[00:03] <Lernox> Oh ok :/ Because i was kicked (mb for inactivity) and now i cant find the link on kubuntu website. That strange x)
[00:59] <DarwinElf> can one configure 'do-release-upgrade' to load from the .ISO or save elsewhere? (don't have enough room on /)
 @DarwinElf, Try running sudo apt autoremove
 Also, try some of these options to make more room: https://askubuntu.com/questions/57994/root-drive-is-running-out-of-disk-space-how-can-i-free-up-space
[01:01] <DarwinElf> well, I had 0 bytes to autoremove...
[01:02] <DarwinElf> i don consider myself running out of space for normal usage, but for upgrades... I could fit an entire additional huge OS on there, really...
 Is your /home on its own partition?
[01:04] <DarwinElf> yes
[01:04] <DarwinElf> i'm trying some of the commands on that page...
 In that case, I would re-install to root and set the install to use /home without reformatting.  But, that method would require installation of all manually downloaded apps.
[01:06] <DarwinElf> yeah; those are what's taking most the space, and I have another OS and didn't really get as large a drive I wanted... but now I have 8.1GB left...
 Do you have room on other partitions.  For instance, you can break /opt into a separate partition.  That way all your 3rd party apps won't compete with root.
[01:09] <DarwinElf> no; I make sure to just have a reasonable amount of room for /.  You'd think 60GB would be enough, but I use a lot of software, and most is so bloated since before PCs were popular...
 I have zoom, anaconda, wine-devel, wine-staging, teamviewer, telegram, netbeans, google chrome, google earth, filezilla, citrix, brave, android studio all in my /opt directory totaling 10.3GB.  Not sure if yours is similar.
[01:12] <DarwinElf> my /opt is only 1.3GB
 hmmm. ok
[01:16] <DarwinElf> if it doesn't work after I freed almost a GB, I'ĺl just have to reinstall I guess.  Will that prevent me from reinstalling from old software, like what does it mean when it says something is no longer officially maintained, but by the community... will it still show up in Discover or Muon?
 Most likely moved out of canonical repos but is available in others is my guess.
[01:19] <DarwinElf> is there any way to get a list of those?
[01:20] <valorie> anything that relies on Qt4, for instance
[01:23] <DarwinElf> well I'm hoping the installer saves/shows the list somewhere.  For me it might be about 50 programs this time and last time or few...
[01:23] <DarwinElf> if not, the complete list for the whole distribution has to be somewhere or it's just irresponsible...
[01:23] <valorie> ?
[01:24] <valorie> there are lots of packagelists
[01:24] <valorie> but things like say, Amarok can
[01:24] <valorie> t be installed anymore, because they won't run
[01:25] <valorie> if it can be installed, you can find it in Discover
[01:51] <DarwinElf> whatever that means.  If one uses a strictly Unix[-like] system, they always have something like packages' CHANGELOG.TXT or even an entire website continually listing what packages are updated, removed and added...
[02:32] <valorie> there is apt log
 Sup
[02:49] <tester_> Good evening/morning
[02:50] <tester_> I installed ubuntu 20, and since its a LTS release i now have only access to fewer packages
[02:50] <tester_> i want to install openjdk-14 but can only see -8 and -11 which are LTS too
[02:50] <tester_> HOW can I use the other package sources?
[02:51] <tester_> or do I have to install it manually. Thanks for any help at ~5 a.m. :)
[02:52] <tester_> .
 How r u guys
[03:37] <Guest59973> Is there a good xmpp/jabber chat client for KDE????
[04:23] <sigNeon> anyone experience lag on bluetooth keyboard/mouse?? if so where would I start to look for reasons? fresh Kubuntu 20.04 install too.
[05:10] <sigNeon> why does neofetch and screenfetch show 'ubuntu' instead of showing 'kubuntu' ?
[06:13] <guiverc> sigNeon, my system says Ubuntu too, by DE=LXQt so I don't worry (we all have a Ubuntu base)
[06:14] <sigNeon> yeah figured but it would kind of be nice for neofetch/screenfetch
[06:15] <sigNeon> and in 'System Settings' > 'System Information' it doesn't even list my processors correctly
[06:15] <sigNeon> but neofetch/screenfetch do so I'm not sure how they pull that information from system settings/system information.
