you did not see the message:
[13:24] <brainwash> "Upgrades from 19.10 will not be enabled until a few days after 20.04's release. Upgrades from 18.04 LTS will not be enabled until a few days after the 20.04.1 release expected in late July 2020."
[13:24] <brainwash> there is nothing more to add
[13:25] <kgb> well, ok - but, then, WHY even ask?? :))
[13:27] <brainwash> because the user was not aware of this fact until I shared the information
[13:27] <brainwash> maybe you should scroll up and read the chat log
[13:29] <kgb> i wish!..:) np vps
[13:29] <kgb> err no vps for me
[13:42] <xu-irc13w> Gongratz on 16.04 release:  https://xubuntu.org/screenshots/
[13:51] <DavidJOwens> I'm getting a Panda PAU06 USB wifi adapter to add wifi to a desktop machine running Xubuntu 17.10.  What do I need to do to get it working?  Just plug it in?
[14:00] <busra> xubuntu nasıl kuruluyor 23 bit için?
[14:00] <busra> 32*
[16:54] <Vata0> do we report bugs here?
[17:20] <Hamilton> apt update and upgrade doesn't automatically upgrade to 20.04 right?
[17:24] <diogenes_> Hamilton, right.
[17:25] <Hamilton> diogenes_, I need to issue a `apt dist-upgrade` or something explicitly right?
[17:25] <diogenes_> !upgrade | Hamilton
[17:39] <gst568923> Can I running Xubuntu LiveCD with another language? When I boot in the BIOS system the live usb show me this, and pressing <escape> can I change the language: `https://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/Uefi?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=install_00_precise.png` but when I run live usb into UEFI system the live usb show me only:
[17:39] <gst568923> https://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/AmministrazioneSistema/Uefi?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=grub_20.04.png
[17:45] <kgb> oh, I absolutely loathe localization ^^ everything has been designed, produced in English - original terminology, which often cannot be translated and then people make stuff up and a (majority) consensus is reached... while that translation usually SUCKS, big time. xF
[17:47] <gst568923> @kgb the screenshots are: Can I running Xubuntu LiveCD with another language? When I boot in the BIOS system the live usb show me this, and pressing <escape> I can change the language: `shorturl.at/pGTZ6` but when I run live usb into UEFI system the live usb show me ONLY: `https://i.stack.imgur.com/UZiPB.png`
[17:49] <gst568923> @kgb with mbr system I can change: https://i.stack.imgur.com/ZKC9O.png
[17:49] <gst568923> @kgb with uefi no!
[17:50] <brainwash> you can change the language after booting the Live ISO
[17:50] <brainwash> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWFKxTfUcAURH2g?format=jpg
[17:51] <kgb> gst568923: honestly never had an interest in *anything* which has to do with localization - other than to HOW to enable en_US (and throw away all of those other "en" entries which Ubuntu comes with; wish that could all be fixed to en_US as if useful. :))
[17:51]  * kgb can't type, sheesh!
[17:53] <gst568923> brainwash your screenshot appears before of this screen?: https://i.stack.imgur.com/UZiPB.png
[17:54] <brainwash> after
[17:55] <gst568923> after that I press "Try Ubuntu without installing"?
[17:55] <brainwash> do you open the grub boot menu?
[17:56] <brainwash> normally, it does not open and you just boot to the screen in my screenshot
[17:57] <gst568923> brainwash thanks, i will try again as you are telling me
[17:59] <gst568923> another question: actualy update-manager not notify me of 20.04 new version?
[17:59] <brainwash> it will in few days
[18:02] <gst568923> brainwash ok..., because I have this bug problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-firmware/+bug/1865130
[18:02] <gst568923> brainwash I use open source driver radeon
[18:03] <udzguru> hello everyone.
[18:03] <gst568923> udzguru welcome
[18:03] <brainwash> gst568923: but it says Fix Released
[18:04] <brainwash> in 18.04, 19.10 and 20.04
[18:04] <udzguru> i have an issue with xfce4-settings-manager. no matter how i launch it (via cli or whisker-menu) the window is simply empty and shows no settings
[18:05] <udzguru> anyone got an idea?
