[00:16] <chalcedny> if a person wanted to buy a 20.04 dvd where is the right place?
[00:16] <chalcedny> downloading here is iffy
[00:17] <nightBulb> bad internet connection or bad download speed from server ?
[00:18] <chalcedny> very slow dsl
[00:18] <nightBulb> so recommending torrent download is pointless ...
[00:19] <chalcedny> nightBulb, yes afraid so
[00:19] <oerheks> torrent on a public wifi,, https://torrent.ubuntu.com/tracker_index
[00:21] <chalcedny> have to look into that.
[00:21] <chalcedny> we aren't supposed to go places
[00:22] <chalcedny> even the library is closed
[00:22] <nightBulb> any trouble with download resume ?
[00:23] <chalcedny> frankly he's had endless problems with 18.04 he's hoping to get a clean good copy and start over
[00:25] <nightBulb> Yup did that day before yesterday  ... completely removed Windows , instead installed KDE neon & Ubuntu 20.04
[00:26] <nightBulb> Left the Ubuntu 18.04 intact though ...
[00:26] <chalcedny> ah
[00:26] <RoadRunner> nightBulb: the install process instructions say to download both the LPR driver AND the cupswrapper driver; does that make sense to you?
[00:26] <chalcedny> how can he be sure he's got the whole thing?
[00:28] <nightBulb> RoadRunner, the instructions are accurate ...
[00:28] <nightBulb> chalcedny, ?
[00:28] <nightBulb> sure of getting what whole ?
[00:29] <chalcedny> the full download of Ubuntu 20.04
[00:29] <nightBulb> via bittorrent ?
[00:30] <chalcedny> our internet speed is really tiny
[00:30] <nightBulb> above 100 KB/sec or below ?
[00:31] <chalcedny> i'll let you know in a moment
[00:32] <nightBulb> https://testmy.net/
[00:33] <chalcedny>  Download Speed 0.35 Mbps (43.8 KB/sec transfer rate) Upload Speed 0.06 Mbps (7.5 KB/sec transfer rate) Latency 76 ms
[00:34] <chalcedny> nightBulb, that's about what it is
[00:34] <nightBulb> Usually in bittorrent clients there is an option of force-recheck
[00:34] <nightBulb> the download (not the speed)
[00:34] <chalcedny> that's actually good for here
[00:36] <nightBulb> should download in 19 hours ...   ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[00:36] <nightBulb> so bittorrent is better, if you try ,,
[00:36] <nightBulb> can easily resume from any interruption ...
[00:36] <chalcedny> hehehe
[00:37] <chalcedny> there is a place on ebay that sells ubuntu dvds
[00:37] <nightBulb> DSL is limited or unlimited ?
[00:38] <nightBulb> is there any download/time cap ?
[00:38] <chalcedny> there is some maximum. i think we've only hit it once
[00:38] <nightBulb> Time or data ?
[00:39] <chalcedny> data
[00:39] <nightBulb> monthly ?
[00:39] <chalcedny> yes
[00:39] <nightBulb> month's about to end ...
[00:39] <nightBulb> so can download before that ...
[00:39] <nightBulb> if data left ..
[00:40] <nightBulb> downloading is ideally better ... (ensuring you get clean ubuntu) ...
[00:40] <chalcedny> nod
[00:40] <RoadRunner> nightBulb: during the instal, after: dpkg -i --force-all  (lpr-HL2040) get: syntax error near unexpected token `('
[00:41] <chalcedny> i wasn't excited about buying from an unkown source, so i asked.
[00:42] <nightBulb> what's the file name RoadRunner ?
[00:42] <RoadRunner> nightBulb: HL2040
[00:43] <nightBulb> are you in a terminal (bash)
[00:43] <nightBulb> ?
[00:43] <nightBulb> wait...
[00:44] <nightBulb> type without bracket
[00:44] <RoadRunner> nightBulb: yes, the correct syntax is : dpkg -i --force-all  HL2040 ?
[00:44] <nightBulb> ()
[00:44] <nightBulb> yes
[00:44] <nightBulb> also
[00:44] <nightBulb> if you are in a terminal ...
[00:44] <nightBulb> in the directory where you downloaded ...
[00:44] <RoadRunner> yes
[00:44] <nightBulb> then
[00:45] <nightBulb> dpkg -i --force-all ./(press tab on keyboard)
[00:45] <nightBulb> and use autocomplete.
[00:45] <nightBulb> instead of typing manually ...
[00:45] <RoadRunner> also, I've downloaded 2 drivers but can only see one
[00:46] <nightBulb> ls -l
[00:48] <nightBulb> RoadRunner, ?
[00:48] <RoadRunner> nightBulb: dpkg -i --force-all  HL2040 dpkg: error: operation requires read/write access to dpkg status area
[00:48] <nightBulb> sudo
[00:49] <teward> did you use sudo with the dpkg command?
[00:49] <nightBulb> sudo dpkg
[00:49] <RoadRunner> trying now
[00:49] <nightBulb> sudo dpkg -i --force-all  HL2040
[00:50] <RoadRunner> dpkg-split: error: error reading HL2040: Is a directory dpkg: error processing archive HL2040 (--install):  subprocess dpkg-split returned error exit status 2 Errors were encountered while processing:  HL2040 frosty@frosty-desktop:/var/spool/lpd$
[00:50] <vortexx> Hi, I upgraded to 20.04 from 19.10 yesterday and now my windows key & left-ctrl key have stopped working in the Swiss French keylayout. They both work fine in US English layout. Has anyone else had this issue and is it a known bug?
[00:51] <nightBulb> is HL2040 the complete name of the file ?
[00:51] <RoadRunner> that's all I see
[00:51] <nightBulb> are you in a terminal ?
[00:52] <nightBulb> terminal / bash ?
[00:52] <RoadRunner> yes
[00:52] <nightBulb> type
[00:52] <nightBulb> ls -l
[00:52] <nightBulb> do you see the downloaded files ?
[00:53] <nightBulb> in last column
[00:53] <RoadRunner> total 4 drwx------ 2 lp lp 4096 Apr  5  2007 HL2040
[00:53] <teward> buggy bot.
[00:54] <teward> RoadRunner: is HL2040 actually a deb package or just an executable?  what does `file HL2040` show?
[00:54] <teward> if it does not show "Debian binary package (format 2.0)" then it is not a .deb file to be installed with dpkg
[00:54] <johnjay> i didn't realize file was that specific^
[00:55] <teward> it can be :P
[00:55] <nightBulb> RoadRunner, what's inside the directory HL2040?
[00:55] <RoadRunner> nightBulb: HL2040 is empty
[00:56] <nightBulb> did you try to extract the downloaded file ?
[00:57] <nightBulb> which is supposed to be a file ending with ".deb"
[00:57] <nightBulb> RoadRunner, ?
[00:57] <RoadRunner> both driver packages were installed with software
[00:57] <nightBulb> double click ?
[00:57] <nightBulb> and the Software App ?
[00:58] <RoadRunner> yep, the software manager; both seemed to have installed without issues
[00:58] <nightBulb> then no need for dpkg
[00:58] <nightBulb> commands
[00:58] <nightBulb> complete the steps after the dpkg instructions ...
[00:59] <nightBulb> dpkg  -l  |  grep  Brother
[00:59] <nightBulb> run it
[00:59] <nightBulb> does it show anything ?
[00:59] <nightBulb> RoadRunner ?
[00:59] <RoadRunner> nightBulb: sec
[00:59] <Sven_vB> can the focal live USB still use casper-rw as a file inside a FAT32 partition?
[01:00] <RoadRunner> nightBulb: well there seems to be 4 files here
[01:01] <nightBulb> last 2 should seem familiar ...
[01:01] <nightBulb> do you see anything resembling HL2040?
[01:01] <nightBulb> RoadRunner ?
[01:02] <RoadRunner> if you give me a sec I'll put it in paste bin
[01:02] <nightBulb> https://paste.ubuntu.com/
[01:04] <RoadRunner> nightBulb: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rWRHzdDz7y/
[01:04] <nightBulb> Yes
[01:04] <nightBulb> That's accurate .
[01:04] <nightBulb> Proceed with next steps given on brother website ...
[01:05] <nightBulb> RoadRunner.
[01:05] <RoadRunner> thank's :)
[01:06] <nightBulb> You're welcome :)
[01:06] <murthy> I want to upgrade from 19.10 to 20.04 without waiting
[01:07] <Jordan_U> Sven_vB: I didn't know until now that was a feature :) I can't think of a reason why that feature would go away, so probably yes?
[01:07] <Jordan_U> murthy: No need to wait, it's only 18.04 to 20.04 where you're recommended to wait until 20.04.1 .
[01:07] <Jordan_U> !upgrade | murthy
[01:08] <Bashing-om> !ltsupgrade | murthy
[01:09] <murthy> I am a kubuntu user
[01:10] <murthy> quoting from here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FocalUpgrades/Kubuntu
[01:10] <murthy> "From 19.10, there may a delay of a few hrs to days between the official release announcements and the Ubuntu Release Team enabling upgrades"
[01:10] <murthy> why does that say days?
[01:10] <oerheks> if you take the -d option, prepare a fresh usb with iso, and have fun
[01:11] <murthy> oerheks: are you talking to me?
[01:12] <oerheks> murthy, yes, those articles give the upgrade option with -d
[01:12] <oerheks> still, prepare a fresh usb, just in case
[01:13] <RoadRunner> nightBulb: 'Check the configuration filename for your distribution (Debian) ': /etc/printcap - is abscent
[01:14] <nightBulb> how are you connecting the printer ?
[01:14] <nightBulb> RoadRunner ?
[01:15] <murthy> oerheks: if I use the -d option it will not upgrade to a dev version of 20.10 right?
[01:15] <RoadRunner> nightBulb: parallel cable
[01:16] <oerheks> murthy, no, it points to focal
[01:16] <oerheks> no gorilla :-D
[01:16] <murthy> oerheks: groovy!
[01:16] <murthy> oerheks: I am upgrading, thank you
[01:16] <oerheks> hav fun!
[01:17] <nightBulb> RoadRunner, do you mean USB ?
[01:17] <RoadRunner> nightBulb: no, I mean parallel cable
[01:17] <murthy> btw, whoever suggested the name for 20.04 my thanks.
[01:17] <Sven_vB> Jordan_U, well, my attempt to boot xubuntu with persistence ended up in an initram rescue shell, with lots of /bin/init errors about no medium in some disk above. I'll try and copy the messages next time. when I searched the web for "focal persistent casper-rw", I found https://askubuntu.com/q/1181854 accepted answer, bullet 2 which uses past tense for the FAT32 method. on the other hand, my attempt with a casper-rw partition seems to
[01:17] <Sven_vB> fail as well.
[01:18] <murthy> see you people later, have a nice day
[01:18] <nightBulb> RoadRunner, Is this your printer HL-2040  ?
[01:19] <RoadRunner> nightBulb: that part of instructions actually seems to be clear; my question is where to find that config file; my /etc/printcap dir is abscent
[01:19] <Sven_vB> oh I see I need to use another boot entry in GRUB for the loopback.
[01:19] <RoadRunner> and yes, my printer is Brother HL-2040
[01:19] <iconoclasthero> i was having a problem where libffi.so.7 and libp11-kit.so.0 did not have agreeing version numbers (Error:  /usr/lib/apt/methods/http: /usr/local/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libffi.so.7: no version information available (required by /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libp11-kit.so.0)) and so I compiled/installed p11-kit from source (version 0.23.20).  i tried apt again and the error remained so I
[01:19] <iconoclasthero> sudo unlink /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libp11-kit.so.0 && sudo ln /usr/local/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libp11-kit.so.0.3.0 libp11-kit.so.0
[01:20] <nightBulb> doesn't it only have options for USB & Network ?
[01:20] <rupert160> hello all - what channel would you suggest to work with the "S.A.N.E." scanner driver team with Ubuntu?
[01:20] <iconoclasthero> this eliminated the problem with apt and curl.  i'm concerned though that I'm going to have a problem down the road with one or both of these libraries being out of sync again.
[01:20] <nightBulb> RoadRunner,?
[01:20] <RoadRunner> nightBulb: my printer can do both USB and parallel cable
[01:20] <iconoclasthero> will apt just take care of them normally as updates come out?
[01:21] <RoadRunner> but the parallel cable is already connected so that's what I have
[01:22] <nightBulb> http://localhost:631/printers
[01:22] <nightBulb> RoadRunner ?
[01:23] <nightBulb> what does that link show ?
[01:24] <RoadRunner> nightBulb: nothing
[01:24] <nightBulb> no webpage or no printers ?
[01:24] <nightBulb> RoadRunner ?
[01:25] <Sven_vB> is there a sibling option to the live CD's iso-scan/filename=??? to provide the partition label of the partition in which to look for the iso?
[01:25] <RoadRunner> no printers listed after a search for Brother HL-2040 on that webpage
[01:26] <RoadRunner> nightBulb: what is that page?
[01:26] <nightBulb> RoadRunner, If your printer is not listed on "http://localhost:631/printers", please go to "http://localhost:631/admin" and click "Add printer" and select proper device and driver.
[01:26] <nightBulb> CUPS
[01:27] <nightBulb> Common UNIX Printing System
[01:27] <RoadRunner> nightBulb: so the drivers I've been trying are the wrong ones?
[01:27] <nightBulb> No
[01:27] <nightBulb> they enable connection
[01:28] <nightBulb> adding a printer is different ...
[01:29] <nightBulb> RoadRunner ...
[01:29] <RoadRunner> the site is asking  me for user name and password
[01:29] <RoadRunner> ?
[01:29] <nightBulb> of your logged in user
[01:29] <nightBulb> that site is your PC
[01:29] <RoadRunner> k
[01:30] <nightBulb> Just through the eyes of the web browser ...
[01:32] <RoadRunner> nightBulb: got a bunch of 'found printers' which bullets should I check?
[01:32] <nightBulb> ?
[01:32] <RoadRunner> shall I post a screen shot?
[01:35] <nightBulb> Yes, that might be helpfule ...
[01:35] <nightBulb> helpful
[01:36] <RoadRunner> nightBulb: https://imgur.com/a/3Wa8bCi
[01:36] <nightBulb> continue
[01:36] <nightBulb> Brother HL
[01:38] <RoadRunner> nightBulb: nothing else should be selected?
[01:39] <nightBulb> Nope
[01:39] <RoadRunner> k
[01:41] <gbs-> hi, when ubuntu16.04 update support will end?
[01:42] <Bashing-om> !16.04 | gbs-
[01:42] <RoadRunner> nightBulb: https://imgur.com/a/PXvEm5t
[01:43] <RoadRunner> nightBulb: just continue again?
[01:43] <nightBulb> You can enter Location if you want ...
[01:43] <nightBulb> real world
[01:43] <nightBulb> then continue
[01:43] <nightBulb> again
[01:43] <RoadRunner> sharing?
[01:43] <nightBulb> Your choice ...
[01:44] <nightBulb> do you want to share the printer through your computer via network ?
[01:44] <RoadRunner> allows access others on the lan only?
[01:45] <gbs-> how i can upgrade ubuntu server 18.04.4 to 20.04?
[01:45] <nightBulb> RoadRunner, for now leave it blank, you can modify later.
[01:46] <nightBulb> continue
[01:46] <rupert160> @gbs- https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/upgrade-ubuntu-18-04-to-20-04-lts-using-command-line/
[01:46] <Bashing-om> !ltsupgrade | gbs-
[01:47] <Bashing-om> gbs-: sudo do-release-upgrade -d on a fully updated system.
[01:49] <gbs-> ah
[01:49] <gbs-> apt-cacher-ng was blocking it
[01:49] <gbs-> infra@vm162:~$ do-release-upgrade -d
[01:49] <gbs-> Checking for a new Ubuntu release
[01:49] <gbs-> Failed to connect to https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-lts-development. Check your Internet connection or proxy settings
[01:49] <gbs-> There is no development version of an LTS available.
[01:49] <gbs-> To upgrade to the latest non-LTS develoment release
[01:49] <gbs-> set Prompt=normal in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades.
