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| callmepk | Good morning | 01:26 |
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| duflu | Hi callmepk | 02:00 |
| callmepk | Hi duflu | 02:01 |
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| duflu | RAOF, looks like the open thread can be closed?... https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/4294 | 04:25 |
| RAOF | Yes. I guess I just need to ping whoever can trigger Marge | 04:38 |
| oSoMoN | good morning desktoppers | 05:56 |
| jibel | salut oSoMoN | 06:18 |
| oSoMoN | salut jibel | 06:18 |
| seb128 | goood morning desktopers! | 06:28 |
| callmepk | morning seb128 | 06:29 |
| seb128 | hey callmepk, how are you? | 06:29 |
| didrocks | hey callmepk | 06:29 |
| callmepk | Pretty great, how are you seb128 ? | 06:30 |
| callmepk | Hi didrocks , how are you | 06:30 |
| seb128 | callmepk, I'm good thanks! | 06:30 |
| oSoMoN | salut seb128, didrocks | 06:53 |
| oSoMoN | hey callmepk | 06:53 |
| seb128 | lut oSoMoN, comment ça va ? | 06:53 |
| didrocks | ça va oSoMoN ? | 06:54 |
| oSoMoN | bien, et vous? | 06:57 |
| seb128 | nickel :) | 06:57 |
| didrocks | ça va :) | 07:02 |
| duflu | Morning oSoMoN, jibel, seb128, didrocks | 07:22 |
| oSoMoN | hey duflu | 07:23 |
| didrocks | hey duflu | 07:24 |
| jibel | morning duflu | 07:24 |
| didrocks | hey jibel | 07:24 |
| jibel | Salut didrocks | 07:24 |
| didrocks | jibel: FYI: https://github.com/openzfs/zfs/issues/7734 & https://docs.google.com/document/d/1y_zKQZJ8_RGYWwvx4k_QmR-PrFhrJUGAhWV-GT0lZRg/edit#heading=h.m922tj82ezp3 | 07:24 |
| gitbot | openzfs issue 7734 in zfs "Swap deadlock in 0.7.9" [Component: Memory Management, Open] | 07:24 |
| jibel | didrocks, yeah, that's good and will solve many problems. | 07:25 |
| didrocks | indeed :) | 07:25 |
| jibel | didrocks, finally from the logs on ug 1874304 | 07:25 |
| jibel | bug 1874304 | 07:25 |
| ubot5 | bug 1874304 in zsys (Ubuntu) "grub-probe fails with failed to get canonical path of rpool with ZFS" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1874304 | 07:25 |
| jibel | didrocks, it is not our fault :) | 07:26 |
| jibel | that's the important point | 07:26 |
| jibel | didrocks, my guess is a corrupted rpool | 07:26 |
| jibel | and again docker + zfs | 07:26 |
| jibel | + some tool that does automated snapshots | 07:26 |
| didrocks | jibel: 2 tools for automated snapshots even when I see the list of datasets | 07:27 |
| jibel | didrocks, as I suspected the failure happens in grub-mkconfig | 07:27 |
| didrocks | provisonning + auto_zfs_something | 07:27 |
| jibel | yeah | 07:27 |
| didrocks | yeah, it’s very early, so not something "new" | 07:28 |
| didrocks | unsure how the pool is corrupted | 07:28 |
| didrocks | also, notice the non imported bpool | 07:28 |
| jibel | I don't know, zpool status as root would tell, but the hook ran as user | 07:28 |
| didrocks | still, the fact that zsysctl times out on 7000 datasets with this structure is annoying | 07:28 |
| didrocks | I wonder if getting all datasets and property by zfs get all wouldn’t be faster :/ | 07:29 |
| didrocks | but we need to find something rather than fighting go-libzfs | 07:29 |
| jibel | yup yup | 07:29 |
| didrocks | $ time zfs get all | 07:29 |
| didrocks | real 0m0,960s | 07:30 |
| didrocks | user 0m0,087s | 07:30 |
| didrocks | sys 0m0,818s | 07:30 |
| didrocks | $ zfs list -t all | wc -l | 07:30 |
| didrocks | 461 | 07:30 |
| didrocks | on my machine FYI | 07:30 |
| didrocks | unsure how long this will be for 7000 datasets | 07:30 |
| didrocks | ah, but we still need the zhp handler… | 07:30 |
| didrocks | (at least, we can try experimenting enhancing the timeout handling, see the bug I opened against zsys) | 07:31 |
| seb128 | hey duflu, how are you? did you manage to cut a bit from the work stress with the monday off? | 07:48 |
