| teward | in case you studio support people are bored... https://askubuntu.com/questions/1231694/udunto-studio-does-not-have-software-center | 00:40 |
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| Unit193 | > udunto | 00:40 |
| teward | yeah i fixed some of those misspellings but had already copied the link lol | 00:41 |
| Unit193 | "Obsolete"? Where's whatever say that? | 00:42 |
| garyyang | I just install the latest version of Ubuntu Studio and unable to install cangjie Chinese input method. Anyone could help | 14:54 |
| cfdeszgerz | hey | 16:58 |
| zmagii | sup guys | 19:01 |
| zmagii | I am trying to use my Nord Piano 2 on Ardour. I can see it in Jco | 19:02 |
| zmagii | *Jack | 19:02 |
| zmagii | But I can't seem to configure it to receive the Piano 2 as input to my MIDI track. | 19:02 |
| zmagii | Same thing with my sound card (UA-4FX Cakewalk). I can see it in Jack under ALSA. How can I configure it to use that as input? | 19:03 |
| zmagii | Oh wow okay I set it to System 1 and now the MIDI works? Took me 30 mins to get to that... | 19:04 |
| zmagii | Ok so the thing left is then my sound card. How can I change from my laptop mic to my soundcard input? | 19:04 |
| zmagii | Another question, what is a good software instrument for piano? I set it to the first one I could find, "MDA Piano". | 19:07 |
| StevenJayCohen | <garyyang "I just install the latest versio"> garyyang: You might want to install this version of Ubuntu first, then add the Ubuntu Studio Installer afterward: https://www.ubuntukylin.com/index.php?lang=en | 19:22 |
| StevenJayCohen | The Ubuntu Studio Installer adds any of the individual components of Studio to other flavors of Ubuntu. | 19:22 |
| zmagii | Ok so I managed to connect the UA-4FX as input, but it doesn't allow me to playback what I recorded via the laptop speakers. Whenever I check UA-4FX as audio input, then it deselects output to "none" | 19:33 |
| peter22222 | hi folks... i try to use aeolus, but i canot make it work. i connected via jack but no sound | 20:28 |
| knighteagle | .msg NickServ identify AimeeJul2802Susannah21009 | 20:37 |
| oerheks | knighteagle, time to change password | 20:41 |
| knighteagle | good thing that wasn't my password ;) | 20:41 |
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| zmagii | We may not know your password, but we now know your lover | 20:47 |
| zmagii | So for those who are interested, I managed to get everything to work in Ardour, but not playback | 20:48 |
| zmagii | I can bounce to a file though and then listen to it. | 20:48 |
| zmagii | For some reason it doesn't like having my soundcard active as input and my computer as output. | 20:49 |
| zmagii | But the good news is that both Piano 2 MIDI and the UA-4FX Cakewalk soundcard work plug and play out of the box. | 20:49 |
| zmagii | The MIDI lags a bit, but I think that is inevitable without a MIDI driver dongle like an EDIROL. | 20:50 |
| OvenWerks | zmagii: how are you trying to use two audio devices? | 20:51 |
| OvenWerks | that normally doesn't work. | 20:52 |
| OvenWerks | two MIDI devices normally do work. | 20:52 |
| OvenWerks | in order for two audio devices to work one of them must have a Sample Rate Conversion (SRC) stage. | 20:53 |
| === knighteagle789 is now known as knighteagle | ||
| OvenWerks | Ardour, at this time, does not support this. You can, by using ubuntustudio-controls, run jack with one device and add others via an SRC module and use that with Ardour. | 20:55 |
| OvenWerks | The upcoming Ardour, I think, will allow this (using the same code as -controls) | 20:56 |
| peter22222 | something is wrong with my pulseaudio... i cannot pactl set-default-sink any more | 21:08 |
| peter22222 | pactl set-default-sink is not an option any more... anybody can help? | 21:08 |
| Eickmeyer | !ubuntustudio-controls | peter22222: All of that functionality has been rolled into this | 21:09 |
| ubottu | peter22222: All of that functionality has been rolled into this: Ubuntu Studio Controls is the application through which audio is configured in Ubuntu Studio. It configures Jack, sets the CPU governor, and ensures the user has realtime audio permissions. For more info, see !jack and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/UbuntuStudioControls | 21:09 |
| peter22222 | that doesnt help | 21:10 |
| Eickmeyer | peter22222: pactl set-default-sink suggests you're still using qjackctl to use Jack now, which isn't supported here anymore. | 21:11 |
| peter22222 | oh ok | 21:11 |
| peter22222 | thanks | 21:11 |
| zmagii | OvenWerks: No, one audio and one MIDI. The audio is the Cakewalk sound card and the MIDI is via a Nord Piano | 21:12 |
| zmagii | Do you mean for example I would not be able to record with two soundcards? | 21:13 |
| OvenWerks | zmagii: one audio and one midi should be fine. MIDI is non-syncronis. | 21:22 |