[01:50] <nightBulb> RoadRunner, * Drone sets quiet on *!*@191.30.213.141
[01:50] <nightBulb> Sorry
[01:50] <RoadRunner> nightBulb: which 2040 to select? also (foomatic  filters were removed)...
[01:50] <RoadRunner> https://imgur.com/a/FrR9knH
[01:50] <nightBulb> RoadRunner, https://askubuntu.com/questions/206902/cups-restrict-printer-access-to-trusted-users-on-network
[01:51] <gbs-> sorry
[01:51] <nightBulb> RoadRunner, (probably) select the recommended ?
[01:52] <RoadRunner> nightBulb: several models for 2040 here, none suggested...
[01:52] <nightBulb> (recommended)
[01:52] <nightBulb> hl1250
[01:53] <nightBulb> ?
[01:53] <RoadRunner> nightBulb: why not one of the 2040's?
[01:53] <nightBulb> brother HL 2040 Foomatic/hl1250
[01:54] <nightBulb> brother HL 2040 Foomatic/hl1250 (recommended)
[01:54] <nightBulb> brother HL 2040 Foomatic/hl1250 (recommended) (en)
[01:57] <RoadRunner> nightBulb: so not 2035 CUPS + Gutenprint...?
[01:58] <nightBulb> ?
[01:58] <RoadRunner> since I've removed foomatic filters earlier...?
[01:59] <nightBulb> replaced
[01:59] <nightBulb> not removed
[01:59] <RoadRunner> ok, I'll do as you suggest
[01:59] <nightBulb> remove something but added something else.
[02:00] <nightBulb> that'd be my guess...
[02:01] <RoadRunner> k, that process seems to have finished, now what?
[02:01] <nightBulb> now print ???
[02:02] <nightBulb>  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[02:04] <RoadRunner> nightBulb: amazingly it worked !!!   Bless YOU !!!
[02:04] <nightBulb> Success !!!
[02:05] <RoadRunner> Thank you for spoon feeding me through this nightmare !!!
[02:05] <nightBulb> Everyone needs a little help, every now and then. :) Cheers...
[02:06] <tripelb> Hey dont leave ywt6
[02:06] <r3dux> nightBulb, Roadrunner: This restored my faith in humanity. Thanks.
[02:06] <nightBulb> :)
[02:06] <tripelb> What do I do to make the screen turn into all the windows I have as little ones. I've tried corners and I've tried some key combinations
[02:07] <tripelb> Never mind I just did it.
[02:07] <RoadRunner> r3dux: I probably took the cake for the dumbest questions on this :)
[02:09] <r3dux> Roadrunner: NO SUCH THING... nobody is supposed to know any of this stuff... we all have to learn things from eachother... it's the best way. There is never a stupid question, only elitist who get tired of helping people.
[02:10] <bisector> Does the new zsysd rollback in uboot consider docker and lxd images as user data or do they get rolled back too?
[02:10] <RoadRunner> r3dux: thank you for your kind words
[02:12] <nightBulb> +1 what r3dux said, couldn't have said it better myself.
[02:13] <r3dux> nightBulb: :)
[02:14] <RoadRunner> nightBulb: thank you again and if you still have the strength for another question, why was the last stage of setup done through the browser rather than terminal or...
[02:16] <nightBulb> easier that way ?
[02:16] <nightBulb> you were not installing anything ..
[02:16] <nightBulb> just configuring
[02:16] <nightBulb> in the web browser
[02:17] <Jordan_U> bisector: If it were btrfs, I would say that would depend on what subvolume your docker and lxd images are stored on. Where are your images stored?
[02:17] <RoadRunner> I guess I don't think of my browser as a config tool for my printer...
[02:17] <nightBulb> :D
[02:18] <nightBulb> standardized GUI ...     (xubuntu probably has some other program for it as well )
[02:18] <bisector> Both are under separate zfs filesystems. rpool/ROOT/ubuntu_92k9yu/var/lib/docker/xxxx  and rpool/ROOT/ubuntu_92k9yu/var/lib/lxd/images/xxxxx But home dirs are under pool/USERDATA
[02:19] <RoadRunner> in the last section of instructions on Brother's page they tried to do it directly in terminal by modifying the config file but is wasn't were they said it would be; where does it reside?
[02:21] <nightBulb> nope
[02:22] <nightBulb> they say almost what you did.
[02:24] <digitalw00t> I'm trying to upgrade an older system from 16.04 to latest through the command line but it's not working.  It's asking me to update before upgrading.  But everything is updated as best I can tell.
[02:24] <digitalw00t> apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade
[02:24] <digitalw00t> Calculating upgrade... Done
[02:24] <digitalw00t> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[02:25] <bisector> Jordan_U: both docker and lxd have a native notion of using zfs as backing. I now see @autozsys_xyz snapshots appear after running 'apt' commands. rollback can now undo bad upgrades while preserving user data (like /home) but I don't see how to tell it what else to consider user data.
[02:27] <Bashing-om> digitalw00t: What is set for prompt in the file /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades ?
[02:27] <digitalw00t> Prompt=normal
[02:27] <RoadRunner> nightBulb: I can't help but wonder, since I can't be the only one trying to print under Linux, why didn't they try to make the install and setup more automated?
[02:28] <digitalw00t> Bashing-om:Yeah.. followed more than a few instructions online to get this done.
[02:28] <digitalw00t> Bashing-om:Normally I just reinstall, figured I'd do an upgrade for once.
[02:29] <digitalw00t> If I do:
[02:29] <digitalw00t> apt install update-manager-core
[02:29] <digitalw00t> Reading package lists... Done
[02:29] <digitalw00t> Building dependency tree
[02:29] <digitalw00t> Reading state information... Done
[02:29] <digitalw00t> update-manager-core is already the newest version (1:16.04.17).
[02:29] <digitalw00t> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
[02:30] <digitalw00t> Odd.. can't talk.
[02:30] <digitalw00t> There it goes.
[02:32] <digitalw00t> So yeah.. update-manger-core install reports 2 backage not upgrade.
[02:32] <digitalw00t> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/j9rTxg9csQ/
[02:32] <digitalw00t> But I for the life of me can't find what it's complaining about.
[02:32] <Bashing-om> digitalw00t: Ya want that prom[t as "Prompt=lts" - the path is 16.04 -> 18.04 -> 20.04 . A lot of band width and time and possible errors.
[02:33] <RoadRunner> nightBulb: I don't know what time zone you are in, but regardless, after this marathon you deserve milk and cookies followed by a good snooze. Thank you and take care!
[02:33] <Bashing-om> !tlsupgrade | digitalw00t
[02:33] <digitalw00t> Ah.. the instructions I followed wanted it changed.  Let me put it back.
[02:33] <Bashing-om> !ltsupgrade | digitalw00t
[02:33] <eelstrebor> everytime i upgrade my distro i end up fighting for hours if not days to make postfix work again
[02:34] <digitalw00t> Bashing-om:So from a 16.04, I don't mind going from that to 17 then 18.  I just wanted to get this machine upgraded to something near latest.
[02:34] <tripelb> What do you call that thing on the left that holds icons that are gigantic and I want to make them smaller. I can't look it up cuz it's not called dashboard.
[02:35] <topcat001> Dock :)
[02:35] <Bashing-om> digitalw00t: LTS upgrade is a direct path to the next LTS, from 16.04 that is release 18.04 :)
[02:35] <nightBulb> RoadRunner, thanks, it is in-fact my sleep time (not in my Time Zone), and I did just have my milk. You too take care. :)
[02:35] <tripelb> Ty topcat001
[02:36] <tripelb> Is there a way I can put Gmail on Thunderbird?
[02:36] <Bashing-om> digitalw00t: to 18.04 the command is with out the -d switch !
[02:37] <digitalw00t> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HzMWnv7JjW/
[02:37] <digitalw00t> Yeah.. that's what I tried and the output from it.
[02:37] <digitalw00t> And without the -d: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bjTx3mzY6V/
[02:37] <tripelb> Is there a way I can search for an app in Ubuntu software?
[02:38] <Bashing-om> digitalw00t: 18.04 is out of the development stage - run as "  sudo do-release-upgrade " .
[02:39] <tripelb> Is there a way of getting a list version of Ubuntu software with the icon on the left and the one sentence explanation of what it is on the right. Having to click on each one to find out what it is at all is deadly aka difficult boring time-consuming and retarded like a spark.
[02:39] <digitalw00t> Bashing-om:I did, that's the https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HzMWnv7JjW  output
[02:39] <digitalw00t> Bashing-om:It's asking me to install updates before upgrading.  But I don't see any updates to apply.
[02:40] <Bashing-om> digitalw00t: ^^ says "do-release-upgrade -d" to get to 18.04 do not use that -d switch ( development).
[02:41] <digitalw00t> I've tried it with and without.
[02:41] <Bashing-om> digitalw00t: What results ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt full-upgrade ' ?
[02:41] <digitalw00t> Bashing-om:0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[02:42] <Bashing-om> digitalw00t: and /etc/update-manager/release-upgrade set to LTS ?
[02:42] <digitalw00t> cat /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades|grep Prompt
[02:42] <digitalw00t> Bashing-om:cat /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades|grep Prompt
[02:42] <digitalw00t> Prompt=lts
[02:42] <digitalw00t> Yup.
[02:44] <Bashing-om> digitalw00t: ' sudo do-release-upgrade ' should workie . no ?
[02:46] <digitalw00t> Bashing-om:And it responds  -> Please install all available updates for your release before upgrading.
[02:46] <digitalw00t> You see my confusion;
[02:46] <Bashing-om> digitalw00t: Yeah - lemme see that I find the file we want to have. gimme a tic to hunt.
[02:50] <eelstrebor> heh, now i got vlc launching when i try to look at an attached drive - must be a failed upgrade even though it's a fresh install
[02:53] <Jordan_U> bisector: Well, mount the @qutozsys_xyz snapshot somewhere and see what it contains. Again, all my experience is with btrfs, where I have one subvolume for / and another for /home/. When I snapshot /, everything except /home/ is part of that snapshot. So I know by the path what will be included in any snapshot. Also, I can tell what snapshots are mounted where by running "mount" and seeing where the
[02:54] <Jordan_U> mountponts are.
[02:59] <digitalw00t> Bashing-om:Should I just plan on rebuilding this to current?
[03:01] <bisector> Jordan_U: thx. I'll go play in a VM for a bit.
[03:03] <Jordan_U> bisector: You're welcome. Please tell me how it goes.
[03:12] <CarlFK> thinkpad Ubuntu 18.04.4 - sound was wroking, now settings/sound/output only shows "dummy sound" - including when I plug in an hdmi display that has sound
[03:16] <Bashing-om> digitalw00t: Sorry - drawing a blank still on that control file I am seeking :( still looking.
[03:17] <digitalw00t> Bashing-om:No worries.
[03:17] <bet0x> Hello, after a do-release-upgrade from 16 to 18 i get this error: dpkg: error processing package libpam-systemd:amd64 (--configure):
[03:33] <ayee> I'm on ubuntu 20.04, on a macbook pro (natively running ubuntu). Everytime I boot up on ubuntu, I have to type this command to get wifi to work: "sudo iwconfig wlp3s0 txpower 10dBm". Is there a file I can put in to not have to type this on boot, and have the wifi just work on boot?
[03:46] <bisector> Jordan_U: Turns out /var/lib is setup to be system nor user data which is nice. since both lxd and docker images are under /var/lib they won't be messed with by a rollback from uboot. zsys uses zfs attribute 'com.ubuntu.zsys:bootfs' on the sub-filesystem for that.
[04:14] <Bashing-om> digitalw00t: My google-fu fails - frustrated that I can not at this time identify that control file to control do-release :(
[04:14] <digitalw00t> Bashing-om:No problem.  I'll just have to do a forklift upgrade.
[04:58] <n3wt0n> how can i monitor which application/package/script using how much internet for last month/week(like android's data usage)?
[05:50] <jezzirolk> im having an issue with ubuntu 20.04 server in virtual box, where i have to run netplan apply to get my networking back up. looking at the settings it seems that the bridge isnt getting an ip address. any thoughts?
[05:51] <jezzirolk> the bridge being the linux bridge that im using for lxd stuff in the container
[05:51] <jezzirolk> but is also bridged to my main network via virtualbox
[05:58] <Jordan_U> n35xdxb0: I'm not sure that there is a convenient way. It seems that you may be able to monitor data usage by process, but you have to initiate that monitoring knowing the PID (hard for an application that's not constantly running, or has multiple processes). You can also monitor by cgroup, but then you would need to setup all of your apps to run in different cgroups. It's quite possible that there are
[05:58] <Jordan_U> other options I couldn't find in my quick search.
[06:31] <DumbLDoor> Hi! I just upgraded to 20.04 from 19.10. I have a separate data partition and somehow my desktop folder and contents are all gone
[06:32] <DumbLDoor> I have everything else, seemingly.. pictures, downloads, documents, videos etc
[06:33] <DumbLDoor> cd /home/<username>/Desktop - not found, folder does not exist..
[06:34] <the_drow[m]> Is it safe to upgrade from 19.10 to 20.04 yet? sudo do-release-upgrade doesn't report a new version yet
[06:34] <the_drow[m]> I know I can do -d but is it safe or should I wait a couple of more days?
[06:34] <DumbLDoor> I did a fresh install
[06:34] <DumbLDoor> since I have a separate data partition.
[06:34] <the_drow[m]> Yeh I'm gonna do that on my actual machine
[06:35] <the_drow[m]> But this is a VM I work on while using windows because that's what the client wants :/
[06:35] <the_drow[m]> The chat app that only works on windows is more important than the rest of my work environment sooooooo
[06:35] <the_drow[m]> I'd hate to lose my data
[06:36] <DumbLDoor> I have lost just a few files.. desktop folder missing is a very weird thing
[06:36] <DumbLDoor> i don't have much on desktop but some scratch
[06:36] <DumbLDoor> One file was important
[06:37] <the_drow[m]> so the answer is not yet
[06:37] <the_drow[m]> brb
[06:38] <DumbLDoor> will talk tomorrow, cya
[06:49] <the_drow[m]> b
[07:11] <JakeSays> trying to upgrade from 19.10 to 20.04, and i keep getting this: "required_download could not be calculated: E:Can't find a source to download version '5.3.0-23.25' of 'linux-image-5.3.0-23-generic:amd64'"
[07:11] <JakeSays> any ideas?
[07:12] <JakeSays> also what does a partial upgrade entail?
[07:17] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic eoan
[07:18] <lotuspsychje> JakeSays: update your system to latest first
[07:18] <lotuspsychje> !uptodate | JakeSays
[07:18] <JakeSays> lotuspsychje: i did
[07:19] <JakeSays> hadn't tried full-upgrade though
[07:19] <lotuspsychje> JakeSays: that kernel -23 doesnt match current 19.10 kernel
[07:19] <geirha> !info linux-image-5.3.0-23-generic eoan
[07:20] <JakeSays> lotuspsychje: i'm actually booting to -29
[07:20] <JakeSays> i also have 45 and 46
[07:21] <lotuspsychje> JakeSays: how come you are not booted into -46 then?
[07:21] <JakeSays> wait.. i don't have the kernel or initrd for 23
[07:21] <JakeSays> lotuspsychje: and good question
[07:22] <JakeSays> it's a pita because something keeps breaking my grub.cfg
[07:22] <lotuspsychje> JakeSays: try boooting into -46 and make sure your system is fully up to date, then try the release upgrade
[07:22] <JakeSays> lotuspsychje: will do
[07:28] <JakeSays> lotuspsychje: why is it that i have to use -d on update-manager to see 20.04?
[07:29] <JakeSays> also the repos have been changed from 19.10 to 20.04 so everything needs upgrading
[07:29] <JakeSays> but that doesn't seem right
[07:30] <JakeSays> it keeps getting stuck on -23
[07:31] <lotuspsychje> JakeSays: can you boot into -46 please and pastebin what you experience exactly?