| duflu | seb128, I am OK. I switched off mentally and got home/garden maintenance done, a little. Though looking through the bug backlog looks like it will take a couple of days. So I am stressed now. Actually less than I expected though | 07:49 |
| duflu | How are you, seb128? | 07:49 |
| seb128 | duflu, I'm good! spent my monday doing bug triaging and thinking about SRUs and co, so I know the feeling | 07:50 |
| seb128 | duflu, it's nice to see some of the shell&co bugs fixed in git like the alternative keymap one | 07:52 |
| duflu | seb128, yeah their priorities are matching the most reported issues in focal | 07:54 |
| duflu | Just frustrating how many other bugs only affect one person, and stay open for years | 07:55 |
| seb128 | right, little we can do there out of just triaging them low and moving to more important problems | 07:56 |
| marcustomlinson | morning desktoppers | 07:57 |
| duflu | marcustomlinson, morning | 07:58 |
| seb128 | hey marcustomlinson, how are you? | 07:58 |
| duflu | seb128, one issue I think our own developers don't understand is that "Nvidia" bugs typically mean Nvidia-only systems. Not hybrid systems | 07:58 |
| marcustomlinson | seb128: a little below average today, rough night :/ But alive so there's that | 07:59 |
| seb128 | duflu, I don't think the issue is understanding, it's access to hardware | 07:59 |
| seb128 | marcustomlinson, :-( good luck for today then! | 07:59 |
| marcustomlinson | seb128: how are you? | 07:59 |
| seb128 | I'm fine, thanks | 07:59 |
| duflu | Well, it's a recurring issue. Actually probably more often a user misunderstanding. They have an Nvidia sticker on their laptop and they think they're using Nvidia | 07:59 |
| seb128 | also booting on the nvidia card on an hybrid isn't going to be good enough to trigger those bugs? | 08:01 |
| duflu | seb128, there's no such thing | 08:02 |
| didrocks | hey marcustomlinson | 08:02 |
| duflu | The LCD is always (almost always) only wired to Intel | 08:02 |
| Laney | hi ho | 08:02 |
| duflu | So the shell uses Intel and not the Nvidia driver | 08:03 |
| duflu | Hi Laney | 08:03 |
| seb128 | jbicha, I would appreciate if you asked here before switching the team tools to new series | 08:03 |
| marcustomlinson | hey didrocks and Laney | 08:03 |
| seb128 | duflu, so it means there is a nvidia gpu but it can't real be used? | 08:03 |
| seb128 | hey Laney, how are you? | 08:03 |
| duflu | seb128, only as a child of the Intel GPU which owns the real screen | 08:03 |
| duflu | Nvidia is allowed to own a window | 08:04 |
| seb128 | I see | 08:04 |
| duflu | or the HDMI port if it's wired to that | 08:04 |
| seb128 | I didn't know that, useful | 08:04 |
| seb128 | I will stop trying to borrow my gf hybrid's laptop to try to reproduce nvidia reported issues then | 08:04 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, hey, do you have an nvidia only system to use for debugging? | 08:05 |
| ricotz | good morning desktopers! | 09:00 |
| seb128 | hey ricotz, how are you? | 09:06 |
| Laney | hey duflu marcustomlinson seb128, doing ok! | 09:07 |
| Laney | huh looks like I forgot to press enter on that | 09:07 |
| Laney | /o\ | 09:07 |
| seb128 | :-) | 09:07 |
| duflu | And I keep forgetting to scroll down, for hours at a time and miss IRC | 09:07 |
| duflu | So we're even, in a way | 09:08 |
| Laney | there's like 12000 pending tests per arch on autopkgtest at the minute | 09:08 |
| Laney | don't think I've ever seen it that high | 09:08 |
| seb128 | fun | 09:08 |
| seb128 | nice to see that the new serie started without too much delay this time | 09:09 |
| Laney | dok_o didn't want to push any toolchain stuff pre-opening | 09:09 |
| seb128 | :) | 09:09 |
| Laney | so we just got it mostly done on friday, was quite smooth | 09:09 |