[18:05] <brainwash> could be a broken menu file
[18:05] <brainwash> you don't get any error message in the terminal output?
[18:05] <gst568923> brainwash yes, but for ati mobility hd 3450 the problem persist and I have also the screen black, I can run xubuntu only with VGA external port and nomodeset option :(
[18:05] <udzguru> no error output from the cli
[18:06] <brainwash> gst568923: no idea then. you could install 20.04 now if you don't want to wait some more days..
[18:07] <brainwash> udzguru: is that a new issue in 20.04?
[18:07] <udzguru> no i am not yet on 20.04
[18:08] <udzguru> it's 19.10.
[18:08] <udzguru> have not yet been offered the option for the release-upgrade.
[18:09] <udzguru> brainwash: i already searched the internet and found mention of .menu files in ~/.config but there are none for me and I do have the default ones it seems in /etc/xdg/....
[18:09] <brainwash> did settings-manager work fine before? or did some recent change/update introduce this glitch?
[18:09] <gst568923> brainwash I tried to write in the irc section #radeon days ago but there is more silence than a cemetery!
[18:10] <udzguru> it did work when i set up this laptop. somewhere on the way through upgrades it stopped working. i tried to find the error some months ago but ran into a dead end .. now i had time and wanted to give it another shot
[18:11] <udzguru> is there an option to "reset" the settings-manager somehow?
[18:11] <brainwash> not sure. it does not actually save much information other than window size I think.
[18:12] <brainwash> I would create a second user account and check if the problem is affecting this fresh account also
[18:12] <udzguru> this is something i found in ~/.config. an xml file with a window size defined.
[18:13] <udzguru> ok gimme a sec
[18:14] <udzguru> so a freshly created user has all the settings it seems
[18:15] <udzguru> just as i would expect to find for my current user
[18:15] <brainwash> that confirms that there is something wrong with your user account
[18:16] <brainwash> and the settings-manager only stores window size information
[18:16] <udzguru> the question is: what could that be?
[18:16] <brainwash> my guess would still be menu file
[18:16] <brainwash> or GTK theming issue
[18:16] <brainwash> mmh
[18:19] <udzguru> i am pretty clueless ... i did not change anything regarding themes or so ... and the menu file in /etc/xdg/.. looks pretty much stock and contains information about all the settings.
[18:20] <udzguru> at least to my knowledge
[18:22] <brainwash> not sure what to suggest
[18:24] <udzguru> thank you for your support even if we didn't find the solution. i really appreciate people being friendly and helpful ;)
[18:25] <udzguru> i also joined the xfce support channel ... perhaps the guys there have an idea on how to approach this
[18:25] <brainwash> it really is an odd issue :/
[18:26] <udzguru> in very old posts i found there were hints on .menu files in the ~/.config folder. but i searched using catfish and did not find any
[18:27] <Vata0> i camr across a bug with screensaver preview. when i click preview it kills my mouse and i cant get out
[18:29] <Vata0> also there seems to be a bug in firefox. when clicking to copy something it glitches and dosnt let the menu stay up. you have to scroll over it without letting go to copy
[18:31] <Vata0> xubuntu 20.04 fresh install
[18:36] <e3k> hi. got this issue when screen locks: keyboard does not work only mouse so i cant type the password. first noticed when upgrading to 19.04 then on another masine when going from 18lts to 20lts. any ideas?
[18:40] <brainwash> e3k: 20.04 uses the new xfce4-screensaver as screen locker. so, remove the old light-locker and install the new one instead.
[18:41] <e3k> i did disable every lock in screensaver and powermanagement it locks anyway...
[18:41] <brainwash> that shouldn't happen
[18:42] <e3k> the old light-locker? got to check that but currently on some other system. i use ubuntu only at work.
[18:43] <e3k> brainwash - yes it looks that something is locking the session in addition despite the fact i disabled all locks via settings.
[18:43] <brainwash> "old" as in it was replaced
[18:44] <e3k> the only way to workaround i have now to run: service lightdm restart - so i guess it could be lightdm related. any changes there?