[07:32] <JakeSays> i did boot to -46
[07:32] <geirha> for the LTS upgrade (18.04-20.04), the option to upgrade will not appear until 20.04.1 is released. Not sure if that also applies for 19.10, or if it's just delayed a little while to get the upgrade process tested a bit more before opening it up to everyone
[07:33] <JakeSays> lotuspsychje: https://pastebin.com/fCnj8MPQ
[07:34] <lotuspsychje> !ltsupgrade | geirha
[07:35] <lotuspsychje> our new factoid :p
[07:36] <geirha> right, but it doesn't cover why 19.10 doesn't give the upgrade option yet
[07:36] <lotuspsychje> JakeSays: hmm some weird errors there, try sudo apt autoremove please?
[07:36] <JakeSays> is there a way to roll back the failed upgrade?
[07:36] <JakeSays> ok
[07:36] <JakeSays> lotuspsychje: E: Can't find a source to download version '5.3.0-23.25' of 'linux-image-5.3.0-23-generic:amd64'
[07:37] <JakeSays> geirha: 19.10 should be available "in a few days"
[07:37] <JakeSays> it's only been three, so who knows
[07:38] <lotuspsychje> JakeSays: not sure why apt is complaining about an older kernel liek that hmmm, maybe a dpkg forced purge that kernel version manual?
[07:39] <JakeSays> lotuspsychje: will it be an issue that my package sources all point to focal now?
[07:39] <lotuspsychje> JakeSays: i dont think so, cause fossa has 5.4 kernel and 5.3 -23 should gotten autoremoved already from eoan
[07:40] <JakeSays> ok
[07:40] <lotuspsychje> JakeSays: dpkg --list | grep linux-image to see all your kernels
[07:42] <JakeSays> lotuspsychje: it lists 4.18.0-10.11 to 5.3.0.46.39
[07:42] <lotuspsychje> oof
[07:42] <clarkk> I've set my screen to go blank after 5 minutes. In fact, when it I lock the screen via the keyboard, it does it (although doesn't turn off the screen completely). If I leave the system running overnight, after a while, the screen shows the desktop colour and the time - and thus is active all night.  How do I fix this?
[07:42] <JakeSays> lotuspsychje: but it doesn't list -23
[07:42] <clarkk> I'm using Ubuntu 18.04, btw
[07:43] <JakeSays> lotuspsychje: the dpkg purge cleaned it up i think
[07:43] <lotuspsychje> JakeSays: apt should autoremove kernels automatic these days, not sure why you still got such a list of kernels
[07:44] <JakeSays> i dont actually have the files for them all in /boot
[07:45] <JakeSays> lotuspsychje: should i do that full-upgrade now?
[07:45] <lotuspsychje> JakeSays: yeah lets try sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[07:46] <clarkk> actually, forget my question for now - I'm trying some things
[07:46] <JakeSays> lotuspsychje: ok it's off doing its thing
[07:47] <lotuspsychje> yay JakeSays :p
[07:47] <JakeSays> i just hope i dont end up with a dev build
[07:48] <lotuspsychje> JakeSays: the command above is just for updating your current system
[07:48] <lotuspsychje> not for release jumping
[07:49] <JakeSays> lotuspsychje: it's pulling everything from focal
[07:50] <lotuspsychje> JakeSays: might be because you already done a partial upgrade then
[07:50] <JakeSays> right
[07:50] <JakeSays> hope that doesn't mess things up
[07:50] <lotuspsychje> i dont think so, think it will straighten things for 20.04 now
[07:50] <JakeSays> good
[07:51] <lotuspsychje> JakeSays: maybe before rebooting, doublecheck your sources.list too and make sure there's no leftovers there
[07:51] <JakeSays> ok
[07:54] <spinningCat> can i run matlab in ubuntu?
[08:02] <Toxmi> I'm trying to encrypt a big tar archive. However, using openssl wasn't succesfull since in decrypt it gave error (bad decrypt). Is openssl suitable for large argives?
[08:02] <Toxmi> It's OK, when I test on small archives and files but on a 10+GB archive, it encrypt but it doesn't decrypt
[08:03] <DJones> spinningCat: Looks like its possible, I don't know if it works, but this link might give you some pointers on to get started https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-matlab-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux
[08:03] <spinningCat> DJones,  thanks
[08:11] <JakeSays> huh. matlab isn't as expensive as i thought it would be for an individual
[08:26] <DJones> em
[08:27] <DJones> Sorry, wrong window
[08:29] <JakeSays> lotuspsychje: so rebooted, but my video drivers disappeared. i'm back to 640x480
[08:30] <JakeSays> and there's also a terminal running
[08:30] <JakeSays> a login terminal
[08:30] <JakeSays> this is really weird
[08:30] <lotuspsychje> JakeSays: there are 2 known bugs about nvidia on 20.04, try to check ubuntu-drivers list for your card
[08:31] <JakeSays> lotuspsychje: is that a file?
[08:31] <lotuspsychje> JakeSays: no, command from terminal
[08:31] <JakeSays> found it
[08:32] <JakeSays> lotuspsychje: it lists three versions
[08:32] <lotuspsychje> JakeSays: nvidia-smi to see wich one is active
[08:34] <JakeSays> lotuspsychje: | NVIDIA-SMI 435.21       Driver Version: 435.21       CUDA Version: 10.1     |
[08:35] <JakeSays> hmm. that's not the latest one
[08:35] <lotuspsychje> did 440 list?
[08:35] <JakeSays> ubuntu-drivers devices lists 440 as recommended
[08:35] <lotuspsychje> JakeSays: do you have auto login enabled on ubutnu?
[08:35] <lotuspsychje> *ubuntu
[08:36] <JakeSays> no
[08:36] <lotuspsychje> ok try a switch to 440 and reboot
[08:36] <JakeSays> nvidia-smi only shows 435
[08:36] <JakeSays> how do i switch?
[08:39] <lotuspsychje> JakeSays: i mean with ubuntu-drivers list, did 440 show?
[08:41] <JakeSays> it idd
[08:41] <JakeSays> *did
[08:43] <JakeSays> do i use ubuntu-drivers install?
[08:44] <lotuspsychje> JakeSays: no, just sudo apt install your-nvidia-driverversion
[08:45] <JakeSays> ah ok
[08:46] <FreeBDSM> hello, how to install keys from ppa:ansible/ansible? where does launchpad ubuntu store its keys? `add-apt-repository ppa:ansible/ansible` tells me `Cannot add PPA: 'ppa:~ansible/ubuntu/ansible'. ERROR: '~ansible' user or team does not exist.` yet when I curl launchpad's /~ansible page - I do get contents, so, clearly, it exists.
[08:50] <JakeSays> lotuspsychje: nvidia-smi shows it's running 440, but nothing changed
[08:51] <lotuspsychje> JakeSays: you dont boot nomodeset or something?
[08:52] <JakeSays> lotuspsychje: not that i'm aware of
[08:54] <lotuspsychje> !20.04 | JakeSays check the releasenotes
[08:54] <lotuspsychje> there are 2 bugs about nvidia there, see if they affect you too?
[09:06] <JakeSays> lotuspsychje: neither of those apply
[09:07] <JakeSays> dmesg has this in it: nvidia-modeset: Loading NVIDIA Kernel Mode Setting Driver for UNIX platforms  440.64  Fri Feb 21 00:43:19 UTC 2020
[09:14] <zoli77> hi, where gnome does get the default applications from after I deleted the /etc/gnome/defaults.list file? And what/where is exactly configured in the gnome settings gui at the Defaults Application menu?? Because before the deletion the latter one worked, but editing the file didn't work for some reason.
[09:23] <Intelo> Will I have any problems for ubuntu if I have AMD?
[09:30] <zoli77> Intelo: no
[09:30] <JakeSays> lotuspsychje: so i booted in to 5.3.0-46 and it's working fine.
[09:30] <lotuspsychje> JakeSays: right..
[09:31] <JakeSays> lotuspsychje: is that right as in i dont believe you?
[09:32] <lotuspsychje> JakeSays: no, as in i asked you to boot into -46 latest in the first place
[09:32] <JakeSays> lotuspsychje: i did that when i was on 19.10
[09:32] <JakeSays> just like you asked
[09:33] <JakeSays> on 20.04 5.4 failed
[09:33] <lotuspsychje> JakeSays: oh right
[09:33] <lotuspsychje> JakeSays: lets try to fallback to nouveau
[09:33] <lotuspsychje> JakeSays: sudo apt purge nvidia*
[09:34] <JakeSays> well, i'm fine with 5.3 for the moment. i've recovered from my heart attack and need sleep.
[09:34] <JakeSays> i'll try nouveau tomorrow
[09:34] <JakeSays> lotuspsychje: seriously - thank you for your help!
[09:34] <lotuspsychje> allright good luck JakeSays
[09:44] <cpach> hi folks. what is the best RDP client for linux? should i use remmina, rdesktop or something else...?
[09:49] <zoli77> cpach: probably remmina
[09:51] <cpach> zoli77: cool
[09:59] <cpach> i have already installed virtualbox-guest-x11 and virtualbox-guest-utils.
[10:19] <cpach> what are the benefits of installing the package virtualbox-guest-dkms? (my guest vm is xubuntu 20.04)
[10:22] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[10:24] <martiansoul> Hi BluesKaj
[10:26] <BluesKaj> hey martiansoul
[10:30] <ne2k> I'm trying to debug an old webcam not working on focal. (ID 0471:0310 Philips (or NXP) PCVC730K Webcam [pwc]) if I try to start a stream with gst-launch-1.0 v4l2src ! autovideosink, I get a window coming up that looks the right size, the light on the camera turns on for a second, and then it quits with an error:<v4l2src0> error: Failed to allocate
[10:30] <ne2k> required memory.
[10:31] <ne2k> tried to install v4l2ucp to attempt debugging but package seems to be absent in focal. is this an oversight or has it been replaced with something else?
[10:31] <ne2k> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=v4l2ucp
[10:35] <amcsi> did they remove ecryptfs-utils in Ubuntu 20.04? :(
[10:36] <amcsi> I've been trying to reinstall over my older Ubuntu install with 20.04, and I'm having trouble making sure I can continue to access the encrypted home directory of my existing user
[10:37] <deadrom> hi
[10:39] <deadrom> 20.04 on laptop. used to run windows 10, not anymore. wifi drops after a moment. suspected UTC/RTC issues, set ubuntu to RTC with  timedatectl set-local-rtc 1
[10:39] <deadrom> worked for a couple minutes, then dropped again. rebooted, checked BIOS clock, was a couple hours off, corrected, booted, same issue.
[10:40] <deadrom> now what. I got wifi connection up but not getting dhcp
[10:44] <Towser> Hello, I have  a USB to serial device to use with an old dot matrix printer? How do I get the drivers and get it to work?
[10:44] <JediMaster> Hi all, I've consistently had problems with my inbuilt Intel 630 HD graphics on Ubuntu (18.04 and 20.04) getting dual monitors working, the HDMI works at 4k, but the DisplayPort only at 1024x768. It turns out it appears to be an issue with the modeline detection on the monitor. I'm able to manually set the 4k@60Hz resolution with xrandr but I can't find out how to make this permanent, I've tried with ~/.xprofile (set to
[10:44] <JediMaster> executable) and it doesn't run on login.
[10:45] <JediMaster> If I manually run the .xprofile after login, it corrects the resolution and both monitors work @ 4k. How do I make this permanent & global?
[10:45] <JediMaster> This: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution#Setting_xrandr_changes_persistently appears to be out of date
[10:46] <jeremy31> deadrom: Post URL from terminal for>  cat /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/default-wifi-powersave-on.conf | nc termbin.com 9999
[10:51] <_bradk> so i did some more testing with my network dropout issues and it's not just wifi which randomly drops out, it even happens on wired connections
[10:51] <_bradk> (context: i recently upgraded from ubuntu 19.10 to 20.04 the other day on my lenovo t420s - system performance is much better but i've got very unreliable network connectivity now)
[10:54] <quadrathoch2> _bradk, how did you upgrade?
[10:54] <_bradk> quadrathoch2: clean install over the top
[10:55] <_bradk> wiped everything during the install process
[10:55] <quadrathoch2> so no upgrade, it's a clean install?
[10:55] <_bradk> yup
[10:55] <_bradk> clean install
[10:56] <quadrathoch2> can you test it with other devices? or maybe even a live usb on that laptop? so that it's not the network itself?
[10:56] <_bradk> test it with other devices? what do you mean?
[10:56] <quadrathoch2> yeah, so if the issue is with the OS or if it's maybe your network
[10:57] <_bradk> no other devices on the network are having problems and everything was very stable under ubuntu 18.10
[10:57] <quadrathoch2> i guess you mean 19.10 ;)
[10:57] <_bradk> i can try live cd
[10:57] <_bradk> yeah, that one :p
[10:57] <quadrathoch2> would be nice :)
[10:58] <_bradk> i don't know why i upgraded tbh, things were working well - i just got swept up with the tlak of the performance improvements
[10:58] <_bradk> haha
[10:58] <_bradk> oh and i also set my wifi to powersave 2 from powersave 3
[10:58] <quadrathoch2> yeah but that's why there is no supported upgrade path ;)
[10:58] <quadrathoch2> (for now)
[10:58] <quadrathoch2> just to get the last few bugs
[10:59] <_bradk> aight, let me try to find my usb
[10:59] <_bradk> and fire it up for a little bit
[11:01] <deadrom> jeremy31, no such file or dir
[11:02] <deadrom> jeremy31, no wait...
[11:03] <_bradk> quadrathoch2: alright i'm on the live cd now
[11:03] <quadrathoch2> 20.04 or 19.10? _bradk
[11:03] <_bradk> 20.04
[11:03] <quadrathoch2> k
[11:03] <_bradk> wait
[11:04] <_bradk> how do i confirm again in ubuntu?
[11:04] <_bradk> (i usually use centos)
[11:04] <quadrathoch2> what do you mean by confirm?
[11:04] <_bradk> ignore me, wrong window
[11:05] <_bradk> yep, definitely on 20.04
[11:05] <_bradk> out of interest, what does this test validate?
[11:06] <deadrom> jeremy31, wifi.powersave = 3
[11:06] <quadrathoch2> welp, I thought you would have another distro at the ready xD
[11:06] <deadrom> cant pastebin without a connection
[11:06] <jeremy31> deadrom: run>  sudo sed -i 's/wifi.powersave = 3/wifi.powersave = 2/' /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/default-wifi-powersave-on.conf
[11:06] <quadrathoch2> on the other hand you can still see if the install is borked or not _bradk
[11:09] <jeremy31> deadrom: after running thay command, reboot or run>  systemctl restart network-manager.service
[11:11] <_bradk> quadrathoch2: i've got 19.10 on this usb too
[11:11] <_bradk> so i could boot to that
[11:11] <_bradk> haven't dropped a packet yet (just pinging cloudflare dns servers)
[11:12] <quadrathoch2> hm which could mean that the install is somehow borked. did you already customize it to your liking? (maybe there was something that borked the network settings)
[11:13] <_bradk> all i really did was change terminal font, install putty (seeing
[11:13] <deadrom> jeremy31, nope, still no ipv4. router has been checked
[11:13] <_bradk> ahhh there we go
[11:13] <_bradk> it dropped
[11:13] <quadrathoch2> hm
[11:13] <_bradk> so it'sa problem on 20.04 live-cd too
[11:14] <jeremy31> deadrom: Is Network Manager set on auto under IPv4 settings?
[11:14] <quadrathoch2> did you also test to ping your own devices (like router?) as it could also be that cloudflare just denies your ping, as you are hammering them (that's called a ddos attack (at least on a small scale)
[11:14] <quadrathoch2> _bradk :)
[11:16] <_bradk> quadrathoch2: it's not a cloudflare problem, i have a telegraf ping test pushing icmp metrics in to an influxdb database and graphing it with grafana, i don't lose any packets there
[11:16] <_bradk> and when this reported icmp issues
[11:16] <_bradk> i lost connectivity to my linux server which is where this irc shell is running from
[11:16] <_bradk> so yeah, i lose full connectivity
[11:16] <quadrathoch2> _bradk, kk, just wanted to make sure
[11:17] <_bradk> yeah, definitely :)
[11:17] <deadrom> jeremy31, in the gui?