[06:20] <guiverc> sigNeon, I can't recall, but it's from /proc info somewhere, eg. /proc/sys/kernel/osrelease contains my 5.4.0-26-generic kernel , ostype says "Linux" etc.. details are from /proc somwhere (ie. from linux kernel)
[06:22] <sigNeon>  /proc/cpuinfo I think is what you are thinking
[06:22] <sigNeon> cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep processor | wc -l
[06:23] <valorie> sigNeon: the devels used to do some messing around inside to make it read "Kubuntu" but of course it had to be redone each release
[06:23] <guiverc> i was looking for os release info used (ie. why the Ubuntu you mentioned, not Kubuntu)
[06:23] <valorie> it wasn't worth the trouble
[06:23] <sigNeon> lol
[06:23] <valorie> Kubuntu is Ubuntu, after all
[06:23] <sigNeon> valorie: well it is for ricers :)
[06:24] <valorie> pretty sure that About System is correct
[06:24] <sigNeon> negative
[06:24] <valorie> from krunner (alt+space)
[06:24] <valorie> Operating System: Kubuntu 20.04
[06:25] <valorie> KDE Plasma Version: 5.18.4
[06:25] <valorie> KDE Frameworks Version: 5.68.0
[06:25] <valorie> Qt Version: 5.12.8
[06:25] <valorie> Kernel Version: 5.4.0-7625-generic
[06:25] <sigNeon> well it doesn't list mine correctly is what I'm saying valorie
[06:25] <valorie> OS Type: 64-bit
[06:25] <valorie> Processors: 8 × Intel® Core™ i7-7700HQ CPU @ 2.80GHz
[06:25] <valorie> Memory: 31.3 GiB of RAM
[06:25] <valorie> that's absolutely correct for my system
[06:25] <valorie> hmmm
[06:26] <valorie> about system is a function of Plasma
[06:26] <valorie> not ubuntu
[06:26] <sigNeon> i5-7200 CPU @ 2.50GHz isn't correct on this machine which is what kubuntu shows when it is actually CPU: Intel i5-7200U (4) @ 3.100GHz
[06:26] <sigNeon> odd
[06:27] <valorie> and it agrees (on my system) with /sysinfo
[06:27] <valorie> Sysinfo for 'valorie-Oryx-Pro': Running inside KDE Plasma 5.18.4 on Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (Focal Fossa) powered by Linux 5.4.0-7625-generic, CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-7700HQ CPU @ 2.80GHz at 2787-3395/3800 MHz, RAM: 31501/32067 MB, Storage: 310/1144 GB, 302 procs, 31.59h up
[06:27] <valorie> you can check inxi readout as well
[06:28] <sigNeon> yup
[06:29] <sigNeon> inxi -GFx --- displays it correctly
[06:29] <sigNeon> so does 'neofetch/screenfetch'
[06:32] <DarwinElf> if you run a LiveCD, can you 'install' something like gparted, i.e., it'll go in some sort of RAMDisc, so can be used temporarily?
[06:33] <sigNeon> turboboost doesn't seem to be working
[06:33] <guiverc> DarwinElf, yep, though KDE Partition Manager should already be available
[06:33] <DarwinElf> oh, that might work then; thanks
[06:35] <sigNeon> valorie: doesn't seem that turboboost is enabled by default
[06:36] <valorie> what is turboboost?
[06:36] <valorie> !turboboost
[06:36] <valorie> no clue
[06:37] <valorie> !info turboboost
[06:37] <valorie> !info turbo-boost
[06:47] <sigNeon> valorie: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor   <[06:47] <sigNeon> :)
 Hi … I have two issues: … 1. I am not able to get upgrade to 20.04 from 19.10. … 2. Since yesterday my hot corners not working. I used to set Ctrl+W to see the grid, that also doesn't work. I guess the issue is with Kwin but `kwin --replace` also doesn't solve the problem … Any idea?
 @sigNeon> and in 'System Settings' , same
 freq in neofetch is 3 ghz which is what's on intel's site
 2.4 ghz in sysinfo
[07:32] <valorie> @ahangarha you say you are unable to upgrade?
[07:33] <valorie> ugh, it's too late here anyway -- heading to sleep
 @valorie, I use these commands but not get anything: … ```sudo apt update … sudo apt upgrade … sudo apt dist-upgrade```
 I am currently in Kabul, Afghanistan
 I wanted to ask these questions on KubuntuForum but I don't have permission to open a new thread!
 @ahangarha, 1) upgrade will not be enabled for the first few days .. try after a week/3-4 days ... Confirmed by Kubuntu twitter handle. … 2) disabled those hot corners and reboot then enable again..