| seb128 | git question of the day | 09:13 |
| seb128 | is there an easy way than this command to update e.g debian/master when being on another branch? | 09:13 |
| seb128 | $ git fetch origin debian/master:debian/master | 09:13 |
| seb128 | (typically I'm on ubuntu/master and want to fetch the update Debian in debian/mater) | 09:14 |
| seb128 | it's a bit tedious to type but googling failed me to give me something easier | 09:14 |
| seb128 | (before I was do checkout; pull; checkout) | 09:14 |
| Laney | that's the best that I know | 09:16 |
| Laney | you could probably set up an alias | 09:16 |
| Laney | git config --global alias.pb fetch origin $0:$0 or something | 09:20 |
| seb128 | thx, I will give it a try | 09:20 |
| Laney | ah no, you can't have paremeters like that | 09:22 |
| Laney | probably more like !sh -c 'git fetch origin "$0:$0"' | 09:22 |
| jibel | didrocks, for disks > 2TB booted in legacy; I force the size of rpool to 2TB - bpool - swap - ESP | 09:23 |
| jibel | didrocks, are you okay with that or you prefer to error out? | 09:24 |
| didrocks | jibel: will we be able to boot it? I mean, we may not be able to have grub finding the start of the rpool partition, no? | 09:25 |
| didrocks | bpool being 2G. swap being 2G potentially… | 09:25 |
| seb128 | Laney, | 09:29 |
| seb128 | $ git du debian/master | 09:29 |
| seb128 | Depuis salsa.debian.org:gnome-team/nautilus | 09:29 |
| seb128 | a3a8353..8a38037 debian/master -> debian/master | 09:29 |
| seb128 | Laney, thx :) | 09:29 |
| Laney | nice | 09:29 |
| Laney | that's Trevinho level | 09:29 |
| seb128 | lol | 09:29 |
| jibel | didrocks, it'll work but that's a waste. I'm pondering whether a warning in ubiquity wouldn't be better rather than silently working around the limitation by reducing the amount of allocatable disk space | 09:52 |
| Trevinho | seb128: hey... I've only a prime system. | 09:57 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, hey, we should get you a proper nvidia config... | 09:57 |
| seb128 | Wimpress, ^ do you think that's something we can get and how? | 09:57 |
| didrocks | jibel: yeah, a warning sounds better, because then, we’ll get bugs about "I have 10Tb of HDD, how come my rpool is only 1.blopTB?" | 10:08 |
| jibel | yes | 10:14 |
| didrocks | jibel: reading what docker is doing on ZFS, I wonder if she shouldn’t add a patch there (unsure how the snap behaves) to create a persistent /var/lib/docker | 10:15 |
| jibel | right, I was thinking the same and it's something we quickly considered when we decided the layout at the very beginning | 10:19 |
| didrocks | ok, at least docker rm (but who does docker rm on stopped container?) and docker rmi removes the datasets | 10:19 |
| didrocks | yeah | 10:20 |
| didrocks | I really think about a hook in the ubuntu package | 10:20 |
| didrocks | but I need to look if snap has the same behavior | 10:20 |
| didrocks | and in this case, you to hook that in snap installation? | 10:20 |
| jibel | didrocks, we should alos ensure that snaps are on a persistent dataset since it's managing it's own history and the first thing snap will do after a revert is to re-update the packages | 10:20 |
| didrocks | jibel: the issue is that if you revert, you may expect to have the previous snap version and we would loose this (this is why we put it in system datasets) | 10:22 |
| didrocks | but correct after the auto-reupdate of boot | 10:22 |
| jibel | didrocks, with snaps we must also consider the data stored in the home directory. eg you do a system revert to a snapshot that had an old version of a snap and the user data in $home for this version of the snap has been purged | 10:26 |
| jibel | hardly fixable though | 10:26 |
| didrocks | indeed | 10:46 |
| duflu | Trevinho, if you can find an old Macbook Air (2010/2011 ish) then I think that's a fairly pure Nvidia-only system. And portable | 11:25 |