[11:17] <jeremy31> deadrom: yes
[11:18] <quadrathoch2> _bradk, the weird part is, you are the first who complains about that on a t420 :/
[11:18] <deadrom> jeremy31, should mention it's a straight 20.04 install, fresh from the iso, no defautls changed
[11:18] <deadrom> _bradk, i got wifi issues on a t530 right now, related?
[11:19] <jeremy31> deadrom: I had no issues with networking on my 20.04 install, even wifi worked
[11:19] <_bradk> maybe
[11:20] <_bradk> i was on a microsoft teams call earlier and it dropped out about 5 times in a 20 minute call
[11:21] <deadrom> _bradk could you tell me the device string of the wifi adapter from lspci?
[11:25] <_bradk> product: Centrino Advanced-N 6205 [Taylor Peak]
[11:27] <_bradk> wired is broken too
[11:32] <deadrom> _bradk, nah, wired eth works here
[11:53] <amcsi> hey, how long is the Ubuntu 20.04 Install window support to appear hanging? The window where it had a carousel of images and text talking about how awesome Ubuntu is while it's copying files. It's been running for 30 minutes already. Note that this is not a clean install.
[11:54] <corshmock> I would like to install Ubuntu as a dual boot with my existing Fedora installation.  But any docs I find, are about Ubuntu being the existing install.  Can I install Ubuntu as a second boot option?
[12:05] <JediMaster> Does anyone know how to make xrandr monitor modeline changes permanent in 20.04 (or 18.04)?
[12:05] <JediMaster> Putting the commands into .xprofile and making it executable doesn't work
[12:08] <ioria> JediMaster, have you tried to set a xorg.conf  file ?
[12:11] <lorenx> hello, i'm on ubuntu 20.04 and i'm trying to replace nautilus with nemo to handle desktop icons. i run this: https://pastebin.com/raw/tkV53g85, but i ended up seeing duplicated icons (and i cannot interact with the nautilus ones). it seems that `gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.background show-desktop-icons false` has no effect at all, any suggestion? thank you
[12:11] <quadrathoch2> corshmock, it should offer you an option to install it alongside
[12:11] <quadrathoch2> you just need enough disk space
[12:13] <ioria> lorenx, probably nemo and nautilus are both running ?
[12:14] <brainwash> lorenx: sounds like bug 1867462
[12:15] <lorenx> ioria, nautilus is not running, i cannot find it with `ps`
[12:16] <ioria> lorenx, something changed lately; on 18.04 you can see nautilus-desktop running all the time, but iirc, not on later releases
[12:17] <ioria> lorenx, but id doeas not mean that it's not running
[12:17] <ioria> lorenx, is nemo-desktop running instead ?
[12:17] <lorenx> ioria, `killall nautilus` does nothing, if that's what you mean
[12:17] <ioria> lorenx, is nemo-desktop running instead ?
[12:17] <brainwash> ...
[12:17] <brainwash> please read the linked report
[12:17] <lorenx> ioria, yes, nemo-desktop is
[12:17] <lorenx> brainwash, i'm readin it yeah, thanks
[12:18] <brainwash> desktop icons are handled by a gnome shell extension now
[12:18] <brainwash> which apparently cannot be disabled
[12:18] <lorenx> brainwash, does this `https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1867462/comments/2` make sense?
[12:19] <brainwash> it looks like an ugly workaround
[12:19] <lorenx> if it works...
[12:19] <brainwash> I haven't tested it
[12:20] <ioria> lorenx, try it
[12:20] <lorenx> i have to log out and log in again, i guess
[12:20] <kapil_> hello i just installed ubuntu 20
[12:20] <kapil_> please tell me how to install gui?
[12:22] <lorenx> ioria brainwash, it seems it worked
[12:22] <brainwash> good
[12:23] <lorenx> i'm not sure what those commands did though
[12:24] <ioria> lorenx, what you ran ?
[12:25] <lorenx> sudo dpkg -r --force-depends gnome-shell-extension-desktop-icons && sudo apt-mark hold gnome-shell-extension-desktop-icons
[12:25] <lorenx> i guess i removed that package without impacting on the system
[12:25] <corshmock> quadrathoch2: I wonder should I create a partition in Fedora first and then try and install Ubuntu on the new partition?
[12:26] <ioria> lorenx,  sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[12:27] <lorenx> ioria, what about it
[12:27] <ioria> lorenx,  to check if the systems is consistent
[12:27] <lorenx> ioria, ;)
[12:28] <kapil_> how to install lxqt?
[12:28] <lorenx> ioria, it's not :D
[12:29] <ioria> lorenx,  not good .... now i notice it's mark as 'Invalid'
[12:29] <lorenx> lol
[12:31] <ioria> lorenx,  paste errors
[12:31] <lorenx> ioria, it just wants to remove so many packages... i reverted those commands
[12:31] <ioria> lorenx,  ok, good
[12:31] <ioria> lorenx,   unhold it
[12:32] <lorenx> i marked it as `auto`
[12:32] <lorenx> https://imgur.com/a/5e9dztZ
[12:32] <corshmock> Has anyone ever installed Ubuntu as a second boot option to Fedora or another Linux distro?
[12:33] <ioria> lorenx,  can you reinstall gnome-shell-extension-desktop-icons ?
[12:34] <lorenx> i did yeah
[12:34] <lorenx> everything is back to the way it was before
[12:34] <lorenx> but i still have duplicated icons
[12:34] <kapil_> `sudo apt install postgresql`
[12:34] <kapil_> i cant install postgresql
[12:35] <ioria> lorenx,  so that report was not the solution .... can you disable that extension ? (i'am stillon 18.04)
[12:35] <kapil_> `E: Unable to locate package postgresql`
[12:36] <lorenx> ioria, i disabled all the gnome extensions
[12:36] <lorenx> https://i.imgur.com/BNrbJnB.png
[12:36] <lorenx> is that what you mean?
[12:37] <kapil_> how to upgrade ubuntu packages list?
[12:37] <lorenx> kapil_, sudo apt update?
[12:37] <kapil_> thanks
[12:38] <ioria> lorenx,  sorry, i'am still thinking that nautilus is  running ....
[12:38] <lorenx> ioria, it's ok lol... have you any suggestion to check it further?
[12:38] <brainwash> ioria: the report actually has the solution
[12:39] <ioria> brainwash, what is ?
[12:39] <brainwash> "The desktop icons are part of the Ubuntu session, that's why it's can't be turned off (same as the dock and appindicator), if you want a session without those you can install gnome-session and log into a GNOME session"
[12:39] <brainwash> answer from a Ubuntu dev
[12:39] <ioria> change de, ok i see thanks brainwash
[12:40] <lorenx> brainwash, this command makes no sense then: `gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.background show-desktop-icons false`
[12:41] <brainwash> it may be simply outdated
[12:42] <lorenx> it's almost 2 years it's outdated, since 19.04, lol
[12:42] <brainwash> who claims that the command should still work?
[12:42] <lorenx> it's in the settings, in dconf
[12:42] <kapil_> how to install packages to latest version?
[12:43] <ioria> lorenx, can you paste a screenshot of the duplicated icons , please ?
[12:44] <lorenx> https://i.imgur.com/9jy8E5C.png
[12:44] <lorenx> first column is from nautilus and i cannot even tap/click/move/delete them
[12:45] <lorenx> second column is nemo'sm and they work fine
[12:45] <lorenx> *nemo's
[12:45] <brainwash> lorenx: maybe it's a leftover
[12:46] <lorenx> maybe someone should remove it lol
[12:46] <lorenx> anyway, do we know who starts nautilus?
[12:47] <ioria> lorenx, anything of interest in : gsettings list-recursively | grep shell.extensions.desktop-icons
[12:47] <brainwash> nautilus?
[12:47] <brainwash> didn't we establish that the desktop icons are rendered by a gnome shell extension?
[12:47] <lorenx> https://i.imgur.com/s3OtX8C.png
[12:48] <lorenx> brainwash, ioria thought the problem was nautilus still running though
[12:49] <brainwash> you removed the extension, did a relog and (duplicated) desktop icons were gone
[12:50] <lorenx> brainwash, yeah, it seems so actually... but i had to restore it... it was just to try another way, i'm stuck here
[12:50] <ioria> lorenx,  can you paste   apt -s remove gnome-shell-extension-desktop-icons
[12:51] <lorenx> https://i.imgur.com/6nN7fi6.png
[12:51] <brainwash> the thing is that desktop icons are mandatory for the Ubuntu session
[12:51] <brainwash> but apparently not for the default GNOME session
[12:52] <lorenx> brainwash, they removed the ability to handle desktop icons but they are mandatory? funny
[12:52] <brainwash> no...
[12:52] <lorenx> maybe i'll try to install gnome-session then
[12:52] <ioria> lorenx,  no, you can't remove it, sy
[12:53] <lorenx> ioria, i saw lol
[12:53] <brainwash> GNOME removed the ability from Nautilus, and it was moved to a gnome shell extension
[12:53] <brainwash> this extension seems to be optional for the GNOME session, but not for Ubuntu session
[12:53] <ioria> lorenx,  well, that's not correct, because it stops you from using  another file-manager
[12:53] <kapil_> hello please suggest good guide to install gui
[12:54] <kapil_> on ubuntu 20
[12:54] <lorenx> brainwash, but it's since 19.04 that we don't have the ability to drag&drop desktop icons anymore
[12:54] <brainwash> how is that of relevance?
[12:55] <brainwash> either use the GNOME session or forcefully remove the gnome-shell-extension-desktop-icons package (or it's installed files)
[12:55] <corshmock> Come on 1267 people in the Ubuntu room, and no one can help me with an Ubuntu dual boot?
[12:55] <lorenx> well, i can't talk for other, but i use drag and drop all the time... and it sucks you cannot anymore, without even a workaround... we are on linux, we should be able to do it
[12:56] <lotuspsychje> corshmock: best to re-ask your issue once in a while, new volunteers join etc
[12:56] <quadrathoch2> corshmock, sorry was afk, it shouldn't matter
[12:56] <ioria> lorenx, i'am sure there's a way to do that ; not handy maybe
[12:56] <kapil_> nobody answers my basic question on this channel
[12:56] <quadrathoch2> as long as you have enough space, ubuntu will shrink the partition
[12:56] <lorenx> ioria, that's what i'm trying to find
[12:56] <corshmock> lotuspsychje: quadrathoch2 thanks guys.
[12:56] <brainwash> lorenx: ah, so you are talking about the desktop icons extension being limited in its functionality
[12:56] <lorenx> brainwash, it it was fully functional, i wouldn't be here lol
[12:57] <cyveris> kapil_: A guide isn't really necessary if you follow the instructions and guidance provided in the installer. Additionally, there's a lot of resources available (tutorials, how to guides, etc.) on the internet.
[12:57] <kapil_> cyveris, oh thanks
[12:57] <brainwash> lorenx: but now you know how to replace the extension with an app that offers full functionality
[12:58] <lorenx> brainwash, do i know? lol
[12:58] <lorenx> i can use nemo yeah... but having duplicated icons on the desktop is not that lovely
[12:58] <brainwash> if you don't, then I have wasted my time
[12:59] <lorenx> brainwash, do you mean gnome-session?
[12:59] <brainwash> >either use the GNOME session or forcefully remove the gnome-shell-extension-desktop-icons package (or it's installed files)
[12:59] <brainwash> alternatively, use MATE, Xfce, or whatever
[12:59] <lorenx> i'm about to try gnome-sessions thanks... but removing gnome-shell-extension-desktop-icons it seems it's not possible
[13:05] <RattleBattle79> The "snapshot before installing app feature" in ZFS made me so...oooh :D
[13:05] <lorenx> gnome-session is gnome3 actually... no unity anymore
[13:07] <kapil_> i do: `sudo tasksel install xubuntu-desktop ` but gui not showing
[13:08] <brainwash> lorenx: ubuntu session is a modified gnome3 session. unity is no more.
[13:08] <kapil_> only blank cursor is showing
[13:08] <lotuspsychje> unity desktop is still installable on the repos
[13:09] <lorenx> brainwash, so there's no way at all to have unity with icons drag&drop...
[13:09] <brainwash> did you install unity?
[13:09] <lotuspsychje> yes
[13:09] <brainwash> lorenx, not you lotuspsychje
[13:10] <kapil_> i followed this guide: https://linuxconfig.org/ubuntu-20-04-gui-installation
[13:10] <brainwash> lorenx: if you want the unsupported unity desktop, then you should install it
[13:10] <lorenx> brainwash, i mean the default ubuntu gui with the dock on the left... i used to call it unity but i'm not sure is that's still the correct name
[13:11] <brainwash> ah okay
[13:11] <lorenx> what's its name?
[13:12] <brainwash> ubuntu dock
[13:12] <lorenx> the name of the desktop environment?
[13:12] <cyveris> Gnome.
[13:13] <lorenx> there are many versions of gnome: gnome2, gnome3, gnome-shell...
[13:13] <brainwash> dash to dock
[13:13] <brainwash> https://micheleg.github.io/dash-to-dock/
[13:13] <cyveris> gnome-shell is not a different version of gnome.
[13:14] <cyveris> gnome3 is the default desktop for Ubuntu's desktop release.
[13:14] <lorenx> they made kinda a mess in the last years about it anyway
[13:15] <quadrathoch2> which mess? i mean the only version that is supported is gnome3
[13:15] <cyveris> Indeed.
[13:16] <lorenx> ubuntu used gnome2, then they introduced unity... then they approached gnome3, then modified versions of gnome... the ubuntu DE history is not that linear
[13:17] <lorenx> anyway, that's out of the topic lol
[13:17] <quadrathoch2> so just because ubuntu used gnome2 in the past they need to still use it nowadays oO
[13:17] <lorenx> quadrathoch2, i'm pretty sure i didn't say so lol
[13:18] <cyveris> Ubuntu uses gnome3, if you want something else, check out one of the supported derivatives. :) And on we go.
[13:18] <quadrathoch2> well because every single time you bring up gnome2 ...
[13:19] <lorenx> cyveris, ubuntu does not use the standard version of gnome3, it's modified (i guess?)
[13:19] <cyveris> While Ubuntu may have added some customizations, it is gnome3.
[13:22] <lorenx> well, it's not possible to drag&drop icons into apps with the ubuntu-modified-gnome3 desktop environment then lol
[13:27] <kapil_> https://gist.github.com/kapilpipaliya/837cb2dbfa105442a54da0989d56fd86
[13:27] <kapil_> hi is ubuntu certificates are expired?
[13:28] <lorenx> kapil_, no cert on localhost, try curl -vk https://localhost:8082
[13:28] <kapil_> lorenx, oh thanks a lot
[13:29] <lorenx> anyway, i guess i found the ugliest workaround ever for the dekstop icons
[13:34] <lorenx> braindead_, ioria, thank you both for your time
[13:34] <ioria> lorenx,  i'll work on it
[13:37] <kapil_> lorenx, can i get common certificates?
[13:37] <lorenx> what do you mean
[13:37] <lorenx> ioria, ;)
[13:38] <ioria> lorenx, as i said i'am sure there's a way to do it
[13:40] <lorenx> ioria, well, it's since 19.04 that it's like that... but i've just found the ugliest workaround ever for now, let's see in the future, thanks ;)
[13:40] <ioria> ok
[13:41] <lorenx> don't upgrade lol
[13:48] <braindead_> i do my part
[13:49] <WanderingWizardP> Am I still able to add "elevator=noop" to my kernel parameters to change my I/O scheduler to it?
[13:50] <WanderingWizardP> I'm on 20.04...