 @ahangarha, What are those?
[07:43] <wingedrhino> Hi! In the 20.04 installer, at the disk setup stage, I selected Guided - use entire disk and set up encrypted LVM. I see two empty text boxes show up. What do these represent? Is it where I enter the encryption password? I see no indicators in the UI.
 @Terminator_99 I think he was referring to the question you answered
 @Franzpow, Maybe ☺️
[07:55] <masonbee-M1> wingedrhino: Yes, they are the password boxes from memory.
 @Terminator_99, 1. then I wait … 2. didn't solve
 @ahangarha, 1) Okay … 2) see if anyone else can fix or wait for 20.04
 @Terminator_99, `sudo do-release-upgrade -d` … did it for me.
 @bauchhaus, Yaa it forces it to upgrade whatever is available like -d development branch.. which is not recommended.. check Ubuntu wiki
 @Vincenzo Bitti, ?!!
[10:02] <feodoran> Hi, I have some problem with thunderbird under 20.04, the package is installed, but there is no executable. any ideas?
[10:02] <katnip> https://distrowatch.com/?newsid=10886
 @Terminator_99, tnx … I don't know what happened. I don't remember there be any upgrade in last few days which could affect such things
 @ahangarha, Wait and see ... If 20.04 doesn't fix it and anybody else can't fix it then it's time for fresh Install
[10:38] <viewer|96> Hello sir, see this https://i.imgur.com/OWx59AF.png
[10:39] <viewer|96> This switch monitor popup comes every now and then when using Kubuntu Desktop on 20.04
[10:39] <viewer|96> If possible, please help me get rid of it
[10:40] <viewer|96> The same issue persists while using Live session as well
[10:48] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:48] <viewer|96> hello
 hi there! question
 if I installed kubuntu with the minimal installation
 and upgraded via `sudo do-release-upgrade -d`, will I keep my minimal install?
 @dryllmedaddy, Yes .. it will just upgrade your existing packages
 thanks!
[14:33] <user|92665> switch screen dialog pops up every now and then
[14:33] <user|92665> quite annoying sir
[14:33] <user|92665> Any fix available ?
 Laptop switch screen dialogue?
[14:55] <hamid> Hello
[14:56] <Guest97329> Helllllllo, is anyone here?
[14:56] <diogenes_> !hi
[14:57] <diogenes_> !welcome
[14:57] <Guest97329> I've just installed Kubuntu. what is Konversation?
[14:58] <diogenes_> !Konversation
[14:58] <diogenes_> dammit this bot is useless.
[15:00] <diogenes_> it's an IRC client like Hexchat.
 Guest97329: Konversation is an IRC client
[15:02] <Guest97329> is Konvversation something like Whatsapp or Telegram?
[15:03] <BluesKaj> Guest97329, no , it's a real irc client
[15:13] <mario_> !list
[15:52] <Guest_69> hello! i have installed kubuntu 20.04 and now try to install thunderbird. But no luck, apt install shows message that i have already have this package, but it's not true
[15:52] <Guest_69> https://pastebin.com/10DG9B0C
[16:12] <uuhhhhhhhh> The Kubuntu 20.04 setup ISO is broken, the SquashFS binary/file/service file is corrupted.
[16:25] <RikMills> uuhhhhhhhh: nope. it is not. that will be either a corrupt download, or faulty media/usb etc
[16:26] <uuhhhhhhhh> I've downloaded it on 2 different OSes and 2 different machines, what are you talking about?
[16:28] <mein> hello all
[16:28] <mein> how to report a bug ?
[16:28] <mein> on 20.04
 unbuntu-bug <package name>
[16:29] <mein> thanks. I am having regular popups fromKScreen 2
[16:29] <mein> KScreen 2
 ^ ubuntu-bug <package name>
[16:30] <mein> looks like it is detecting a monitor that is not there. what should be the package name in that case ?
 I recommend kscreen
[16:31] <mein> ubuntu-bug kscreen   ?
 Ensure to search for similar bug on bugs.kde.org/
[16:31] <mein> ok
[16:31] <mein> thanks
 kubuntu 20.04  kde don't start with only battery in a lenovo ideapad l340
[16:37] <asfa96> hello! dolphin doesn't show disks and partitions that are not used for install. it can be mount via konsole but any way to make it visible in "devices"?
 To auto mount at every boot, use update /etc/fstab
[16:40] <Shesh> Is there any things to do after installing Kubuntu tutorial ?
