[00:02] <tripelb> Elementary destroyed my computer.
[00:04] <woenx> Dammit, Image viewer, firefox, chrome and Darktable show that yellowish tint. Xsane and Gimp show a slightly colder tint.
[00:04] <woenx> why is that?
[00:04] <woenx> It's subtle, but it's there
[00:05] <tripelb> woenx I feel for you. My Pixel 3A makes white areas warmer and I think that's unacceptable. Try telling that to the Filipinos who work for Google
[00:06] <woenx> I mean, I just spent money in a hardware calibrator for my screen
[00:06] <woenx> because I have to scan a bunch of picture albums (hey, I gotta keep busy during the confinement), and I want the color to be somewhat accurate
[00:07] <woenx> but it doesn't make any sense that different programs interpet the picture with slightly different colors
[00:11] <conjo> hi everyone as ur all helpful and friendly id like to ask the best place to ask, what channel would be the best place to ask for help re using dd for backup of a friends windows drive
[00:11] <conjo> im planning on using dd or clonezilla
[00:12] <conjo> ie what channel by name please
[00:12] <Bashing-om> conjo: #windows comes to mind.
[00:13] <conjo> but they are not linux users and i will be using linux to do it
[00:13] <conjo> they will be stumped from point a i would imagine
[00:15] <conjo> as soon as i mention dd-they will be like whats start saying download this on windows (i dont run windows and im trying to save a drive; back it up clone then re flash to new drive)
[00:16] <conjo> but the drive to be cloned wont boot
[00:16] <conjo> just want a bup before i attempt the repair manipulation
[00:17] <conjo> lol ill try them now
[00:31] <zvrk> conjo, try ##linux
[00:43] <fred1807> I have been banned from linux from months, and I really dont have a clue
[00:43] <fred1807> never spammed anyone
[00:45] <sarnold> fred1807: Sat 25 00:44:03 [freenode] -!- 0 - ##linux: ban *!uid*@*irccloud* [by moon.freenode.net, 10987942 secs ago]
[00:45] <sarnold> fred1807: looks like they don't want irccloud users
[00:45] <oerheks> i think they do not accept irccloud guests
[00:45] <oerheks> ah
[00:46] <fred1807> oh really? what is going on wirh irccloud?
[00:46] <oerheks> too easy to bypass to spam, scriptkiddies.
[00:46] <Slartibart> Any NFS experts online? When I mount a remote NFS share all the subfolders get d--------- permissions, i.e they're unreadable..
[00:46] <oerheks> anyway, not ubuntu support related
[00:46] <oerheks> try #freenode
[00:48] <kyle__> Slartibart: checkout rootsquash.
[00:48] <kyle__> That is, find the arch-wiki on nfs, and look at the rootsquash section.  :)
[00:48] <sarnold> :)
[00:49] <woenx> In case anyone is interested, this is how different software in ubuntu display colors:
[00:49] <woenx> https://i.imgur.com/p00f8CV.png
[00:49] <Slartibart> Ah. Nice :). Thanks, will do.
[00:53] <DumbLDoor> Hi! I keep getting messages in Chromium to update flash plugin. And, myriad OS notifications to restart Chromium as it has been updated.
[01:00] <Kristine86> tomreyn do you mean log GUI? I'm trying to find log related to hdmi monitor, didn't find any yet.
[01:05] <Thete> DumbLDoor: if you're using the snap version it's probably some funky issue with snapd
[01:05] <DumbLDoor> @thete: looks like it.
[01:06] <DumbLDoor> @there: does chromium come with its own flash plugin?
[01:06] <Thete> there was pepperflash-plugin-nonfree but I don't know if that works anymore
[01:07] <Thete> my display issues seem to be related to custom gnome stuff so I'm probably gonna end up dumping snapd altogether
[01:07] <Thete> sick of it
[01:08] <Thete> DumbLDoor: I gave up using chrome on ubuntu and have been using firefox since it works
[01:08] <Thete> I wonder if the deb package is still maintained.. looking
[01:09] <DumbLDoor> @Thete: Last time this helped me, I think, https://askubuntu.com/questions/1141108/flash-with-chromium-or-google-chrome-broken-on-ubuntu-19-04
[01:09] <deb> Thete, why me?
[01:09] <erica647> I just installed it after downloading the file on the google website... seems to work fine
[01:09] <Betal> can I upgrade from 18.04 LTS to 20.04 LTS?
[01:10] <Toxmi> I have a Google Drive account which I want to use for backups. Is there any tool other than Deja-Dup to do a backup?
[01:11] <DumbLDoor> 2nd thoughts.. no, another link perhaps
[01:11] <Toxmi> I want to support different scenario, some folders I want to backup regularly, some less often. some folder encrypted and many not encrpyted
[01:11] <Bashing-om> !ltsupgrade | Betal
[01:14] <Betal> Bashing-om: after the do-release-upgrade -d, do I need to change some repository?
[01:16] <sarnold> you may need to reenable third-party repositories if you have any configured, once they support focal
[01:17] <Bashing-om> Betal: No the manager will take care . just make sure /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades >> Prompt=lts, and the system is fully updated - graphics driver reverted to defaults.
[01:34] <mindofmateo> My system does not update time zones automatically even though I have location services enabled.  gnome-clocks shows the correct time and location, but my system is still set to the previous time zone.  Does anyone know why there is this discrepancy?  I can manually set the time zone by disabling automatic time zone, but that kind of defeats the
[01:34] <mindofmateo> point of having that setting.
[01:34] <mindofmateo> I am using 18.04
[01:35] <Bashing-om> nickware: Dual booting Windows where Windows controls hardware clock ?
[01:36] <sarnold> if the gnome clock is showing the correct time, what is showing the incorrect time?
[01:36] <Bashing-om> mindofmateo: ^^ sorry nickware for that bad hilight :(
[01:37] <mindofmateo> Oh, I am not dual booting.
[01:37] <mindofmateo> The status bar, `date`, everything else other than gnome-clocks.
[01:38] <mindofmateo> What I mean is, if I Google "where am I" or even use geoclue-2.0, it shows information that's correct enough, so IDK why it won't switch automatically.  To be clear, the "time" is correct, it's just that the time zone is set incorrectly and does not update automatically.
[01:39] <Jordan_U> mindofmateo: What id you do "su - mindofmateo" then "date"?
[01:41] <mindofmateo> Jordan_U the same date
[01:41] <mindofmateo> date output*
[01:45] <Smaragd98> heyho from germany
[01:45] <sarnold> huhu
[01:46] <Smaragd98> wenn ich die Hintergrundfarbe des Panels unter MATE fürs Dock ändere, wird nach einem reboot das andere Panel in die gleiche Farbe gesetzt. Dabei möchte ich nur ein Paneö in dieser Farbe
[01:46] <Smaragd98> Hat jemand eine Idee?
[01:46] <Smaragd98> 20.04 Focal Fossa läuft bei mir
[01:46] <Jordan_U> !de | Smaragd98
[01:47] <sarnold> Smaragd98: if no one here knows, try #ubuntu-mate also
[01:47] <Smaragd98> thx
[01:47] <Smaragd98> is existing a DE channel for mate?
[01:48] <DarkTrick> Question@Kernel versions: Do I understand it right, that a low latency kernel runs faster, but uses more energy?
[01:48] <sarnold> Smaragd98: probably not
[01:49] <sarnold> DarkTrick: it depends what you mean by "faster"
[01:49] <sarnold> DarkTrick: you'll get lower latency but likely also lower throughput for certain operations
[01:49] <DarkTrick> sarnold, programs react faster. Operations finish faster
[01:50] <Smaragd98> i use low latency kernel for hearing hi-res music
[01:50] <zvrk> mindofmateo, timedatectl list-timezones & sudo timedatectl set-timezone your_time_zone & timedatectl to verify changes
[01:51] <DarkTrick> Does it make any differences for *Listening* to music?
[01:51] <Jordan_U> DarkTrick: Low latency can also trade off throughput for latency. So if you're running a long computation, it may run slower on a low latency kernel.
[01:51] <devslash> When installed ubuntu, secure boot should be disabled right ?
[01:51] <sarnold> it depends on how the music is generated; for audio playback from file, probably not; for generated music via jack plugins etc, maybe
[01:51] <sarnold> devslash: secure boot works fine; it does enable lockdown LSM though
[01:51] <Jordan_U> devslash: Ubuntu works fine with secure boot.
[01:51] <Betal> Bashing-om: I did some weird thing, that what I did, https://bpaste.net/raw/FSMA , there is some procedure I can do to fix it now?, should I roll back the old packages from cache, or can I follow the do-release-upgrade -d, regenerate source.list and try to upgrade again?
[01:51] <devslash> Err installing
[01:52] <devslash> I had an issue on another computer where or doesnt load nvidia drivers when Secure boot is enabled that's why I'm asking
[01:52] <Bashing-om> Betal: looking ^ .
[01:52] <Smaragd98> do u try install dualboot @devslash ?
[01:52] <devslash> No
[01:52] <Smaragd98> ok
[01:52] <devslash> Just ubuntu
[01:52] <DarkTrick> Hm... so, as the website says, generic is indeed probably the best choice...
[01:52] <DarkTrick> Thank you!
[01:52] <devslash> With 16gb ram do I need more than 2 gb swap?
[01:53] <sarnold> devslash: even one gig is fine
[01:53] <Smaragd98> no
[01:53] <r3dux> devslash: you probably dont even need a swap... if you make one 2gb is a good choice though
[01:53] <Smaragd98> you don't need any swap with 16 gb
[01:53] <Bashing-om> Betal: Nope "modifyed bionic to focal on /etc/apt/source.list" I have no gnome DE experience to know how to adress.
[01:53] <Jordan_U> devslash: Do you ever plan to use suspend to disk?
[01:54] <devslash> No it's a server
[01:54] <DumbLDoor> @Thete;' Chrome works but chromium keeps complaining about older flash plugin, i have to choose "run this time" to get it going.
[01:54] <devslash> So it will never be suspended maybe reboot or turned off but never suspended
[01:55] <Betal> Bashing-om: yea, I know the source.list move wasn't so cool, but what I should do now to "fix" the sources.list and get the correct packages?
[01:55] <r3dux> devslash: no swap :)
[01:55] <r3dux> clear
[01:55] <Smaragd98> sometimes I need open windows for a short time until they are open again ./
[01:56] <devslash> So it automatically created / as ext4 as partition 1 and 512mb efi on partition 2
[01:56] <devslash> Err sorry that's reversed
[01:56] <devslash> Efi is 1st
[01:57] <mindofmateo> zvrk  I did that and the time zone is correct now
[01:57] <devslash> Mounted as /boot/efi
[01:57] <mindofmateo> but IDK how to make automatic tz update work
[01:57] <Bashing-om> Betal: There is no go-back button. Will have to work with what you now have - what shows ' cat /etc/issue ' ?
[01:57] <Jordan_U> Betal: I would strongly recommend just re-installing at this point. You can even re-install while keeping /home/ (even if it's not on a separate partition).
[01:57] <qwerty> i newly install ubuntu 20.04 lts in my machine and my machine screen flashing after i log out my user account , why is happening and please give a right solution to resolve my problem
[01:57] <devslash> Jordan_U is that good?
[01:58] <Smaragd98> is it normal that the window that is already open sometimes takes a little longer to maximize?
[01:58] <zvrk> mindofmateo, ok :)
[01:58] <devslash> Qwerty saying please give me a right solution like that is kinda rude and probably makes people not want to help you
[01:58] <r3dux> I use timedatectl set-ntp true @devslash
[01:58] <sarnold> Smaragd98: how long?
[01:59] <qwerty>  I  newly install ubuntu 20.04 lts in my machine and my machine screen flashing after i log out my user account , why is happening and please give a right solution to resolve my problem , please help me out
[01:59] <Jordan_U> devslash: You going without swap? Sure. Really, it depends entirely on what your server is being used for. But most likely, not having swap will be fine, maybe have a slight advantage (OOM conditions will be reached faster, so the OOM killer will "fix" the problem faster).
[01:59] <Smaragd98> not longer than 1 second, maybe a half, a litte bit slower than normal
[01:59] <sarnold> Smaragd98: ow, that is slow
[02:00] <Betal> Bashing-om: issue = "Ubuntu 20.04 LTS \n \l"
[02:00] <Smaragd98> that only happens sometimes @sarnold
[02:00] <qwerty> so sorry for that but i need a help brother
[02:00] <Betal> Bashing-om: that is the idea, fix the source.list and enforce a update or downgrade, I don't think a reinstall is need, not yet
[02:00] <Smaragd98> who do you men qwerty?
[02:01] <sarnold> Smaragd98: can you run 'vmstat 1' in a terminal, and watch the 'si' and 'so' columns when you do this?
[02:01] <qwerty> my screen is flashing after the logout
[02:01] <Jordan_U> qwerty: Is your install configured to log in automatically?
[02:01] <qwerty> no
[02:02] <qwerty> i use username and password to log in
[02:02] <Jordan_U> qwerty: Try not to repeat your question so often. I was working on a reply while you asked again. I'd say no more than 1 repeat of your question every 5 minutes. Maybe less often if there haven't been many messages from other users in that time.
[02:02] <Smaragd98> sarnold: yes, every new line takes ca. one second
[02:02] <Smaragd98> its a fresh install of ubuntu mate 20.04
[02:03] <qwerty> and after that when ever i use to logout then again several times it flashing all the time
[02:03] <Smaragd98> bit this happens with every distro: arch linux, ubuntu, debian
[02:03] <devslash> What the heck. It installed in like a minute
[02:03] <sarnold> Smaragd98: that's normal, they should come every second..
[02:03] <Smaragd98> sarnold: ok, great
[02:03] <Jordan_U> qwerty: Do you have another computer that you can talk to use with, so that we can talk you through trying things while the screen is flashing?
[02:03] <Smaragd98> sarnold: maybe its a problem with the desktop-environment
[02:03] <devslash> Damn....
[02:03] <sarnold> Smaragd98: the 'si' and 'so' columns show you when your computer needs to use swap -- it should almost always be zero
[02:04] <sarnold> Smaragd98: your description sounded a little bit like something I've seen on computers that don't have enough memory -- a momentary pause to read something from disk, then they can act
[02:04] <qwerty> yes i,ve another computer
[02:04] <Bashing-om> Betal: We can try :( ... Pastebin ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ' sudo apt -f install ; sudo dpkg -C ' . Make sure here that the package manager is in a consistent state.
[02:04] <Smaragd98> sarnold: i have 8gb of ddr3 ram in here
[02:05] <sarnold> Smaragd98: what is in the 'swpd' column?
[02:05] <sarnold> hmm, you know, I've never tried this tool in german..
[02:05] <Smaragd98> sarnold: and a samsung ssd on a 6 gb/s SATA port
[02:06] <qwerty> why is this issue occur btw ?
[02:06] <Smaragd98> sarnold: 0 all time
[02:06] <Betal> Bashing-om: what exactly this does? after the do-release-upgrade -d, when I run sudo apt update/upgrade, I do see a ton of packages
[02:06] <qwerty> is my machine not compatible with ubuntu 20.04
[02:07] <Betal> Bashing-om: what I should have on sources.list at this moment? focal repositories?
[02:07] <Betal> Bashing-om: or do-release-upgrade -d fix sources.list
[02:07] <sarnold> Smaragd98: aha, then my theory isn't useful. :) that's good and bad...
[02:07] <Jordan_U> qwerty: We don't know yet. We'll try to figure it out. Can you log out of the machine that has flashing, then try pressing ctrl+alt+F1 after it starts flashing? If ctrl+alt+F1 doesn't do anything, try ctrl+alt+F2 .
[02:08] <Smaragd98> sarnold: are u from germany?
[02:08] <qwerty> ok i will try
[02:08] <sarnold> Smaragd98: no; but I worked for suse for two years, and love to visit germany :)
[02:08] <Bashing-om> Betal: I guess that the upgrade manager is handeling things that apt would not.
[02:08] <Smaragd98> sometimes it tooks a little moment to open windows or type in hexchat :/
[02:09] <Jordan_U> qwerty: Hopefully it will bring you to a text only tty. If it does, we can log you in there and run useful commands to find more info.
[02:09] <Smaragd98> cpu must be solid for linux; 4x 2,0 GhZ
[02:10] <qwerty> Jordan_U nothing happpen its again flashing screen now ?