[13:51] <spinningCat> i couldnt install R to ubuntu
[13:51] <wiemk42> Hi, I'm trying to install Ubuntu 20.04 over the network automatically (with Foreman). I have followed https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/netbooting-the-live-server-installer/14510 for this, (except that `/srv/tftp/pxelinux.cfg/default` is created using a Foreman PXELinux template). This works. The focal-live ISO is downloaded over the network in
[13:51] <wiemk42> initramfs, then mounted and started. However, I now have the problem that the new autoinstall config seems to be ignored when the PXE loader specifies `autoinstall ds=nocloud-net;s=<URL-to-user-data-folder>` as kernel parmeter as shown at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/AutomatedServerInstalls/QuickStart point 6. The system starts with the
[13:51] <wiemk42> usual systemd-messages but then `cloud-init: Cloud init v. 20.1-10-g71af48df-0ubuntu5 running 'init-local' at <timestamp>` shows up and execution is held until the network is ready (which I think is because the confguration was not loaded). After a long time the ISO starts again but this time the manual installation overview is shown.Could someone
[13:52] <wiemk42> explain to me how I have to provide the configuration file on a network boot or how I have to specify it as a kernel parameter?
[13:53] <v0lksman> what is the best Ubuntu channel to discuss packages and repos?  Specifically I'm trying to figure out what is checked/matched in order to determine if a new Release file should be grabbed when apt update is run
[13:56] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | v0lksman
[14:05] <v0lksman> If a repo originally shipped an InRelease file and then switched to shipping Release files, is there something that needs to be setup on the repo to point to the updated Release file so clients know to change their cached lists?
[14:12] <WanderingWizardP> Well, I managed to change my scheduler to noop in the scheduler file, so far it has eliminated the small stutters I had from time to time while torrenting (writing to the disk)...
[14:12] <WanderingWizardP> Hopefully it'll last :)
[14:17] <benpicco> Hi, I've just upgraded to Ubuntu 20.04. Now when I try to compile a 32 bit i686 application I always get skipping incompatible /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/9/libgcc.a when searching for -lgcc /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lgcc
[14:18] <benpicco> I've already installed gcc-9-i686-linux-gnu and libgcc-9-dev:i386 but to no avail
[14:18] <benpicco> There also is a /usr/lib/gcc/i686-linux-gnu/9/libgcc.a, but the linker doesn't seem to consider it
[14:20] <bugaloo> hi evernone. So, I'm trying the new Ubuntu 20.04. I noticed I don't have in "Energy" configuration (default gnome), the option to set my laptop power button to Hibernate. I used to do it in previous versions of Ubuntu. I can still hibernate from the Terminal (systemctl hibernate), but does anyone know how to set it to my power button?
[14:34] <dziadu> hi, I updated 18.04 LTS to 20.04 LTS, I removed python2.7, how to set python to run python 3? Is there a proper way to do this beside manual symlinks? I found it to be PITA?
[14:36] <Andrio> dziadu, shell alias?
[14:42] <dziadu> Andrio: really? I want system wide solution.
[14:43] <Andrio> You could try symlinking python to python3, but no guarantee that it won't break anything
[14:44] <ioria> lorenx, well, i'am confused; on my 20.04 (an upgrade from 19.10) nemo  it works without issues; i can remove gnome-shell-extension-desktop-icons without problems , keep gnome-shell as de and  no duplicated icons.
[14:44] <lorenx> ioria, omg, what??? lol
[14:45] <ioria> lorenx, i'am still investigating
[14:45] <dziadu> Andrio: apt install python-is-python3
[14:45] <dziadu> This is correct solution
[14:46] <dziadu> for me
[14:46] <lorenx> you saw my `apt purge gnome-shell-extension-desktop-icons` output right? it would remove both buntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop-minimal
[14:46] <Andrio> Ah~
[14:46] <ioria> lorenx, yep
[14:47] <lorenx> https://i.imgur.com/BeAiXeE.png
[14:47] <lorenx> ioria, can i see yours? screenshot i mean lol
[14:47] <ioria> lorenx, it's on another system
[14:48] <lorenx> oh ok
[14:48] <lorenx> sounds weird though
[14:49] <ioria> lorenx, but the point is that it works also with gnome-shell-extension-desktop-icons installed
[14:49] <lorenx> ioria, can i know the exact list of steps you did please?
[14:50] <lorenx> i run these: https://pastebin.com/raw/tkV53g85
[14:50] <ioria> lorenx, first this : https://sites.google.com/site/installationubuntu/tweaking-ubuntu/change-default-filemanager
[14:50] <lorenx> ioria, check mines please
[14:51] <ioria> lorenx, the same
[14:51] <lorenx> cool lol
[14:52] <lorenx> and you don't see duplicated icons?
[14:52] <ioria> nope lorenx  'xdg-mime query default inode/directory' what returns ?
[14:53] <lorenx> nemo.desktop
[14:53] <lorenx> i actually tried on a 19.10 too, and i got duplicated icons there as well
[14:55] <lorenx> and it's weird that `apt -s remove gnome-shell-extension-desktop-icons` gives you a different output
[14:55] <ioria> lorenx, it just remove the ubuntu-desktop meta-package
[14:55] <ioria> *s
[14:56] <lorenx> but then, `apt autoremove` will remove a lot
[14:57] <ioria> nope
[14:58] <lorenx> https://i.imgur.com/BeAiXeE.png
[14:58] <lorenx> "The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required"
[14:58] <lorenx> i would be curious to see your output...
[14:58] <brimestone> Hey guys. I have a OpenVPN server running on UbuntuServer14 and I think the Self Sign Certificate has expired. Is there a way to renew the certificate and let users use the same keys they have?
[14:58] <wedr> Is Ubuntu 20.04 using Gnome3 or Gnome4?
[14:58] <wedr> Just curious
[14:59] <lorenx> wedr, 3
[14:59] <lorenx> 3.36.1-5ubuntu1
[15:00] <ioria> lorenx, https://termbin.com/1obb
[15:00] <lorenx> i'm speechless :(
[15:01] <ioria> lorenx, as i said, it's not a fresh install (a 19.10 box and i had already tested nemo on it)
[15:01] <lorenx> anyone having ubuntu 20.04 can try this harmless command please: apt -s remove gnome-shell-extension-desktop-icons
[15:02] <quadrathoch2> brimestone, sorry but ubuntu 14.04 is not supported here anymore, as the community support was dropped last year
[15:02] <brimestone> Thanks
[15:03] <quadrathoch2> lorenx, https://pastebin.com/zbqYSXPu
[15:03] <lorenx> quadrathoch2, thanks
[15:03] <lorenx> i'm the only one then lol
[15:03] <ioria> lol
[15:03] <lorenx> quadrathoch2, is that a clean install?
[15:04] <quadrathoch2> lorenx, yes
[15:04] <ioria> brb
[15:04] <deadrom> 20.04 live stuck repating "fsck:md5sums%" - what's that?
[15:04] <lorenx> how the heck is this possible? lol
[15:05] <lotuspsychje> deadrom: thats a bug that should be fixed by now
[15:05] <lotuspsychje> deadrom: did you grab a latest 20.04 iso?
[15:06] <deadrom> lotuspsychje, the latest xubuntu 20.04. I don't know if they are behind
[15:06] <lotuspsychje> deadrom: try to bypass the integrity with ctrl+C
[15:06] <quadrathoch2> lorenx, you realize that these packages should not be removed, as it would remove the gui: ubuntu-desktop ubuntu-desktop-minimal so still not really great for you
[15:07] <lotuspsychje> deadrom: you sure this is not a beta iso you grabbed right?
[15:07] <deadrom> lotuspsychje, no response
[15:07] <lorenx> yeah, that's true as well... but i still wonder why i get a different output
[15:07] <lotuspsychje> deadrom: at a more early stage, when you see the xubuntu logo, press F1 and skip the test at the beginning
[15:08] <deadrom> lotuspsychje, went to xubuntu.org, downloads, downloaded the most prominent one
[15:08] <lotuspsychje> ok
[15:08] <deadrom> lotuspsychje, oh after a minute or so it skipped the test
[15:13] <lotuspsychje> deadrom: ok tnx for the report
[15:16] <v0lksman> when apt update is called and the Release file it is looking for is returned as a 200 response but empty does apt assume that the file is under maintenance or that the error is temporary and just hold on to the existing cached list it has for that repo?
[15:17] <lotuspsychje> plz no crosspost v0lksman
[15:19] <v0lksman> which channel is better?
[15:19] <cyveris> The channel that partains to the distro you're asking about.
[15:19] <v0lksman> both do
[15:23] <apoc> strange, I need to do -d in do release upgrade to get focal from eoan?
[15:24] <v0lksman> is this more of a Debian question than an Ubuntu question?
[15:29] <hussam> Hello. I am trying to register to launchpad but I am having issues authenticating. Is there a specific channel for help or a support personnel email I can use?
[15:29] <quadrathoch2> apoc, the upgrade is still withheld so more bugs can be fixed before the big mass gets the upgrade
[15:32] <apoc> ahh okay thank you
[15:32] <thongpv871> Does ubuntu 20.04 enable this by default? https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/prime-and-prime-synchronization/44423
[15:33] <lorenx> thongpv871, not by default i guess, but you can install proprietary drivers pretty easily
[15:34] <thongpv871> I installed the proprietary driver, but I don't know whether PRIME sync is enabled or not
[15:37] <ioria> lorenx, i'am on 20.04 , if you want to ask me something ... (with nemo enabled)
[15:37] <lorenx> ioria, i don't know where to start lol
[15:38] <lorenx> btw, quadrathoch2 made us notice that it's not that safe to remove the ubuntu-desktop metapackage, cause it will remove the gui
[15:38] <ioria> lorenx, nope, i removed them
[15:39] <ioria> still here :)
[15:39] <lorenx> intersting
[15:39] <ioria> lorenx, meta-packages are just indexes
[15:39] <lorenx> but i still wonder why i get a different output if i try to remove gnome-shell-extension-desktop-icons
[15:39] <ioria> yes, that's the question
[15:40] <ioria> lorenx, but (as i said before) it works also without removing them
[15:41] <lorenx> that's the other question then
[15:41] <lorenx> lol
[15:41] <lorenx> why do i get duplicated icons?
[15:41] <lorenx> i'm not the only one though, i found people on the web complaining about it
[15:41] <ioria> yeah
[15:42] <ioria> lorenx, ps -A | grep nemo
[15:42] <lorenx> nemo-desktop
[15:43] <ioria> lorenx, ls /usr/share/applications | grep -i naut
[15:43] <lorenx> nautilus-autorun-software.desktop org.gnome.Nautilus.desktop
[15:43] <lorenx> lol
[15:43] <definity> Hi, I am trying to make a bash script that checks the output of my program, the only problem is that the program runs on a continous loop so I cant wait untill it finishes running untill i get the output. Is there a way in which I can get the ouput of a program that is currently running?
[15:45] <lorenx> ioria, https://pastebin.com/6hwr7GmN
[15:45] <lorenx> ioria, sorry, this one: https://pastebin.com/9KXBV9Q4
[15:45] <ioria> lorenx, i got the same
[15:46] <lorenx> so your nautilus runs as well
[15:48] <ioria> lorenx, it does not show in ps (i'd say nope, it's not running afaict)
[15:48] <lorenx> neither mine shows in ps
[15:49] <kyle__> definity: If you redirect the output to a file, your script can read that file while it's being written.
[15:49] <definity> kyle__: Ahh good idea. Thanks :)
[15:50] <ioria> lorenx, cat /var/log/syslog | grep -i naut    (but check the timestamp)
[15:52] <lorenx> i have this "Successfully activated service 'org.gnome.Nautilus" but i reboot after that
[15:52] <rapha> hi
[15:52] <lorenx> ioria, i try another reboot and check again
[15:53] <rapha> in order to update an old disco to its latest packages before trying to upgrade it, are there still repositories for it available?
[15:58] <rapha> oh, nvm, just s/archive/old-releases/g; thx!
[16:02] <v0lksman> anyone know a channel with folks that would know the inner workings of apt?  I know what I'm asking isn't "normal" support issue.  I'm trying to troubleshoot a repository
[16:20] <cgi> on ubuntu, how do i record whatever is being played on the speakers as a mp3 file on the disk?
[16:24] <madumo> Hi, i was wondering if anybody started having issues with the canadian multilingual keyboard layout in the last version of Ubuntu 20.04. It worked fine, but since the latest update i made, the letters "ù" and "/" switched places on my keyboard. Also, some other alt+key doesn't output the correct char anymore. I tried to reinstall xkb-data with no
[16:24] <madumo> success. I tried to change the keyboard layout in the settings and change it back to canadian multilingual and it still does not work. Does someone has any idea of what i could do to fix this issue?
[16:25] <lorenx> ioria, back, any news? lol
[16:31] <ioria> lorenx, cat /var/log/installer/media-info
[16:31] <lorenx> Ubuntu 20.04 LTS "Focal Fossa" - Release amd64 (20200423)
[16:34] <ioria> lorenx, run  'gnome-session-properties' and report what applications are set in there
[16:36] <lorenx> https://i.imgur.com/jGo7tkn.png
[16:38] <pa> hi
[16:38] <pa> how can i stop snapd?
[16:38] <pa> would kill work?
[16:39] <ioria> lorenx, click on nemo -> edit and check how Command is set
[16:39] <khushil> pa: systemctl stop snapd && systemctl disable snapd
[16:40] <lotuspsychje> pa: keep in mind some programs rely on snapd
[16:41] <pa> yeah, thanks
[16:41] <pa> just trying to build something, it's eating all the ram
[16:42] <lotuspsychje> sidenote, for those who run 20.04 there is stacer now, can also easy manage systemd dervices a GUI way
[16:42] <lotuspsychje> *services
[16:44] <lorenx> ioria, it's still `nemo-desktop` lol
[16:45] <lorenx> i told you, i run these steps: https://pastebin.com/raw/tkV53g85
[16:45] <lorenx> it's a mystery
[16:46] <ioria> lorenx, you mean  '/usr/bin/nemo-desktop' ?
[16:47] <lorenx> yes, that's the only executable in the PATH
[16:47] <lorenx> with that name, i mean lol
[16:47] <Joel> running ubuntu 20, kde/plasma, when I use the gui network thing, I can connect to a vpn just fine, but it's offering me no option to save credentials, any idea what package I'm missing?
[16:47] <ioria> lorenx, ls /etc/xdg/autostart | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:48] <lorenx> https://termbin.com/hubm0
[16:49] <d1g1ta1> Need help connecting bluetooth from command line.  It works from GUI, but want to connect using a cron script in Ubuntu 16.  Running bluetoothctl trust <hex device id>  bluetoothctl connect <hex device id> worked at one time but no longer works.
[16:50] <CrazySam> Unable to install "GStreamer Multimedia Codecs" as download failed
[16:51] <CrazySam> E: http://se.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu cosmic/universe amd64 bla bla bla 404 Not Found
[16:52] <CrazySam> Is it common to run into these errors on outdated Ubuntu releases?
[16:52] <CrazySam> I seem to run into this problem often.
[16:52] <thongpv871> Seem like my laptop can not detect nvidia HDMI audio after switch graphics mode. Does anyone has the same problem?
[16:52] <CrazySam> What does Ubuntu do with old repositories?
[16:53] <lorenx> ioria, i found the culprit of the apt romove thing
[16:53] <ikonia> CrazySam: it removes them from active mirrors and puts them in the archive
[16:53] <CrazySam> And the result is a whole bunch of 404?
[16:53] <ioria> lorenx, what ?
[16:54] <lorenx> cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99no-recommends  ->  APT::Install-Recommends "false";
[16:54] <lorenx> i don't know why though
[16:54] <CrazySam> So unless you upgrade immediately to the next big release, you are out of luck upgrading it?
[16:55] <ikonia> no
[16:55] <ikonia> just when it goes EOL
[16:55] <lorenx> ioria, now i have this: https://i.imgur.com/12NOxLG.png
[16:56] <lorenx> should i proceed? lol
[16:56] <ioria> lorenx, that's right ;  that file 99no-recommends is not default afaik
[16:56] <CrazySam> So what happens if I failed to upgrade soon enough? I am left in limbo?