[16:41] <Shesh> I am quite happy with what I have, but I would like to know if there is something that need to be done
[16:41] <Shesh> I am using this for the first time
[16:41] <asfa96> if you are human and it was response to my question - i don't want to automount it. i just want to see it in dolphin
[16:41] <RikMills> Shesh: nope. it is perfect how it is
[16:42] <RikMills> :P
 Tweak the desktop to the way you want.  Define your own shortcuts, explore system settings.
[16:42] <asfa96> it worked in mint 17 but somehow it doesn't in kubuntu 20
[16:42] <RikMills> seriously though, those articles are all that person's opinion. make your own way
[16:42] <Shesh> RikMills, DarinMiller, thanks
 Check out youtube videos for KDE customization.  Install wine or wine-staging and lutris if you want to run windows apps.
[16:42] <asfa96> Shesh, u can try to read syslog to check it for errors :D
[16:43] <Shesh> to be honest, I don't know where to look for logs
[16:43] <Shesh> sure, videos it is #DarinMiller :)
 Use kdenlive to create vidoe, Krita to practice art, Gimp to edit images, inkscape to create SVGs.
[16:44] <uuhhhhhhhh> Krita, Gimp, Inkscape are included in the 3rd-party option on the setup, right?
[16:44] <Shesh> ok :)
 Some of the apps I mentioned may  require additional sw installation.
[16:45] <Shesh> I see
[16:45] <Shesh> I saw the GMIC is providing a deb file for use with 20.04
 Use Discover to find new apps or take a deeper dive and learn to install apps via the command line.
[16:46] <Shesh> ok
[16:47] <Shesh> thanks all. I will come back with my doubts :)
 If you have an NVidia graphics card, you may want to install propriety video drivers.  (System Settings - Driver Manager)
 :)
[16:49] <Shesh> +1 , I have no Intel onboard graphics
[16:49] <Shesh> have Intel onboard graphics *
 Hello! kde doesn't start when i start the computer with only battery, what can I do?
[16:57] <uuhhhhhhhh> *markdown test*
[17:08] <Jame> What happens when we remove KScreen 2 from startup ?
 @Catugnatos89, I have no idea how to help with non-start on battery.  I tested here on dell 75559 laptop and it works fine.
[17:19] <anonymouse_0001> hello to all ...
[17:19] <anonymouse_0001> I have installed kubuntu 20.04, everything went well ...selecting the OS from Grub it is selected and loaded ... after it creates an error and does not allow me to divide the desktop ... can you help me find a solution? this is the xorg log link ...
[17:19] <anonymouse_0001> https://pastebin.com/5YUCSTMC
 Looks an NVidia graphics card is installed but from the info in the pastebin link I cannot determine which one.
 @DarinMiller, when start on battery i don't see mouse pointer and i dont' see the programs I can open konsole and also i can see parts of other programs
 I recommend installing NVidia drivers via System Settings -> Driver manager.
 but the desktop enviroment does not work
 @Catugnatos89, In konsole, try running "plasmashell —replace &"
 plasmashell -replace & … [1] 3481
 this on charge
 try to do also with battery+
[17:25] <anonymouse_0001> i have installed nvidia gtx 750i
 on battery
 @anonymouse_0001, Install the Nvidia driver and use the NVidia-settings app to manage your displays.
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/mVu4USde/file_28209.jpg
[17:28] <anonymouse_0001> in the screen i have locked the key ctrl+alt+f1 and no entry in console mode for insert other many command ?
[17:29] <user|35591> Como atualizar o Kubuntu para a versao 20 sem formatar?
 ctrl-alt-f2 in non-gui  (full command line mode) where plasmashell commands will not work.  In gui mode, launch konsole (ctrl-alt-t) and run plasmashell —replace &
[17:31] <anonymouse_0001> many thank's just now .. make it
[17:32] <user|35591> muito obrigado
 @user|35591, sudo do-release-upgrade -d
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/JJ9YXHk1/file_28209.jpg
 run the command without the & at the end to see if any errors appear.
 It's almost 24 hours since 20.04 was released. I am still unable to upgrade from 19.10 to 20.04. Any help?
 sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[18:05] <oerheks> it takes a few days more, before updatepath is available
 @pradeepbp, It says on the release announcement, the release notes, AND the upgrade instructions, that it may take a few days for upgrades to be available.
 (Photo, 490x74) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/d02KWFFP/file_28212.jpg Hi … I have an issue with global menu in Kubuntu 20.04, global menu doesn't displaying firefox menu, does anyone know how to fix it?