[02:10] <Smaragd98> sarnold: but i think i have that too under windows, despite less cpu and ram load - maybe the processor sometimes can't keep up
[02:10] <sarnold> Smaragd98: hmmmmmmm
[02:10] <Betal> Bashing-om: ok, ill left focal on sources.list, remove ppas and try to upgrade
[02:11] <Bashing-om> Betal: Presently we want to know that the package manager is consistent.
[02:12] <Smaragd98> the ssd is new but i want to check it now with smartools sarnold
[02:13] <sarnold> Smaragd98: can you pastebin the output of grep . /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpufreq/policy*/*scaling*   ?
[02:13] <Betal> Bashing-om: so I should run your full 4 commands?
[02:14] <Jordan_U> qwerty: Does ctrl+alt+del trigger a reboot? If you press the caps lock key on your keyboard does the caps lock light change?
[02:14] <Betal> Bashing-om: I think I did not understood your 4 commands, I should paste the update/upgrade, thats it?
[02:15] <Bashing-om> Betal: I am lazy - I do not type for nothing. If I do not know that the package manager is consistent I can not help you.
[02:15] <sarnold> aww :(
[02:16] <qwerty> Jordan_U i,ve only option left, press hard poweroff the machine, that 's makes any sense .
[02:16] <Jordan_U> qwerty: One moment before you do.
[02:16] <Betal> Bashing-om: you mean this? ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ; sudo apt -f install ; sudo dpkg -C '
[02:17] <qwerty> yes i had done it , so far no result Jordan_U
[02:17] <Bashing-om> Betal: Yes - pastebin those results so I see what the state of the manager is and what we might have to do.
[02:18] <qwerty> Jordan_U is my intel graphic driver issue , what do you think ?
[02:19] <Jordan_U> qwerty: Try holding alt+sysrq+r then alt+sysrq+e, then the same with i s u b . Sysrq is generally the printscreen key.
[02:19] <Jordan_U> qwerty: When you get to 'b' your computer should reboot.
[02:20] <Betal> Bashing-om: https://bpaste.net/raw/FJJQ
[02:20] <Bashing-om> Betal: looking .
[02:21] <porton> is 20.04 stable?
[02:22] <Bashing-om> Betal: Ouch! System not fully updated when the sources list changed ? try ' sudo apt full-upgrade
[02:22] <Bashing-om> '.
[02:22] <qwerty> Jordan_U Intel skylake GT2 HD graphic 520
[02:23] <Jordan_U> qwerty: Did you understand my message about sysrq
[02:23] <dr`venom> I'm on ubuntu 20.04. I was having sound issues on my Scarlett 18i6 sound interface. It turns out some stuff was muted. I got to unmute the right channel using ALSA via the terminal. I installed alsamixer gui, but I don't get anything that represents my interface. Is there another gui I can use to unmute channels?
[02:23] <Betal> Bashing-om: this will take some time, about 1GB, can I confirm?
[02:24] <dr`venom> The alsamixer gui that I downloaded only shows card:PulseAudio, chip:Pulse audio. It doesn't show my sound interface.
[02:24] <Bashing-om> Betal: "479 not upgraded." - depending on your net speed .
[02:24] <qwerty> Jordan_U yeah i understand , bit what is whole point , i try so far , result is no
[02:24] <DumbLDoor> Thete: lolz!! simple fix, done! https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/net-install-flash.html.en
[02:26] <Jordan_U> qwerty: The alt+sysrq+REISUB didn't cause your machine to reboot?
[02:26] <Thete> oh nice
[02:28] <qwerty> Jordan_U yeah , my machine is rebooted somehow i don't your short keys work
[02:29] <cgi> so far 20.04lts looks beautiful :)
[02:30] <qwerty> Jordan_U what's next brother ?????
[02:31] <Jordan_U> qwerty: Please pastebin the output of "journalctl -b -1". Also, please be patient. Nagging me will not get me to reply sooner.
[02:32] <zvrk> dr`venom, try 'pavucontrol'
[02:32] <dr`venom> ok, i'll give that a try
[02:40] <Thete> this makes no sense to me, why does xrandr and mutter fractional scaling work on 19.10 but not on 20.04?
[02:41] <Thete> I must be missing some kind of custom patch or something
[02:42] <sarnold> when these returns https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseNotes#Desktop
[02:44] <johnflux> What prefix should I use to install a 32bit library ?   For a 64 bit library, I'd install to /usr/local
[02:51] <Jordan_U> johnflux: Also /usr/local. What library are you installing?
[02:53] <johnflux> Jordan_U: libwebsockets, but the details don't matter.   I don't really want to mix up my 64 and 32 bit libraries
[02:54] <johnflux> Say I want to install both the 64bit and 32 bit version of the library
[03:02] <dr`venom> pavucontrol doesn't show all the channels ins and outs the way alsa mixer shows them in other distros. I wonder why alsa mixer in the terminal shows all the channels, but the alsa mixer gui does not.
[03:11] <nt0> dr`venom: pavucontrol is re: pulse audio
[03:11] <linuxpleb2> Hello
[03:12] <linuxpleb2> I have an old machine with GeForce 7000 series card, and I'm trying to install Nvidia 304 drivers on it. I keep running into a modprobe issue which is a bit over my head.
[03:12] <Betal> Bashing-om: now everything looks ok, I think it worked, thanks :D
[03:12] <linuxpleb2> PPA no longer has 304 drivers
[03:13] <Bashing-om> Betal: Wow :D ,, ' sudo dpkg -C ' returns to a prompt only ?
[03:14] <Betal> Bashing-om: yes
[03:14] <Betal> linuxpleb2: isn't worth to use nouveau in this case?
[03:14] <Bashing-om> Betal: We do indeed do good work :P
[03:15] <linuxpleb2> Betal, I get a scrambled screen with Nouveau
[03:15] <Bashing-om> linuxpleb2: see: http://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3142/~/support-timeframes-for-unix-legacy-gpu-releases , support ebeded several years back.
[03:15] <Betal> Bashing-om: yeah, I know we don't need a reinstall for most mistakes :P, linux ftw
[03:16] <linuxpleb2> Bashing-om, noted, but what can I do if I get a scrambled screen with Nouveau?
[03:18] <linuxpleb2> I am donating this machine to someone who needs a computer and I am just trying to get basic functionality here.
[03:18] <Betal> older nvidia drivers are not going to works on new xorg versions
[03:18] <Bashing-om> linuxpleb2: Might take a look at Xorg's log - see if there is a issue reported - what release ? As last to support the 304 driver was 16.04.
[03:21] <linuxpleb2> I am running 20.04
[03:21] <linuxpleb2> should I just try and install an old release?
[03:22] <linuxpleb2> Honestly, as the Nick suggests, this is all a bit beyond my knowledge levell
[03:26] <Betal> linuxpleb2: you "can" downgrade xorg, but I would try nouveau first and see if I can get it to work
[03:26] <Bashing-om> linuxpleb2: Not so fast - let's do look and see *IF* 20.04's nouvea driver works. does this file exist ' .local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log  ' exist ?
[03:27] <linuxpleb2> Bashing-om, /var/log/Xorg.0.log exists
[03:27] <Betal> is there a wiki page that explain how to read the package naming? "1:7.7+19ubuntu14"
[03:28] <linuxpleb2> https://pastebin.com/mvCAHrpj
[03:30] <Bashing-om> kinghat: Surprise at the reversion location but OK,. pastebin command ' cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | nc termbin.com 9999 '. The result is a URL back in terminal - pass that link back here.
[03:33] <linuxpleb2> https://termbin.com/1rj3
[03:34] <Bashing-om> linuxpleb2: reading - I be awhile :D
[03:34] <kinghat> 🤨
[03:34] <luna_> when crying after deleting someones homefolder :(
[03:34] <linuxpleb2> Bashing-om, I think its important that I mention I am currently on a different machine for speed reasons. I'll swap the hdd back over once I get the driver installed
[03:34] <linuxpleb2> my current machine has a gtx 1070
[03:35] <linuxpleb2> I can't really work on the other machine due to image scrambling
[03:38] <tf2ftw> hi. whats the difference between using apt-get and just apt? For example, now-a-days I'm seeing suggestions to install stuff like 'sudo apt install foo' instead of 'sudo apt-get install foo'
[03:39] <Bashing-om> linuxpleb2: As is now " (EE) [drm] Failed to open DRM device for pci:0000:01:00.0: -19" : What results in the original sustem booting only to a terminal ?
[03:40] <devslash> tf2ftw, none
[03:40] <Bashing-om> tf2ftw: Just that apt-get is being depreciated in favor of apt - see: https://itsfoss.com/apt-vs-apt-get-difference/ .
[03:41] <Jordan_U> johnflux: Then /usr/local/lib/i386-linux-gnu/ (to match how Ubuntu packages libwebsockets8:i386).
[03:41] <devslash> tf2ftw, ive seen that too and only use apt updatge apt install and so on
[03:41] <linuxpleb2> Bashing-om, I am unsure
[03:41] <linuxpleb2> I just installed this
[03:41] <tf2ftw> Bashing-om, devslash - interesting. thanks
[03:42] <linuxpleb2> I have done nothing but blacklist Nouveau and attemp to compile 304 nvidia drivers
[03:42] <linuxpleb2> they wont compile
[03:42] <Bashing-om> linuxpleb2: I am confused - "I'll swap the hdd back over" --we do want to work with the drive in the problematic hardware.
[03:42] <Jordan_U> linuxpleb2: Did you try the restricted-drivers utility first?
[03:43] <linuxpleb2> Jordan_U, I did not.
[03:43] <linuxpleb2> Bashing-om, I can barely make out what is on screen on the problematic machine
[03:44] <CrtxReavr> If 20.04 LTS is realeased, then why is do-release-upgrade still telling me "There is no development version of an LTS available?"
[03:44] <linuxpleb2> so, for speed and usability i am using my other machine once I get the legacy drivers working
[03:44] <Bashing-om> linuxpleb2: How do you know that the 304 version driver is the compatible driver ?
[03:44] <Jordan_U> CrtxReavr: What version of Ubuntu are you running currently?
[03:44] <linuxpleb2> Bashing-om, https://www.geforce.com/drivers/results/123709
[03:45] <CrtxReavr> 18.04.4 LTS
[03:45] <linuxpleb2> 7800 gt
[03:46] <Jordan_U> CrtxReavr: What is the exact command you ran?
[03:46] <Bashing-om> linuxpleb2: ^^ good 'nuf for me, And as you know there is no longer support for that driver - unless you want to use the 16.04 Operating system release.
[03:47] <linuxpleb2> Bashing-om, because this machine will be donated to someone who just needs internet and basic word precessing, I am not really worried.
[03:48] <CrtxReavr> Jordan_U, https://bpaste.net/YLNA
[03:48] <linuxpleb2> If I have to install via an old 16.04 iso, that's fine
[03:48] <Bashing-om> linuxpleb2: understand - but need to get the nouvea driver working on the install.
[03:49] <Jordan_U> CrtxReavr: That's because upgrades from LTS to LTS aren't enabled until after .1, so 20.04.1 .
[03:49] <Bashing-om> linuxpleb2: We can hope that 20.04 nouvea driver still works for that old card - maybe.
[03:49] <linuxpleb2> Bashing-om, Ok, understood, What can we do to move forward and try it?
[03:50] <CrtxReavr> Spiffy.
[03:51] <Bashing-om> linuxpleb2: install that drive back in the problematic machine - boot to TTY from the login screen (Key combo ctl+alt+F2) and there see what the driver interface to the kernel looks like.
[03:52] <linuxpleb2> ok
[03:52] <linuxpleb2> I'll have to shut this one down to do that
[03:53] <linuxpleb2> I guess I could connect on IRC via my phone
[03:54] <Bashing-om> linuxpleb2: My getting off time - some one else here pick this up - else I be back here tomorrow evening.
[03:56] <linuxpleb2> Bashing-om, OK well, once I boot to TTY, I am lost.
[03:56] <linuxpleb2> Goodbye and thank you for your help
[03:56] <Jordan_U> linuxpleb2: Can you give a short summary of your circumstances?
[03:58] <linuxpleb2> Jordan_U, I have an old machine with a GeForce 7800 GT. When I boot, I get scrambled imagery, so I am guessing it's a driver issue. I tried to blacklist the nouveau driver and install legacy 304 nvidia drivers via *.run file and they fail to compile.
[03:59] <Jordan_U> linuxpleb2: Did you only recently install Ubuntu on this machine?
[03:59] <linuxpleb2> Jordan_U, I currently have the HDD booted on a different machine because I need to be able to see what I am doing and because it's faster.
[03:59] <Bashing-om> linuxpleb2: linuxpleb2 Jordan_U Good hunting :D laters .
[04:00] <linuxpleb2> Jordan_U, Yes, I installed it today. It is a completely fresh install other the the mucking around with drivers I have done.
[04:00] <linuxpleb2> Bashing-om, thanks again!
[04:00] <Jordan_U> linuxpleb2: Did the LiveUSB work? What release and flavor of Ubuntu?
[04:01] <cptmorgan> after a fresh install of 20.04 desktop the software store won't load. it's just snap right? snap-store not the right bin?
[04:01] <linuxpleb2> Jordan_U, I burned an ISO of 20.04 LTS and boot from the disk. It looked scrambled on the problem machine, so I installed from the machine I am on now.
[04:03] <linuxpleb2> Jordan_U, I think it's a driver issue, because I had Sabayon 4.2 and windows XP running fine on the very same machine yesterday.
[04:04] <Jordan_U> linuxpleb2: Does the machine have integrated graphics? Can you remove the nvidia card and use it instead?
[04:05] <linuxpleb2> Jordan_U, it does, I have tried using both the card and integrated graphics, both of which are nvidia. I get scrambling with both, albeit a little different.
[04:06] <Jordan_U> linuxpleb2: Can you post a picture of the scrambling?
[04:07] <linuxpleb2> I can't, because I have to shut this machine down to start the other. I only have one power cord. I mean, I guess I could, but it would take awhile
[04:07] <Jordan_U> linuxpleb2: No phone or other device option?
[04:08] <linuxpleb2> I could connect to IRC on my phone. Let me try. BRB.
[04:13] <linuxpleb2> Jordan_U, Ok, back. On the phone now
[04:15] <Jordan_U> linuxpleb2: Please post a picture to https://imgur.com/ and share the link here.
[04:16] <linuxpleb2> Jordan_U, working on it. give me a bit
[04:16] <klu3> i downloaded Waterfox browser but i dont know how to make it run! please help.   I set waterfox file as an executable application but when i try to open it i get an error message https://ibb.co/4fk5xZm
[04:19] <klu3> i also tried $ sh waterfox but i get this error message instead waterfox: 6: waterfox: Syntax error: ")" unexpected
[04:22] <Jordan_U> klu3: How did you download waterfox? I'm guessing that the file isn't marked as execuable. Also, "sh somefile" is only the way to execute a file if that file happens to be a script with #/bin/sh at the top. On Ubuntu /bin/sh is not bash.
[04:23] <linuxpleb2> Jordan_U, https://imgur.com/a/rO3zHUL
[04:24] <klu3> Jordan_U: i downloaded it from https://www.waterfox.net/download/   what do i need to do to make it run?
[04:24] <klu3> waterfox have almost identical files as firefox
[04:25] <klu3> should i just copy the launch script for firefox and use that for waterfox
[04:26] <Jordan_U> klu3: Generally you don't want to install things in Ubuntu by downloading anything from a website. Try "sudo snap install waterfox-snap --edge", as shown in https://snapcraft.io/install/waterfox-snap/ubuntu .
[04:27] <klu3> Jordan_U: thanks, didnt know there's a snap for it, i tried $ sudo apt but it didnt find any
[04:28] <cptmorgan> whats the binary for the ubuntu software store? it won't launch and i can't find the bin to launch from a command line to troubleshoot
[04:29] <Jordan_U> cptmorgan: ubuntu-software
[04:29] <linuxpleb2> Jordan_U, https://imgur.com/a/rO3zHUL
[04:30] <linuxpleb2> wasnt sure if you saw that
[04:32] <cptmorgan> Jordan_U: thx... i had to do a apt install ubuntu-software with a complete install of 20.04. weird thing is that now i have a "software" icon under application and a "ubuntu software" icon. "ubuntu software" does not launch/work
[04:32] <Jordan_U> linuxpleb2: Thanks. Have you tried reducing the resolution? That seems almost like something I'd expect from dying hardware, but maybe your other installs didn't have the problem because they were set to a lower resolution that didn't trigger the problem. It's a shot in the dark, but maybe.