| Trevinho | ok, will look... not sure I would love to have apples in my flat though xD | 11:26 |
| duflu | No one will see you in your skivvy | 11:27 |
| duflu | or turtleneck | 11:28 |
| duflu | Trevinho, even the tiny 11 inch one that cimi had is pure Nvidia | 11:30 |
| duflu | or the old models anyway | 11:30 |
| duflu | Just an idea | 11:31 |
| * duflu -> dinner | 11:31 | |
| jbicha | seb128: ok, are you going to change the version tracker back to focal then? | 11:32 |
| seb128 | hey desktopers, would you be ok shifting the meeting to be half an hour later to not conflict with the roadmap sessions? | 13:01 |
| marcustomlinson | sure | 13:01 |
| didrocks | sure | 13:02 |
| seb128 | we could skip but it's probably good to at least review the ff incoming candidates | 13:02 |
| seb128 | thx | 13:02 |
| seb128 | I think we should be able to fit in the half hour | 13:02 |
| jibel | works for me | 13:09 |
| seb128 | jbicha, no, I'm hacking a report for focal, but at this point it's more important than we track stable updates in the LTS | 13:23 |
| seb128 | so it's a bit unfortunatat that you removed that report in favor of something we are not having real use of yet | 13:24 |
| hellsworth | good morning desktopers | 13:28 |
| oSoMoN | seb128, works for me | 13:28 |
| oSoMoN | good morning hellsworth | 13:28 |
| hellsworth | hi there oSoMoN | 13:29 |
| hellsworth | team meeting? | 13:32 |
| didrocks | hey hellsworth | 13:34 |
| didrocks | hellsworth FYI: 15:01:43 seb128 | hey desktopers, would you be ok shifting the meeting to be half an hour later to not conflict with the roadmap sessions? | 13:34 |
| didrocks | you can get another cup of tea/coffee :) | 13:34 |
| hellsworth | ah ok thanks | 13:34 |
| hellsworth | should have scrolled up :) | 13:34 |
| seb128 | k, let's do it then :) | 14:00 |
| hellsworth | okey dokey.. | 14:01 |
| seb128 | #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-04-28 | 14:01 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Tue Apr 28 14:01:10 2020 UTC. The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 14:01 |
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| seb128 | Roll call: didrocks, duflu (out), heather, jamesh (out), jibel, kenvandine (out?), laney (out?), marcustomlinson (out), oSoMoN, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out) | 14:01 |
| didrocks | hey | 14:01 |
| hellsworth | o/ | 14:01 |
| Laney | not out | 14:01 |
| marcustomlinson | \o | 14:01 |
| jibel | hola | 14:01 |
| seb128 | congrats on focal, feedback is looking good from what I saw | 14:01 |
| kenvandine | o/ | 14:02 |
| oSoMoN | o/ | 14:02 |
| seb128 | k, let's get started and try to fit in the half an hour | 14:02 |
| seb128 | #topic rls-bb-bug | 14:02 |
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| seb128 | http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html | 14:02 |
| seb128 | no desktop there | 14:02 |
| seb128 | http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html | 14:03 |
| seb128 | bug #1874893 | 14:03 |
| ubot5 | bug 1874893 in xdg-desktop-portal-gtk (Ubuntu) "Shouldn't hardcode gnome-software " [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1874893 | 14:03 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, looks like yours, please get it assigned to someone for bionic and focal | 14:03 |
| seb128 | and that's it for bionic | 14:03 |
| seb128 | #topic rls-ee-bug | 14:03 |
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| seb128 | http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html | 14:04 |
| seb128 | no desktop there | 14:04 |
| seb128 | http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-tracking-bug-tasks.html | 14:04 |
| seb128 | bug #1853768 got nominated for 19.10 | 14:04 |