 (Photo, 663x127) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/GTCntBR6/file_28213.jpg in other applications like virtualbox it works well
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/WowNWxgp/file_28214.jpg
 Opzioni sconosciute = options unknown
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/L5bUbabW/file_28214.jpg
 @DarinMiller, Opzioni sconosciute = options unknown
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/7KzaUs89/file_28216.jpg
 Misa che ci vogliono due trattini
 Ok
 Fatto con due trattini
 Questo è l'output
 plasmashell —replace & … I due trattini dopo il plasmashell, hai provato così?
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/KQ9oFdln/file_28217.jpg
 Ci provo
 Anche con &
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/vH4aZmIK/file_28218.jpg
 Ecco
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/pz0V2B7T/file_28219.jpg
 Queste sono le ultime righe
 Hai provato ad avviarlo con il lanciatore dei comandi che appare premendo alt+f2?
 Ci provo
 Ma hai un pc con dual gpu? (Nvidia+intel)
 Ho ryzen 7 con scheda video integrata
 Mmmm ê un problema che ti dà solo quando il pc non è in carica?
 Sì
 Però adesso no
 In che senso adesso no? Hai usato il comando e funziona?
 Ho fatto ripartire dopo aver mandato i comandi
 Ho riavviato senza la carica
 Ed è partito
 Sì
 Ah ottimo! Sono contento
 Provo a riavviare di nuovo
 È ripartito due volte senza problemi
 Grande, molto bene
[18:51] <thiago__> hello
[18:52] <lsd|2> hallla, after update to 20.04 i still see under grub 19.10 how to overwrite that
[18:52] <lsd|2> Found Ubuntu 19.10 (19.10) on /dev/sda6
[18:53] <lsd|2> a
[18:53] <lsd|2> ''sudo update-grub2''
[18:53] <Shesh> In Inkscape, how to bring the default icons back ?
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/b51IhAQ2/file_28221.jpg
 Il problema si è ripresentato al terzo riavvio
 Questo è il risultato
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/OeISc4Cj/file_28222.jpg
 Non riesco ad aiutarti purtroppo
 Hai aggiornato e ti dà questo problema o lo avevi anche prima?
 @lsd|2, Do you have multiple installs on multiple partitions?  If so use partition manager to "carefully" clean up unneeded partitions.   Then run "sudo grub-install /dev/sdx"  where sdx is the boot drive.
 Ce l'ho da quando sono passato a 20.04
 A 18.10 non lo avevo
 Potrebbero essere i driver grafici?
 Quali stai usando per la tua scheda?
 Dove lo vedo?
 Comunque se si blocca lo schermo e poi rimetto la password parte normale
 Chiudendo il portellone del portatile intendi?
 È qualcosa che riguarda Plasma ma non so aiutarti. Può darsi che i driver della scheda video integrata siano cambiati in questa versione e diano problemi non saprei
 Puoi chiedere agli altri che sicuramente ne sanno più di me
 https://pastebin.com/jG698cQK
 Questo comunque è il risultato di plasmashell —replace&
 Mi dispiace non so che dirti
 Se vuoi supporto in italiano potresti andare nel canale italiano di ubunti
 !it
 Oppure chiedi qui agli altri in inglese
 Ok
 @Catugnatos89, Ensure appmenu-gtk3-module is installed... maybe reinstall if installed?
 So i write sudo apt install appmenu-gtk3-module
 correct
 ?
 Installed
 It was already installed or was installed by the command above?
 @Darin is it ok if I talk italian to people asking help on this channel?
[19:23] <overoid> Does your ubuntu 20.04 grub-customizer work on your distribution?
 Typically this channel is intended for English assistance, but I have no objection (although I do not speak for everyone).
 It is natural for me to answer in Italian if someone needs it
 Expecially if they can't understand English
 @DarinMiller, Was installed by command
 Ok, try restarting plasma again..
 ensure to use 2 dashes in front of replace
 He did this and worked.. But he said that the problem comes back if he restarts the computer
 Stilo not working
 hmmm, but plasma restarts using the command?
 Ok right now Is working
 I cannot think of why plasma fails to start in battery mode.  Maybe ask in the KDE channel for other ideas?
[19:47] <Xavi92> I want my touchpad to work even if I'm writing, but Kubuntu seems to ignore "Disable touchpad when typing" is unchecked. How can I solve this?
 what version of Kubuntu?