[04:33] <linuxpleb2> you know, after blacklisting and now switching to integrated, the scrambling has gone away, i just can set the correct resolution for my 1680*1050 monitor. It is showing up as 1280*1024
[04:36] <linuxpleb2> Jordan_U, at this point if i could just get correct res and aspect ratio, I would be happy. Any sug
[04:38] <linuxpleb2> Jordan_U, https://imgur.com/a/SgnfHsI
[04:44] <Jordan_U> linuxpleb2: Can you look at your recent boots with "journalctl --list-boots", find one for which you booted with the corrupt screen, and run "journalctl --dmesg -b N" where N is the number for the boot we want to see?
[04:54] <linuxpleb2> Jordan_U, https://pastebin.com/d4Rqrcus
[04:57] <linuxpleb2> Jordan_U, Got booted for some reason, did I miss anything?
[05:04] <Jordan_U> linuxpleb2: I don't see anything there that gives me any hints unfortunately.
[05:08] <linuxpleb2> I give up. I guess this machine is going in the dumpster. Heh...
[05:11] <_bradk> i just upgraded to 20.04 about 1-2 hours ago and i've noticed wifi drop outs (which never happened on 19.10) - i read that i should modify /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/default-wifi-powersave-on.conf and set wifi.powersave = 2 (from 3), have restarted and verified via iwconfig that power management for my wireless device is off
[05:11] <_bradk> 
[05:11] <matsaman> onboard doesn't always support the same high resolutions as discrete
[05:11] <matsaman> linuxpleb2
[05:12] <zhanx> bonus
[05:12] <zhanx> 20.04 update complete and the built in sdcard read finally works
[05:13] <_bradk> seems very odd
[05:13] <zhanx> i'll take it
[05:13] <_bradk> just tried disabling ipv6 to see if this helps
[05:39] <_bradk> 9
[05:41] <Jordan_U> _bradk: Try running "journalctl --follow" and see if any interesting output shows up when the wifi has problems.
[05:42] <Jordan_U> _bradk: What symptoms are you seeing exactly? Are the drop outs times where all packats are lost but you remain "connected", or do you see a disconnection and reconnection happening?
[05:43] <_bradk> initial problem was packages i was updating would report errors
[05:43] <_bradk> then i noticed webpages stopped loading
[05:43] <_bradk> running a continuous ping to cloudflare i see drops to the destination with "ping: sendmsg: Network is unreachable"
[05:45] <_bradk> i'm just waiting for it to come back
[05:45] <_bradk> but i ran dmesg | egrep 'iwlwifi|wlp3s0' | grep "2498.309789" -A 20 (2498.309789 seemed to be when it last came up)
[05:46] <_bradk> i see this a bit wlp3s0: deauthenticating from <removed-mac> by local choice (Reason: 3=DEAUTH_LEAVING)
[05:49] <_bradk> just appened, again, i'll paste it in pastebin
[05:50] <dropheaders> what is the correct location for virsh when installing ubuntu 20.04? Tried https://mirrors.cat.net/ubuntu/ubuntu/dists/focal/main/installer-amd64/ as I usually do for bionic but this time doesn't work
[05:51] <dropheaders> I noticed that inside the installer there is a folder named legacy-images.. something changed uh
[05:52] <_bradk> Jordan_U: https://pastebin.com/1U4zgutA
[05:58] <_bradk> althought that time it was only a few packets dropped which i can live with
[05:58] <_bradk> seeing as i
[05:58] <_bradk> am running this on an old lenovo t420s laptop :D
[05:59] <Jordan_U> _bradk: Please pastebin the entire output of "dmesg".
[05:59] <dan01> Hi so on this levono v110 laptop, boot mode is put on: UEFI, I install a GPT, non-CSM UEFI only usb image on Ubuntu 20.04 on it, after install it prompts me to the UEFI boot menu, not to grub. I can see the Ubuntu entry there but it won't do any good.
[06:01] <Jordan_U> dan01: What happens when you try to select the Ubuntu entry?
[06:02] <zvrk> bradk, can you give us 'cat /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf | nc termbin.com 9999'
[06:04] <dan01> Jordan_U: Asking for, I think it will just refresh the screen and prompt him back to the UEFI boot menu, this also happense of for other distros
[06:04] <_bradk> Jordan_U: https://pastebin.com/6mL8vHP8
[06:04] <dan01> Jordan_U: the strange thing, if he boots from USB, he can see and boot his system.
[06:06] <Haxxa> deluged is broken due to a python3 logging bug
[06:06] <Haxxa> in vocal
[06:06] <Jordan_U> dan01: Please pastebin the output of "sudo blkid" and the contents of /etc/fstab from that system.
[06:07] <_bradk> aside from this dropout problem, i'm pretty impressed with 20.04 - the hardware i'm running this on is junk (t420s, 8GB of ram, a i5-2520M cpu and a crappy 120GB ssd) and it's significantly faster than 19.10
[06:08] <dan01> Jordan_U: If it helps, he's a sleep now :)) here's fstab (it's before he also tried to install ubuntu) and parted -l
[06:08] <dan01> https://pastebin.com/28uZjXBk
[06:09] <Jordan_U> _bradk: Please pastebin the output of "systemctl list-unit-files --state=enabled
[06:11] <_bradk> Jordan_U: https://pastebin.com/R6wdbDxk
[06:14] <Jordan_U> _bradk: Can you reproduce the problem from an Ubuntu 20.04 LiveUSB?
[06:17] <_bradk> i haven't tried yet
[06:17] <_bradk> i suppose i could load it up and see if i lose connectivity
[06:17] <_bradk> i think setting the power saving mode from 3 to 2 has helped
[06:19] <Jordan_U> _bradk: "lspci -k"
[06:19] <Haxxa> Ok so deluged (the one included in ubuntu's repo) doesn't work with python 3.8 but ubuntu 20.04 comes with it, using latest dev branch causes new things to break, so not sure how to get this working??
[06:21] <Rojola> hi
[06:21] <Rojola> what program / app / etc. would you recommend for keeping track of topics learned at home?  (home-school)
[06:21] <Rojola> I found
[06:22] <Rojola> https://minidiary.app   <== no hashtags supported
[06:22] <Rojola> https://rednotebook.sourceforge.io/
[06:22] <Rojola> ^ also, no hashtags supported :(
[06:22] <Rojola> it's necessary to search by date + hashtags
[06:23] <Rojola> for example:  March 01 - March 30    #math #algebra
[06:26] <Rojola> I just had to reconnect to my router, but the IRC server did not notice I was gone.
[06:26] <Rojola> if anyone replied in the meantime,  please tell me again
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> Rojola: please dont use this channel for every step you are doing, focus on ubuntu issues only
[06:31] <Rojola> lotuspsychje, well, where else should I go?
[06:31] <Rojola> lotuspsychje, I am on Ubuntu Linux
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> Rojola: we have #ubuntu-offtopic and #ubuntu-discuss for other chat that does not fit here
[06:33] <Rojola> lotuspsychje, I don't believe, that my question will get any attention is these low-traffic-channels you mentioned,  but ok
[06:34] <Rojola> let's try it
[06:35] <lotuspsychje> Rojola: thats not what i meant, you need to divide support questions with offtopic chatting, in the right channels that suit for it
[06:40] <Guest_41> Hello all. Where can I find the "alternate server install" image for Ubuntu 20.04 amd64  ?
[06:49] <Jordan_U> Guest_41: Seems like it's officially gone: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/server-installer-plans-for-20-04-lts/13631 why did you want to use the alternate installer?
[06:54] <lotuspsychje> !rootirc | mdh
[07:19] <p0a> Hello new ubuntu was released right?
[07:19] <luna_> yeah
[07:20] <p0a> "Use the Ubuntu terminal and run Linux applications on Windows." :/
[07:20] <luna_> aka WSL
[07:20] <lotuspsychje> p0a: can we help you with something?
[07:23] <oxek> where can I find the list of known issues with 20.04?
[07:24] <lotuspsychje> oxek: are you looking for all the bugs, or the releasenote bugs?
[07:24] <oxek> release note bugs please
[07:24] <lotuspsychje> !20.04 | oxek
[07:25] <oxek> the ubuntu webpage is not the best experience in accesibility, thank you
[07:28] <takov751> hello there
[07:28] <takov751> installation question
[07:28] <takov751> I am trying to help a friend
[07:29] <lotuspsychje> takov751: and your question is?
[07:30] <takov751> he would like to install 20.04 with the partition layout  : |250 MB EFI| 512 MB ext4 /boot|  | LVM[100GB ext4 root | rest ext /home] however the graphical installation just crashing each time i am trying to reproduce this layout
[07:30] <takov751> As he still new to linux i would like to aid him to learn more, but for that he needs a working OS
[07:30] <p0a> How do you know it crashed?
[07:31] <takov751> I am trying to reproduce the installation process in KVM.
[07:32] <takov751> I choose something else,but there is no option to create lvm. The second thing is that i try to create a encrypted block device its works ,but loses all the benefits of the LVM. Should i just create an LVM before installation?
[07:35] <bsvo> What's the future for Ubuntu - Xorg or Wayland?
[07:35] <takov751> The automatic installation in ecrypted LVM does the job ,but the partitioning in the LVM is just not the right one for his use, and the swap partition is mandatory which is a bit painfull to remove
[07:35] <takov751> managable just a pain in the bacon
[07:35] <p0a> bsvo: you're in my head
[07:35] <p0a> bsvo: I was just thinking that. It will be decided in a future ubuntu development summit
[07:37] <bsvo> I ran in to a "bug" on xorg. So I was trying out wayland and  I don't see the "bug". I was wondering if I should stick to wayland. It's always been Xorg.
[07:37] <bsvo> Unity is dead, isn't it?
[07:38] <lotuspsychje> bsvo: unity is not dead, its still installable in the repos
[07:39] <bsvo> yeah, but it's not being developed anymore, is it?
[07:41] <p0a> bsvo: well, wayland is definitely active, so if you're happy with it
[07:41] <p0a> you may as well keep using it
[07:42] <bsvo> yeah, i
[07:42] <bsvo> 'll give it a try
[07:42] <Jordan_U> bsvo: I can't imagine a future where Ubuntu uses Xorg as its primary and default display server.
[07:46] <hendry> Friend of mine just installed 20.04, and he said he didn't have an option for Encryption whilst installing it
[07:46] <bsvo> Wayland seems to be the future. But I've read that it requires applications changes. Let's wait and see.
[07:46] <hendry> Is encryption a manual process like https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Full_Disk_Encryption_Howto_2019 seems to imply?
[07:51] <takov751> lotuspsychje now i am just trying to create what i believe will be alright and we will see.
[07:53] <mcphail> hendry: I've installed Mate 20.04 a few times over the past few days and encryption was certainly an option. I don't think you get the option if you choose zfs on root, though
[07:55] <hendry> mcphail: hmmm, wonder where the option was or how it was presented so I can point him to what he did wrong
[07:56] <mcphail> Certainly, the installer used by Mate puts it right in front of your. It might be different if you're doing custom partitioning, though
[08:01] <doomlist3> what's the cmd to get info on subliminal package description
[08:04] <Jordan_U> doomlist3: apt show subliminal
[08:06] <oldguy> Hi all - Problem with libreoffice help (all modules) hit F1 or choose Help from menu produces an eror. I have gggled this and found on XUbuntu user reporting the same thing. I have tried on both Ubuntu and Kubuntu, same outcome.
[08:06] <ubuking> hey! :D
[08:06] <ubuking> !isitout
[08:32] <hendry> mcphail: is "Secure boot" FDE ?
[08:40] <dan01> I have a question that I'll be hated for
[08:41] <dan01> Does anyone know if Ubuntu 20.04 can be installed, not just that it boots, on a mac with T2 chip?
[08:56] <SJudge> oldguy: You'd probably be best reporting that directly to the Libre Office team https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugReport
[08:59] <oldguy> SJudge: ok will do.
[09:03] <esotericnonsense> hey all. I have a machine here that I've just booted 20.04 on. the keyboard partially works! it allows me to do things like press the meta key and then type e.g. "Terminal" or "Firefox" and open applications
[09:03] <esotericnonsense> but then once they are open, it doesn't work. I can't type in the terminal or in the FF address bar. any ideas?
[09:03] <hendry> Friend re-installed Ubuntu with encryption option and it nukes Windows... well done Ubuntu... well done
[09:07] <esotericnonsense> reboot fixed it, odd
[09:08] <Silmarilion> Anyone else experiencing slow download of snap packages?
[10:00] <pankaj> ls
[10:00] <pankaj> Sorry
[10:00] <luna_> dir
[10:04] <Blendphys> Hello. Upon "sudo apt-get install python-pip" which exists it says: cannot find python-pip. Any idea?
[10:05] <brainwash> Blendphys: python3-pip maybe
[10:06] <Blendphys> well, that is python3 then!
[10:06] <brainwash> but you need the old python(2)?
[10:06] <Blendphys> What is quite bizarre is that python3-pip is in the list when you use the tab key
[10:06] <ducasse> Blendphys: is this 20.04?
[10:06] <Blendphys> yep, old python2
[10:07] <Blendphys> 2.7
[10:07] <ducasse> pytrhon2 is gone in 20.04
[10:07] <Blendphys> I meant python-pip and not python3-pip
[10:07] <ducasse> read the release notes
[10:07] <Blendphys> okay
[10:08] <Blendphys> but there was a python is python2 thing I used
[10:08] <ducasse> python2 is eol, though
[10:08] <brainwash> it is not gone, just not used by the default installation anymore
[10:08] <Blendphys> when now using 'python' it is python2.7
[10:08] <luna_> 3 i would guess
[10:09] <brainwash> !info python-pip
[10:09] <luna_> !info python
[10:09] <brainwash> !info python-pip focal
[10:09] <Blendphys> aha
[10:10] <luna_> !info python focal
[10:10] <luna_> :o
[10:10] <brainwash> ...
[10:10] <Blendphys> brainwash, but in the terminal, type sudo apt install python-pi and then 'tab' key, python-pip is listed!
[10:10] <brainwash> no need to spam the command
[10:10] <luna_> !info python3
[10:10] <brainwash> Blendphys: try python-pip-whl
[10:11] <Blendphys> brainwash, what is this, whl?
[10:13] <brainwash> Blendphys: actually, no idea
[10:13] <brainwash> it's there in focal
[10:13] <brainwash> while python-pip is gone
[10:14] <Blendphys> brainwash, :). I tried and, yes, I can install it. But pip is not installed
[10:14] <brainwash> then it's probably something else :/
[10:14] <Blendphys> hmmm, quite annoying this that ubuntu is always doing so massive changes ... .
[10:15] <Blendphys> In 18.04 they also kicked pdftk ! Interestingly, pdf is now back in ubuntu.
[10:15] <brainwash> but python2 is EOL
[10:15] <Blendphys> In 18.04 they also kicked pdftk ! Interestingly, pdf is now back in ubuntu 20.04
[10:15] <brainwash> it is dead
[10:16] <Blendphys> brainwash, sure ... but having 2.7 as an option is still of importance
[10:16] <brainwash> python2.7 should be still in the repository
[10:17] <Blendphys> Anyway, thanks a lot ... I have to change my progs now to python3
[10:17] <brainwash> now? :)
[10:17] <brainwash> you had over a decade time for that :D
[10:17] <Blendphys> brainwash, yes 2.7 is there but it seems that the environment is not (at least some of it)
[10:17] <Blendphys> brainwash, yep, true ;-)
[10:18] <Blendphys> Okay, thx, cheers and read you ...
[10:43] <JoeMerit> i like how ubuntu estimates how long the upgrade will take over a 56k modem
[10:43] <JoeMerit> solid feature
[10:44] <Xard> in 20.04 nautilus "Star" functionality is broken as context menu item does absolutely nothing when clicked
[10:45] <Ben64> star?
[10:45] <Xard> there's a new nautilus sidebar section "Starred" for files marked as "star"
[10:47] <Xard> https://superuser.com/questions/1359253/how-to-remove-starred-tab-in-gnomes-nautilus - seems like it's a Tracker feature
[10:48] <Xard> but the Tracker indexing service is not installed by deafult if I got this right
[10:48] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:50] <brainwash> Xard: isn't it pulled in by nautilus?