[16:57] <ioria> lorenx, nope, it should work also with those pkgs installed
[16:57] <ikonia> you need to do a manual upgrade - or install a supported version
[16:57] <lorenx> no it's not... but it should be to install less packages, not to remove more packages... afaik
[16:59] <ioria> lorenx, i advice against that method especially because you forget to have set it
[16:59] <oerheks> CrazySam, you already are, prepare a fresh usb with iso and follow the eolupgrade instructions
[16:59] <oerheks> grinn, cosmic
[16:59] <lorenx> ioria, yeah, i removed it ;)
[17:00] <ioria> lorenx, if you right click on desktop -> create new folder   what happens ?
[17:01] <lorenx> it creates a folder prompting me to rename it
[17:01] <ioria> lorenx, ok .... is it duplicated ?
[17:01] <lorenx> but i guess it just works as a proper nemo desktop now, i just see duplicated icons that i cannot interact with
[17:02] <ioria> lorenx, ok .... is it duplicated ?
[17:02] <lorenx> it's weird, the refresh is not always in real time
[17:02] <lorenx> wait, i log out and in back
[17:03] <CrazySam> oerheks: ok, so this is normal. I was just making sure.
[17:05] <lorenx> ioria, duplicated ;)
[17:05] <lorenx> i'm trying to record a video of my desktop
[17:06] <ioria> wow
[17:06] <ioria> lorenx, yes, tahnks
[17:06] <ioria> *thanks
[17:07] <philipp64> hi. upgraded to 18.04 LTS from 16.04 LTS, and now my /etc/resolv.conf doesn’t have a “search” line any more… how do I force that? I’m using DHCP.
[17:07] <ioria> philipp64, ls -al /etc/resolv.conf
[17:09] <philipp64> yeah, saw the comment, just wondering why it used to work and now it doesn’t… and why the Principle of Least Astonishment was violated.
[17:09] <kaleido> isnt this controlled by netplan in 18.04?
[17:10] <kaleido>  /etc/netplan/01-netcfg.yaml ?
[17:10] <ioria> philipp64, not if you upgrade from xenial ; it should preserver the old settings
[17:10] <philipp64> I’d have thought that the dhclient script would take the domain and squirt it into the resolver conf….
[17:10] <lorenx> ioria, where can i post it, it's 3MB
[17:11] <ioria> lorenx, imgur
[17:15] <lorenx> ioria, https://i.imgur.com/jt4vq4W.mp4
[17:16] <lorenx> cute, right? lol
[17:16] <ioria> yes
[17:18] <jeremyxwing> Hey all, any ack users here? I'm trying to find the arguments to only show file name and line numbers (and not search occurrences). Anyone ever been able to do that?
[17:19] <ioria> lorenx, and in gnome-tweaks you don't have (on the left  side) a 'Desktop' section , right ?
[17:44] <Deano59> Hi! when I was installing ubuntu about an hour ago, I went through the install and I mounted / for my SSD but I have a 500GB HDD that I mounted as /mnt/500GB/ and a 2TB external drive that I mounter under: /mnt/2TB/ but when I open thunar or pcmanfm, I can't see the mounted drives, did I do something wrong?
[17:45] <Deano59> no file manager will see it. but if I browse to / and go to /mnt/ I see the 500GB/2TB drives mounted and I can browse them.
[17:45] <Gosset> Hello. I have a desktop PC with an ATI Radeon HD 5450 (AMD) Graphic Card. I've tried to install the proprietary drivers on Ubuntu 20.04, but I see the last compatible drivers are for version 14.04. So here is my question: must I install Ubuntu 14.04 in order to run Ubuntu on my old PC or are there any alternative? I've read something about OpenGL and AMDGPU, but I'm not able to fully understand how it works... Thanks in advance...
[17:46] <Deano59> is this intended?
[17:47] <zutat> Deano59: seems like you want the file manager to handle the mounts. simply remove the manual mount entries and the drives will be visible in the file manager
[17:49] <freevheel> hello, new here. Are instructions for mac bootable usb listed here: https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/tutorial-create-a-usb-stick-on-macos#1-overview. Accurate?
[17:49] <Deano59> zutat, I checked my fstab and it's fine. not sure what's causing it.
[17:50] <lotuspsychje> !usb | freevheel
[17:52] <quadrathoch2> Gosset, for that card, you don't need to install anything. the driver is in the kernel backed in
[17:53] <Gosset> I didn't find it quadrathoch2
[17:53] <Gosset> maybe the problem is on the TV monitor
[17:54] <Gosset> LG 28MT49S-PZ 28
[17:54] <quadrathoch2> Gosset, why do you want to install a driver?
[17:54] <Gosset> I connect the PC to the monitor via HDMI
[17:55] <Gosset> because the resolution is so low
[17:55] <quadrathoch2> Gosset, you should be able to change it in system settings
[17:56] <Gosset> I mean, I'm able to enable 1920 × 1080, but the screen is blurry
[17:56] <Gosset> yes yes, I can change the resolution
[17:57] <Gosset> but it's blurry when I set the maximum resolution
[17:58] <quadrathoch2> Gosset, what is the resolution of the monitor?
[17:58] <quadrathoch2> native*
[17:58] <Gosset> 1920 × 1080
[17:58] <Gosset> it's full hd
[17:58] <Gosset> it's an intelligent full hd TV
[17:59] <quadrathoch2> hm, was it also on an older ubuntu? or is it new for 20.04?
[18:00] <Gosset> I had no problem with a previous LG Monitor
[18:00] <Gosset> the problem is for 18:08 and 20.04
[18:00] <Gosset> *18.04
[18:00] <lotuspsychje> Gosset: share your dmesg please
[18:01] <Gosset> I have no access now, it's in my village town
[18:01] <Gosset> sorry my english
[18:02] <Gosset> it's 5 km away xD tomorrow i'm going to the house and install ubuntu 14.04.. maybe
[18:02] <Gosset> I'm downloading it already
[18:02] <lotuspsychje> Gosset: 14.04 is eol
[18:03] <quadrathoch2> 14.04 is not supported anymore
[18:03] <Gosset> I know, but if it's just a PC for browsing email ..
[18:03] <Gosset> and if I have no other options..
[18:03] <lotuspsychje> Gosset: install 16.04 for a bit
[18:03] <Gosset> I've tried everything today
[18:04] <Gosset> look at: https://www.amd.com/en/support/graphics/amd-radeon-hd/ati-radeon-hd-5000-series/ati-radeon-hd-5450
[18:04] <lotuspsychje> Gosset: and i bet your system can handle 18.04 lubuntu too
[18:04] <Gosset> support until MD Catalyst™ 15.9 Proprietary Ubuntu 14.04 x86_64 Video Driver for Graphics Accelerators
[18:05] <Gosset> 14.10 onwaragas onward, no support
[18:05] <lotuspsychje> Gosset: did you try a lubuntu?
[18:06] <Gosset> I tried Ubuntu Mate
[18:06] <Gosset> with the same luck
[18:06] <Gosset> thank you anyway
[18:06] <lotuspsychje> Gosset: wich version of mate?
[18:06] <Gosset> I think I can handle with UB 14
[18:06] <Gosset> versions 18 and 20
[18:06] <lotuspsychje> Gosset: try lubuntu 16.04 and 18.04
[18:07] <Gosset> it's just for ocasional sessions this PC
[18:07] <lotuspsychje> browsing the web on an eol version is not good Gosset
[18:08] <Gosset> I bet it's riskier browsing the web on Windows 10
[18:08] <lorenx> ioria, saw the video?
[18:08] <Gosset> I worked on Ubuntu 12.04 since 2019 without a problem
[18:09] <Gosset> well, yes, Firefox
[18:09] <Gosset> Firefox support
[18:09] <Gosset> the only problem with UB 12
[18:09] <Gosset> :-(
[18:09] <ahmedamerican> Hello, am using Ubuntu Server 20.04, how to allow SSH into the server while it's connected to OpenVPN ?
[18:13] <ubunutun> Hi
[18:13] <ubunutun> 5.4.35 amd64 build failed https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v5.4.35/
[18:21] <ahmedamerican> Hello, am using Ubuntu Server 20.04, how to allow SSH into the server while it's connected to OpenVPN ?
[18:21] <CrazySam> How do you stop windows in Gnome from following you around as you move the dialog boxes?
[18:21] <quadrathoch2> CrazySam, do you have gnome tweaks installed?
[18:21] <Gosset> thanks for your responses, good bye
[18:21] <CrazySam> quadrathoch2: no
[18:23] <quadrathoch2> in there you can change it, in the windows category, called atach modal dialogs
[18:24] <CrazySam> quadrathoch2: no chance of doing it without this tool?
[18:25] <Joel> ubuntu 20 lts, kde/plasma, I have a VPN connection that works great, but the gui provides no method to save username/password, am I missing a package that enables this behavior? I see a checkbox in various screenshots.
[18:26] <quadrathoch2> CrazySam, there is theoretically dconf-editor, but that is way harder
[18:28] <lorenx> CrazySam: gsettings set org.gnome.mutter attach-modal-dialogs false
[18:29] <CrazySam> quadrathoch2: ok, I will have a look at gnome tweaks then. I prefer easier.
[18:29] <CrazySam> lorenx: no such key
[18:29] <quadrathoch2> CrazySam, just type the command in what lorenx wrote
[18:29] <quadrathoch2> weird it should be there
[18:29] <quadrathoch2> just tested it
[18:30] <lorenx> me too tested and applied cause it was super annoying
[18:30] <lorenx> there's this too actually: gsettings set org.gnome.shell.overrides attach-modal-dialogs false
[18:30] <lorenx> but it seems the other worked already
[18:31] <lorenx> CrazySam, what's the output of: gsettings list-recursively | grep attach
[18:33] <CrazySam> lorenx: org.gnome.shell.overrides attach-modal-dialogs true
[18:33] <lorenx> what version of ubuntu are you using?
[18:33] <CrazySam> lorenx: org.gnome.mutter attach-modal-dialogs true
[18:33] <lorenx> that's it
[18:33] <lorenx> are you sureyou typed the command correctly?
[18:34] <lorenx> the key is there
[18:34] <CrazySam> Sorry! My bad.
[18:34] <CrazySam> s/dialog/dialogs
[18:34] <lorenx> good it worked ;)
[18:34] <CrazySam> And it worked, yes. Thanks!
[18:41] <GWM> So am I taking crazy pills here or shouldn't this work?; smbclient -L -U DOMAIN\\USER \\\\HOSTNAME I get the error DOMAIN\USER: Not enough '\' characters in service
[18:41] <GWM> smbclient -V
[18:41] <GWM> Version 4.3.11-Ubuntu
[18:41] <GWM> I mean I am escaping all of the backslashes no?
[18:42] <GWM> Google tells me I'm using the right syntax
[18:45] <GWM> Share works fine I mount it via fstab, the hostname can resolve
[18:46] <tomreyn> what's in fstab then?
[18:46] <metalgear> hello
[18:46] <metalgear> can i please get help? i have problem with wi-fi on linux mint 18, laptop is lenovo g510 network card is qualcomm atheros qca8172 fast ethernetinxi -Nn shows state: down]
[18:47] <metalgear> iwconfig shows no wireless extensions to all interfaces
[18:47] <tomreyn> !mint | metalgear
[18:48] <GWM> I have a bunch of variants but this one works fine; //HOSTNAME/  /media/smbshare-HOST/  cifs  username=*,password=*,uid=1000,iocharset=utf8,users  0  0
[18:49] <Mordoc> metalgear: The gang over linuxmint-help are quite good and Hexchat in Mint will connect there by default.
[18:49] <GWM> and no, adding two trailing backslashes doesn't do the trick :(
[18:50] <metalgear> how am i gonna aske them if i have no internet on linux mint with hexchat
[18:51] <tomreyn> GWM: smb version issues maybe?
[18:51] <GWM> Hmmm there was a newer smbclient package available, haven't updated this laptp for a while, gonna reboot and try that
[18:51] <GWM> tomreyn, smbclient does smb3 w/o issues AFAIK?
[18:51] <GWM> SMB2 is enabled too, but time2reboot
[18:51] <tomreyn> i dont really know
[18:51] <FrankyGov> Evening heroes
[18:53] <GWM> Let's try again
[18:53] <leftyfb> metalgear: type: /join #linuxmint-help  and ask for help there
[18:54] <GWM> Nope, still rip
[18:54] <metalgear> channel closed
[18:54] <ioria> lorenx, yes, i saw the video; at this point i suggest to remove nemo; reverse the settings (Nautilus as default) ; reboot and start over
[18:54] <leftyfb> metalgear: OK, read the rest of the message you got
[18:55] <lorenx> ioria, i did it many times already lol
[18:55] <lorenx> ioria, maybe i'll try again with a fresh install
[18:55] <ioria> lorenx, and do you have duplicate folders when nautilus is in use ?
[18:55] <GWM> using -W instead of DOMAIN\\USER didn't help either
[18:56] <grawity> the -L option actually takes the server name as a parameter
[18:56] <CrazySam> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[18:56] <CrazySam> Is this page up to date?
[18:56] <grawity> so right now you're specifying "-U" as the server name and "DOMAIN\\USER" as the share to connect to
[18:56] <ioria> CrazySam, last edited 2018-05-30 21:34:20
[18:56] <rehan> hi
[18:57] <CrazySam> ioria: is it good for 18.10 then? Looking to upgrade.
[18:57] <GWM> Well, removing -L didn't really help and I'm going through the book "How Linux Works What Every Superuser Should Know 2nd Edition", not saying the book is wrong
[18:58] <GWM> isn't wrong*
[18:58] <ioria> CrazySam, try it ; but there are '2' EOL releases in the middle ; it might not work
[19:03] <FrankyGov> I am using ls -l to gather information about a file which is located under /usr/bin/
[19:03] <FrankyGov> and I get as result a link to this folder one level above
[19:03] <FrankyGov> /usr/bin/gns3 -> ../share/gns3/gns3-gui/bin/gns3
[19:04] <CrazySam> What am I supposed to do with sources.list ?
[19:05] <CrazySam> "To begin the upgrade, make sure you have a sources.list like the following, with CODENAME being your release, e.g. quantal."
[19:05] <CrazySam> deb http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ CODENAME main restricted universe multiverse
[19:05] <Assid> heya..
[19:06] <GWM> @grawity, You were right in the end, had some other issues
[19:06] <GWM> Guess you can
[19:06] <CrazySam> I don't have a line like that. Should I put it in?
[19:06] <GWM> can't trust all books fully, learn something by fixing it
[19:07] <tomreyn> CrazySam: you should edit all those existing *archive.ubuntu.com URLs to point to old.releases.ubuntu.com instead
[19:08] <tomreyn> CrazySam: CODENAME should already be there. the correct CODENAME can be queried using    lsb_release -cs
[19:08] <GWM> How smbclient supports smb v1 and doesn't auto-negotiate away from it if possible boggles the mind but ok it's working
[19:09] <tomreyn> next protocol version support usually requires upgrade support within the prrotocol itself.
[19:10] <Assid> anyone managed to get iptables with geoip workng ?
[19:10] <tomreyn> i bet SMBv1 didnt have that
[19:10] <lorenx> ioria: no, when only nautilus is in use, no duplication
[19:10] <GWM> True, but it could retry on smbv2/3 as a client
[19:10] <grawity> tomreyn: it did – there are like 6-7 different dialects collectively known as "SMBv1"
[19:10] <Assid> xt_geoip_build seems to be outdated
[19:10] <GWM> it isn't like SMB isn't a known fickle beast
[19:10] <GWM> python -m SimpleHTTPServer is awesome though
[19:11] <grawity> and it does simply include "SMB2.000" or something such as a supported dialect name
[19:11] <GWM> books are great
[19:11] <CrazySam> How do I edit? Nano?
[19:11] <CrazySam> There are so many lines.
