[02:52] <studionoob> Hello, I just finished installed Ubuntu Studio to a mid 2012 macbook pro, i can't get the audio working right and i can't really find a good beginner walk through anywhere please holp
[03:02] <makesart> hello. Looking for a bit of help, please?     I was upgrading from 19.10 to 20.x bia bash.  I clumsily hit the wrong key on a file version compare toward the end of the upgrade script and detached the process from the screen. I know the PID. I don't have screen, reptyr or retty installed. What should I do? Can I restore the locked process to the
[03:02] <makesart> screen?
[03:05] <makesart> no one on?
[03:16] <needshelpnoob> Hello, I am new to Linux and Ubuntu Studio and I just installed 18.04.4 LTS bionic beaver
[03:17] <needshelpnoob> I'm on a mid 2012 macbook pro and I need assistance setting up and configuring
[03:18] <makesart> Hello. I'm hoping someone can assist.     I was upgrading US 19.10 to 20.x via bash. Toward the end, on a file compare I clumsily bumped a wrong key and lost the upgrade process from the screen. I have the PID (shows locked), how can I restore it to the screen or finish it? I don't have screen, retty or reptyr installed. Can anyone help? Thanks.
[03:23] <makesart> is anyone online?
[03:37] <Eickmeyer[m]> makesart: You would be better served in #ubuntu.
[03:38] <makesart> ok.  It is ubuntu studio though
[03:38] <makesart> but that's better for this question?
[03:39] <Eickmeyer[m]> makesart: What makes you think it's a separate distribution? It's a Flavor of Ubuntu, not something different entirely.
[03:40] <Eickmeyer[m]> needshelpnoob: Ubuntu Studio did not release 18.04 as an LTS release. Consider installing 20.04.
[03:41] <makesart> Well, I don't think it's a separate distro. whatever I did to make you reply rudely, I apologize.
[03:42] <makesart> And, the topic of this channel IS:   Ubuntu Studio 20.04 LTS is out! https://ubuntustudio.org/2020/04/ubuntu-studio-20-04-lts-released/
[03:42] <Eickmeyer[m]> makesart: your issue is not specific to Ubuntu Studio. #ubuntu supports all flavors equally with this kind of thing.
[03:43] <makesart> doesn't that state Ubuntu Studio 20.04 is released?
[03:45] <makesart> I'll ask there, but I have no idea why you would be so rufe. I've done nor said nothing to offend, inappropriate, or a rules violation.  Good luck with your anger.
[03:45] <Eickmeyer> makesart: You were in here looking for help earlier. The rule is that if someone CAN help you, they will respond. You came in here a second time and I told you where you might be able to find better help.
[03:46] <Eickmeyer> I"m just stressed. my wife might have COVID.
[03:46] <Eickmeyer> I"m not angry, and I did not mean to come across as angry. But we get that mentality a lot in here.
[03:47] <makesart> well the first time, the server didn't seem to accept my ident, so I didn't think it posted.   I hope your wife is ok  I've had over 20 surgeries to date, am wheelchair bound, can't drive or travel on my own, but I'm still pleasant.
[03:47] <makesart> thank you
[03:49] <Eickmeyer> makesart: You're welcome. Sorry about all of that. I just want to make sure you actually get help and don't try to needlessly stay to one channel.
[03:50] <makesart> Thanks, but no. That was clearly not your original intention.  Good luck.
[03:50] <Eickmeyer> makesart: But is WAS. Don't assume bad faith.
[08:22] <zmagii> Eickmeyer: All the best man, hope she'll be OK.
[08:23] <zmagii> OvenWerks: If you are around, I'm quite interested to understand better how those Harrison workstations use Ardour...
[08:23] <StevenJayCohen> HArrison is a superset of Ardour
[08:24] <zmagii> Do they mantain Ardour then, or contribute?
[08:26] <StevenJayCohen> zmagii: my info may be outdated, but the relationship used to be like Canonical and Debian
[08:27] <StevenJayCohen> I was assessing Ardour or Mixbus for a deploy in a studio
[08:28] <zmagii> Oh, that's interesting.
[08:28] <zmagii> It's a more sustainable software relationship if one does that.
[08:29] <zmagii> Did you end up using Ardour in that project?