[10:52] <Xard> brainwash: oh yeah, you are right, it's installed
[10:54] <Xard> Okay, in ~/ the files can be starred but nautilus doesn't show it in any way in icon mode
[10:55] <Xard> and if I try to star any files inside of places like ~/Documents/ the starring doesn't work from the list view column either
[10:56] <brainwash> Xard: looks like a feature that was badly implemented
[10:57] <Xard> that looks like a neat concept but the execution is way really badly done in multiple ways
[10:57] <Xard> first of all it's broken where it's supposed work: ie. under home directories which are tracked
[10:58] <typewriter_> Hey all! Does anyone know how to change the default "Super + Spacebar" way of changing keyboard layouts in Ubuntu 20.04?
[10:58] <Xard> secondly it doesn't show any feedback why it doesn't work
[10:58] <brainwash> Xard: best to open a new report https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/nautilus/issues
[10:59] <Xard> also I really don't like the fact that the column is shown when nothing is starred
[10:59] <Xard> okay, that's not a bug but still
[11:04] <Haxxa> time to install focal-somerville-three-eyed-raven
[11:08] <Xard> got to say that the out-of-the-box selectable dark mode is now HUGE win
[11:09] <Xard> unfortunately the gnome shell theme doesn't respect this :(
[11:13] <jkelol111> Xard, you need the Users Theme extension from the `gnome-shell-extensions` package. More in this guide: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2020/04/enable-full-dark-mode-in-ubuntu-20-04
[11:13] <Xard> and speaking of shell theme the desktop icon font size seems to be tied to it
[11:13] <Xard> jkelol111: oh, nice!
[11:16] <Xard> It's also nice bonus that the adwaita is now included by default even though it requires activation from gnome tweaks
[11:35] <jkelol111> I hope this shell theme change would be in 20.10...it's quite annoying having to download so many things to enjoy a 'full' dark experience
[11:36] <sumagna> i didnt have to download anything for dark theme
[11:37] <Night_Elf> Hello all. I have a joystick/controller that I want to disable two of its axis. I know I can use jscal but am not sure how that is done, am not fully understanding the manpage for that. Any hints on how to do that? Or if there is some other way to do it?
[11:39] <JadedJ> I can't seem to bring up my usb wifi interface
[11:40] <JadedJ> this is the output for the wifi interface when i type 'ip link show'
 mtu 1500 qdisc mq state DOWN mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000
[11:43] <tarelerulz> Is there away for Ubuntu to live inside of the ram ?  Not made ramdisk for storing a file ,but the whole os.
[11:44] <ioria> tarelerulz, i remember the 'toram' kernel parameter
[11:45] <ioria> tarelerulz,  with the livecd obviously
[11:46] <tarelerulz> Is live cd all ram ? am I understand that correct?
[11:48] <ioria> tarelerulz,  not completely
[11:49] <tarelerulz> So what is happening?
[11:49] <Xard> jkelol111: yeah, it would be good if a dark mode would be a only "go to settings > toggle on"
[11:49] <ioria> tarelerulz,  things not already loaded into RAM
[11:50] <Xard> besides this gnome-shell tweak you setup qt5ct to get QT programs to look as expected :<
[11:51] <jkelol111> I haven't done that yet...although the grand total of my Qt apps are 0 so :)
[11:52] <Xard> I'm using konversation and vlc which both need this
[11:52] <tarelerulz>  Say I did live in ram . If load  say a partition with movies on it ,  I just get access right not loaded into my system so it takes up the space of that partition?
[11:52] <rud0lf> jkelol111: you're a Qt *blush*
[11:53] <jkelol111> ha
[11:54] <jkelol111> sumagna: the dark theme switch is built into GNOME Settings in 20.04 but it is not wired up to change the **shell** theme
[11:54] <Xard> but I got to say that I really like the yaru-dark: it's just not as dark as adwaita dark, bit more compact and fits really well with the new icon theme
[11:54] <jkelol111> I personally like the Orange in Yaru
[11:54] <Xard> I used 18.04 with adwaita dark and was quite happy with it compared to the old stock themes
[11:56] <Xard> one thing which i
[11:56] <Xard> I'm not yet completely pleased is the terminal color scheme
[11:57] <Xard> it's quite gaudy and some colors are not that well visible against the background
[12:02] <Xard> yeah, I had to restart shell to get the gnome shell extension working... bit funny is that the yaru-dark is actually included by default there's just no way to access with without installing the custom theme plugin
[12:03] <Xard> but it works now and fits perfectly with the rest of the yaru-dark
[12:06] <jkelol111> I find some of the other extensions in the `gnome-shell-extensions` package useful too
[12:06] <Xard> also it seems that the shell theme now picks my primary font which is extra nice!
[12:07] <Xard> I'm using semibold Open Sans hack variant which doesn't have any lighter variant which forces the UI to accept it as otherwise it always falls back to regular
[12:08] <Xard> it has very nice form and super readable
[12:08] <Xard> KDE accepts font weight variants directly so there's a room for improvement for gnome
[12:18] <Nobrega> hello: any can read it?
[12:19] <Nobrega> how i can report this link are broken: https://releases.ubuntu.com/20.04/ubuntu-20.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[12:19] <Nobrega> is downloading up to 2.0Gb and stop get bytes
[12:20] <Nobrega> =(
[12:20] <Nobrega> ;(
[12:20] <Xard> sounds like some caching service has been broken in the middle
[12:21] <znf> Hi. This is bugging me a lot -- but for the same tzdata, why does Ubuntu 20.04's "date" report the time-format in 12 hours AM/PM rather than 24 hour time? (when compared to 18.04)
[12:21] <Nobrega> the alternative are good
[12:21] <Xard> znf: date as in terminal command date?
[12:22] <znf> Xard, yup
[12:22] <znf> yes, I know you can pass flags/format, that's not the point tough
[12:22] <coconut> Nobrega: i can try to download it here for you if you like? Takes some time though...
[12:22] <Xard> znf: i think it's related to locale
[12:22] <znf> Xard, same locale
[12:22] <coconut> just to see if i have the same problem
[12:22] <Xard> znf: what's your LC_TIME?
[12:23] <znf> Xard, LC_TIME="en_US.UTF-8" on all systems
[12:23] <Xard> yep: there's your problem
[12:23] <Xard> that is always 12h
[12:23] <Nobrega> @coconut: i have download ok, but i only hope info that is broken
[12:23] <znf> Xard, it's not...
[12:23] <znf> it has ALWAYS been 24 hours previously
[12:23] <znf> 18.04, 16.04, 12.04
[12:24] <Nobrega> i have downloaded from alternative server, ok
[12:24] <Xard> znf: if I use my own locale the 24h works as expected
[12:25] <znf> like I said - using the same locale, same tzdata
[12:25] <znf> 20.04 reports time by default in AM/PM, compared to 18.04 which was 24hr
[12:26] <coconut> Nobrega: so no problems?
[12:26] <Nobrega> ?
[12:26] <Nobrega> sorry my bad english
[12:27] <coconut> Nobrega: no problem, i have the same problem there
[12:27] <Xard> znf: try with "LC_TIME=c date" for instance
[12:28] <znf> Xard, why would I want to change that? I don't care to change the LC_ stuff, when in previous releases it was working as expected...
[12:28] <Nobrega> I managed to download the .ISO from a server in the bad country, but the link https://mirror.globo.com/ubuntu/releases/20.04/ubuntu-20.04-desktop-amd64.iso is broken or something, the download comes nomal up to 2.0GB and then to, I looked for where to report the problem but I didn't find it, I know that others must have noticed this.
[12:28] <Nobrega> translation.
[12:29] <Xard> znf: it's probably a bug as en_US.UTF-8 is supposed to be 12h
[12:29] <Nobrega> oops
[12:29] <znf> Xard, doubt it
[12:29] <Nobrega> https://mirror.globo.com/ubuntu/releases/20.04/ubuntu-20.04-desktop-amd64.iso are good
[12:30] <Nobrega> https://releases.ubuntu.com/20.04/ubuntu-20.04-desktop-amd64.iso are bad
[12:30] <zvrk> Nobrega, did you download iso or not
[12:30] <Nobrega> i have ok sorry by many types
[12:33] <Xard> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1710470 - "It's a clear bug in the en_US locale (English for the United States).  They don't use a 24-hour clock, after all."
[12:33] <Nobrega> how i make sercure log off ?
[12:35] <Xard> for some reason the gnome shell clock doesn't use locale formatting
[12:37] <znf> that's very annoying
[12:40] <Xard> one thing which I would love is to get LC_TIME=ISO-8601 and force it everwhere at once
[12:48] <genhaoqi> Hello! Is  the  https://paste.ubuntu.com/  websit open source?
[12:56] <Xard> https://translate.google.com/#view=home&op=translate&sl=auto&tl=en&text=yaru - Oh my...
[13:01] <Vigdis> Hi, I want to use disk encryption for a server. I used to download for 19.10 (and previous) the "Alternative Ubuntu Server installer" to be able to use disk encryption but I don't find such iso for 20.04. Was it merged into the vanilla iso or am I missing something?
[13:02] <CrazySam> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bind9
[13:02] <CrazySam> "dnsutils: Transitional package for bind9-dnsutils"
[13:02] <quadrathoch2> Vigdis, sadly the alternative installer was deprecated in favor of the live installer (first version is 20.04)
[13:02] <CrazySam> What is meant by "transitional package"?
[13:03] <CrazySam> Is it a package in itself or is it just an alias for a package with a different name?
[13:03] <Vigdis> quadrathoch2, will I be able to use disk encryption with the live installer? I don't mind using it if it has that feature now :)
[13:03] <quadrathoch2> Vigdis, yes that feature is available
[13:04] <Vigdis> quadrathoch2, thanks your the help!
[13:04] <quadrathoch2> Vigdis, no problem at all :)
[14:23] <gst568923> Why jitsi is not present in the official ubuntu repository?
[14:26] <quadrathoch2> gst568923, jitsi as in what? i mean there is no client need
[14:28] <gst568923> quadrathoch2 jitsi linux client desktop https://desktop.jitsi.org/Main/DebianRepository
[14:30] <Psi-Jack> Heh.
[14:30] <gareppa> 20.04 is great! however, during the update i configured it so that it uses capslock to change keyboard layout )i have 2 keyboards on this machine. I HATE IT!. how do i undo itù
[14:31] <Psi-Jack> I wonder if the WiFi issues, and sound chipset issues, I'd had in 18.04 and 19.10 will still be present (or even worse).
[14:31] <quadrathoch2> gst568923, hm, good question, maybe there was interest from an ubuntu packager
[14:32] <quadrathoch2> as most ppl just use the web client probably
[14:32] <Psi-Jack> "people", not "ppl" :p
[14:32] <quadrathoch2> well it's a shortform
[14:32] <Psi-Jack> No, it's crapform.
[14:33] <quadrathoch2> whatever you mean
[14:33] <quadrathoch2> gst568923, that's maybe another reason. on their website "Jitsi Desktop is no longer actively maintained by the Jitsi team under 8×8; but it is still maintained, by the community."
[14:35] <Psi-Jack> quadrathoch2: Not that I'm enforcement, but just a denizen here, but it's kinda part of channel policy about the use of that "shortform" being suggested against doing. Hopefully that helps you understand better. :)
[14:35] <gst568923> I installed openjdk 11 and openjdk 8 in my system, openjdk 8 I only need to run the `jitsi` program because with the java 11 version it doesn't work. I would like to know how can I run `jtsi` using opendjk 8 temporarily, without having to persistently change the java configuration with this` sudo update-alternatives --config java` command?
[14:36] <Psi-Jack> With that, moving on. I'm looking up my hardware on my laptop again so I can recall what issues I was having before, that I had fixes for but with 20.04 being so new hmmm.
[14:37] <quadrathoch2> Psi-Jack, sorry then, as I never had issues because of that (in the past)
[14:38] <quadrathoch2> I mean here in the channel
[14:39] <Psi-Jack> heh, Oooh, Intel Multimedia audio controller device 02c8. Very... Descriptive. LOL
[14:40] <Psi-Jack> And, of course, Intel Network controller device 02f0. Also, very descriptive.
[14:40] <quadrathoch2> Psi-Jack, even with -vvv?
[14:40] <Psi-Jack> Even with. heh
[14:41] <Xard> I guess all shortforms which expect users to know how to pronounce clever linguistic hacks can be extra annoying for non native speakers
[14:43] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm, yeah, one PPA I have is the iwlwifi-eoan.
[14:44] <Psi-Jack> That was the only way to reliably get my WiFi on my Lenovo Yoga tabtop to work, but that of course, removed support for all other WiFi adapters in the process.
[14:47] <Psi-Jack> Huh, well.. That was unexpected. do-release-upgrade said there's no new releases found.
[14:47] <Psi-Jack> Yet... I'm on 19.10.
[14:48] <quadrathoch2> probably give it a day or two, because I can remember it being shifted a little bit, so a few kinks could be flatten out
[14:49] <Psi-Jack> Ahhh. When did 20.04 release
[14:49] <quadrathoch2> 2 days ago
[14:49] <Psi-Jack> Aha.... Okay then. Som, yeah, too soon. :)
[14:51] <oerheks> Psi-Jack, meanwhile, start some artwork for 20.10 groovy gorilla
[14:51] <DJones> Psi-Jack: Release notes say it will be a couple of days after release before people get prompted to upgrade
[14:51] <Psi-Jack> Yep. I was looking at just that actually.
[14:51] <Psi-Jack> 18.04 people would be delayed till 20.04.1, in fact.
[14:52] <quadrathoch2> Psi-Jack, yep, as most people would see 20.04 as a normal release and only 20.04.1 is the first "lts" release
[14:52] <quadrathoch2> and most businesses do upgrade at the earliest with .1
[14:53] <Psi-Jack> heh yeah
[14:53] <Psi-Jack> Well, I'
[14:53] <Psi-Jack> I'm gonna risk it with a -d. ;)
[14:54] <quadrathoch2> Psi-Jack, how could you :p.
[14:54] <Psi-Jack> On my tabtop, at least. :)
[14:56] <quadrathoch2> tabbaty top Psi-Jack? ^^
[14:56] <Psi-Jack> Tabtop. It's my answer to the ever lingering question of what the heck you actually call a laptop that flips all the way over and can be used as both a laptop and tablet. Too many stupid names exist. "Convertable", or "2-in-1", or, whatever else... "Tabtop" just makes the most sense.
[14:58] <quadrathoch2> makes sense, idk convertible for me is a car type :) and I am not even into cars :(
[14:58] <Psi-Jack> Exactly!
[14:58] <Psi-Jack> And it's not really "converting", it's just flipping.
[14:59] <Psi-Jack> So the upgrade is so far... Going very fast. (likely due to internet speed, and NVMe, heh heh)
[15:00] <quadrathoch2> Psi-Jack, hope it's working out, as I heard those yogas are not the best for linux
[15:00] <Psi-Jack> It's been great, except for the specifics of sound and intel wifi support, specifically.
[15:01] <quadrathoch2> well wifi seems always to be the most problematic, but sound oO
[15:01] <Psi-Jack> They work, mind you, but kernel issues do exist that breaks functionality.
[15:01] <anotherandomguy> hi guys,  is it me or was i able to unlock encrypted partitions upon login in into ubuntu?
[15:02] <anotherandomguy> as in on 19.10 i could do this but on 20.04 it seems impossible
[15:02] <Psi-Jack> Your question makes no sense.
[15:03] <quadrathoch2> hm, maybe it was ecryptfs or sth like that? but as far as I remember it was well before 19.10 where it got removed
[15:03] <quadrathoch2> (at least for new installs)
[15:03] <Psi-Jack> sth? Store-The-Handle? :p
[15:03] <anotherandomguy> now, each time i log in i need to unlock my partitions and mount them. This was not the case on 19.10 or earlier
[15:03] <quadrathoch2> arg damn, sorry, something
[15:04] <Psi-Jack> Hehe
[15:04] <anotherandomguy> unlocking 3 partitions each time i log on is something i would remember :-)
[15:04] <Psi-Jack> I have never seen Ubuntu "unlock partitions", during login.
[15:04] <Psi-Jack> During boot, yes. During login? No.
[15:04] <anotherandomguy> i'll rephrase, they where available to me when i logged in
[15:05] <quadrathoch2> Psi-Jack, there was an option to encrypt /home for the users, but that was a long time ago, and I think you could chain other mount points into that
[15:05] <Psi-Jack> quadrathoch2: But that's not a "partition"
[15:05] <quadrathoch2> that's why I'm saying that you could chain other mount points to that unlocking of the home folder for the user
[15:05] <Psi-Jack> And he seems to be talking about actual partitions. heh
[15:06] <anotherandomguy> hmm
[15:06] <Psi-Jack> Hmmmm... Never heard of that either.
