[00:40] <teward> in case you studio support people are bored... https://askubuntu.com/questions/1231694/udunto-studio-does-not-have-software-center
[00:40] <Unit193> > udunto
[00:41] <teward> yeah i fixed some of those misspellings but had already copied the link lol
[00:42] <Unit193> "Obsolete"?  Where's whatever say that?
[14:54] <garyyang> I just install the latest version of Ubuntu Studio and unable to install cangjie Chinese input method. Anyone could help
[16:58] <cfdeszgerz> hey
[19:01] <zmagii> sup guys
[19:02] <zmagii> I am trying to use my Nord Piano 2 on Ardour. I can see it in Jco
[19:02] <zmagii> *Jack
[19:02] <zmagii> But I can't seem to configure it to receive the Piano 2 as input to my MIDI track.
[19:03] <zmagii> Same thing with my sound card (UA-4FX Cakewalk). I can see it in Jack under ALSA. How can I configure it to use that as input?
[19:04] <zmagii> Oh wow okay I set it to System 1 and now the MIDI works? Took me 30 mins to get to that...
[19:04] <zmagii> Ok so the thing left is then my sound card. How can I change from my laptop mic to my soundcard input?
[19:07] <zmagii> Another question, what is a good software instrument for piano? I set it to the first one I could find, "MDA Piano".
[19:22] <StevenJayCohen> <garyyang "I just install the latest versio"> garyyang: You might want to install this version of Ubuntu first, then add the Ubuntu Studio Installer afterward: https://www.ubuntukylin.com/index.php?lang=en
[19:22] <StevenJayCohen> The Ubuntu Studio Installer adds any of the individual components of Studio to other flavors of Ubuntu.
[19:33] <zmagii> Ok so I managed to connect the UA-4FX as input, but it doesn't allow me to playback what I recorded via the laptop speakers. Whenever I check UA-4FX as audio input, then it deselects output to "none"
[20:28] <peter22222> hi folks... i try to use aeolus, but i canot make it work. i connected via jack but no sound
[20:37] <knighteagle> .msg NickServ identify AimeeJul2802Susannah21009
[20:41] <oerheks> knighteagle, time to change password
[20:41] <knighteagle> good thing that wasn't my password ;)
[20:47] <zmagii> We may not know your password, but we now know your lover
[20:48] <zmagii> So for those who are interested, I managed to get everything to work in Ardour, but not playback
[20:48] <zmagii> I can bounce to a file though and then listen to it.
[20:49] <zmagii> For some reason it doesn't like having my soundcard active as input and my computer as output.
[20:49] <zmagii> But the good news is that both Piano 2 MIDI and the UA-4FX Cakewalk soundcard work plug and play out of the box.
[20:50] <zmagii> The MIDI lags a bit, but I think that is inevitable without a MIDI driver dongle like an EDIROL.
[20:51] <OvenWerks> zmagii: how are you trying to use two audio devices?
[20:52] <OvenWerks> that normally doesn't work.
[20:52] <OvenWerks> two MIDI devices normally do work.
[20:53] <OvenWerks> in order for two audio devices to work one of them must have a Sample Rate Conversion (SRC) stage.
[20:55] <OvenWerks> Ardour, at this time, does not support this. You can, by using ubuntustudio-controls, run jack with one device and add others via an SRC module and use that with Ardour.
[20:56] <OvenWerks> The upcoming Ardour, I think, will allow this (using the same code as -controls)
[21:08] <peter22222> something is wrong with my pulseaudio... i cannot pactl set-default-sink any more
[21:08] <peter22222> pactl set-default-sink is not an option any more... anybody can help?
[21:09] <Eickmeyer> !ubuntustudio-controls | peter22222: All of that functionality has been rolled into this
[21:10] <peter22222> that doesnt help
[21:11] <Eickmeyer> peter22222: pactl set-default-sink suggests you're still using qjackctl to use Jack now, which isn't supported here anymore.
[21:11] <peter22222> oh ok
[21:11] <peter22222> thanks
[21:12] <zmagii> OvenWerks: No, one audio and one MIDI. The audio is the Cakewalk sound card and the MIDI is via a Nord Piano
[21:13] <zmagii> Do you mean for example I would not be able to record with two soundcards?
[21:22] <OvenWerks> zmagii: one audio and one midi should be fine. MIDI is non-syncronis.
[21:23] <OvenWerks> < zmagii> For some reason it doesn't like having my soundcard active as
[21:23] <OvenWerks>                 input and my computer as output.
[21:23] <OvenWerks> That made it sound like a different audio in and out.