[19:11] <tomreyn> CrazySam: whichever text editor works for you
[19:12] <tomreyn> you only need to take care of the lines which *don't* start with a #
[19:12] <tomreyn> grawity: i'm impressed that anyone knows so much about smb here. ;-)
[19:12] <ioria> lorenx,  remove any trace of nemo (purge and remove .config/autostart/nemo.desktop (or  such) )
[19:12] <ioria> CrazySam, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rgfdJDvCbB/
[19:14] <bittyx> Hi! I want to install 20.04 on my laptop which is currently running 16.04, and I favor an "install from scratch" approach. I've always set up a separate partition for the "/home" mount point in the hopes of not having to format it when reinstalling, and understand it can work in theory, however, that would still probably leave a bunch of old useless stuff in places like `~/.config`, `~/.local`, etc. So normally I'd just backup what I need elsewhere,
[19:14] <bittyx> format everything and install, and then copy stuff back. Is there a good reliable way to avoid that though?
[19:14] <lorenx> ioria, i guess it's enough for today, i'll try with a clean install ine of these days... and i'll let you know ;)
[19:14] <lorenx> thank you all for today
[19:15] <ioria> lorenx,  ok
[19:17] <bittyx> Would it be possible during installation to keep my home partition, however (assuming the same username), move the current /home/username to a subfolder of the new /home/username (e.g. /home/username/old-home) - hope that's not too confusing. My goal would be that on the new system, /home/username/.config only has the stuff from the fresh install, and my old configurations are in e.g. /home/username/old-home/.config - so I can manually move back
[19:17] <bittyx> whatever I might need, and then just delete /home/user/old-home afterwards.
[19:17] <CrazySam> ioria: thanks! I'm downloading some packages now. I can ignore the warning about disabled repositories?
[19:18] <ioria> CrazySam, ppain use ?
[19:18] <bittyx> Actually my primary goal is just to avoid having to manually backup stuff elsewhere during the reinstall.
[19:23] <CrazySam> ioria: I don't know what that is. So I guess no?
[19:23] <GWM> Has Canonial expressed any comments on /usr merge?
[19:23] <ioria> CrazySam, can you paste those 'disabled repositories' thing ?
[19:24] <quadrathoch2> bittyx, yes. but you would need to take the manual partition part into account. mount /home on the live usb, rename your old username folder and then in the partition part tell the partitioner that you want that as /home without formating
[19:26] <vitalio> bittyx: experince tells that anyway you'll end up doing backup so you can reformat home anyway if it's your personal PC
[19:27] <vitalio> bittyx: perso I tried this from 19.10 to 20.04 worked, but gnome-shell crashed after install so reinstalled everything anyway
[19:28] <shutupfry> hello, I'm having trouble with nfs docker volumes not connecting at boot. /var/log/syslog shows "network is unreachable" for the docker containers with nfs volumes. I've checked the docker.service file and it already contains an after for network-online.target firewalld.service containerd.service. If I ssh in and restart the containers, everything
[19:28] <shutupfry> comes up fine. Any suggestions?
[19:28] <quadrathoch2> how does your fstab look like shutupfry
[19:29] <tomreyn> shutupfry: and which ubuntu version are you running there?
[19:29] <CrazySam> ioria: https://dpaste.org/rdnC/raw
[19:30] <shutupfry> ubuntu 18.04 on a Pi4. They are docker nfs volumes, not fstab entries
[19:30] <ioria> CrazySam, no man, you have to replace it not to append
[19:30] <tomreyn> bittyx: note that you wouldn't benefit from (potential, haven't checked) file system formatting or mounting options in case things changed since then.
[19:31] <ioria> CrazySam, backup you actual sources.list and repalce with what i pasted
[19:31] <CrazySam> OK
[19:33] <oerheks> terrible, from Cosmic EOL to Disco EOL ..
[19:34] <fub> Im running ubuntu 19.10 on a thinkpad x1. I just connected airpods2 via bluetooth (via a2dp). The sound volume is very low, is there anything I can do to increase it?
[19:35] <deadrom> hi
[19:35] <bittyx> Thanks all, yeah it's a personal laptop, and since I'll backup just in case, and in all likelihood will need to either reformat or spend a bunch of time fiddling with everything, I'll just do it immediately and save some time.
[19:35] <luna_> hey
[19:35] <ioria> he wants eoan , but it wont work (probably) unless  MetaRelease.py would be changed oerheks
[19:35] <deadrom> stock 18.04 install, monitor is too slow to display POST and grub, how I can I make 18.04 stop at grub?
[19:37] <oerheks> deadrom, see the grub manual
[19:37] <oerheks> !grub
[19:38] <bittyx> Second question, my laptop is a ThinkPad P50 with an Intel 8260 network card. I have two separate wireless networks at home, and both work fine with 16.04. However with a 20.04 Live USB, I can connect to one just fine, but can't connect to the other one - I always get a "bad password" error prompting me to retype the password, which is definitely correct (I've checked using a different device). Seems similar to several unanswered Ask Ubuntu
[19:38] <bittyx> questions, e.g. https://askubuntu.com/questions/1230922/ubuntu-20-04-lts-intel-7260-wireless-wont-connect-to-wifi-network - does anyone have an idea what could be the issue?
[19:40] <bittyx> Both routers' encryptions are configured as "WPA & WPA2 Personal", and it's the same for both SSIDs on the laptop - but for some reason one is unable to authenticate.
[19:41] <CrazySam> ioria: I only have your 4 lines now, and I made a backup.
[19:41] <ioria> CrazySam, sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[19:42] <shutupfry> tomreyn and quadrathoch2 any suggestions?
[19:43] <CrazySam> https://dpaste.org/RoXO/raw
[19:43] <quadrathoch2> shutupfry, so you have the nfs share on the host?
[19:43] <CrazySam> I tried these also: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades#SpecificOlder
[19:43] <CrazySam> sudo apt-get update
[19:43] <quadrathoch2> as far as I understand you
[19:43] <CrazySam> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:43] <CrazySam> sudo do-release-upgrade
[19:43] <CrazySam> "An upgrade from 'cosmic' to 'eoan' is not supported with this tool."
[19:44] <deadrom> does changing GRUB_TIMEOUT in etc defaults grub require update-grub?
[19:44] <shutupfry> quadrathoch2, the nfs share is on another system on the network that has remained up through all my testing
[19:44] <ioria> CrazySam, as i said ; 2 reol releases in the middle ; are you sure you don't want a fresh install ?
[19:44] <oerheks> deadrom, yes
[19:44] <quadrathoch2> still asking, if you mount the share on the host or the docker container?
[19:45] <shutupfry> the nfs mounts are all docker volumes
[19:45] <shutupfry> not host mounts
[19:45] <CrazySam> ioria: I didn't get that. What do you mean? Is it not possible to upgrade?
[19:46] <ioria> CrazySam, all is possible; do you understand my question ?
[19:46] <genii> CrazySam: The version Cosmic upgraded to originally was Disco, but that is End Of Life too
[19:46] <quadrathoch2> shutupfry, just guessing, but shouldn't that be a docker issue?
[19:46] <quadrathoch2> as I am dabbling right now in the dark
[19:47] <shutupfry> not when the issue is dockerd is starting before the network is ready at boot
[19:47] <quadrathoch2> oh you are correct
[19:47] <genii> CrazySam: So the next non-EOL it sees is Eoan but it canoot upgrade to it
[19:48] <shutupfry> as far as I can tell systemd after declarations just don't work
[19:48] <ioria> CrazySam, if you want to jump to 19.10 (clearly not advisable) you have to modify a system file (/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/UpdateManager/Core/MetaRelease.py )
[19:49] <quadrathoch2> shutupfry, could you post the service file?
[19:49] <ioria> CrazySam, or , even worse, edit sources.list pointing to 19.10
[19:50] <texla> When will Ubuntu 20.4 be available for download in softwares & updates
[19:51] <shutupfry> what's the best way to post the text?
[19:51] <quadrathoch2> pastebin.com shutupfry
[19:52] <shutupfry> https://pastebin.com/3gyxC6px
[19:53] <gildarts_> Anyone aware of an issue with certbot/certbot-nginx on 20.04? Getting an error when trying to add a new domain, was working before the update.
[19:54] <lenny_lemon> i'm trying to find some help regarding internet from 3G SIM on lenovo thinkpad. I know this is ubuntu but any help with what channel I should search for? lenovo and thinkpad channels are quiet with few members there... any other channel or alternative help?
[19:54] <shutupfry> sorry, I got disconnected right after I posted the link
[19:56] <quadrathoch2> np, so i assume you didn't change anything in the file. so did you install docker through the repo or through the official one?
[19:56] <quadrathoch2> because i installed docker through the normal repo and everything is working on a pi3
[19:56] <shutupfry> no changes to the file, it's whatever came with docker.io? I didn't add any external repos. It's from the ubuntu repo
[19:57] <quadrathoch2> kk so the ubuntu repo :)
[19:57] <quadrathoch2> weird
[19:58] <shutupfry> yes. for what it's worth I can't get an fstab nfs share to mount at boot either no matter what I try
[19:58] <quadrathoch2> the only thing that you should maybe add to the service is that nfs should be up before starting docker? shutupfry
[19:58] <quadrathoch2> i can't remember how it worked in ubuntu, but in debian you need to change the /etc/network/interfaces file
[20:00] <quadrathoch2> shutupfry, sadly ubuntu handles network differently ( in debian, debian assumes that the networkcard is hotpluggable, which interferes with _netdev)
[20:05] <shutupfry> boot took much longer, still no luck
[20:06] <quadrathoch2> shutupfry, what did you change that it took now longer?
[20:08] <shutupfry> systemctl edit docker.service and add After=nfs-client.target
[20:09] <Technique> whats everyones favorite music player in ubuntu?
[20:09] <quadrathoch2> weird, because it should work :/ except the same issue as debian, being the network cards hotpluggable
[20:09] <quadrathoch2> Technique, rhythmbox
[20:10] <Technique> Thank You
[20:10] <shutupfry> it's been extremely frustrating
[20:10] <leftyfb> !details | gildarts_
[20:10] <shutupfry> lots of reading 'should works' that just do nothing
[20:12] <quadrathoch2> shutupfry, let me just test something
[20:14] <texla> !upgrade 20.4
[20:16] <texla> How to upgrade to 20.4
[20:16] <sarnold> texla: do-release-upgrade -d   should get you started
[20:16] <genii> texla: LTS to LTS upgrade is not offered until after point release ( so, after 20.04.1 comes, maybe July)
[20:16] <Bashing-om> !ltsupgrade | texla
[20:18] <oerheks> wait for the official upgrade path
[20:19] <texla> Thanks for the info everyone who helped
[20:23] <quadrathoch2> shutupfry, just to update you, fired up a vm to test it out ;)
[20:23] <shutupfry> sorry, computer went to sleep again
[20:23] <quadrathoch2> np shutupfry
[20:26] <nichlas> can someone tip me on what I need to install on Ubuntu 20.04 to browse SMB shares. The file manager simply displays "Failed to get share list: Software caused connection to abort" when I try to access a share using the "Connect to Server" field.
[20:30] <Deano59> before I disconnect! my ethernet connection keeps going down. what can I do to diagnose it?
[20:30] <Deano59> I can ping the IP of my android phone.
[20:33] <quadrathoch2> shutupfry, so I just tested it out on the vm and it is working fine, without issues :/
[20:33] <shutupfry> ug. ok thanks
[20:33] <shutupfry> maybe there's something odd about the Pi?
[20:33] <quadrathoch2> even when I mount the nfs share on the host
[20:34] <quadrathoch2> honestly with something this basic, (as in starting at boottime) i don't think so
[20:34] <shutupfry> not like wrong with it, just different from a pi vs a full pc
[20:34] <shutupfry> well, thanks
[20:42] <nagyg> re
[20:43] <johnjay> any way to force ubuntu to default to my tv for sound?
[20:44] <johnjay> it was tolerable on 18.04 but now it seems to be actively switching my audio to line in or something
[20:49] <johnjay> ok there's a line in /etc/pulse/default.pa about switch-on-connect. disabling that might work
[20:53] <nagyg> does anyone have a working global protect vpn solution for Ubuntu (20.04)?
[20:54] <nagyg> it seems that GP supports only 18.04
[20:54] <nagyg> they have a GUI that will not start / display in 20.04
[20:56] <tomreyn> this sounds like proprietary third party software - talk to those where you got it from
[20:58] <nagyg> tomreyn - good idea,  if only they could help :)
[20:58] <oerheks> 20.04 .. vpn .. wireguard?
[20:58] <kostkon> nagyg, simplest thing you could try is to run it from the terminal, see if you'll get any error messages, inform the provider of the software about those etc
[21:00] <nagyg> I managed to get openconnect with --protocol=gp working as well, strange thing is that it says the vpn is connected and I can ping a host (20% packet loss) but I cannot access the wiki hosted on it (port 80)
[21:00] <sarnold> ouch
[21:00] <sarnold> 20% packetloss is basically useless
[21:00] <sarnold> tcp is cranky at 2-3% packetloss..
[21:01] <nagyg> I retested the ping and now it is 100% for a longer period of time
[21:01] <nagyg> interesting
[21:02] <Ben64> certain places might stop responding to pings after a while
[21:03] <deadrom> I just did a fresh install of 18.04LTS and noticed it preferably installed hwe packages. are the "old", regular packages not supported anymore?
[21:04] <sarnold> deadrom: they are still supported; iirc the server installer will offer the option of using hwe or original, and the desktop installer will prefer the hwe packages
[21:04] <deadrom> sarnold: I see
[21:05] <Mercury> I'm running the straight gnome desktop, and on 19.10 with Xorg when I got a notification from either thunderbird or pidgin it would get automatically dismissed when I brought the application in question into focus.  Since upgrading to 20.04 (and switching to gnome on wayland just to confuse matters), that automatic dismissal has stopped working.  I don't suppose anyone knows why?
[21:07] <nagyg> if I access a server behind VPN with pinging but I cannot access its port 80, how can I test what causes the problem? is it because of the VPN settings or is my vpn client shit? that's what I would like to identify
[21:08] <nagyg> kostkon, I tried running the GUI from the terminal and it just hangs forever ... or at least it seems so, unfortunately their cli interface does not support saml auth
[21:13] <sebsebseb> hi
[21:14] <kostkon> nagyg, ok
[21:14] <kostkon> sebsebseb, hi
[21:15] <sebsebseb> kostkon: hi
[21:25] <gonutsfordonuts> hey, every now and again something goes really wrong with my local DNS cache and i cant access some sites. the only way to fix it is to flush the DNS cache
[21:25] <gonutsfordonuts> is there anything i can do to fix it?
[21:25] <sarnold> is it the same sites every time? maybe their admins just don't know how dns works
[21:41] <entropy_> ok im trying to install sendmail and itgs not sending emails.. i used this guide: https://tecadmin.net/install-sendmail-on-ubuntu/
[21:41] <entropy_> any ideas?
[21:43] <Siecje> I have installed docker using snap. How do I run the docker daemon?
[21:43] <Siecje> On 20.04
[21:44] <sarnold> entropy_: check your logs?
[21:45] <sazawal> Hi all. I am doing ssh from my ubuntu to windows 7 pc. It was working fine with password authentication. But I changed the wifi network once and it stopped working, and now it doesn't work with the old wifi network either. I am getting an error message of "Connection to 192.168.1.x closed". With -vvv option I am getting debug1: Exit status -1073741819. Can anyone help me troubleshoot it?
[21:45] <Siecje> sazawal: How do you SSH into Windows? Are you running the Linux subshell?
[21:46] <sazawal> Siecje, I have installed openssh on windows, and from my linux terminal I run ssh command.
[21:46] <Siecje> sazawal: Have you removed the linux computer from the known_hosts of the destination computer?
[21:46] <sarnold> sazawal: can you pastebin the *entire* log? that feels like it's not the actual error
[21:47] <sazawal> Siecje, Yes I did, because I got the error once, not sure how to fix it now
[21:47] <sazawal> sarnold, log of -vvv?
[21:47] <sarnold> sazawal: yeah
[21:48] <johnjay> sigh
[21:48] <johnjay> apparently that doesn't do it
[21:48] <johnjay> it still goes to line audio in whenever lock screen is engaged
[21:48] <johnjay> can i disable everything except my hdmi tv so PA is forced to use it?