[15:06] <Psi-Jack> The chaining..
[15:06] <anotherandomguy> there's 3 drives in my PC and four partitions
[15:06] <anotherandomguy> sda = OS
[15:06] <quadrathoch2> it's honestly when you use the password for multiple unlocks
[15:07] <quadrathoch2> but can't remember too much about it, as I just encrypt the whole disk
[15:07] <anotherandomguy> sdb = data & 2 partions and there is sdc = data no partions
[15:07] <anotherandomguy> everything encrypted
[15:07] <Psi-Jack> LUKS FDE?
[15:07] <anotherandomguy> Luks
[15:08] <Psi-Jack> Personally, I only encrypt my mobile devices that I'd actually carry around with me.
[15:08] <Psi-Jack> Stationary computers, that overhead is unnecessary for the most part.
[15:09] <anotherandomguy> ok but that's a discussion on preferences and not on functionallity
[15:09] <Psi-Jack> Correct.
[15:09] <Psi-Jack> Do you get prompted for the encryption password for these partitions during boot?
[15:10] <anotherandomguy> the only thing i changed when installing 20.04 is that wanted partitioned my "OS disk" to have a separate partition for /home
[15:10] <anotherandomguy> could that be what you refer to when you say "chained"?
[15:10] <Psi-Jack> Not likely, no.
[15:10] <anotherandomguy> no, i don't get prompted
[15:11] <anotherandomguy> i need to open disks, enter the encryption key and mount the volume each time
[15:13] <JPeisach> ok, test
[15:13] <quadrathoch2> i think it goes in the direction of this here: https://vitobotta.com/2018/01/13/ubuntu-automatically-unlock-encrypted-drives-at-boot/
[15:13] <JPeisach> great.
[15:13] <JPeisach> Hello everyone
[15:13] <quadrathoch2> Hi JPeisach
[15:13] <JPeisach> hello
[15:14] <mrhubris> quadrathoch2 i found that article but i can't remember doing it that way
[15:14] <quadrathoch2> mrhubris, maybe back then it was more 'automatic'
[15:14] <Iarla> Is it possible to resize an exfat partition on Ubuntu? GParted doesn't support it.
[15:15] <Psi-Jack> Well, upgrade worked, turned my background black.
[15:15] <quadrathoch2> I mean that article is a little bit older
[15:15] <mrhubris> quadrathoch2 well i'm not understanding it that's for sure
[15:15] <mrhubris> :-)
[15:15] <oerheks> Iarla, one better uses windows for that
[15:15] <JPeisach> brb
[15:15] <Psi-Jack> WiFi Works! :D
[15:15] <Ublx> hello i am using ubuntu/gnome. can i just install xfce and try this one at the login? or could there be problems with other software, ...?
[15:15] <Psi-Jack> Sound works too! Dang! Finally. :D
[15:16] <ItzSwirlz> oy
[15:16] <ItzSwirlz> craziness
[15:16] <oerheks> Ublx, sure, install xubuntu-desktop, and switch at login
[15:16] <ItzSwirlz> still learning irc
[15:17] <quadrathoch2> Ublx, it is possible, but if you can avoid it you can avoid a lot of headaches. you could just spin up a Virtual machine, or use a live usb
[15:17] <Psi-Jack> Sound /was/ working before, but I just recall 5.4.x when I tested out Fedora on this tabtop, sound /stopped/ working specifically, because of specific unique kernel introduced issues.
[15:17] <quadrathoch2> Psi-Jack, so it was fixed later on? or why does it work :p
[15:18] <Psi-Jack> Either it was fixed in kernel, or Ubuntu did some things to fix it before release, or something occured.
[15:18] <Psi-Jack> Whatever the case may be. it works for me, and that's what matters. :D
[15:18] <ItzSwirlz> Good
[15:18] <quadrathoch2> maybe both Psi-Jack :)
[15:18] <Psi-Jack> Quite possibly.
[15:19] <Iarla> oerheks: I'm using exfat to share disks between macOS, Ubuntu (knowing a Windows machine could be a possibiliyt in the future)
[15:19] <Psi-Jack> Now... If only I could stop the on-screen keyboard from popping up, all the time.
[15:19] <Iarla> EXT4 is not supported on older Macs. But I've just learned that ZFS is supported by 3rd parties for MacOS. Maybe that would be better?
[15:19] <Psi-Jack> That's STILL an issue. :/
[15:20] <Psi-Jack> Iarla: Well, I have ext4 support through 3rd party.
[15:20] <Psi-Jack> Paragon Software, best dern thing.
[15:20] <Iarla> Psi-Jack: what version of macOS you on?
[15:20] <oerheks> Iarla, GParted can not resize exFAT partitions, so find a manual to do it on comandline, i would not try it.
[15:20] <quadrathoch2> huh why not just exfat?
[15:20] <Psi-Jack> Iarla: Latest.
[15:20] <mrhubris> on this topic, what filesystem would you pick to have support on windows, linux and mac?
[15:21] <mrhubris> fat, ntfs, ...?
[15:21] <oerheks> install exfat-fuse and exfat-utils, and read theman page
[15:21] <Psi-Jack> Windows too? Ugh...
[15:21] <quadrathoch2> exfat, as it is now a first citizen on linux also :) (5.6 and above)
[15:21] <Psi-Jack> If you HAVE to include Windows in that list, NTFS. but if only macOS and Linux, extFS.
[15:22] <mrhubris> nah windows is in it i'm afraid
[15:22] <Iarla> Psi-Jack: I'm on 10.11 and I've read of potential problems.
[15:22] <mrhubris> couldn't convince the wife to use libreoffice :-)
[15:22] <Psi-Jack> That's... Ancient.. By many years. Why so old?
[15:22] <Psi-Jack> mrhubris: SoftMaker Office.
[15:22] <Iarla> Psi-Jack: Because when I bought it it was 2011 :)
[15:23] <Psi-Jack> Try her on FreeOffice, then upgrade to SoftMaker Office if she likes it. :)_
[15:23] <mrhubris> is that so much similar to MS Office?
[15:23] <Psi-Jack> mrhubris: It is. And costs a lot less.
[15:23] <mrhubris> i'm going to check that out. I would love to get rid of windows if i can
[15:23] <Ublx> quadrathoch2: but i want to test the performance and therefore i need it at the harddisk and not virtual or on usb. what could be possible problems?
[15:24] <Psi-Jack> Hence, I brought it up. Softmaker Office is available for Windows, macOS, and yes, Linux.
[15:24] <HoleSystem> how do I switch workplaces on ubuntu?
[15:24] <Psi-Jack> Ctrl+Alt+Down/Up
[15:24] <oerheks> HoleSystem, see the shortkeys in systemsettings
[15:25] <quadrathoch2> Ublx, using a live usb should still give you most of the performce (except disk operations, that's for sure, but even with usb3 it's not *that* bad)
[15:25] <oerheks> Ublx, there is no problem, just install xubuntu-desktop
[15:26] <quadrathoch2> oerheks, so no issues with multiple packages hm
[15:26] <Psi-Jack> Iarla: I mean.... Upgrades are important.... LOL
[15:26] <Psi-Jack> Securatay!
[15:26] <HoleSystem> oerheks, I don't see shortkeys in settings
[15:27] <HoleSystem> Psi-Jack, thanks
[15:27] <oerheks> systemsettings > devices > keyboard
[15:27] <Iarla> Psi-Jack: still getting security updates :)
[15:28] <HoleSystem> oerheks, thanks I found it
[15:28] <Ublx> quadrathoch2: my laptop only has usb 2.0. hm. maybe i first try a new installation on another partition. just to be safe.
[15:29] <quadrathoch2> Ublx, as my last install with 2 different DEs are a very long time in the past, who knows, maybe it got way better
[15:32] <Ublx> ok, thanks quadrathoch2. but it's helpful to hear your opinion.
[15:36] <quadrathoch2> Psi-Jack, interesting. even my stationary pcs are encrypted. just feels better ;)
[15:36] <Hamilton> I have this annoying problem. Whenever I switch keyboard lang to Persian (RTL), key-combs like Ctrl+A or Ctrl+Z stop working. How to fix this?>
[15:37] <Psi-Jack> quadrathoch2: Slower, unnecessarily, you mean? ;)
[15:37]  * Psi-Jack ducks and takes his dogs outside.
[15:38] <quadrathoch2> what do you mean by slower? typing in the password? ^^
[15:41] <Psi-Jack> Encryption of hard disk drives does slow things down.
[15:42] <Psi-Jack> Instead of all that. I have home automation and security in the house. Hehe
[15:43] <walter__> hi, I need a big help, installed latest ubuntu and something got bad and IBus crashes and the shutdownd freezes, the rest is ok
[15:44] <quadrathoch2> Psi-Jack, i see the point for home automation, but it's not for me :p
[15:44] <quadrathoch2> walter__, we need more info ;)
[15:44] <walter__> from log?
[15:44] <walter__> *log
[15:44] <quadrathoch2> yeah would help
[15:44] <walter__> what file?
[15:45] <quadrathoch2> walter__,if you can find the right section syslog probably
[15:46] <fks> survey:  if freenode requires your phone # verification:  would you still use freenode or stop using freenode?  type  "use" or "stop"  please
[15:47] <Hamilton> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1226962
[15:47] <Hamilton> Isn't this bug fixed in 18.04?
[15:47] <Hamilton> It's not related to unity
[15:50] <takov751> stop
[15:50] <takov751> hello there
[15:50] <quadrathoch2> Hamilton, at least from me giving it a few secs, it looks like it wasn't fixed in bionic
[15:50] <takov751> Does anyone has experience with full disk encryption on ubuntu?
[15:51] <quadrathoch2> yes takov751
[15:51] <Psi-Jack> Asking to ask, not very useful.
[15:51] <Psi-Jack> Ask  your actual question, useful. :)
[15:51] <takov751> i am trying to follow this guide :https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Full_Disk_Encryption_Howto_2019#Selecting_UEFI_boot_mode
[15:51] <quadrathoch2> and?
[15:51] <takov751> everything seems allright however when i try to boot up. its just stays in grub prompt
[15:51] <walter__> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Jx7C5wYC4s/
[15:52] <Psi-Jack> Okay., I take that back earlier. Paragon Software has extFS for Windows as well. So, NTFS, no, never.
[15:52] <takov751> it seems like the efi grub hoob borked
[15:52] <takov751> hook
[15:53] <takov751> as i haven't seen any workable setup before i have no idea where's the problem
[15:53] <takov751> as i have done plenty setups before,just never done encrypted boot partition
[15:53] <walter__> ubuntu was installed on top of previous uefi windows 10
[15:55] <quadrathoch2> takov751, can you look at the grub conf file?
[15:56] <quadrathoch2> walter__, I can't find anything special :/
[15:57] <walter__> quadrathoch2, do you suggest something?
[15:57] <gst568923> ?
[15:57] <quadrathoch2> I am still not 100% sure what issue you have, walter__
[15:58] <takov751> quadrathoch2 wait i just reliased i might have foxtrot up. grub does not support luks2
[15:58] <quadrathoch2> takov751, yep you are right ;)
[15:58] <fks> survey:  if freenode requires your phone # verification:  would you still use freenode or stop using freenode?  type  "use" or "stop"  please
[15:58] <walter__> operantionally speaking the shutdown halts, dont complete
[15:58] <takov751> fks stop
[15:58] <takov751> OOH damn
[15:58] <takov751> :D
[15:59] <fks> takov751 wow really?
[15:59] <quadrathoch2> is it a laptop walter__ ?
[15:59] <miu5> hi, how would you use ppa's on Ubuntu 20.04 if most if not all of PPA's for programs are not ready for 20.04 ?
[15:59] <takov751> fks yes
[15:59] <walter__> quadrathoch2, desktop
[15:59] <miu5> coming from 18.04
[15:59] <quadrathoch2> miu5, nope
[15:59] <miu5> i asked how?
[15:59] <miu5> what is nope?
[15:59] <quadrathoch2> oh, i wouldn't
[16:00] <quadrathoch2> just stay with 18.04 or wait
[16:00] <miu5> quadrathoch2, why wait though?
[16:00] <quadrathoch2> you can break alot with using 18.04 ppas on 20.04
[16:00] <miu5> ah ok
[16:00] <miu5> dang
[16:00] <oerheks> fks, no surveys here, this is ubuntu technical support, thanks.
[16:00] <miu5> literally nothing is ready for 20.04
[16:01] <quadrathoch2> miu5, i mean it's out for 2 days, what do you expect?
[16:01] <oerheks> check launchpad for the status of those PPAs
[16:02] <miu5> lol i expect big programs like virtualbox to have their ppa's ready for 20.04 during testing phase.
[16:02] <quadrathoch2> walter__, weird, because normally desktops should work, did you look into if there is an update for your bios/uefi?
[16:03] <quadrathoch2> miu5, most start when the release happened, so they know what's in it, and that there are no breaking changes
[16:03] <oerheks> there is no virtualbox ppa, just the oracle repo
[16:04] <miu5> yes i meant to say the oracle repo.
[16:04] <quadrathoch2> why would you need that repo? as 6.1.6 is even in ubuntu
[16:05] <quadrathoch2> and that is the latest version
[16:05] <oerheks> our repos give 6.1 for Focal
[16:05] <oerheks> yeah, before complaining, check launchpad
[16:06] <oerheks> and releasenoted
[16:06] <miu5> oh ok
[16:06] <quadrathoch2> or just use packages.ubuntu.com/{package-name}
[16:06] <oerheks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseNotes
[16:06] <takov751> quadrathoch2 i will try again :) bless kvm ,so nice to test in VMs
[16:07] <quadrathoch2> takov751 yeah, vt-x gladly :)
[16:15] <asfa96> hello. i have tried to google it but haven't found answer. i am trying to install thunderbird https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/q5G6pzZJJN/ apt install says that it's installed but it's not. can u advise me what to do please?
[16:15] <oft_gegong> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=zsnes&searchon=names <--keeps getting Internal Service error 50% of the time
[16:16] <quadrathoch2> oft_gegong, for me it works every time i try it
[16:16] <oft_gegong> hm. maybe it was just bad luck then
[16:18] <quadrathoch2> asfa96, I would try to remove thunderbird and reinstall it
[16:18] <quadrathoch2> so it pulls in maybe missing other packages
[16:19] <blb4393> I've got this error message trying to 'do-release-upgrade -d' https://pastebin.com/KXFFraf2
[16:19] <blb4393> Any idea what does this mean?
[16:21] <quadrathoch2> did you make sure you are updated to the latest packages with an internet connection? blb4393
[16:22] <asfa96> quadrathoch2, thank you. after purge and install it works fine
[16:22] <peter22222> hi folks... I m trying to update my ubuntu 19.10 server with sudo do-release-upgrade. but i get an error "E: invalid operation do-release-upgrade". I have installed the update-manager-core already...
[16:22] <blb4393> sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade returns
[16:22] <quadrathoch2> asfa96, no problem
[16:22] <blb4393> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[16:24] <quadrathoch2> blb4393, well the log you gave, literally says that there is something wrong with the internet as it can't fetch the repo informations
[16:24] <peter22222> on /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades Prompt=normal ...
[16:27] <peter22222> got it... had a mistype... sorry guys
[16:27] <quadrathoch2> peter22222, hope your upgrade works :)
[16:28] <peter22222> quadrathoch2 .. running ;-) we ll see.. are you german?
[16:28] <quadrathoch2> depends on who you ask peter22222 :p
[16:28] <quadrathoch2> born austrian
[16:29] <ioria> blb4393, we can try something if you want (not guarantee)
[16:31] <peter22222> oh ein Österreicher ;-)
[16:31] <peter22222> sehr erfreut :-)
[16:32] <quadrathoch2> peter22222, auch sehr erfreut, man sieht selten welche :)
[16:33] <peter22222> ich bin allerdings ein Piefke hahaha
[16:33] <quadrathoch2> lol und ich bin hier im exil in de :p
[16:34] <peter22222> naja, es fällt nicht so auf, da hier die meisten englisch sprechen... im exil? flüchteste vor dem heiligen Sebastian?
[16:34] <quadrathoch2> nah, arbeit
[16:35] <peter22222>  :-) ok
[16:35] <blb4393> could it be that servers are busy now because every one updating now and because of that I have this problem
[16:36] <peter22222> blb4393 probably, my download rate is quite low too..