[08:29] <StevenJayCohen> https://discourse.ardour.org/t/ardour-vs-mixbus/100531
[08:29] <StevenJayCohen> No actually, Reaper https://reaper.fm won out on that one
[08:30] <zmagii> Are you a sound engineer?
[08:31] <StevenJayCohen> Yes, and for our uses Ardour would have been a better fit than Mixbus. We record a lot of spoken word stuff (audiobooks, voiceover, etc)
[08:32] <StevenJayCohen> We've got Reaper on Ubuntu Studio deployed everywhere now
[08:32] <zmagii> People who install high quality (or, let say, "high attention to detail") sound systems are like people who start new software companies---very commited and talented---except they never get the pay day of a Sergei Brin or Larry Page
[08:32] <StevenJayCohen> Since this isn't support related, we really should move this to #ubuntustudio-offtopic
[08:32] <zmagii> No problem
[08:33] <StevenJayCohen> catch you there!
[16:27] <wingedrhino> Is there a cli version of ubuntustudio-installer I can run alongside scripts to provision a fresh laptop? I just want it to dump a list of packages to install after I select everything.
[16:29] <wingedrhino> Also, why am I unable to exit the GUI once the installer has started? I'm running the downloads from multiple 4G hotspots, each of which has a limited daily data quota. So I need to change my WiFi half way through the downloads...
[16:29] <OvenWerks> apt is not very good at being stopped in the middle
[16:30] <OvenWerks> wingedrhino: it sounds like you would be best to use apt download from cli
[16:30] <OvenWerks> the list of packages is: ubuntustudio-audio
[16:30] <OvenWerks>         ubuntustudio-menu
[16:30] <OvenWerks>         linux-lowlatency
[16:30] <OvenWerks>         ubuntustudio-graphics
[16:30] <OvenWerks>         ubuntustudio-photography
[16:30] <OvenWerks>         ubuntustudio-publishing
[16:30] <OvenWerks>         ubuntustudio-video
[16:31] <OvenWerks>         ubuntustudio-lowlatency-settings
[16:31] <OvenWerks>         ubuntustudio-performance-tweaks
[16:31] <OvenWerks>         ubuntustudio-wallpapers
[16:31] <OvenWerks>         carla
[16:31] <OvenWerks>         ubuntustudio-branding-common"
[16:31] <Eickmeyer> !paste | OvenWerks: WOAH WOAH!
[16:31] <Eickmeyer> The bot will get angry.
[16:31] <OvenWerks>  :)
[16:31] <OvenWerks> I was hopping it would be one line
[16:31] <OvenWerks> *hoping?
[16:32] <Eickmeyer> Hoping. :)
[16:34] <Eickmeyer> Either way, wingedrhino, what you could do is run it, install some of the meta packages, switch your connection, then install some more.
[16:34] <OvenWerks> wingedrhino: if you do the apt download first... maybe splittiing the packages between hotspots
[16:34] <OvenWerks> after you have finished download an apt install will install the already downloaded parts
[16:35] <OvenWerks> wingedrhino: also you can choose not to install all of the packages if you are not interested in functionallity of one or more of the packages
[16:37] <OvenWerks> it appears the sickness is headed for a second peak already in BC
[16:37] <OvenWerks> :P
[16:37] <wingedrhino> OvenWerks: that's it? Really? What's the fancy GUI for then?
[16:38] <wingedrhino> Yeah I can easily type that out by hand lol
[16:38] <OvenWerks> for two things... there are people who just install every package that is ubuntustudio-* and that leads to errors
[16:39] <OvenWerks> and it does some other things like put the user into the audio group and make sure jack is installed with RT memaccess
[16:40] <OvenWerks> So make sure to run ubuntustudio-controls at least once and click in the fix real time permisions button
[16:41] <wingedrhino> Aah okay. Makes sense!
[16:42] <OvenWerks> wingedrhino: really, the GUI is for people who are afraid of CLI.
[16:43] <wingedrhino> Aah yes. When jack installs, it usually asks you half way through the installer for rt memaccess. Any way I can make this unattended?
[16:44] <OvenWerks> man apt
[16:45] <OvenWerks> actually I think for that you would need to use apt-get
[16:47] <OvenWerks> so apt-get install --download-only
[16:50] <OvenWerks> then apt-get install --yes
[16:55] <wingedrhino> I actually do apt install -y already
[16:55] <Eickmeyer> That's true. apt is for command-line usage, apt-get is for script (automated) usage.