| ubot5 | bug 1853768 in yaru-theme (Ubuntu Eoan) "Qt apps, like kid3-qt, which uses legacy icons "document-*.png", show them as normal document icon under Yaru theme" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1853768 | 14:04 |
| seb128 | Dmitry unassigned himself in fact because focal is out and he has no interest is still SRUing | 14:05 |
| seb128 | I think we should wontfix | 14:05 |
| Laney | yep | 14:05 |
| hellsworth | agree | 14:05 |
| seb128 | also we should probably wontfix some other assigned items that didn't move | 14:05 |
| seb128 | I will review the list and talk to people outside the meeting | 14:06 |
| seb128 | probably not worth SRUing for 19.10 at this point | 14:06 |
| seb128 | #topic rls-ff-bug | 14:06 |
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| seb128 | http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html | 14:06 |
| seb128 | skipping the first which is incompelete | 14:07 |
| seb128 | bug #1874047 is fixed in .2 and that's going to be a a security update | 14:07 |
| ubot5 | bug 1874047 in webkit2gtk (Ubuntu) "20.04 - Software Boutique - No Filter drop-down placement" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1874047 | 14:07 |
| seb128 | I'm going to rls-ff-notfixing since it's handled by security already | 14:08 |
| seb128 | bug #1874556 is fix commited, just needs triaging | 14:09 |
| ubot5 | bug 1874556 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "package libreoffice-common 1:6.4.2-0ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/libreoffice/share/basic/Access2Base/Application.xba', which is also in package libreoffice-base 1:6.0.7-0ubuntu0.18.04.10" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1874556 | 14:09 |
| seb128 | (and SRU team to wake up) | 14:09 |
| Laney | nominate/assign it | 14:09 |
| Laney | wants sru template too no? | 14:09 |
| seb128 | well, the fix is in the queue without bug reference | 14:09 |
| seb128 | https://launchpadlibrarian.net/475819279/libreoffice_6.4.3-0ubuntu0.20.04.1_source.changes | 14:10 |
| seb128 | I don't know if it's worth rejecting/asking for a new upload to add one | 14:10 |
| hellsworth | there is an open sru about 6.4.3 | 14:10 |
| seb128 | right | 14:10 |
| Laney | the bug referenced doesn't mention testing this scenario | 14:10 |
| seb128 | right, I mean I don't know if it needs to be formally included in the testing, but probably would be good to confirm it's tested | 14:10 |
| seb128 | Heather, can you update the bug to be SRU compliant? | 14:11 |
| hellsworth | i'll double check that 6.4.3 fixes this | 14:11 |
| seb128 | and mention it in the test plan from 6.4.3 | 14:11 |
| seb128 | thx | 14:11 |
| hellsworth | ok | 14:11 |
| seb128 | I will accept the nomination | 14:11 |
| seb128 | bug #1865824 | 14:11 |
| ubot5 | bug 1865824 in fprintd (Ubuntu) "Upgrade to 20.04 removes saved fingerprints" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1865824 | 14:11 |
| seb128 | Brian raised it up, Marco tagged it so we can discuss as a team | 14:12 |
| seb128 | my opinion was to -1 it as a rls bug | 14:12 |
| seb128 | the format changed and a migration isn't trivial | 14:12 |
| Trevinho | -1 as well :D | 14:12 |
| seb128 | it could be done but seeing that we had very few hardware supported and that fingerprint shouldn't be the only auth mechanism it seems low return value | 14:13 |
| Trevinho | but should be actually a 0, while team should decide | 14:13 |
| seb128 | other opinions? | 14:13 |
| oSoMoN | this should be mentioned in release notes though | 14:13 |
| seb128 | it is, see the bug | 14:13 |
| Trevinho | also... we were discussing with Ben, that given the image devices will change in future (tm) comparison method, it would probably trigger another incompatibility. And that is for good. | 14:14 |