[21:23] <zmagii> OvenWerks: Oh right. No I just meant monitoring doesn't seem to work for me.
[21:24] <zmagii> It works if I just have MIDI and no audio. Then I can monitor the MIDI.
[21:24] <OvenWerks>  If by that you mean MIDI input to audio output that is different
[21:24] <OvenWerks> The first question is if the master channel in Ardour shows activity
[21:24] <zmagii> Sorry, let me explain more simply. Let's forget about the MIDI, since that works for me.
[21:25] <zmagii> Let's say I open a new project with just one track---the UA-4FX card. This would be from e.g. a mic or a instrument out.
[21:26] <zmagii> Then, I can't get the track to monitor when I play on the instrument or get the mic to monitor to my laptop speakers (or headphones).
[21:26] <OvenWerks> That _would_ be two audio cards
[21:27] <OvenWerks> your laptop speakers/headphones are one audio interface and the mic in through UA-4FX is a second.
[21:27] <zmagii> Oh, I see what you mean. So I need to plug a speaker to the soundcard output I guess?
[21:27] <OvenWerks> yes
[21:27] <OvenWerks> or use jack
[21:29] <OvenWerks> set jack master to internal and (with ubuntustudio-controls) enable "Bridge USB devices to jack when plugged in"
[21:29] <zmagii> So it's an Ardour limitation, not Ubuntu?
[21:29] <OvenWerks> yes
[21:29] <OvenWerks> It is also a reasonable limit
[21:29] <OvenWerks> any two audio devices will not be in sync with each other
[21:29] <zmagii> Is it via QjackCtl?
[21:30] <OvenWerks> no
[21:30] <OvenWerks> ubuntustudio-controls
[21:30] <zmagii> Oh okay, that's why you mentioned it, right.
[21:30] <OvenWerks> we no longer support qjackctl. It is only there for those who are used to it and like it
[21:31] <zmagii> Is the sync on a hardware level? It sounds interesting.
[21:31] <OvenWerks> no, sync is via sw
[21:31] <OvenWerks> it uses a Sample Rate Conversion block
[21:31] <zmagii> My background is in math, not engineering, so I am more of a simpleton :P
[21:32] <OvenWerks> Hardware sync would be much better and is used in profesional cases.
[21:32] <OvenWerks> Ardour is a profesion DAW
[21:32] <OvenWerks> *profesional even
[21:33] <OvenWerks> USB mics are not profesional, but they are an easy start for a lot fo people so we "make a way"
[21:34] <zmagii> So are you saying that you can do hardware sync in Ardour?
[21:34] <OvenWerks> no
[21:34] <zmagii> Do you mean USB soundcards too or do you mean USB direct mics?
[21:34] <OvenWerks> Ardour expects the hw sync to be done outside of ardour and a synced agrigate device so it only sees one device
[21:35] <OvenWerks> USB sound cards along with internal sound
[21:35] <zmagii> Like for example, I was going to ask you about the 2 audio device issue, can you use a Focusrite with 8 channels as one audio device?
[21:35] <OvenWerks> A USB direct mic is a USB sound card
[21:35] <OvenWerks> yes you can use it as one device with both inputs and outputs
[21:36] <zmagii> OvenWerks: OK, so I use for example a normal condenser mic (or a dynamic Shure) with a phantom USB soundcard
[21:36] <OvenWerks> but you can't expect to also use internal sound at the same time
[21:36] <zmagii> Oh, that's interesting. In Logic Studio on macOS they do allow it.
[21:36] <OvenWerks> yes the SRC is hidden
[21:36] <OvenWerks> but it is there
[21:37] <zmagii> But would that still be similar to the Jack setup?
[21:37] <zmagii> Just done outside of the user's scope maybe
[21:37] <OvenWerks> that is basically what ubuntustudio-controls does
[21:37] <OvenWerks> yes without the user's knowledge
[21:38] <OvenWerks> I do not know if on the Mac it is possible to choose which devicxe is master
[21:38] <zmagii> OvenWerks: Are you a professional musician?
[21:38] <OvenWerks> I have played since about 1970 but not for money :)
[21:39] <zmagii> OvenWerks: On Mac you can select them around usually. But someone asked me today to do a recording and I got Ardour to work within an hour and a half, so I am not going back to Logic Studio :P
[21:39] <OvenWerks> Drums, bass, guitar, mandolin
[21:39] <OvenWerks> Ardour does also work on Mac
[21:40] <OvenWerks> But Logic is fine too
[21:40] <OvenWerks> basically, any DAW has a learning curve
[21:40] <zmagii> I don't use macOS anymore. Logic is a good program, but I prefer to have complete control, even at the expense of time or effort
[21:40] <OvenWerks> The begining of a new project is not the time for that
[21:41] <zmagii> OvenWerks: It was just a plain piano piece, so not too complicated
[21:42] <zmagii> My issue with things like macOS or Windows generally is that they change things over time, and sometimes they change it at inconvenient times.