[16:37] <quadrathoch2> just do a fresh install, hrhr :)
[16:37] <quadrathoch2> after install there are only 3 packages that need an update (which are like 50kb each)
[16:38] <blb4393> fresh install means that I have to clean my system the whole day
[16:38] <blb4393> afterwards
[16:39] <quadrathoch2> no automation :)?
[16:40] <blb4393> yeah, I tried it with 'alexa, clean up my system' but it didn't work for some reason
[16:40] <ioria> blb4393,  a kind of solution is to remove  the  'command-not-found' package and run apt autoremove; then try again do-release-upgrade -d
[16:41] <sigNeon> anyone else experience keyboard/mouse lage on wireless ?
[16:42] <sigNeon> not sure where to track down this issue
[16:42] <blb4393> hm, how command-not-found package correlate to the network problem??
[16:42] <ioria> it's not a network problem
[16:42] <ioria> that's a python traceback
[16:43] <themusicgod1> i'm kind of curious what problem you're having blb4393 since that sounds like that helped with my problem
[16:44] <blb4393> themusicgod1: I've got this error message trying to 'do-release-upgrade -d' https://pastebin.com/KXFFraf2
[16:44] <themusicgod1> blb4393: thanks, weird
[16:45] <sigNeon> is there a wayland kubuntu iso?
[16:47] <oerheks> wayland session is installed automaticly, just choose from login
[16:47] <quadrathoch2> sigNeon, are you sure that it's not a distance thing?
[16:47] <quadrathoch2> or something like metal?
[16:47] <sigNeon> keyboard input and mouse lag
[16:47] <sigNeon> distance thing?
[16:50] <NaviTheFairy> Hey, I'm looking for a way to delay auto-login until after a network connection has been established, or at least an application (steam)
[16:52] <oerheks> interesting, why would steam be activated before login?
[16:54] <NaviTheFairy> Ethernet connections happen slower than would seem reasonable on our router
[16:54] <NaviTheFairy> So the system is fully started before the router decides to play
[16:54] <oerheks> it need credentials from your user, so i wonder how you would fix that.
[16:56] <quadrathoch2> NaviTheFairy, an easy fix would be to prepend the autostart command with something like sleep (seconds)
[16:57] <oerheks> 'autostart' happens after login
[16:57] <quadrathoch2> sigNeon, I had once issue with one of my mice where distance to the transceiver was an issue
[16:57] <NaviTheFairy> You mean Ubuntu? There an option to have a single user automatically login on startup
[16:57] <sigNeon> that's not my issue
[16:57] <quadrathoch2> oerheks, yes, and through that you just delay steam up to something like 2 mins
[16:57] <quadrathoch2> sigNeon, was just asking ;)
[16:58] <oerheks> quadrathoch2, that was not his question, he wants steam to connect before login
[16:58] <quadrathoch2> oerheks, nope oO
[16:58] <quadrathoch2> he wants that steam starts later, so that the network connection is up
[16:58] <oerheks> NaviTheFairy, yes, go into systemsettings > details > users for enable autologin
[16:59] <NaviTheFairy> If it tries to start before the network is up, it just sits there and does nothing
[17:02] <quadrathoch2> NaviTheFairy, can you look into the ~/.config/autostart folder if there is a steam file
[17:12] <LongLiveCHIEF> :wave: I aksed this in #cloud-init also, but wanted to post here just in case.  Anyone know why cloud-init user-data configs in the `/system-boot` partition would be ignored when booting on a raspberry pi?
[17:13] <takov751> Other question does anyone has experience with yubikey. We have sucessfully installed a full encrypted system now we would like to use a yubikey to unlock system at boot.
[17:13] <quadrathoch2> LongLiveCHIEF, I think #ubuntu-arm is a better choice :)
[17:14] <LongLiveCHIEF> perfect! thanks!
[17:14] <oerheks> takov751, there is an issue with their ppa, no focal yet https://launchpad.net/~yubico/+archive/ubuntu/stable
[17:14] <tomreyn> takov751: i don't think there's immediate support for yubikey in dmcrypt-LUKS, but i'm pretty sure you can find some third party integration.
[17:15] <takov751> I see thank you oerheks tomreyn
[17:17] <ThinkT510> i've managed to install 20.04 but had to use nomodeset due to graphical issues. without nomodeset the screen becomes a garbled mess and glitches so i'm forced to hard reset. my graphics are intel skylake gt2 HD520
[17:17] <texop> When i try to upgrade to version 20.04 with Software updater it doesn't work. My current Ubuntu version is 19.10. And yes, the settings is correct (Software updater). What to do?
[17:18] <quadrathoch2> texop, we need more info about what doesn't work
[17:18] <texop> Yes, of course. "Computer is updated".
[17:19] <quadrathoch2> texop, 20.04 is not officially distributed throught the updater, as there could still be bugs. So if you want to upgrade you need to upgrade with -d at the end of command
[17:20] <Assid> hi iam having a problem with a vm , https://pasteboard.co/J5tiBEi.png
[17:20] <NaviTheFairy> Okay, I pointed the auto start entry to a bash script with the sleep and original command and that's probably good enough.
[17:20] <takov751> tomreyn oerheks there is a package in universe called yubkey-luks which might be the one i am looking for
[17:20] <iconoclasthero> hi, I keep getting these weird errors from git, apt, curl, and wget (see the commonality?).
[17:20] <iconoclasthero> curl: /usr/local/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libffi.so.7: no version information available (required by /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libp11-kit.so.0)
[17:21] <iconoclasthero> /usr/lib/apt/methods/http: /usr/local/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libffi.so.7: no version information available (required by /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libp11-kit.so.0)
[17:21] <iconoclasthero> these are repeated anywhere up to a dozen times.
[17:23] <iconoclasthero> This was said on the plus one channel but I got no further information:  <Seveas> iconoclasthero: that you're messing around with LD_LIBRARY_PATH and breaking your system.
[17:24] <iconoclasthero> and while i assume i could set $ LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/whatever/it/is, seeing as how I've never heard of it before, I doubt very much I changed it to something by issuing a command.
[17:30] <ioria>  iconoclasthero,  /usr/local/lib/ location means you compiled ffi from source (or 3rd pkg source); standard location is /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/  ; probably means that the library version number is lower on the shared object
[17:31] <ThinkT510> should i try a newer mainline kernel to see if the graphics issue is fixed?
[17:32] <quadrathoch2> ThinkT510, could be a quick try :)
[17:32] <oerheks> ThinkT510, nobody can answer that, what graphics issue and on what hardware and what ubuntu version?
[17:33] <ThinkT510> oerheks: 20.04, intel skylake hd520, i can't use the system at all if i don't boot with nomodeset. it runs fine for almost a minute then the screen completely glitches and the system freezes forcing me to hard reset
[17:34] <lotuspsychje> ThinkT510: can you describe the glitches?
[17:35] <oerheks> sounds like a memory problem, dmesg would tell, or journalctrl -b -1
[17:35] <ThinkT510> lotuspsychje: difficult to discribe. the whole screen becomes a visual mess and continually flickers. the cursor cannot be moved.
[17:36] <lotuspsychje> ThinkT510: what brand of computer is that?
[17:37] <ThinkT510> lotuspsychje: unbranded, i've had no issues with it on 18.04
[17:37] <lotuspsychje> ThinkT510: wich kernel were you using on 18.04?
[17:39] <ThinkT510> lotuspsychje: the default, 4.15 i think it was
[17:39] <lotuspsychje> ThinkT510: ok tnx for the info, can you pastebin the info oerheks adviced please?
[17:39] <ThinkT510> oerheks: do you have anything specific i can look for in the dmesg output?
[17:40] <lotuspsychje> the whole dmesg plz ThinkT510
[17:41] <ThinkT510> lotuspsychje: does that only apply from first boot? i'm currently on the system now but using nomodeset. would the issue still be visible?
[17:42] <Jordan_U> ThinkT510: Can you look at your recent boots with "journalctl --list-boots", find one for which you booted without nomodeset and experienced a lockup, and pastebin the output of "journalctl --dmesg -b N" where N is the number for the boot without nomodeset?
[17:44] <Jordan_U> ThinkT510: Also, it's probably prudent to enable all sysrq functionality to allow you to hopefully reboot somewhat gracefully after a lockup.
[17:47] <Jordan_U> ThinkT510: If you're familiar with editing system configuration files, /etc/sysctl.d/10-magic-sysrq.conf is pretty self explanitory (you want '1'). If you'd like more explanation I'm happy to provide it.
[17:50] <ThinkT510> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ShwBKyMKcW/
[17:51] <oerheks>  BIOS 5.11 08/09/2016 .. worth checking for an update?
[17:52] <ThinkT510> this is a list of my boots: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5ykBK8Fd4T/
[17:53] <The_LoudSpeaker> I just installed ubuntu 20.04 on a del Inspiron gaming laptop. Installation went fine. But then I go to a blank black screen.
[17:53] <The_LoudSpeaker> Without any blinking cursor.
[17:53] <The_LoudSpeaker> Nomodest also didn't work.
[17:53] <lotuspsychje> ThinkT510: did you recently add ram to that machine?
[17:53] <The_LoudSpeaker> I can't get to a tty either. Anyone any ideas?
[17:53] <lotuspsychje> The_LoudSpeaker: nvidia graphics?
[17:54] <ThinkT510> lotuspsychje: no
[17:55] <lotuspsychje> ok
[17:55] <The_LoudSpeaker> lotuspsychje: yes
[17:56] <wingedrhino> Ahoy! Why is python-certbot-nginx missing from Focal repos?
[17:56] <lotuspsychje> The_LoudSpeaker: there are 2 known bugs for nvidia on the !20.04 releasenotes, could you check if it applys you?
[17:56] <lotuspsychje> !20.04 | The_LoudSpeaker
[17:57] <wingedrhino> Aah nevermind. Looks like I don't need that package anymore! https://certbot.eff.org/lets-encrypt/ubuntuother-nginx
[17:59] <The_LoudSpeaker> I will check the bugs. Thanks for the links lotuspsychje
[18:00] <lotuspsychje> The_LoudSpeaker: we had a few reports with nvidia, also related to auto login at boot
[18:01] <tomreyn> takov751: oh right, looks like. sorry, i wasn't aware that's in universe.
[18:03] <lotuspsychje> ThinkT510: not saying its your case, but i had a flickering bug in combo with intel/r8169 once, maybe you could try answer #28 from bug #1838644 as a test too
[18:08] <gbs-> Hi, is there any way to use systemd-resolve in ubuntu 14.04 or 16.04 ?
[18:09] <ThinkT510> lotuspsychje: thank you for the link. I may end up testing alternative kernels. if the issue isn't in a newer kernel what is the likelihood of the fix being backported to 20.04's 5.4 kernel?
[18:10] <wingedrhino> I think I'm going to encounter a lot more situations like these. python-certbot-nginx got replaced by python3-certbot-nginx. I suppose a LOT of packages have been renamed this way after the (long due) ditching of Python 2?
[18:11]  * wingedrhino is updating a bunch of server setup scripts from 18.04 to 20.04
[18:11] <lotuspsychje> ThinkT510: think we need to pin down the root of your problem first, depending whats happening we can see what needs to happen
[18:11] <tomreyn> gbs-: 16.04 uses some of systemd, it might work there. (community) support for another year (but commercial support for longer). 14.04 is beyond what we support here.
[18:11] <james_castrello> Just picked up ubuntu for a laptop I got second-hand. Ubuntu is cool, but do you have to use command line for damn-near everything?
[18:12] <lotuspsychje> james_castrello: no
[18:12] <wingedrhino> james_castrello, I think not! My mom uses Ubuntu to check her emails.
[18:13] <james_castrello> That's cool! I seem to like it as well. it's just the part when installing software NOT in the "ubuntu software" app thingy
[18:13] <irate> can you remove all data for a snap package... factory reset?
[18:13] <tomreyn> gbs-: note that early systemd had enough flaws that you might not want to use it on 16.04 beyond what's enabled by default, though, even if available.
[18:13] <wingedrhino> james_castrello, the default experience has a very pointy-clicky UI. You press the windows key and search for something and then off you go.
[18:13] <wingedrhino> james_castrello, aah yeah see that's where you need to peep in under the hood ;-)
[18:13] <iconoclasthero> ioria:  i understood the first half of that...
[18:14] <james_castrello> like i open an sh file and it just shows the file code. I have to do a sudo somethingsomething
[18:14] <iconoclasthero> what sorts of things require ffi that would have compiled them as part of the compilation process?
[18:14] <james_castrello> it's little different than windows lol
[18:14] <tomreyn> james_castrello: actually you'd just need to right-click on it, select properties and flag it executable.
[18:14] <ahmedamerican> Hello, am new to ubuntu and i would like to install `sqlmap` globally. so i can type `sqlmap` and it's will run it. so where i should clone it ? `git clone --depth 1 https://github.com/sqlmapproject/sqlmap.git sqlmap-dev`
[18:15] <iconoclasthero> ioria:  flatpak maybe?
[18:15] <wingedrhino> james_castrello, curious - what were you trying to install?
[18:15] <iconoclasthero> glib?
[18:15] <james_castrello> it was a vpn client. cyberghost
[18:16] <james_castrello> talked with their support and apparently it can only run through command. There's no UI available for it lmao
[18:16] <tomreyn> james_castrello: this said, i wouldn't recommend installing wsoftware this way, but rather use .deb's (or at least snaps) where possible.
[18:17] <wingedrhino> james_castrello, it seems you can set it up without a third party software! https://support.cyberghostvpn.com/hc/en-us/articles/360007929314-How-to-Set-Up-OpenVPN-on-Linux-Ubuntu-via-Network-Manager
[18:17] <wingedrhino> *without any
[18:17] <gbs-> so, in ubuntu14.04 and 16.04 is better to use with dnsmasq?
[18:18] <tomreyn> gbs-: i'd say so for 16.04. and again, 14.04 is not supported here. what are you trying to do, and why?
[18:18] <james_castrello> can you elaborate on what a wsoftware is and what a .deb is? It's probably a noob question but I honestly am not familiar with most of the terminology. Also @wingedrhino thanks for the article!
[18:18] <iconoclasthero> ioria, i compiled or otherwise installed (i.e., not through apt) glib 2.64.2, guake 3.7.1, iproute2 5.6.0. libhandy 0.0.11, shutter 0.94.3
[18:18] <gbs-> tomreyn i have a bunch of ubuntu servers (14.04, 16.04, 18.04 and 20.04) i'm trying to make them be equal in configuration for dns.
[18:19] <gbs-> 18.04 and 20.04 are running very good with systemd-resolve
[18:19] <gbs-> 16.04 systemd-resolve can resolve dns, but cant be used in system
[18:19] <tomreyn> james_castrello: "wsoftware" was a typo, sorry, i just meant "software". ".deb" is a debian package, ubuntu's standard software packaging mechanism. you meantioned windows, maybe you're familiar with .msi files, which are a bit like it.
[18:19] <gbs-> 14.04 i didnt know what to do.
[18:19] <wingedrhino> james_castrello, if you press the windows key and type software, you'd find a tool to add/remove software. It's fully point-and-click. The article I just googled up mentions software all of which are found in the official repositories. It's always safe to stick to using what's packaged by Ubuntu officially. These are software that come checked and vetted.
[18:20] <gbs-> we have 3 local dns (and with ipv6 this is six address) glibc only support 3 address
[18:20] <tomreyn> gbs-: just plan your migration off EOL releases, then this will be no concern anymore.
[18:21] <tomreyn> gbs-: 3 local dns? why?
[18:21] <grawity> gbs-: is that for redundancy? 3 servers, I mean
[18:21] <james_castrello> wingedrhino tomreyn thanks guys!
[18:21] <wingedrhino> wingedrhino, some software that isn't in the official repos that you might need for work (for me that's Zoom, Slack, and Telegram) you can find in the Snap Store. There is a GUI for this too.
[18:22] <wingedrhino> james_castrello, ^^ oops I just quoted myself
[18:22] <james_castrello> haha
[18:22] <tomreyn> !synaptic | james_castrello
[18:22] <lotuspsychje> wingedrhino: telegram-desktop is also on apt repos
[18:23] <james_castrello> wingedrhino Snap is just a term for something similar to an "app store" right?
[18:23] <james_castrello> ubottu Thanks I'll check it out
[18:24] <tomreyn> !snap | james_castrello
[18:24] <tomreyn> so roughly spoken, yes
[18:24] <pihhan> good evening. Are problems with LTS installation on btrfs known?