[18:44] <brainwash> hard to tell
[18:44] <brainwash> best to check what processes you have running
[18:44] <brainwash> $ ps aux
[18:45] <brainwash> will print them in a terminal window
[18:45] <brainwash> look for "locker" and "screensaver"
[19:21] <abtm> Hi, I installed xubuntu 20.04 yesterday and have a quick question and an fyi
[19:21] <abtm> first the fyi, the libreoffice help does not work
[19:21] <Kryuna> what's the error you're getting?
[19:21] <abtm> reports a permissions issue
[19:22] <Kryuna> what permission issue
[19:22] <abtm> in the end I ended up uninstalling the bundled version and instead installing the current from libreoffice
[19:22] <abtm> I would have to spin up a new vm to give you the error
[19:22] <abtm> need 10 min but I will get it for you
[19:22] <Kryuna> ok
[19:22] <abtm> my quick question is network manager GUI support for wireguard
[19:23] <Kryuna> should be
[19:23] <abtm> supposedly the cli has it
[19:23] <abtm> but I see no way to add a connection via the applet
[19:23] <abtm> even though wireguard is installed
[19:24] <Vata0> is the snap store slow for anyone else?
[19:25] <Kryuna> couldn't tell you, I don't use snap
[19:28] <Vata0> why not
[19:29] <Kryuna> why
[19:29] <Vata0> ?
[19:30] <Kryuna> I can install whatever I need from terminal in 5 seconds and then i never need any apps ever again.
[19:30] <Kryuna> I only use about 5-6 pieces of software on linux
[19:32] <abtm> forgot I had deleted my template (want to rebuild it) so its taking a bit longer to do fresh install from iso.....
[19:35] <abtm> booting now
[19:37] <abtm> error when I try to access libreoffice help (f1)
[19:37] <brainwash> maybe it's not installed
[19:38] <abtm> Object not accessible.  The object cannot be accessed due to insufficient user rights.
[19:38] <Vata0> idk how but my memu seems to be messed up. none of the software programs are showing unless i actually search for them
[19:40] <abtm> also language support is telling me that writing aids for my chosen language (english) are not installed.
[19:41] <abtm> offers to install dictionaries and help files for en-za, gb, au and ca
[19:42] <abtm> is there anything you want me to check or give you on this fresh install vm?
[19:44] <brainwash> is the package "libreoffice-help-en-us" installed?
[19:44] <abtm> let me check
[19:44] <brainwash> no idea if language support would pull that in or not
[19:46] <abtm> yes it is
[19:48] <brainwash> bug 1869561
[19:49] <abtm> ah
[19:49] <abtm> glad it was already known :)
[19:50] <abtm> what about wireguard in network manager gui?
[19:52] <e3k> brainwash i have got no locker running but: 1. /usr/bin/xfce4-screensaver 2. xscreensaver
[19:53] <brainwash> xscreensaver?
[19:53] <e3k> don't ask me why
[19:53] <brainwash> you should probably uninstall it
[19:53] <e3k> probably i shoul
[19:53] <e3k> d
[19:54] <brainwash> unexpected behaviour can occur when two screen lockers try to lock the session
[19:55] <e3k> unexpected behavior can occur when using ubuntu ;)
[19:55] <brainwash> abtm: are you asking if there is support builtin now, or do you have a problem setting it up?
[19:55] <abtm> if built in
[19:55] <abtm> have wireguard module installed
[19:55] <abtm> but cant find a way to add in nm applet
[19:56] <e3k> brainwash ok. uninstalled and will test it on monday. shell i report back when it is fixed (the test will run 8h)
[19:56] <brainwash> abtm: maybe this https://blogs.gnome.org/thaller/2019/03/15/wireguard-in-networkmanager/
[19:56] <abtm> read that
[19:57] <abtm> and read others that confirm gui is avail in kde versions so wanted to know if in xfce as well
[19:57] <brainwash> Xfce does not have/provide a network manager
[19:58] <abtm> we are using the gnome nm applet I believe
[19:58] <brainwash> not sure if it is a gnome project
[19:59] <brainwash> but yes, nm-applet is used in Xubuntu
[19:59] <brainwash> and obviously network-manager
[20:01] <brainwash> abtm: all I can find are tutorials for nmcli or configuration import, so no GUI setup
[20:01] <abtm> got it
[20:41] <Vata0_> did any of yall switch the window mannager out
[20:45] <dispo> any one upgrade from 18.04 to 20.04 ?