| OvenWerks | < zmagii> For some reason it doesn't like having my soundcard active as | 21:23 |
| OvenWerks | input and my computer as output. | 21:23 |
| OvenWerks | That made it sound like a different audio in and out. | 21:23 |
| zmagii | OvenWerks: Oh right. No I just meant monitoring doesn't seem to work for me. | 21:23 |
| zmagii | It works if I just have MIDI and no audio. Then I can monitor the MIDI. | 21:24 |
| OvenWerks | If by that you mean MIDI input to audio output that is different | 21:24 |
| OvenWerks | The first question is if the master channel in Ardour shows activity | 21:24 |
| zmagii | Sorry, let me explain more simply. Let's forget about the MIDI, since that works for me. | 21:24 |
| zmagii | Let's say I open a new project with just one track---the UA-4FX card. This would be from e.g. a mic or a instrument out. | 21:25 |
| zmagii | Then, I can't get the track to monitor when I play on the instrument or get the mic to monitor to my laptop speakers (or headphones). | 21:26 |
| OvenWerks | That _would_ be two audio cards | 21:26 |
| OvenWerks | your laptop speakers/headphones are one audio interface and the mic in through UA-4FX is a second. | 21:27 |
| zmagii | Oh, I see what you mean. So I need to plug a speaker to the soundcard output I guess? | 21:27 |
| OvenWerks | yes | 21:27 |
| OvenWerks | or use jack | 21:27 |
| OvenWerks | set jack master to internal and (with ubuntustudio-controls) enable "Bridge USB devices to jack when plugged in" | 21:29 |
| zmagii | So it's an Ardour limitation, not Ubuntu? | 21:29 |
| OvenWerks | yes | 21:29 |
| OvenWerks | It is also a reasonable limit | 21:29 |
| OvenWerks | any two audio devices will not be in sync with each other | 21:29 |
| zmagii | Is it via QjackCtl? | 21:29 |
| OvenWerks | no | 21:30 |
| OvenWerks | ubuntustudio-controls | 21:30 |
| zmagii | Oh okay, that's why you mentioned it, right. | 21:30 |
| OvenWerks | we no longer support qjackctl. It is only there for those who are used to it and like it | 21:30 |
| zmagii | Is the sync on a hardware level? It sounds interesting. | 21:31 |
| OvenWerks | no, sync is via sw | 21:31 |
| OvenWerks | it uses a Sample Rate Conversion block | 21:31 |
| zmagii | My background is in math, not engineering, so I am more of a simpleton :P | 21:31 |
| OvenWerks | Hardware sync would be much better and is used in profesional cases. | 21:32 |
| OvenWerks | Ardour is a profesion DAW | 21:32 |
| OvenWerks | *profesional even | 21:32 |
| OvenWerks | USB mics are not profesional, but they are an easy start for a lot fo people so we "make a way" | 21:33 |
| zmagii | So are you saying that you can do hardware sync in Ardour? | 21:34 |
| OvenWerks | no | 21:34 |
| zmagii | Do you mean USB soundcards too or do you mean USB direct mics? | 21:34 |
| OvenWerks | Ardour expects the hw sync to be done outside of ardour and a synced agrigate device so it only sees one device | 21:34 |
| OvenWerks | USB sound cards along with internal sound | 21:35 |
| zmagii | Like for example, I was going to ask you about the 2 audio device issue, can you use a Focusrite with 8 channels as one audio device? | 21:35 |
| OvenWerks | A USB direct mic is a USB sound card | 21:35 |
| OvenWerks | yes you can use it as one device with both inputs and outputs | 21:35 |
| zmagii | OvenWerks: OK, so I use for example a normal condenser mic (or a dynamic Shure) with a phantom USB soundcard | 21:36 |
| OvenWerks | but you can't expect to also use internal sound at the same time | 21:36 |
| zmagii | Oh, that's interesting. In Logic Studio on macOS they do allow it. | 21:36 |
| OvenWerks | yes the SRC is hidden | 21:36 |
| OvenWerks | but it is there | 21:36 |
| zmagii | But would that still be similar to the Jack setup? | 21:37 |
| zmagii | Just done outside of the user's scope maybe | 21:37 |
| OvenWerks | that is basically what ubuntustudio-controls does | 21:37 |
| OvenWerks | yes without the user's knowledge | 21:37 |
| OvenWerks | I do not know if on the Mac it is possible to choose which devicxe is master | 21:38 |
| zmagii | OvenWerks: Are you a professional musician? | 21:38 |
| OvenWerks | I have played since about 1970 but not for money :) | 21:38 |
| zmagii | OvenWerks: On Mac you can select them around usually. But someone asked me today to do a recording and I got Ardour to work within an hour and a half, so I am not going back to Logic Studio :P | 21:39 |
| OvenWerks | Drums, bass, guitar, mandolin | 21:39 |
| OvenWerks | Ardour does also work on Mac | 21:39 |
| OvenWerks | But Logic is fine too | 21:40 |
| OvenWerks | basically, any DAW has a learning curve | 21:40 |
| zmagii | I don't use macOS anymore. Logic is a good program, but I prefer to have complete control, even at the expense of time or effort | 21:40 |
| OvenWerks | The begining of a new project is not the time for that | 21:40 |