[18:25] <lotuspsychje> !btrfs | pihhan
[18:25] <pihhan> lotuspsychje: thanks
[18:26] <james_castrello> tomreyn is that what is currently came with ubuntu? I have 18.04.04 LTS
[18:26] <wingedrhino> james_castrello, to answer your question, yes. Ubuntu in a way ships with 2 "app stores". The official repositories, and the Snap Store. The difference between them is that software in the official repositores are checked and vetted by Ubuntu. But having said that, you should be fine with installing most popular communication apps via the Snap Store. I use almost all of them. Wire, Signal, Telegram, Slack, Zoom, Discord....
[18:27] <james_castrello> wingedrhino I search snap on the machine but nothing comes up.. perhaps i need to install it
[18:27] <tomreyn> james_castrello: i wouldn't be so happy to trust the snap store as wingedrhino is, but other than that i second this description
[18:27] <GuiToris> hello, is there a description how you can upgrade from 18.04 to 20.04 from the command line?
[18:28] <tomreyn> james_castrello: that's the same for 18.04 vs 20.04
[18:28] <tomreyn> GuiToris: here's one: you wait, until it's supported. and then you get prompts about it.
[18:28] <pihhan> I failed today several attempts to install 20.04. I think btrfs choose for root fs was responsible
[18:29] <GuiToris> tomreyn, how will I get a prompt?
[18:30] <GuiToris> I don't use DE
[18:30] <tomreyn> GuiToris: the graphical software updater which usually reports "your system is up to date" when it is finished updating, will additionally point out that you can upgrade to 20.04 LTS.
[18:30] <wingedrhino> woops! bad wifi
[18:30] <tomreyn> oh, no desktop, then you'll see it upon logging in.
[18:31] <tomreyn> the MOTD will tell
[18:31] <GuiToris> thanks
[18:31] <gbs-> grawity, tomreyn yes, redundancy. cant migrate all servers, legacy systems.
[18:31] <joker5bb> has anyone built kernel 5.7-rc2+
[18:32] <james_castrello> suggestions for a project management software?
[18:32] <gbs-> i was adding ipv6 address, i think that i will not do this in old systems
[18:32] <lotuspsychje> joker5bb: we dont support own kernel building here
[18:32] <grawity> gbs-: hmm I'd actually consider using anycast for redundancy
[18:32] <lotuspsychje> joker5bb: when testing other kernels we advice !mainline
[18:32] <grawity> gbs-: but aside from that, either dnsmasq or Unbound... kinda prefer Unbound myself but I guess either is fine
[18:32] <gbs-> any links for it?
[18:33] <gbs-> anycast
[18:33] <joker5bb> whats the channel to discuss kernel building?
[18:33] <grawity> by anycast I mean having a single IP address for multiple servers
[18:33] <tomreyn> gbs: i'd very much prefer multicast and a high availability setup for dns rather than having clients fails on two dns servers before they start querying the third.
[18:33] <wingedrhino> james_castrello, I think that might be a subject for #ubuntu-offtopic!
[18:33] <lotuspsychje> joker5bb: ##kernel
[18:33] <gbs-> i dont know how to do this
[18:34] <gbs-> seems very nice btw
[18:34] <tomreyn> gbs-: actually anycast is what i meant, too, whoops.
[18:34] <gbs-> ok, thanks for this advise
[18:35] <pihhan> ah. finally my installation with ext4 finished successfully
[18:35] <GuiToris> tomreyn, I've just checked it, I was wrong, it's 16.04. Will I be able to upgrade it to 20.04?
[18:36] <james_castrello> ah, my bad. thanks wingedrhino
[18:36] <tomreyn> GuiToris: upgrades from 16.04 LTS to 18.04 LTS are supported for a while now. upgrades from 18.04 LTS to 20.04 LTS will be supported in the future, probably sometime around august.
[18:37] <GuiToris> so I can't skip an LTS release
[18:37] <GuiToris> can you direct me how I can upgrade it to 18.04 from the command line?
[18:38] <GuiToris> I description would be great
[18:38] <tomreyn> the ubuntu server guide should tell
[18:39] <GuiToris> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/
[18:39] <GuiToris> this one?
[18:39] <tomreyn> yes https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/upgrade-introduction
[18:39] <GuiToris> thanks a lot
[18:40] <tomreyn> GuiToris: unfortunately this documentation lacks a warning to purge 3rd party software before you do.
[18:40] <GuiToris> oh, do I have to remove all ppas?
[18:42] <tomreyn> do-release-upgrade will disable PPAs and other third party apt repositories. it will, however, not remove and downgrade software you installed from those. and that's a very common cause of upgrade failures.
[18:42] <lotuspsychje> GuiToris: its also advisable to read the 18.04 releasenotes (if you have not already)
[18:43] <GuiToris> good to know, I wouldn't remove them!
[18:57] <Iarla> Is it possible to format a partition as ZFS? It's just for storing media files and doesn't need encryption or anything fancy.
[19:01] <Iarla> From a GUI tool like GParted or Disks.
[19:04] <wesada> Hi all.  I am having an issue with 18.04.3.  After rebooting the system from the Gnome terminal the computer keeps rebooting into emergency mode.
[19:05] <lotuspsychje> !uptodate | wesada update system first please
[19:05] <EriC^^> wesada: what do you mean by emergency mode?
[19:05] <wesada> I can't do that.
[19:06] <wesada> I mean the system says you're in Emergency mode.
[19:06] <EriC^^> do you get a gui?
[19:06] <wesada> Nope.
[19:06] <EriC^^> is it an initrd shell?
[19:07] <wesada> When I tried to boot to Recovery Mode I got Recovery Mode menu but the keyboard wouldn't work.
[19:07] <EriC^^> does it mention anything before emergency mode?
[19:10] <wesada> Welcome to emergency mode!  After logging in, type "journalctl -xb" to view system logs, "systemctl reboot" to reboot "systemctl default" or ^D to try again to boot into default mode.
[19:12] <wesada> The system in question is located 4000km from me.
[19:12] <ioria> wesada, what you mean with  :  'rebooting the system from the Gnome terminal'  ?
[19:12] <wesada> sudo reboot
[19:12] <wesada> To reboot the system.
[19:12] <ioria> ssh ?
[19:13] <wesada> I don't have SSH at the moment, because I don't have a network connection. Because the system will not boot.
[19:14] <wesada> Normally, I have both SSH and VNC to the X desktop.
[19:15] <tomreyn> Iarla: i wouldn't expec tthis to work just, yet, but i can be wrong. why not just give it a try?
[19:15] <adsr> Hello, I'm running 18.04 with 5.3.0-46-generic and I notice `man 2 syscalls` seems to be for 4.x. Is there a way to upgrade manpages to match kernel version?
[19:17] <ioria> wesada, it's the local or the remote system the problem ?
[19:17] <Iarla> tomreyn: I'm expecting the ZFS option won't be available on GParted / Disks by default. On my 16.04 system anyway, so just curious what's involved. I could possibly upgrade to 20.04 though, if that changes anything.
[19:18] <wesada> The remote system.
[19:18] <tomreyn> adsr: user space would still remain the same. you can access newer man pages online at http://manpages.ubuntu.com
[19:18] <wesada> ioria, I have someone at the remote end, but they are not versed in the commandline.
[19:19] <james_castrello> hey all really quick what is the off-topic channel named again?
[19:19] <ioria> wesada, you' re remote helping a friend ?
[19:19] <wesada> ioria, the bigger problem however is that the keyboard is giving problems.  The system is a Gigabyte Brix Skylake that doesn't have Legacy USB support.
[19:19] <adsr> Thanks tomreyn
[19:20] <wesada> ioria, yes, I am trying to help them.
[19:21] <wesada> We're unable to select Enable networking from the recovery menu so I can SSH into the system.
[19:21] <wesada> We're unable to select any options from the Recovery menu.
[19:21] <ioria> wesada, that message usually comes from a file system corruption (fsck); a wrong /etc/fstab entry; or a full disk  run out of space or a borked kernel
[19:21] <wesada> Because the keyboard doesn't work once at the recovery menu.
[19:22] <tomreyn> Iarla: my understanding is that zfs support remains an experimental feature in 20.04 LTS, so probably not.
[19:22] <ioria> wesada, what kind of keyboard ?
[19:23] <wesada> It's just a standard off the shelf $15 USB keyboard.
[19:23] <tomreyn> Iarla: if you'd like to do it in a temrinal, here's how: https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/setup-zfs-storage-pool
[19:23] <wesada> ioria, they do not have another.
[19:23] <Iarla> tomreyn: thanks very much. I'm a little concerned about formatting the wrong partition from the terminal :) But, with a bit of patience I can figure it out. Thank you.
[19:23] <ioria> wesada, so it should work; try to edit the kernel parameters , removing quiet splash with single
[19:25] <wesada> ioria, is it possible to start sshd from single-user mode?
[19:25] <ioria> wesada, single is root; nope, if you don't enable it
[19:26] <tomreyn> Iarla: this may help identifying the right location:    ls -l /dev/disk/by-id/ata-*; sudo sudo fdisk -l
[19:27] <tomreyn> Iarla: as always with such operations, make sure you have current, complete, known-to-be-restorable backups
[19:28] <Iarla> tomreyn: thank you, I will.
[19:32] <Iarla> tomreyn: are features like pools mandatory? I just want ZFS for the filesystem compatibility between macOS & Ubuntu. Not interested in striping or mirroring.
[19:33] <Iarla> In other words, I just want to format one partition to ZFS.
[19:35] <seere> Iarla: AFAIK ZFS isn't supported on MacOS?
[19:35] <tomreyn> Iarla: i think a zpool is a mandatory foundation to create volumes on top. but then i'm not too much into zfs,yet
[19:36] <seere> Iarla: at least not out of the box.
[19:36] <quadrathoch2> Iarla, you should be able to create a zpool with 1 disk in it
[19:37] <Iarla> seere: OpenZFS provides 3rd party support
[19:37] <Iarla> tomreyn: thanks, fair enough.
[19:38] <Iarla> quadrathoch2: thanks, I'll give it a try. I'll start with a blank disk to be safe - just realised I have one spare.
[19:38] <quadrathoch2> Iarla, you could also try it out in a vm, when you wouldn't want to touch any actual hardware
[19:40] <Iarla> quadrathoch2: even better, good idea. I'm getting rusty, a few years ago I would have thought of that :) thanks.
[19:40] <quadrathoch2> Iarla, no problem :) that's why the community is here :)
[19:46] <Iarla> quadrathoch2: :D
[20:20] <kenperkins> i can't seem to delete a static ip via nmcli
[20:21] <kenperkins> `nmcli con mod eth0 -ipv4.addresses "10.10.11.5"` succeeds (retval 0) but when i reload the interface it's still there
[20:23] <kenperkins> what am I doing wrong?
[20:30] <snipas> hello
[20:31] <snipas> can someone explain me how to install packet tracer on ubuntu 20.04
[20:31] <snipas> im new to linux and studying networking
[20:32] <tomreyn> is this a software that's available from ubuntu software repositories?
[20:32] <tomreyn> i.e. have you checked this, yet?
[20:32] <kk4ewt> snipas;  like tracert
[20:32] <oerheks> it is not in our repos, cisco packet tracer, tons of guides https://linuxhint.com/install_packet_tracer_ubuntu_1804/
[20:33] <snipas> ok, sorry for asking that in here, i don't really know how this works
[20:34] <fluxwave> 20.04 just came out, there might not be a build for it yet. There's pages online saying it works on 19 and 18 though
[20:34] <kenperkins> if someone replied i missed it
[20:34] <snipas> ah ok, thanks @fluxwave
[20:34] <tomreyn> snipas: no worries, keep asking when you searched the web and could not find something
[20:35] <tomreyn> (or are unsure about the quality of what you found)
[20:35] <padoom> I am using ubuntu 20.04 with three monitors configured. One is 4K so I use fractional scaling for that one. My problem is even after I saved the display configuration in the display gui, everything resets when I logout or reboot
[20:35] <snipas> i already did that and found nothing to this ubuntu version and tried installing it but i always get dependencies errors.
[20:35] <padoom> 4K is back to its non-scaled resolution and the monitor layout gets shuffled back
[20:35] <fluxwave> Actually, I stand corrected, seems like someone did get it to work, although you need to do a workaround to fix the at-qt-spi error: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1228265/how-can-i-download-packet-tracer-on-ubuntu-20-04-lts-without-dependency-qt-at-sp/1228275
[20:36] <snipas> when i get them , then i get more dependencies and so on
[20:36] <snipas> i would like to know how to get that right the best way
[20:37] <snipas> i will try that
[20:37] <snipas> thank oyu
[20:37] <snipas> you*
[20:38] <tomreyn> kenperkins: maybe ipv4.method is not set to manual so the ip address is getting assigned by dhcp?
[20:38] <oerheks> 7.3 is from 2015 ..
[20:38] <oerheks> so, good luck with that
[20:38] <kenperkins> tomreyn: I've tried method manual, before I reload, I've tried deleting the gateway, I can't get rid of it :(
[20:39] <tomreyn> kenperkins: hmm, i'd cross check with another nmcli frontend, i guess
[20:39] <tomreyn> nm-tui, nm-applet, nm-connection-editor
[20:41] <kenperkins> i don't fucking understand
[20:41] <kenperkins> https://gist.github.com/kenperkins/bdc2fdffc3790a426f3aee1b6fde7458
[20:42] <jeremy31> !language kenperkins
[20:43] <tomreyn> !language > kenperkins
[20:43] <kenperkins> apologies
[20:45] <tomreyn> i don't know that reloading connection profiles from disk will apply changes to currently active interfaces
[20:45] <oerheks> you mod eth0 ... that is old
[20:45] <oerheks> you want enp0s31f6
[20:45] <kenperkins> eth0 is just the name of it
[20:46] <kenperkins> I named it that versus `Wired Connection 1` or whatever the default name is
[20:48] <oerheks> interesting ..
[20:54] <sanyiamacs> sup guise
[20:55] <sanyiamacs> so i've updated to 20.04, however when selecting the dark theme, nothing happens, it stays light
[20:55] <sanyiamacs> anyone else encountered this issue?
[20:56] <tomreyn> what you may have done is an *unsupported* up*grade* to 20.04, or a fresh installation.
[20:57] <tomreyn> if you did the former, chances are it's not working because of 'unsupported'
[20:57] <tomreyn> you could try with a new user acocunt, see whether it works there.
[20:58] <sanyiamacs> k, lemme check
[20:58] <sanyiamacs> btw it's the former ye
[21:01] <sanyiamacs> doesn't work for a new user either
[21:17] <ahmedamerican> what am missing here ? `sudo chmod -x /etc/update-motd.d/* !(90-updates-available)` as i want to leave only the updated motd
[21:22] <jaydemir> running 20.04. "Ubuntu Software" app store seems really minimal, doesn't let me browse the whole library, only shows like 14 applications up front. I can search many more but can't browse categories or anything. Is this intentional?
[21:23] <Jordan_U> ahmedamerican: You have two globs there, '*' which matches all files, and !(90-updates-available) which matches all files except update-available. So all but 90- is listed twice.
[21:24] <Jordan_U> ahmedamerican: The above is only true if your current directory is /etc/update-motd.d/ . If not, then things are more dangerous and you've actually just removed the execute bit from all files in your current directory (except maybe one named 90-updates-available).
[21:25] <Jordan_U> ahmedamerican: You should be very careful when using globs. It's often good practice to run "echo * !(90-updates-available)" to test what the glob(s) will evaluate to, or even "echo udo chmod -x /etc/update-motd.d/* !(90-updates-available)" to see the whole command that would be executed.
[21:26] <jaydemir> ok I just installed gnome-software which apparently is the same store as "Ubuntu Software" but far more detailed
[21:27] <ahmedamerican> Jordan_U thank you.
[21:27] <Jordan_U> ahmedamerican: You're welcome.
[21:28] <cgi> my first crash happened on 20.04lts - tracer..something
[21:28] <cgi> where can i see a list of crash reports on my machine?
[21:30] <oerheks> ls -l /var/crash/
[21:31] <ahmedamerican> Jordan_U i did as you mentioned above, but i got the following. https://imgur.com/IcaLCbU .
[21:32] <Jordan_U> ahmedamerican: The !(foo) feature is a feature of extended globs only. You need to "shopt -s extglob" before. Otherwise it's treated like ! is outside of globs, as command substitution.
[21:33] <Jordan_U> ahmedamerican: Also, text pastebins like https://pastebin.ubuntu.com are preffered for text only output.