| seb128 | 'Due to database format changes fprintd will remove all saved fingerprints, please ensure you have another mechanism for logging in (http://launchpad.net/bugs/1865824). ' on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseNotes | 14:14 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1865824 in fprintd (Ubuntu) "Upgrade to 20.04 removes saved fingerprints" [Low,Confirmed] | 14:14 |
| Trevinho | so, if not this LTS the next anywyas | 14:14 |
| didrocks | I think we shouldn’t plan to break it again as it seems we do though :/ | 14:14 |
| Laney | seems a bit unprofessional to do it, especially silently | 14:15 |
| didrocks | migrating user settings is crucial if we say we are supporting upgrades but that’s just my opinion | 14:15 |
| seb128 | wait | 14:15 |
| seb128 | let's not start with futur potential issue here | 14:15 |
| seb128 | and focus on the current situation | 14:15 |
| Trevinho | sure sure | 14:15 |
| seb128 | bionic didn't have fprintd pre-installed | 14:15 |
| Trevinho | nope | 14:15 |
| Trevinho | so not an LTS regression | 14:16 |
| seb128 | didrocks, Laney, you were speaking about bionic->focal upgrades or responding to Marco's futur plans comment? | 14:16 |
| didrocks | so on that one, I would -1 on rls bugging it (but reluctantly :p) | 14:16 |
| Laney | that's a dubious line in my opinion | 14:16 |
| Laney | like, you can use something before | 14:16 |
| Trevinho | yeah indeed was easy to install even in bionic | 14:16 |
| Laney | but as soon as *we* bless it, we can break your previous setup and that's ok | 14:16 |
| Laney | seems dodgy | 14:16 |
| didrocks | just responding to "it’s ok to break it this time and btw, we will rebreak it" | 14:16 |
| seb128 | Laney, I don't think it's ok | 14:17 |
| seb128 | I'm just trying to be realistic on the resources we have and how we can spend them | 14:17 |
| seb128 | ideally I would like to see the bionic configs migrated as well | 14:17 |
| seb128 | anyway | 14:17 |
| Laney | right, well I don't like the line of justification that's being used | 14:17 |
| Trevinho | I can look at how time could be needed... | 14:17 |
| seb128 | please +1 0 -1 | 14:17 |
| Trevinho | as per Ben's isn't trivial, but I didn't try with code yet | 14:18 |
| seb128 | I see, sorry I should probably have avoided to give arguments | 14:18 |
| oSoMoN | -1 but let's make sure we communicate clearly why (lack of resources) | 14:18 |
| Laney | I would at least try to tell people when they upgrade or reboot after upgrading or something | 14:18 |
| seb128 | ignore those and let's just vote, I'm happy to be overruled | 14:18 |
| Laney | +1 for doing *something* even if not migrating | 14:19 |
| seb128 | -1 from me for rls nomination | 14:19 |
| seb128 | I would still add it to lts-wishlist | 14:19 |
| didrocks | as said -1 relunctantly, but given the constraints… | 14:19 |
| seb128 | k, it's a reject then | 14:19 |
| seb128 | Laney, sorry, I agree we should try to fix it and will mention that when I comment and tag it for the lts-wishlist | 14:20 |
| Laney | bit of a bad path imho | 14:21 |
| Laney | but that's the way of voting | 14:21 |
| seb128 | right | 14:21 |
| seb128 | moving on | 14:21 |
| seb128 | bug #1874091 | 14:21 |
| ubot5 | bug 1874091 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "ubuntu-release-upgrader should use ubuntu-drivers and migrate people from nvidia-dkms to l-r-m" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1874091 | 14:21 |
| didrocks | l-r-m? | 14:22 |
| seb128 | the item there seems more for ubuntu-release-upgrader, it's not even clean what ubuntu-drivers-common change are expected? | 14:22 |
| jibel | the report is a bit dry | 14:22 |
| seb128 | linux-restricted-modules I guess? | 14:22 |
| Laney | yes | 14:22 |
| didrocks | ah | 14:22 |
| jibel | adding a rationale would help to have an opinion | 14:22 |