[20:45] <dispo> any issues ?
[20:45] <Vata0_> i did on ubuntu stock
[20:45] <Vata0_> worked fine
[20:46] <Vata0_> took way longer then a clean install
[20:46] <lighterowl> I did 19.10 to 20.04 yesterday.
[20:46] <dispo> I've got a custom setup here with my xubuntu
[20:46] <dispo> 18.04
[20:47] <Vata0_> what do u mean custom
[20:48] <dispo> Vata0_: https://i.imgur.com/S7RBBwN.png
[20:49] <Vata0_> how did u add that side bar
[20:49] <dispo> its actually a hidden bar
[20:50] <dispo> or hidden panel
[20:50] <Vata0_> its there by default?
[20:50] <dispo> no I added it
[20:50] <dispo> panel 1
[20:51] <dispo> I dont like ubuntu
[20:51] <dispo> xubuntu is the best distro of them all
[20:51] <dispo> so solid
[20:51] <dispo> you cant go wrong with xfce
[20:51] <dispo> it just works its solid and its a great daily driver
[20:51] <Vata0_> xfce seems just as slow as gnome for me
[20:52] <dispo> Vata0_: crate panel 1 chose deskbar
[20:52] <dispo> row size 26
[20:52] <Vata0_> i found it thx
[20:52] <dispo> number of rows 1
[20:52] <Vata0_> i like ur setup
[20:52] <dispo> automatically hide panel always
[20:52] <dispo> thanks
[20:53] <dispo> :)
[20:54] <Vata0_> hang on ill share mine
[20:57] <Vata0_> https://imgur.com/a/ZcrN6Oa
[20:59] <dispo> nice wallpaper :)
[20:59] <Vata0_> thx
[21:00] <Vata0_> im not done this was just to get me up and goin
[21:00] <dispo> the icon set I use is papirus
[21:00] <dispo> also for the panel I use a separator for each icon
[21:01] <dispo> I might look into adding something in conky
[21:01] <dispo> eventually
[21:01] <dispo> for the background
[21:01] <Vata0_> not a fan of conky
[21:01] <Vata0_> is there a night shift for xubuntu
[21:02] <Vata0_> i cant think of what its actally called right now
[21:03] <dispo> not sure
[21:04] <dispo> you can try compiz docky and plank
[21:04] <dispo> but I prefer to use the defaults as it is
[21:05] <Vata0_> i wish i could think of what its called
[21:06] <Vata0_> ubuntu had it by default
[21:06] <Vata0_> puppy linux even has it
[21:07] <dispo> you should check out irssi
[21:08] <Vata0_> whats that
[21:09] <lighterowl> it's a console IRC client.
[21:09] <lighterowl> I've been using it since I can remember.
[21:09] <Vata0_> im useing hex
[21:10] <lighterowl> cool
[21:15] <Vata0_> he use gtk right
[21:15] <Vata0_> gtk
[21:17] <lighterowl> Vata0_: if you mean dispo , he specifically mentioned using xubuntu
[21:17] <lighterowl> 22:46:29 < dispo> I've got a custom setup here with my xubuntu
[21:17] <Vata0_> fount it
[21:17] <Vata0_> sudo apt-get install redshift-gtk
[21:17] <Vata0_> ur all welcome
[21:18] <lighterowl> okay
[21:18] <lighterowl> I don't enjoy eyecandy, but sure.
[21:18] <Vata0_> mot eye candy
[21:18] <Vata0_> its nightshift
[21:18] <Vata0_> used it on puppy
[21:19] <lighterowl> oh, ok.
