[00:10] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I am satrting to question if plugins with a jack version should even show up in the menu. There are a lot of them... so many that most people will take one loo and not bother.
[00:10] <OvenWerks> *one look
[00:12] <OvenWerks> It is almost worth it's own menu, sub menus and  sub sub menus
[00:14] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: If you install the version of -menu from the Backports PPA, it has the jack versions of lsp-plugins in a submenu of the Effects submenu.
[00:14] <OvenWerks> I am not even sure providing lv2, vst, jack client and ALSA application make sense.
[00:14] <OvenWerks> cool, I will do that
[00:15] <Eickmeyer> In other words: I did a thing this morning.
[00:16] <Eickmeyer> Regarding DjZU's issue, I think it was a one-off.
[00:17] <OvenWerks> Anything that has an OSS variant should have the OSS variant .desktop file with NoDisplay=true
[00:18] <OvenWerks> we should not support OSS
[00:18] <Eickmeyer> Agreed. OSS needs to die in a fire.
[00:19] <OvenWerks> OSS is the thing for free BSD
[00:19] <OvenWerks> it is more "unix-y"
[00:19] <Eickmeyer> Well, they can have fun with it. As for me an my house, we shall have ALSA.
[00:20] <OvenWerks> it is not real time friendly
[00:21] <OvenWerks> totally file handle based... blockable
[00:21] <Eickmeyer> Right.
[00:22] <OvenWerks> however, I think the switch to plasma should get done first when GG opens up in a few weeks
[00:22] <OvenWerks> I have set mine up to look pretty much like what we have now.
[00:23] <OvenWerks> deskbar at the top, etc.
[00:25] <OvenWerks> the plasma default for menu is close to whisker but I switched to the win95 style menu whic for me is the most productive. (me being strange)
[00:25] <OvenWerks> in the past we have set the title bar colour of the focused window to Studio blue
[00:25] <Eickmeyer> Groovy Gorilla.
[00:26] <OvenWerks> GG
[00:26] <Eickmeyer> !20.10
[00:26] <Eickmeyer> I don't know if I'm going to go as far as customizing color schemes.
[00:27] <OvenWerks> so long as it contrasts... while I have a CDE look alike, I am not suggesting we do that
[00:28] <OvenWerks> breeze works quite well with gnomed titlebars for now (untill they change to make it look "new"
[00:30] <Eickmeyer> I think I'm going to keep Materia (I've already packaged the KDE version), but I'll change the inactive titlebar to a "light" color as the default. Basically, I'll make a new color scheme. Would that be a fair compromise?
[00:30] <OvenWerks> I'll know when I see it :)
[00:31] <OvenWerks> merely changing the text colour does not seem to be enough. a good Title bar BG difference helps a lot
[00:32] <OvenWerks> some of us are over 45...
[00:32]  * OvenWerks will be 60 this year
[00:33] <OvenWerks> but the rality for me is, if I don't like it I will change it :)
[00:34] <OvenWerks> so do what the artistic people like.... I'll try to be quiet and not throw too much popcorn
[00:35] <Eickmeyer> Hehe
[00:35] <Eickmeyer> In all fairness, I just turned 40.
[00:36] <OvenWerks> 4 more years to go...
[00:36] <eylul[m]> is suddenly actually feeling young in this conversation
[00:36] <Eickmeyer> Heh
[00:36] <OvenWerks> eylul[m]: you are probably about my daughter in law's age
[00:36] <Eickmeyer> Then there's tsimonq2 who is young enough to be my son. But not as young as my actual son. Just 10 years difference though.
[00:37] <eylul[m]> :))
[00:37] <eylul[m]> I would say that 10 years of age in that context is still quite a bit :))
[00:38] <Eickmeyer> That's true.
[00:38] <OvenWerks> my son is a Dr. chemmist his wife is an engineer... they met at university
[00:39] <eylul[m]> :))
[01:21] <StevenJayCohen> Both my kids are at university, they are 21. He's studying CS and she's studying documentary film
[06:15] <OvenWerks> just listening to https://soundcloud.com/davephillips69/the-spring-of-23
[06:15] <OvenWerks> made on Ardour
[06:16] <OvenWerks> Ardour 2 actually
[06:28] <StevenJayCohen> Oh, I'm sharing that to book twitter
[06:33] <StevenJayCohen> If a machine took stock Ubuntu 20.04, added the Low Latency Kernel and the Music stuff via Ubuntu Studio Installer, and wants to upgrade to 2X.04 in a year or two, does the upgrade take care of the Low Latency Kernel and the Music stuff? Or will I need to upgrade those after the fact via Ubuntu Studio Installer. I'm guessing that the Kernel will be updated, and possibly the pieces that I had installed too,
[06:33] <StevenJayCohen> but that I should re-install the Music stuff to pick up any new additions to the distro. Will Ubuntu Studio Control update automatically?
[15:39] <OvenWerks> StevenJayCohen: I do not know the answer to that question.
[15:40] <OvenWerks> StevenJayCohen: Eickmeyer says that there needs to be a ppa purge before upgrading can be done and I do not know what that does to the system
[15:41] <Eickmeyer> All the ppa purge does is remove the PPA and downgrade the packages that are in the PPA to whatever is in the repo.
[15:42] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: ok, so what happens to software installed out side of the release?
[15:42] <OvenWerks> are they upgraded?
[15:42] <OvenWerks> I think that is what is being asked
[15:43] <Eickmeyer> Anything that is in the repos and is installed on the system is upgraded.
[15:43] <OvenWerks> StevenJayCohen: so the answer to your question is "yes"
[15:44] <OvenWerks> StevenJayCohen: the Studio packages will also be upgraded
[15:44] <StevenJayCohen> Perfect
[15:45] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I don't think a clean install will help DjZU. He is likely to make the same mistake on a new install
[15:46] <Eickmeyer> At least it would be a good starting point to see where he went wrong.
[15:47] <OvenWerks> I would like to see the line in /etc/passwd for this user
[15:48] <OvenWerks> the last entry should be: /sbin/nologin or /bin/false
[15:49] <OvenWerks> I am wondering if as a part of installing the sw he had to create this user and did so using the new user GUI
[16:04] <OvenWerks> Also the user number should be less than 1000
[16:04] <OvenWerks> A package install should take care of that...