[21:40] <tripelbb> I have a read only usb stick. How can I reformat it? 10.04
[21:41] <tomreyn> !10.04
[21:41] <tripelbb> 18.04
[21:41] <tripelbb> I have a read only usb stick. How can I reformat it? 18.04
[21:41] <jeremy31> tripelbb: read only might mean it is no longer any good
[21:41] <tomreyn> is the whole device read-only or just a file system?
[21:41] <tripelbb> tomreyn, thanks for the correction
[21:42] <quadrathoch26> tripelbb, try to use gnome-disk or gparted :)
[21:42] <tripelbb> I think the whole device.
[21:42] <oerheks> unmount it, and format it in disks?
[21:43] <tripelbb> This has been exhausting. Last night my computer could not SEE anything in a usb port. This morning it could. Go figure.
[21:43] <tripelbb> oerheks I have tried formatting it and .. I will get you the exact words. I dried in gparted too.
[21:43] <tripelbb> It seems I have a number of similar drives.
[21:44] <quadrathoch26> oh so it seems it's the disk :/
[21:44] <oerheks> your fsck attempts yesterday did not work.. so, faulty hardware or you are doing something wrong.
[21:44] <tripelbb> I did it in terminal withsudo mkfs.vfat /dev/sdb1
[21:44] <klu3> is there a way to de-package AppImage?  so i can look at the code
[21:45] <tripelbb> lets go for I am doing something wrong. Haw about a repeat. what was the fsck command again?
[21:46] <tomreyn> i'd start with     sudo hdparm -r /dev/disk/by-id/...
[21:47] <oerheks> klu3, maybe the team in #AppImage can help you with that?
[21:47] <oerheks> here on #freenode
[21:47] <tripelbb> ok what I used before (was supposed to be --  dosfsck /dev/sdb1
[21:48] <tripelbb> next I will follow tomreyn suggestion
[21:49] <tripelbb> NP radio kxlu latin music
[21:50] <tripelbb> oops wrong room
[21:52] <klu3> oerheks: yeah i went there and some guy answered by saying you can de-package it but only binary code will come out not the actual source code or the program, does that mean AppImages are unsafe and can hide malicious code?? whoa...
[21:53] <tomreyn> just like debian packages then, or snaps, or any compiled code.
[21:54] <klu3> tomreyn: so there's no way to "convert" these to the actual code?
[21:55] <tomreyn> source code? probably not.
[21:55] <brightspark> klu3: In general, from a compiled program, it is not possible to reconstruct the original source; someone has to give it to you separately.
[21:55] <oerheks> with appimage/snaps/flatpak; trust the owner
[21:56] <oerheks> and investigate why it gives a closed source blob
[21:56] <oerheks> or search for open source solutions
[21:57] <tripelbb> tomreyn, you said:  sudo hdparm -r /dev/disk/sdb1    ---man page says  -r     Get/set  read-only flag for the device.  When set, Linux disalows write operations on the device.  -- SO is THIS what I want to do? (just checking)
[21:57] <oerheks> there are hex editors, to search the code, or ide that can decompile
[21:57] <klu3> thanks
[21:59] <tomreyn> tripelbb: -r (to hdparm) checks and reports whether the read-only flag is set. often this is set by flash media when it breaks. so unless (or some software you ran) set it, it's a good indicator that you need to replace the media.
[21:59] <tripelbb> tomreyn, you said:  sudo hdparm -r /dev/disk/sdb1    ---man page says  -r     Get/set  read-only flag for the device.  When set, Linux disalows write operations on the device.  -- SO is THIS what I want to do? (just checking) oerheks
[22:01] <tripelbb> well I know it is set. I want to unset it. The disk was prolly taken out while a write was going on. The install liveusb hangs and says it cant do anything. I left a disc in OVERNIGHT. .. before I removed it. I dont know what to do.
[22:01] <tripelbb> tomreyn, ^^^
[22:02] <oerheks> so .. likely it is dead.
[22:03] <tomreyn> tripelbb: what kind of media is it?
[22:03] <tripelbb> so once set it must stay on?
[22:03] <tripelbb> it is a PNY 8G flash drive
[22:03] <tomreyn> -r0 would remove it, but it'd be reset upon the next write if broken
[22:04] <tomreyn> well, flash drives die all the time, just replace it
[22:04] <oerheks> unmount it, and format it in disks, should work. if not, then your usb is damaged beyond repair.
[22:05] <tripelbb> can I do this: boot a liveusb  then use the 20.04 iso on the hard drive to write another usb as a live usb?
[22:05] <tripelbb> I fear my 18,04 is somehow broken
[22:06] <tripelbb> can I remove and reinstall the startup disk maker?
[22:06] <tripelbb> oh so many dependencies nevermind
[22:06] <quadrathoch2> you could tripelbb
[22:07] <tripelbb> ok thanks for the help. I reset. Now will format. and check for broken areas. I can learn how to do this myself. Thanks cirizens.
[22:08] <tripelbb> quadrathoch2, what is your idea
[22:08] <quadrathoch2> about?
[22:08] <tripelbb> oh you said I could... got cha. I will. I am getting better at reading terminal output. frustration makes more able.
[22:09] <quadrathoch2> about booting into a liveusb etc :)
[22:09] <tripelbb> tomreyn, thanks for the -r0 which was not on the man page
[22:09] <quadrathoch2> it's doable, but not as straight forward
[22:09] <tripelbb> quadrathoch2, took me a min.
[22:09] <tomreyn> hdparm -help
[22:10] <tripelbb> ah. thanks citizen tomreyn
[22:10] <tomreyn> oops actually it's not there either
[22:13] <tripelbb> 's ok. I have enough for now. (I wanted to back up all and just redo the whole computer ... I put all my data files in one dir was under 30G. (How did I get so much?) but lastnight when none of the usb ports were seeing any flash drives I was afraid that it might mess up my backup pocket drives. Worry before failure is a good thing.
[22:13] <tripelbb> tomreyn,
[22:19] <tripelbb> tomreyn, is this correct and if so what does the -F do (not on man page for mkfs)  mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/sdb1
[22:19] <tripelbb> using terminal to do this is new.
[22:20] <tomreyn> !man | tripelbb
[22:22] <KeithWeisshar> why is the Ubuntu Live USB graphics a mess on RTX 2060?
[22:23] <KeithWeisshar> When I boot from the Live USB the screen is messed up on RTX 2060 GPU
[22:24] <tomreyn> because of the problematic driver situation for the graphics cards by this company
[22:24] <tripelbb> tomreyn gparted still sees it as read only. I am going to log all my drives using the lovely  sudo hdparm -r /dev/disk/sdb1    I have spent days on this. all my usb drives have been logged twice. ... one more time. -- the Read only drive will be promoted to Halloween ornaments. lol
[22:24] <KeithWeisshar> I have an Nvidia
[22:24] <KeithWeisshar> RTX 2060 graphics card
[22:25] <KeithWeisshar> How can I boot into proper screen resolution so I can install it
[22:25] <KeithWeisshar> I can't see any menus, it's all corrupted
[22:25] <brightspark> So the Bash command prompt is a long string stored as $PS1. Bash itself is able to compute its printed length if the \[ escapes are used correctly.  How can I find out what this length is in a script?
[22:25] <KeithWeisshar> I can't see anything further than the grub menu
[22:26] <tomreyn> tripelbb: sdb1 is the first partition on the sdb media. use -r against the media, not against partitions
[22:26] <KeithWeisshar> do you have a boot parameter to work around for the issue on rtx 2060
[22:26] <KeithWeisshar> i use uefi
[22:28] <tomreyn> brightspark: this sounds like a #bash question (a separate channel you can join)
[22:28] <tripelbb> sudo hdparm -r /dev/disk/sdb1     /dev/sdb1: No such file or directory   what? nothing works...
[22:28] <tripelbb> sudo hdparm -r /dev/disk/sdb1     /dev/sdb1: No such file or directory   what? nothing works...
[22:28] <brightspark> tomreyn: thanks
[22:28] <tripelbb> good goddess"
[22:30] <KeithWeisshar> what driver does the live usb come with
[22:30] <tomreyn> tripelbb: /dev/disk/sdb1 looks syntactically wrong
[22:31] <oerheks> sdb ..
[22:32] <tomreyn> tripelbb: the reason i had pointed you to paths starting with /dev/disk/by-id/ earlier was to give you an easier time figuring out the right device (if you type "ls /dev/disk/by-id/" you'll see the disks by names)
[22:32] <Deano59> hi, sorry if this has been asked before! I have ubuntu on my main desktop... can I back it up with software from the net and restore on a different system? will it work?
[22:32] <tripelbb> new area of concern: I had ubuntu mate and thought I was adding another de ie elementary but.... elementary took over. Can I make it go away and have mate. (The caja file browser now has a wierd double window around it and sometimes wont resize. I put lightdm in and have no other DE choices now.
[22:33] <Deano59> I enabled "all drivers" when installing from expert mode from the mini.iso....
[22:37] <perplex> I had dual boot with Ubuntu 18.04 and Win10, when installing Ubuntu 20.04 it asked me to keep 18.04 or install over it, so I chose to install over it. Turns out it overwrote the EFI partition and didn't detect that I had Win10 as well. Any way to get Win10 back? Tried to add a grub custom item with ntldr, but that doesn't work due to efi and 64-bit, it's 32-bit only.
[22:37] <tomreyn> Deano59: you could create an image of what you have and write that to a different computer which is the same (or compatible) hardware architecture and uses the same boot mechanism (manual changes may be needed if those are uefi booting). a more common approach would be to just do a fresh install on the target system, install the same software you used to have (this can be automated) and copy over your configurations and data.
[22:38] <johnjay> ok this is really frustrating. how do i disable the hard drives from appearing in the favorites bar
[22:38] <KeithWeisshar> what's wrong with the default usb boot on rtx 2060
[22:38] <johnjay> i've already tried sudo gsettings set org.gnome.shell.extensions.dash-to-dock show-mounts false
[22:38] <KeithWeisshar> the screen is messed after the grub menu
[22:38] <tomreyn> !releasenotes | KeithWeisshar
[22:38] <johnjay> it's not working after log out or reboot
[22:38] <Deano59> thanks tomreyn, just copy /home and configs?
[22:39] <tomreyn> Deano59: what i wrote :)
[22:39] <KeithWeisshar> the release note doesn't have 20.04 lts
[22:39] <Deano59> tomreyn, thanks! I'll see if I can copy it over.
[22:40] <tomreyn> KeithWeisshar: it does, it just hasn't been moved to the current section, yet
[22:40] <ahmedamerican> am going to clone repository, and i would like to know what's the safety place to put it inside? so i can execute it from any location
[22:43] <KeithWeisshar> do i need to use safe graphic mode when using live session on rtx 2060?
[22:45] <johnjay> not sure what I did but it finally went away
[22:46] <johnjay> i guess gsettings set org.gnome.shell... works differently if you run it as sudo
[22:46] <dougl> when I googled after several days I got EOF... trying to formulate question for google that will mount my samba shares hosted on linux computer after wifi connection.
[22:47] <dougl> currently fstab entry does not work cuz wifi not connected yet
[22:48] <dougl> when fstab 'works'
[22:48] <Jordan_U> dougl: One option is to set a network-manager trigger that simply runs "mount /foo/" whenever that network connection becomes active.
[22:49] <dougl> Jordan_U, that sounds ok... what should I google for?
[22:49] <Jordan_U> dougl: network-manager trigger
[22:50] <dougl> thank you
[22:50] <KeithWeisshar> I booted Ubuntu Live session in safe graphics mode.  I'm getting error found in 1 file when it runs a disc check from the USB
[22:51] <KeithWeisshar> The USB was written in raw mode from iso
[22:51] <KeithWeisshar> why am i getting media error in one file when running disc check during live usb session?
[22:52] <Jordan_U> KeithWeisshar: Is that file the squashfs?
[22:52] <KeithWeisshar> it doesn't show the name of the error
[22:52] <KeithWeisshar> i'm using uefi
[22:52] <KeithWeisshar> the disc check routine doesn't show the name of the file with that error
[22:53] <KeithWeisshar> is the disc check made for optical media?
[22:54] <KeithWeisshar> does the squashfs get written during live session
[22:54] <tomreyn> dougl: use the "_netdev" (without quotation marks) mount option in the specific devices' fstab line. the mount(8) !man page documents this in the "FILESYSTEM-INDEPENDENT MOUNT OPTIONS" section
[22:54] <KeithWeisshar> does ubuntu write to the usb flash drive during live session?
[22:55] <Jordan_U> KeithWeisshar: Mount the USB, then in a terminal "cd /media/youruser/whatever/" (the mountpoint for the partition on the USB drive), then run "md5sum --check md5sum.txt". That will check all the files and tell you which is bad.
[22:55] <KeithWeisshar> is the media checker designed for read only media such as dvd
[22:55] <Jordan_U> KeithWeisshar: I asked about the squashfs file because it's by far the largest one. If you have a failing USB drive or a bad download, it's most likely to show up there statistically just because it's big.
[22:56] <Jordan_U> KeithWeisshar: The checker doesn't care what the media is.
[22:57] <Jordan_U> KeithWeisshar: Unless you've setup a persisitent USB drive, Ubuntu doesn't write to the USB drive. Even if you have, writes are done to another partition with the originals kept intact. I believe that that the media checker checks the files before changes are combined (via aufs), but I'm not certain of that.
[22:57] <dougl> Jordan_U, seem a bit excessive ... scripting ? for something that worked in 19.10 ?
[22:58] <Jordan_U> dougl: How did you configure it in 19.10?
[22:58] <dougl> just worked
[22:58] <KeithWeisshar> i did a raw write from iso to usb
[22:58] <Jordan_U> dougl: With the same fstab entry and nothing else?
[22:58] <dougl> yes
[22:59] <Jordan_U> dougl: Please pastebin yout /etc/fstab .
[22:59] <Jordan_U> KeithWeisshar: Then you don't have a persisitent setup.
[23:00] <Jordan_U> KeithWeisshar: Do you understand my instructions for checking the files?
[23:02] <KeithWeisshar> why did my windows clock get set wrong after booting from live usb
[23:02] <KeithWeisshar> it got set 4 hours later
[23:05] <semitones> i'd like to know too about the clocks
[23:06] <dougl> Jordan_U, https://pastebin.com/yYXphxU2
[23:06] <semitones> I have dual boot and the windows clock always gets messed up after rebooting from ubuntu
[23:06] <Jordan_U> semitones: It's because Windows by default sets the hardware clock based on local time, *NIX (including Ubuntu and MacOS) sets the hardware clock based on UTC, then calculates offsets from that to tell you the time.
[23:08] <Jordan_U> semitones: You can either configure Windows to set the RTC to UTC, or configure Ubuntu to set the RTC to local time. timedatectl gives a warning about problems you might have it you do the latter, but I don't know what problems setting the RTC to UTC in Windows might cause you there.
[23:08] <semitones> Jordan_U, in both cases, is something writing a value to some memory place on the motherboard?
[23:08] <dougl> yes windows
[23:09] <shibboleth> i'd recommend configuring windows to use utc rtc
[23:09] <semitones> Jordan_U, thanks for that explanation, it's been a random question I had for a while
[23:09] <shibboleth> less headaches, you don't have to worry about dst etc
[23:09] <Jordan_U> semitones: I'm not sure I'd call setting the RTC "writing a valude to some memory place", but both OS's are using network time servers to constantly set the RTC to avoid drift / errors.
[23:10] <jimmy_birer> hello
[23:11] <jimmy_birer> hello
[23:11] <jimmy_birer> hello
[23:11] <semitones> Jordan_U, I just remember that there is sometimes a coin battery on the mobo, and if you remove it the computer forgets what time it is? or stops updating the time? I can't remember which. I thought the coin was supporting some RAM
[23:11] <jimmy_birer> NIGGERS NIGGERS NIGGERSIGGERS NIGGERS NIGGERS
[23:20] <tripelbb> Blessings, I have an FF20 live one. Now to install in a partition.
[23:35] <quadrathoch2> semitones, that battery is for storing the BIOS/EFI config and that the pc without electricity doesn't forgt what time it is
[23:47] <tomreyn> semitones: i'd do the regedit thing on windows if i was in your situation https://www.howtogeek.com/323390/how-to-fix-windows-and-linux-showing-different-times-when-dual-booting/
[23:48] <tomreyn> see also https://superuser.com/questions/975717/does-windows-10-support-utc-as-bios-time