| seb128 | I will ask for details of what they expect from ubuntu-drivers | 14:22 |
| Laney | I think ubuntu-drivers has all the functionality already | 14:23 |
| seb128 | good :) | 14:23 |
| seb128 | k, moving on | 14:23 |
| seb128 | bug #1874148 | 14:23 |
| ubot5 | bug 1874148 in gnome-initial-setup (Ubuntu) ""I wish I knew how to quit you!"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1874148 | 14:23 |
| seb128 | that's a known bug/duplicate | 14:23 |
| seb128 | the quit item on the dock context menu works | 14:24 |
| jibel | I like the title | 14:24 |
| marcustomlinson | :D | 14:24 |
| seb128 | would be nice to fix but -1 to rls nominate for me | 14:24 |
| seb128 | indeed, nice title :) | 14:24 |
| didrocks | well, that was a design decision, no? | 14:24 |
| seb128 | no, it was working in bionic iirc | 14:25 |
| Laney | that was a bug | 14:25 |
| seb128 | we don't have a quit button on the UI by design | 14:25 |
| jibel | yes but that was a bug | 14:25 |
| didrocks | ah, I thought that was on purpose | 14:25 |
| Laney | but it shouldn't show the non working quit | 14:25 |
| seb128 | but we said the item in the shell should work | 14:25 |
| Laney | that is the bug here | 14:25 |
| didrocks | ah ok. it’s only on the right click | 14:25 |
| Laney | which is probably not rls | 14:25 |
| didrocks | ack, got it, sorry | 14:25 |
| didrocks | but yeah, not rls for me -1 | 14:25 |
| seb128 | good, notfixing then | 14:26 |
| seb128 | bug #1869747 is incomplete, skipping | 14:26 |
| ubot5 | bug 1869747 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "Recent changes have caused Xorg to fail to start. Possibly nvidia driver related." [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1869747 | 14:26 |
| seb128 | bug #1874207 | 14:26 |
| ubot5 | bug 1874207 in mutter (Ubuntu) "Compiler warnings in x11-Add-support-for-fractional-scaling-using-Randr.patch" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1874207 | 14:26 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, one for you? | 14:26 |
| Trevinho | yep | 14:26 |
| Laney | champagne wtf | 14:27 |
| Trevinho | not sure is rls but.. | 14:27 |
| seb128 | Daniel commented on some of the other fractional scalling/nvidia tickets that it has consequence on the behaviour of those bugs | 14:27 |
| seb128 | like he said the nvidia loosing signal happening randomly for him and is not random anymore when fixing the warning | 14:27 |
| seb128 | unsure why he just didn't submit a patch though... | 14:27 |
| Trevinho | not sure about, need to check, I didn't notice, when compiling locally, but will handle those indeed | 14:28 |
| seb128 | Laney, and yeah, I'm going to talk to him about the tag use again I think... | 14:28 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, thx | 14:28 |
| seb128 | k, that's it for the incoming | 14:28 |
| seb128 | http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html | 14:28 |
| seb128 | bug #1856410 | 14:28 |
| ubot5 | bug 1856410 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Focal) "ubiquity prompts for a MOK password that it then does not use" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1856410 | 14:28 |
| Laney | oh we get ubiquity bugs now? | 14:29 |
| seb128 | no, ubuntu-drivers-common ones | 14:29 |
| seb128 | tseliot, could you look at the request from foundations there? | 14:30 |
| seb128 | unsure what to do with this one | 14:30 |
| seb128 | does anyone has an opinion? | 14:30 |
| didrocks | opinon: the whole Mok enrolling experience is weird, you don’t really know what to do when rebooting | 14:31 |
| didrocks | so not the most buggy of the experience IMHO | 14:31 |
| hellsworth | opinion: seems like a real problem that should be fixed sooner than later | 14:31 |
| hellsworth | nobody should be forced to use secure boot of all things | 14:32 |