[21:50] <sazawal> sarnold, https://dpaste.org/VcAP
[22:03] <Goop> What is the best network socket library for C++ for servers?
[22:04] <Sven_vB> Goop, what shall that lib do for you? are you even sure about using C++ for that server?
[22:04] <Sven_vB> Goop, also we should probably move that discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic.
[22:05] <sarnold> sazawal: oh strange; it looks like it went all the way to creating a shell session in a terminal for you
[22:05] <Goop> Sven_vB, C++ is fast. I want to use C++.
[22:06] <sarnold> Goop: a pal put this together, it looked nice and simple https://github.com/ahupowerdns/simplesocket/blob/master/README.md
[22:06] <sazawal> sarnold, I guess it was a shell session when I was doing ssh. I had access to the windows cmd from my linux on successful connection.
[22:06] <Goop> sarnold, thanks!
[22:06] <sarnold> sazawal: does windows still have a windows event viewer? does it show you things in real time?
[22:07] <sarnold> sazawal: I'm hoping it has some logs of *some* sort over there that can help..
[22:08] <Siecje> I have installed docker using snap. How do I start the docker daemon?
[22:08] <sazawal> sarnold, Yes I just found the Event Viewer in windows. Let me see where are the ssh logs. Do you have an idea?
[22:09] <sarnold> sazawal: heh, no, sorry, when I left windows, it was barely on the internet :) heh
[22:10] <sarnold> Siecje: you may have more luck in #snapcraft
[22:11] <sazawal> sarnold, I found the log of last login, see here https://dpaste.org/GBAS
[22:11] <sazawal> I am afraid it doesn't say much
[22:11] <sarnold> heh, yeah
[22:12] <sarnold> sazawal: does that ssh server have logs itself?
[22:13] <sazawal> sarnold, hmm, not at the root of C:\Program Files\OpenSSH\
[22:13] <sazawal> maybe I should try restarting the windows system
[22:15] <sazawal> sarnold, Do you know if I can reset the ssh, I mean renew all the keys in the host and client system.
[22:16] <sarnold> sazawal: the thing is, the keys all looked like they checked out fine, auth succeeded, etc
[22:17] <CrazySam> genii: so everyone with EOL release needs to do a clean install?
[22:17] <sarnold> sazawal: can you ssh from thast windows machine to that windows machine?
[22:17] <CrazySam> There is no upgrade path?
[22:17] <sazawal> sarnold, You mean from windows machine to linux machine?
[22:17] <sarnold> sazawal: no, entirely on the windows machine, take the linux machine out of the equation :)
[22:18] <sazawal> I see, let me try
[22:18] <sebsebseb> CrazySam: you can upgrade a EOL release
[22:18] <sarnold> CrazySam: there's some guidelines on how to upgrade from eol releases here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[22:18] <CrazySam> I see it's "clearly not advisable" as ioria puts it, to "jump to 19.10". Not sure why...
[22:18] <genii> CrazySam: Everyone who fails to upgrade to the next release before that one also ALSO is EOL
[22:18] <genii> -also
[22:20] <CrazySam> genii: You mean if you fail to upgrade Cosmic to Disco before Eoan is released will have no upgrade path?
[22:21] <Siecje> On 20.04 why do I see INFO Updating GRUB menu everytime I install something?
[22:21] <CrazySam> sebsebseb: I was reading that earlier today, but I failed to upgrade. Cosmic is too old even for that article.
[22:22] <sebsebseb> CrazySam: you  can upgrade through eol releases
[22:22] <sebsebseb> I think
[22:22] <sebsebseb> CrazySam: one to the next eol, to a supported
[22:22] <sebsebseb> !cosmic
[22:22] <genii> CrazySam: Not before Eoan is released. Before Disoc it self also stops being supported and is archived in old-release, like Cosmic was when it reached it's end before it.
[22:22] <sebsebseb> CrazySam: but that would be a lot of upgrading from 18.10
[22:22] <sebsebseb> easier and cleaner to clean install
[22:22] <sebsebseb> with 20.04
[22:23] <genii> CrazySam: Releases in between LTS releases are shorter lived
[22:24] <genii> But all releases overlap long enough to upgrade in a normal cycle for most users
[22:25] <Jordan_U> Siecje: Please pastebin the complete output of the command you're using to install something.
[22:26] <CrazySam> genii: thanks for clarifying.
[22:30] <CrazySam> How do I upgrade from Cosmic to Disco then if Disco is EOL?
[22:30] <CrazySam> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DiscoUpgrades
[22:30] <CrazySam> This article is of no help to me right? Because Disco is EOL?
[22:31] <sazawal> sarnold, Hey I restarted the windows system. And now doing ssh from linux to windows, it gives Host key verification failed. I was getting this once previously. See https://dpaste.org/4fiw
[22:31] <sazawal> Sorry got disconnected because I changed the wifi network.
[22:33] <sarnold> sazawal: oh strange -- I wonder why you get a new key? o_O
[22:33] <sazawal> sarnold, Could be because I ran some ssh-keygen -R commands?
[22:34] <sazawal> oh and I also ran ssh-keygen on the host computer
[22:34] <sarnold> sazawal: ah, the ssh-keygen will do it
[22:35] <sazawal> sarnold, What should I do now, I don't want to end up in "closed connection" message again.
[22:36] <sarnold> sazawal: follow the directions to forget the old host key, reconnect, accept the new hostkey, and then we can see whether or not the reboot worked
[22:38] <sazawal> sarnold, Ok so I just ran ssh-keygen -R "192.168.1.8" on linux and tried ssh again. Now I get "Connection to 192.168.1.8 closed." again :(
[22:38] <sarnold> sazawal: alright, now try from windows to windows to see if you can remove the linux system from the problem
[22:39] <sazawal> sarnold, Just tried windows to windows ssh. It doesn't give any output, no success or failure
[22:40] <sarnold> :(
[22:41] <sazawal> How can I remove all the keys from windows or generate new ones? And do the same on linux?
[22:42] <sarnold> why?
[22:42] <sazawal> sarnold, Maybe resetting the keys would work, as it was working earlier. I guess I messed up the keys or something.
[22:44] <sazawal> I think I know what caused the problem. The ip of the linux machine on wifi network-1 is same as the ip of the windows machine on wifi network-2. I once tried connecting linux to windows when linux was in wifi network-2 and windows was in wifi network-1 (or something like that)
[22:46] <sarnold> sazawal: but when you changed the keys, your connections were dropped immediately; with the original set of keys, the connections succeeded, terminals were set up, shells were started, and then the connection closed for still-unknown reasons, possibly including "the bash configuration files were broken" or "the shell doesn't run" etc
[22:47] <sazawal> sarnold, I see. I never saw such an issue before
[22:48] <sarnold> sazawal: me neither
[22:51] <gonutsfordonuts> sarnold: it seems to be limited to a set of sites
[22:52] <gonutsfordonuts> sarnold: i dont think we can blame those sys admins. this doesnt seem to be an issue for any other computer on the network. flushing DNS fixes it
[22:52] <sazawal> sarnold, Let me restart the system
[22:53] <sarnold> gonutsfordonuts: it'd be worth saving some dig output before and after flushing the routes to see what changed
[22:53] <bn_x> test
[22:55] <eelstrebor> anyone know why vlc launches when i attach a an external drive via usb (ubuntu 20.04)
[22:56] <xcfReal> Anyone know how to make a good working bash script i need to exit if input =! not equal to y from read
[22:56] <gonutsfordonuts> sarnold - i suppose i can do this. the last time i asked this question here, someone else suggested i use a different DNS server. i switched it to google - i get the same issues. some new ones too - like when I flush dns caches, sometimes google tries to use their own certificate instead of passing on the one from github
[22:56] <gonutsfordonuts> doesnt really seem like anyone knows how this works
[22:58] <gonutsfordonuts> sarnold: while we are talking, slack has gone up and down for me. here is a paste with dig output for both cases: https://pastebin.com/xwR9nHLC
[22:59] <gonutsfordonuts> Is it fair to say my local DNS server just decides to "forget" what the correct answer was?
[22:59] <sarnold> gonutsfordonuts: oh fun.. right there, caught in the action..
[22:59] <sarnold> gonutsfordonuts: line 16, the slack folks asked it to be cached for 59 seconds
[23:00] <gonutsfordonuts> sarnold: ah ok. so...shouldnt my local DNS server look it back up after 59 seconds?
[23:00] <gonutsfordonuts> if i made another request for a resource at api.slack.com
[23:00] <sarnold> if you ask again within 59 seconds, your cache should still have it, and get a very quick result; after 59 seconds, your dns resolver would need to go get a new one..
[23:01] <sarnold> and when it did that, it got back a "NXDOMAIN", -- to say the domain just plain doesn't exist; it'll cache this, too, but I don't know for how long
[23:02] <gonutsfordonuts> sarnold: yeah, can confirm nslookup cant find an answer
[23:03] <sarnold> oh wow, slack is using wildcard dns in some fashion, even keut2gu2ekjey8wg.slack.com has the same IP address...
[23:03] <CrazySam> Upgrading to Disco...
[23:03] <sarnold> CrazySam: good luck :)
[23:03] <gonutsfordonuts> sarnold: i believe that is a catch-all for all the various workspaces they set up
[23:03] <CrazySam> You know I need it. Thanks!
[23:03] <gonutsfordonuts> so they dont have to set up a new DNS entry for every workspace that is registered
[23:04] <sarnold> it just complicates trying to out how long negative entries are supposed to be cached
[23:04] <sarnold> or, well, an actual expert would probably not be similarly confused, heh
[23:04] <gonutsfordonuts> haha
[23:04] <gonutsfordonuts> well i feel that
[23:05] <gonutsfordonuts> again, the last time i was on here, someone suggested the problem was somewhere else
[23:05] <sarnold> dang they've got a cleanish looking https://dnsviz.net/d/api.slack.com/dnssec/ results too
[23:05] <sarnold> normally that thing is glowing red with errors ..
[23:05] <gonutsfordonuts> given my laptop is the only machine in the house that seems to have this issue - im inclined to think it has something to do with how local dns is configured and not my router/or another DNS server somewhere
[23:06] <sarnold> gonutsfordonuts: so, is it still returning NXDOMAIN for you? how do you clear the cache? what do you get afterwards?
[23:06] <gonutsfordonuts> sarnold: gonna answer in order here
[23:06] <CrazySam> "System upgrade is complete."
[23:07] <sazawal> sarnold, Its not working, is there anything more I can try?
[23:07] <gonutsfordonuts> sarnold: is it still return NXDOMAIN: no I dont believe so. I'm doing the lookup by `nslookup api.slack.com` I get `Address: 127.0.0.53#53  ** server can't find api.slack.com: NXDOMAIN` in response
[23:07] <sarnold> sazawal: sorry,I'm out of ideas :( you'll have to find someone more familiar with windows than me, I'm afraid
[23:08] <gonutsfordonuts> sarnold: how do I clear the cache: `sudo resolvectl flush-caches`
[23:08] <gonutsfordonuts> sarnold: what do I get afterwards: All my busted sites seem to come back for the most part. Works as normal then at some point in the future sites will break again (maybe after TTLs expire? might be something for me to look into)
[23:09] <CrazySam> Next up is Eoan upgrade. Will leave that for the next day.
[23:09] <sazawal> sarnold, alright.
[23:09] <sarnold> gonutsfordonuts: heh, sorry, for the 'after', I meant to pastebin the dig output of it working
[23:09] <gonutsfordonuts> sarnold: oh sure thing, one second
[23:11] <napk1n> hey guys how can I check my crontab script logs?
[23:12] <gonutsfordonuts> sarnold: https://pastebin.com/wDqKxWCs new paste. After digging a few times, the TTL counter will go down. Ive seen it referesh once properly
[23:13] <sarnold> napk1n: cron sends emails when things don't work; check /var/spool/mail/* files maybe?
[23:13] <sazawal> sarnold, Hey one new observation. You know the sftp://username@ipaddress via nautilus? It is working for me from linux to windows pc, and not the regular ssh via terminal. This is strange.
[23:13] <sarnold> sazawal: hmm; is it configured to support *only* sftp ?
[23:15] <sazawal> sarnold, I didn't particularly do such a setup for sftp. Now I am unsure if ssh was actually working previously or not, I had been using sftp only for some days. The sftp stopped working when I changed the wifi network and that made me check the ssh via terminal.
[23:17] <pqatsi> Hello! I did a fresh install of ubuntu 20.04 to a Dell Notebook with Optimus support (NVidia MX150). I selected proprietary repos on install and after reboot, nvidia driver got automatically selected. But I cant find where I can switch VGA (Its just the right click, run with dedicated graphics?) and I cant proof until now the switch (Running steam from ubuntu store/snap did not reported anything on
[23:17] <pqatsi> nvidia-smi)
[23:17] <pqatsi> So, there is any place where how to handle nvidia optimus with 20.04 is documented I can read? Also, someone can help-me to get this working properlly?
[23:18] <pqatsi> (Also, another symptom, run firefox with dedicated graphics disables webgl, even forcing the usage disabling blacklist)
[23:19] <napk1n> k gave up trying to find crontab logs
[23:20] <napk1n> anyways here is my issue, I think I created an infinite loop in the crontab script I set up
[23:20] <napk1n> how can I stop it ?
[23:20] <napk1n> would a server restart stop it ?
[23:20] <pqatsi> napk1n: tried journalctl --boot ?
[23:21] <pqatsi> About stop, you can kill what is looping inside you job
[23:21] <gonutsfordonuts> sarnold: so it is stable for now. this is pretty typical. after awhile dig wont return anything, nslookup wont return anything. i have no idea what causes the switch in behaviour to DNS just freaking out and dying. is there any other service i should be looking at?
[23:21] <sarnold> napk1n: ps auxw  to see what's running, kill pid .. to ask it nicely to stop; kill -9 pid to tell it to stop
[23:22] <sarnold> gonutsfordonuts: it's possible journalctl will have some messages from systemd-resolved, but that thing seems to log a lot of useless stuff, and not enough useful stuff
[23:22] <gonutsfordonuts> sarnold: fair enough. i appreciate your help btw - looks like youre carrying the channel here :P
[23:23] <napk1n> sarnold k that worked xd lol had 3 instances of it running non stop
[23:23] <gonutsfordonuts> my understanding on how DNS is handled on ubuntu is pretty poor. probably worth upskilling there a bit so i can troubleshoot these issues myself
[23:24] <sarnold> napk1n: the run-one package has some commands that can help prevent running several copies of something out of crontabs
[23:24] <sarnold> gonutsfordonuts: heh, same here, I don't know resolvectl stuff well enough
[23:24] <sarnold> and not nearly enough dnssec..
[23:33] <johnjay> kill -9 pid to order it to stop, alt-printscr-b to appeal to the kernel to stop it
[23:34] <cluelessperson_> so I'm trying out nicing different processes in ubuntu
[23:34] <cluelessperson_> and it seems to help with the studying
[23:42] <nightBulb> whois nightBulb
[23:42] <nightBulb> sorry typo
[23:55] <euxneks> so! 20.04! has anyone received the notice to update on their desktops yet? it looks like this file online needs to include a new 20.04 entry but I still only see 19.10 as the latest http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release
[23:55] <oerheks> !ltsupgrade
[23:55] <oerheks> i would wait ..
[23:55] <euxneks> oh!
[23:55] <euxneks> I thought it was released already, my bad!
[23:56] <euxneks> @oerheks, thanks for the clarification
[23:57] <sarnold> euxneks: it's released, but that file is used to prompt to people to upgrade
[23:57] <euxneks> hrm.. what about from 19.10 though?
[23:58] <euxneks> (I'm on 19.10)
[23:58] <sarnold> euxneks: yeah lately I've been thinking that we ought to remove the -d requirement for upgrading to just-released versions
[23:58] <euxneks> o/ thanks for the info
[23:59] <ceska>  hey. How to set back defaults relatined to Python in system? I think I;ve brake my system with trying to change defaults. Sure I'm Kubuntu, but I guess this is not realy diferent? Thanks in advance.