[16:56] <wingedrhino> Wait they're two DIFFERENT things?
[16:59] <wingedrhino> Also, what does ubuntustudio-menu contain?
[16:59] <wingedrhino> I'm installing Ubuntu Studio in a KDE system BTW
[17:00] <Eickmeyer> wingedrhino: ubuntustudio-menu will organize your menu. You'll want it.
[17:00] <Eickmeyer> Otherwise you'll end up with stuff either not showing up or somewhere you don't expect.
[17:00] <Eickmeyer> But if you want to get technical: https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio-menu/tree/
[17:01] <Eickmeyer> wingedrhino: kubuntu?
[17:10] <wingedrhino> Eickmeyer: I wanted KDE. So started with a base install of Kubuntu.
[17:10] <Eickmeyer> wingedrhino: That's completely supported, and part of the purpose behind ubuntustudio-installer.
[17:11] <Eickmeyer> wingedrhino: Everything that is available in ubuntstudio-installer is made to be installed on any desktop environment. We were very intentional about that.
[17:21] <wingedrhino> Aah okay. And I suppose the metapackage names are identical in ubuntustudio-installer and the repos?
[17:22] <OvenWerks> wingedrhino: as happens I have done the same thing here
[17:22] <OvenWerks> yes
[17:22] <OvenWerks> they are package names
[17:24] <wingedrhino> Perfect!'
[17:36] <Eickmeyer> areyouloco: Do me a favor and fix your connection issues if you can. :)
[19:07] <john6> Hi everyone. Can someone explain or be more specific why "Due to kernel compatibility reasons, Firewire devices are no longer supported." with latest ubuntustudio?
[19:08] <OvenWerks> the fw stack has been incorperated into alsa
[19:08] <OvenWerks> so if your fw device shows up as an alsa device it is supported in that way
[19:09] <OvenWerks> however, if that stack does not suit your device, ubuntustudio-controls can not help.
[19:09] <john6> Does this mean I won't be able to use my Firewire audio interfaces?
[19:09] <OvenWerks> see above
[19:10] <john6> Oh, thanks OvenWerks. What about that FFADO thing?
[19:10] <john6> FFADO
[19:10] <OvenWerks> If you need faddo, it will work about the same as it has in the past: blacklist the alsa modules, and use qjackctl to start.
[19:11] <john6> I need my glasses. Wait, I don't have a pair.
[19:13] <OvenWerks> I (finally) got an older fw device myself (echo audiofire 12) and for me it doesn't show up at all. So either my device is bad or the cable is bad (I have tried about 3 FW cards) or the kernel is not playing nice with with this unit.
[19:13] <OvenWerks> other people have reported more success
[19:14] <john6> OvenWerks: Same procedure as before: choosing firewire (driver?)at qjackctl?
[19:14] <OvenWerks> I am not sure.
[19:15] <OvenWerks> if you have used fw with a recent studio and it worked that way it still should
[19:15] <john6> OvenWerks: Ok, but thanks for sharing your experiences with this.
[19:16] <OvenWerks> in this case "unsupported" means it may work but we can't help you with it :)
[19:16] <john6> Yes, with 16.04. no probs.
[19:16]  * OvenWerks doesn't remember when the kernel started shipping the alsa fw drivers
[19:17] <OvenWerks> It may still work.
[19:19] <john6> I guess I just have to try and not be sad when it doesn't work. I would be glad to hear experiences from other people.
[19:20] <OvenWerks> john6: when you plug it in first do a aplay -l
[19:20] <OvenWerks> see if your fw box is listed there
[19:20] <OvenWerks> if it is, then it is supported by alsa
[19:23] <john6> Yeah thanks, this may come handy.
[19:23] <OvenWerks> if not, try qjackctl... if that doesn't work take  look at: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Professional_audio#FireWire
[19:24] <OvenWerks> I thought there was a better link than that
[19:26] <john6> I'm quite comfortable with qjackctl. I'll bookmark that link for future reference too.
[19:28] <OvenWerks> arch had a page that showed how to blacklist the alsa kernel modules etc.
[19:29] <john6> Oh yes, blacklisting. I've never done it but I think I understand the concept.
[19:29] <OvenWerks> waht was nice is that it had a list of alsa fw modules to BL
[19:30] <OvenWerks> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/JACK_Audio_Connection_Kit#Firewire
[19:30] <john6> So that page no longer is nowhere to be found?