| zmagii | OvenWerks: It was just a plain piano piece, so not too complicated | 21:41 |
| zmagii | My issue with things like macOS or Windows generally is that they change things over time, and sometimes they change it at inconvenient times. | 21:42 |
| OvenWerks | I wish I could say Linux was different, but Ubuntu, gnome and KDE have all done odd things at inconvenient times | 21:43 |
| zmagii | So Logic started to become a pain too. And then Mainstage is supposedly the intuitive live stage version of Logic, but I just find all these things to suck you into buying Apple products. | 21:43 |
| zmagii | OvenWerks: I've heard some complaints about that new filesystem, what is it called again? | 21:44 |
| zmagii | But it is optional anyway, I think... | 21:44 |
| OvenWerks | filesystem? my filesystem has been the same for over 10 years now | 21:44 |
| zmagii | Apple changed their encrypted filesystem without telling people recently | 21:44 |
| OvenWerks | but then I always do a manual disk setup | 21:45 |
| zmagii | I think that was one of the main mistakes before Catalina | 21:45 |
| OvenWerks | oh apple, they have done some other things too. | 21:45 |
| OvenWerks | they have lost their force when Jobs died and are just another computer company now. | 21:45 |
| zmagii | OvenWerks: I googled it quickly, it's called ZFS | 21:46 |
| OvenWerks | ZFS has been around for a while. it is not encripted in and of itself. | 21:46 |
| zmagii | But my point is you still have the option. That apple thing they did was without telling people. | 21:46 |
| OvenWerks | encrytion would be added layer | 21:46 |
| OvenWerks | yes | 21:46 |
| zmagii | I think Apple's hardware is what is really the edge. | 21:47 |
| OvenWerks | was | 21:47 |
| zmagii | Or was, yes. | 21:47 |
| zmagii | But some basic things are still really good, like the trackpad. I don't understand why ASUS for example would sell a high spec laptop and then the trackpad feels like it just sags if you touch it | 21:48 |
| OvenWerks | the hardware used to pick componemts that worked best for artistic uses. | 21:48 |
| OvenWerks | Apple or high end anything has always been outside anything I do. | 21:49 |
| zmagii | That's also why macs are traditionally expensive right? They targeted people like graphic designers | 21:49 |
| zmagii | OvenWerks: Why do you say that? | 21:50 |
| OvenWerks | I don't have the kind of money to get high end things | 21:50 |
| zmagii | I have modest definitions of high end though... | 21:51 |
| OvenWerks | I do a lot of things with bits that are given to me... cause they are old | 21:51 |
| zmagii | OvenWerks: I think I am becoming either old or more mature, because I also tend to do that | 21:52 |
| zmagii | A lot of older things in the programming world are still the best too | 21:52 |
| zmagii | I've swithed all my programming to vim and it's much better for me | 21:53 |
| zmagii | That's kind of why I switched to Ubuntu Studio too. | 21:53 |
| zmagii | I am also wondering how much one can tinker with VSTs and plugins. | 21:54 |
| OvenWerks | A lot of things can be done with linux and plugins | 21:55 |
| zmagii | OvenWerks: Another relative thing about high end vs. low end is if you look for example at Guitars. A new Fender Squier with a replaced pickup for example can sound high end | 21:56 |
| zmagii | Whereas I've heard that Gibson is notorious for overcharging and not always delivering on quality | 21:56 |
| zmagii | If it is a good Gibson it will still sound great though. But I guess Fender has a different way of thinking | 21:57 |
| OvenWerks | The Harrison consoles use in Film production (the ones that look like they are 30 feet long/wide) use linux/ardour for their recording function. | 21:57 |
| zmagii | OvenWerks: Is this for audio recording? | 21:57 |
| OvenWerks | Fenders and Gibsons can both be good guitars. | 21:57 |
| OvenWerks | yes. | 21:58 |
| OvenWerks | most of the movies produces use the Harrison consoles in their sound stages | 21:58 |
| zmagii | Is it an embedded OS in the console itself? | 21:58 |
| OvenWerks | The big Harrison consoles will have a number of computers. There is one just for control, but each 8 or so channels will have a computer for the DSP for that section | 22:00 |
| zmagii | "there is no bigger or better mixing console *anywhere*" | 22:00 |
| zmagii | That sounds good.. | 22:00 |
| OvenWerks | the recording bit is just the end point. | 22:00 |
| OvenWerks | and many people use other software for post production (protools in a lot fo cases) | 22:00 |
| zmagii | That sounds really interesting, I'll ask you again about that some time | 22:01 |
| zmagii | Need to go, thanks for the chat | 22:01 |
| OvenWerks | Harrison uses the best inside but will also deal with whatever external sw the client wants | 22:01 |
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