[21:19] <Vata0_> https://github.com/jonls/redshift
[21:21] <dispo> will check that out thanks :)
[21:23] <dispo> Vata0_: red shift is in the software center
[21:23] <dispo> repo
[21:23] <dispo> ill get it from there
[21:24] <dispo> works well :)
[21:27] <Vata0_> dam really
[21:28] <dispo> yep that software center rocks
[21:28] <dispo> has everything
[21:30] <Vata0_> i wish this version was like puppys tho
[21:31] <Vata0_> it would allow you to adjust it from a menu and turn it on and test it and stuff
[21:38] <dispo> well I have a menu on the icon
[21:38] <dispo> panel
[21:38] <dispo> if I right click
[21:38] <dispo> with options
[21:43] <Vata0_> i have that but its not like the puppy menu
[21:44] <xu-irc69w> Question... I am on Xubuntu 19.10 and just saw that 20.04 was released... I tried a "sudo do-release-upgrade" but it says no new release found?  I made sure it was flagged for NORMAL vs LTS.  Any ideas?
[21:46] <xu-irc69w> Thanks for any advice...
[21:48] <lighterowl> xu-irc69w: no idea, I did the exact same thing yesterday and it worked "somewhat okay".
[21:48] <Bashing-om> xu-irc69w: 20.04 is still under the development channel - is recommneded to aeait the .1 release, However, if you so desire the 20,04 rlaese now there is the -d flag in do-release-upgrade command to make it happen.
[21:49] <lighterowl> the upgrade process itself wasn't entirely successful, but at least do-release-upgrade found the new release okay.
[21:55] <Noboru55> hello, i am running xubuntu 20.04, after reboot i always get initramfs  and need to run fsck
[21:56] <Noboru55> does it mean i have bad blocks ?
[21:57] <lighterowl> well, it might.
[21:57] <Bashing-om> Noboru55: Consider too hardware issues: what shows from the smartctl tool ? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Smartmontools
[21:57] <lighterowl> it might also mean that your volume is not unmounted properly for some reason while shutting down the system.
[21:59] <Noboru55> in any case, what should i do ?
[22:01] <Bashing-om> Noboru55: My 1st step is to read the system logs - primary is /var/log/syslog .
[22:07] <Noboru55> not sure, maybe when i run the ms office on playonlinux it doesn't close properly
[22:07] <Noboru55> and when i reboot something happens.
[22:08] <lighterowl> yeah, tracking down that "something" is crucial to solve this :)
[22:09] <taxdude> hello
[22:09] <Noboru55> lol
[22:09] <lighterowl> taxdude: please don't take my money!
[22:09] <Noboru55> since it doesn't broken my xubuntu
[22:09] <taxdude> ok
[22:09] <Noboru55> its ok
[22:09] <taxdude> donations only
[22:10] <Vata0_> do the devs of xubuntu actually come here?
[22:10] <taxdude> so is the the update immediately after install that installs the snap-store a bug?
[22:11] <taxdude> after install the first thing I did was to remove snapd, but it wasn't installed
[22:12] <taxdude> then I get a notice about an update and it installs snapd
[22:12] <Noboru55> i gave up to uninstall snapd because many softwares install it like a dependency
[22:12] <Noboru55> example chromium-browser
[22:12] <Noboru55> now going to dinner.
[22:12] <taxdude> is that because of chromium or because of the snap-store
[22:13] <lighterowl> chromium-browser was using snapd in 19.10 already.
[22:13] <taxdude> I wouldn't know, I always install Chrome
[22:14] <taxdude> you are installing it from the Software thing, right? Becuase that has snaps enabled. If you disable snaps I don't think it would install the snap version.
[22:15] <lighterowl> nah, unfortunately that's not the case for Chromium at least.
[22:15] <taxdude> I can test that out on a VM now I think
[22:16] <lighterowl> taxdude: you don't need to :) here's the official announcement : https://snapcraft.io/blog/chromium-in-ubuntu-deb-to-snap-transition
[22:18] <taxdude> guess you are right: apt-cache depends chromium-browser
[22:18] <taxdude> chromium-browser PreDepends: debconf PreDepends: snapd
[22:18] <taxdude> I really don't like snaps :(
[22:19] <lighterowl> me neither
[22:19] <lighterowl> they remind me of snapchat.
[22:21] <dispo> lol
[22:28] <Vata0_> dispo is it possible to make a panel amd have somthing centered without all the seperators