[19:48] <Xavi92> Using 18.04 LTS
 You may need to adjust palm detection in System Settings -> Touchpad
 Palm detection is much better in 20.04  (at least on my Dell and Yoga laptops), so if 18.04 does not work for you, I strongly recommend upgrading to 20.04
[20:02] <Xavi92> DarinMiller: thanks for your answer. Unfortunately, I don't find any option for palm detection
[20:03] <Xavi92> DarinMiller: in any case, I swera the "Disable touchpad when typing" thing worked in the past, but suddenly didn't. Could this configuration be tweaked from a given file?
[20:03] <Xavi92> swear*
[22:26] <overoid> join #linux
 Hey guys, sorry if this has already been asked.  What is the official way to upgrade Kubuntu 18.04 to 20.04?
[23:33] <valorie> sudo do-release-upgrade
[23:33] <valorie> if that doesn't work yet, add -d on the end
[23:33] <Unit193> At this point, one is going to need the '-d' option.
[23:33] <valorie> sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[23:33] <valorie> I saw the upgrades come through in -release
[23:34] <valorie> wasn't sure if that was what people needed or not
[23:34] <Unit193> For LTS users, I believe it's offered at the first point release, for 19.10 users it should be offered now.
[23:35] <valorie> I've already upgraded so I can't test it!
[23:35] <valorie> perhaps @zparihar will tell us
[23:36] <Unit193> Hrm, what's the URL in /etc/update-manager/* ?
 hmmmm...  … 1 saying do now with the regular 'do-release-upgrade -d' … 1 saying wait til 20.04.1 … I guess a i'll spin up an 18.04 test environment, LOL
[23:39] <valorie> @zparihar what are you upgrading *from*?
[23:39] <valorie> there are two choices, of course
 18.04.4
[23:39] <valorie> aha
[23:39] <valorie> so you can either wait until July
[23:39] <valorie> or you can use sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[23:39] <valorie> now
[23:40] <valorie> you will have to use the -d from the LTS
 kk, i will try the 2nd in a test box and let you know how it works out
[23:41] <Unit193> valorie: Can you cat the files mentioned and check where the link leads? :3
[23:42] <valorie> Unit193: this one? https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release
 (Photo, 650x410) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/w3Pygdqg/file_28280.jpg
 Oh... you're in IRC... I'm in Telegram... can you see that image?
[23:42] <Unit193> valorie: Thanks!  So yeah, https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-lts shows it isn't offered yet.
[23:42] <valorie> nifty!
[23:43] <valorie> ok, -d is needed for all upgrades then
 @valorie, I've started this process
 I'll let you know how it goes.
[23:43] <valorie> @zparihar there is a link to the image in IRC
[23:44] <mthehorrible-M> I upgraded from 19.10 a few hours ago and can confirm -d was needed
 The Test Env is interesting because I've got 18.04 as ZFS RAID1 Root.
[23:46] <valorie> Unit193: reading https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-lts I'm not seeing the diff between the others and Bionic
[23:46] <valorie> what shows that upgrade is not offered yet?
[23:46] <Unit193> valorie: You'll note that focal isn't listed, yet if you append -development it is.
[23:46] <valorie> I mean, I knew that for the LTS, it's always after .1
[23:47] <valorie> but how about from 19.10>20.04 ?
 It started downloading a 'focal.tar.gz' for me... However, I've got to expand my disk size on '/' LOL!
[23:47] <valorie> aha
 So I'll need to expand the VBOX Disks, then Expand the ZFS Pool and then attempt it again...
[23:47] <Unit193> Remove '-lts' and you'll have the usual upgrades.
 I'll let you know how it goes Valorie and Unit193
[23:48] <valorie> cool!
[23:48] <valorie> best of luck
[23:49] <valorie> Unit193: I see that new page, but still not seeing the difference that makes a difference
[23:49] <valorie> they all list upgrade tool, etc.
 I've snapshotted it, so I'll try both methods. … 18.04.4 --> 20.04 … & … 18.04.4 --> 19.04 -->19.10 --> 20.04
[23:49] <Unit193> valorie: focal is offered to neither, but you should see eoan on the non-LTS page.  If you append '-development' to either, you'll see focal offered.
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 @Unit193, It downloaded the 'focal.tar.gz'
[23:51] <Unit193> Yep, with -d?
 Yes
[23:51] <Unit193> zparihar: We're sort of having a discussion around the subject, perhaps it's a bit confusing. :P