| Laney | it is a good one for .1 | 14:32 |
| Laney | if someone has the time | 14:32 |
| seb128 | I will ask foundations if they plan to work on it | 14:32 |
| jibel | +1 for .1, many people install 3rsd party for nvidia and it doesn't require enrollment | 14:32 |
| seb128 | and maybe Alberto can do the u-d-c changes | 14:32 |
| seb128 | thx Laney, jibel | 14:32 |
| seb128 | k, that's it for bugs then | 14:32 |
| seb128 | #topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages | 14:33 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/mxaCZTVc | GNOME 3.36 work claiming / tracking: https://trello.com/b/z29JJK3q/gnome-336 | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-04-28 | Current topic: update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages | ||
| seb128 | https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages | 14:33 |
| tseliot | seb128, it makes sense, and I can make those changes to u-d-c | 14:33 |
| seb128 | tseliot, thanks! | 14:33 |
| seb128 | I'm assigning to you then :) | 14:33 |
| seb128 | ^ I'm taking the opportunity to say that the new 'groovy' serie is open and autosync already started | 14:33 |
| seb128 | we are not going to review proposed item today, let's wait for the initial hit to settle down | 14:34 |
| seb128 | #topic AOB | 14:34 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/mxaCZTVc | GNOME 3.36 work claiming / tracking: https://trello.com/b/z29JJK3q/gnome-336 | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-04-28 | Current topic: AOB | ||
| seb128 | any other topic? | 14:34 |
| didrocks | nothing for me | 14:34 |
| seb128 | one note from me | 14:34 |
| Trevinho | all clear here | 14:35 |
| seb128 | I set up an hackish stripped down focal-versions script mostly for GNOME, to make easier to see what SRU to need to do on the LTS | 14:35 |
| seb128 | https://people.canonical.com/~platform/desktop/focal/desktop-packages.html | 14:35 |
| seb128 | I will probably make it update once a day which is enough for stable | 14:35 |
| seb128 | I do plan to clean up the code and put in a branch at some point but meanwhile if you would like some other package to be added or tweaks feel free to ping me | 14:36 |
| seb128 | I also added cards for GNOME SRU to the common board, they are tagged SRU, help would be welcome if some of you want to grab updates | 14:36 |
| seb128 | 14:36 | |
| seb128 | that's it from me | 14:36 |
| seb128 | sorry we went slightly over the half hour | 14:36 |
| seb128 | anything else? | 14:36 |
| seb128 | seems not | 14:38 |
| seb128 | thanks! | 14:38 |
| seb128 | #endmeeting | 14:38 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/mxaCZTVc | GNOME 3.36 work claiming / tracking: https://trello.com/b/z29JJK3q/gnome-336 | ||
| meetingology | Meeting ended Tue Apr 28 14:38:07 2020 UTC. | 14:38 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2020/ubuntu-desktop.2020-04-28-14.01.moin.txt | 14:38 |
| hellsworth | thanks!! | 14:38 |
| marcustomlinson | thanks | 14:39 |
| oSoMoN | thanks | 14:39 |
| didrocks | thanks! | 14:40 |
| jibel | thank you everyone | 14:40 |
| Laney | seb128: are you following up with debian / groovy uploads for those srus? | 15:16 |
| Laney | (I know salsa is down atm) | 15:16 |
| seb128 | Laney, yes, half of those are already synced to groovy, 2 are pending Debian to be back to sync, eog is pending salsa to be back for me to be able to push | 15:34 |
| Laney | ok good | 15:35 |
| Laney | omg | 15:57 |
| Laney | I finally upgraded my dev container to focal from disco just now | 15:57 |
| Laney | lintian generates *clickable links* | 15:57 |
| Laney | looooooooove ittttt | 16:00 |
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| robert_ancell | hellsworth, hi, online? | 21:30 |
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