[21:43] <OvenWerks> I wish I could say Linux was different, but Ubuntu, gnome and KDE have all done odd things at inconvenient times
[21:43] <zmagii> So Logic started to become a pain too. And then Mainstage is supposedly the intuitive live stage version of Logic, but I just find all these things to suck you into buying Apple products.
[21:44] <zmagii> OvenWerks: I've heard some complaints about that new filesystem, what is it called again?
[21:44] <zmagii> But it is optional anyway, I think...
[21:44] <OvenWerks> filesystem? my filesystem has been the same for over 10 years now
[21:44] <zmagii> Apple changed their encrypted filesystem without telling people recently
[21:45] <OvenWerks> but then I always do a manual disk setup
[21:45] <zmagii> I think that was one of the main mistakes before Catalina
[21:45] <OvenWerks> oh apple, they have done some other things too.
[21:45] <OvenWerks> they have lost their force when Jobs died and are just another computer company now.
[21:46] <zmagii> OvenWerks: I googled it quickly, it's called ZFS
[21:46] <OvenWerks> ZFS has been around for a while. it is not encripted in and of itself.
[21:46] <zmagii> But my point is you still have the option. That apple thing they did was without telling people.
[21:46] <OvenWerks> encrytion would be added layer
[21:46] <OvenWerks> yes
[21:47] <zmagii> I think Apple's hardware is what is really the edge.
[21:47] <OvenWerks> was
[21:47] <zmagii> Or was, yes.
[21:48] <zmagii> But some basic things are still really good, like the trackpad. I don't understand why ASUS for example would sell a high spec laptop and then the trackpad feels like it just sags if you touch it
[21:48] <OvenWerks> the hardware used to pick componemts that worked best for artistic uses.
[21:49] <OvenWerks> Apple or high end anything has always been outside anything I do.
[21:49] <zmagii> That's also why macs are traditionally expensive right? They targeted people like graphic designers
[21:50] <zmagii> OvenWerks: Why do you say that?
[21:50] <OvenWerks> I don't have the kind of money to get high end things
[21:51] <zmagii> I have modest definitions of high end though...
[21:51] <OvenWerks> I do a lot of things with bits that are given to me... cause they are old
[21:52] <zmagii> OvenWerks: I think I am becoming either old or more mature, because I also tend to do that
[21:52] <zmagii> A lot of older things in the programming world are still the best too
[21:53] <zmagii> I've swithed all my programming to vim and it's much better for me
[21:53] <zmagii> That's kind of why I switched to Ubuntu Studio too.
[21:54] <zmagii> I am also wondering how much one can tinker with VSTs and plugins.
[21:55] <OvenWerks> A lot of things can be done with linux and plugins
[21:56] <zmagii> OvenWerks: Another relative thing about high end vs. low end is if you look for example at Guitars. A new Fender Squier with a replaced pickup for example can sound high end
[21:56] <zmagii> Whereas I've heard that Gibson is notorious for overcharging and not always delivering on quality
[21:57] <zmagii> If it is a good Gibson it will still sound great though. But I guess Fender has a different way of thinking
[21:57] <OvenWerks> The Harrison consoles use in Film production (the ones that look like they are 30 feet long/wide) use linux/ardour for their recording function.
[21:57] <zmagii> OvenWerks: Is this for audio recording?
[21:57] <OvenWerks> Fenders and Gibsons can both be good guitars.
[21:58] <OvenWerks> yes.
[21:58] <OvenWerks> most of the movies produces use the Harrison consoles in their sound stages
[21:58] <zmagii> Is it an embedded OS in the console itself?
[22:00] <OvenWerks> The big Harrison consoles will have a number of computers. There is one just for control, but each 8 or so channels will have a computer for the DSP for that section
[22:00] <zmagii> "there is no bigger or better mixing console *anywhere*"
[22:00] <zmagii> That sounds good..
[22:00] <OvenWerks> the recording bit is just the end point.
[22:00] <OvenWerks> and many people use other software for post production (protools in a lot fo cases)
[22:01] <zmagii> That sounds really interesting, I'll ask you again about that some time
[22:01] <zmagii> Need to go, thanks for the chat
[22:01] <OvenWerks> Harrison uses the best inside but will also deal with whatever external sw the client wants