[19:31] <OvenWerks> i was having problems finding my bookmark :)
[19:31] <john6> I'm slow... oh yes. thanks
[19:42] <john6> Well, I think for now I won't be breaking my old system. Must get a different drive for test installation.
[19:43] <OvenWerks> john6: great idea
[19:43] <john6> Yeah. But it's so new and shiny and...
[19:44] <john6> but no, I aint gonna fix it if ain't broken...
[19:46] <OvenWerks> if I can get my machine to at least recognize my device, I may be in a position to ofer better help
[19:47] <john6> OvenWerks: cool, best of luck!
[19:53] <john6> OvenWerks: It would be such waste if working technology just stopped working just becauce...
[20:01] <OvenWerks> john6: that is my feeling about dropping 32bit cpu support too. I have two perfectly fine 32 bit machines here that I can't upgrade
[20:05] <OvenWerks> john6: this page has some stuff on switching stacks/ blacklisting: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FireWire/DigitalAudio/OlderReleases
[20:06] <john6> Well that sucks. Although, I think this linux thing is much better in the sense of preventing planned obsolesence. When you ythink about it it's just politics and resources basically.
[20:06] <OvenWerks> it is quite old and the "old ffado" modules are no longer shipped with our kernels
[20:10] <john6> There's of course the route of "freezing" your old system to what is/was and see if it's still usefull.
[20:10] <OvenWerks> that is what I have done with my laptop. but my server is going to need an upgrade.
[20:11] <john6> Yep, internet won't freeze, ever.
[20:12] <OvenWerks> I already have some trouble with clients connecting that no longer support something or other.
[20:12] <OvenWerks> I could go one more step with that (16 to 18) but that is the end.
[20:15] <john6> "...if the darn thing would just break!" :]
[20:15] <OvenWerks> I have had newer stuff break...
[20:15] <john6> GOOD point!
[20:17] <OvenWerks> maybe there is lead in solder or something...
[20:17] <john6> Haha...LOL!
[20:28] <john6> OvenWerks: What do you think if I asked alsa people about this firewire situation. And how should I approach?
[20:29] <OvenWerks> with a willingness to do a lot of work for them. Run wierd commands and send them the output... perhaps after installing strange packages :)
[20:30] <OvenWerks> A willingness to build the alsa modules, etc.
[20:30] <OvenWerks> Or, if you are close to one of them, lend them your box.
[20:30] <OvenWerks> (beer may be helpful too, I don't know)
[20:33] <john6> Ok, I'm just average guitar playing musician. I'm not in that level of understanding computers.
[20:35] <john6> Isn't there anywhere somekind of compatibility list of equipment that should work?
[20:35] <john6> I mean at alsa resources.
[20:37] <john6> Maybe I should jusk ask that.
[20:42] <john6> just asked...
[21:36] <john6> OvenWerks: Are you familiar with this? Just thought if it's any help for you. http://www.ffado.org/?q=node/71
[21:46] <OvenWerks> looks like I should try the oldest iso I can find (12.04 I think) and try with that
[21:46] <OvenWerks> Maybe I will also try avl. I really need to make sure I have working HW
[21:47] <OvenWerks> I don't care much about 192 Khz operation... 48Khz is the standard in my studio
[21:52] <housecat> http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/ has them for Ubuntu all the way back to 4.10. dunno if there's an equivalent for flavors somewhere
[21:54] <john6> 48kHz/24 is way to go!
[22:22] <john6> OvenWerks: Do you know what. I just heard that firewire is fine with 20.04. Misunderstanding release notes! It was "ubuntustudio controls" that don't support firewire. Whatever that means.
[22:26] <OvenWerks> -controls will not allow one to choose the firewire backend for jack, but if the firewire device shows up as an alsa device then it will show up.
[22:30] <john6> I don't even know what those controls are. Are they mandatory?
[22:44] <Eickmeyer> !ubuntustudio-controls | john6
[22:45] <Eickmeyer> TL;DR: It's the part of Ubuntu Studio that makes Jack easy.
[23:14] <john6> Eickmeyer: Oh, I see I've got support here. Thanks! They were different in previous versions so I must look into it myself of course. I'll make new installation to new(old) harddrive first to test it first.
[23:15] <john6> ubottu:  Thanks for the link!
[23:15] <john6> just when I posted haha..