=== housecat is now known as dax [03:05] good morning [05:41] good morning [06:12] Good morning [09:33] !info e17 [09:33] 'focal' is not a valid distribution: bionic, bionic-backports, bionic-proposed, cosmic, cosmic-backports, cosmic-proposed, disco, disco-backports, disco-proposed, eoan, eoan-backports, eoan-proposed, kubuntu-backports, kubuntu-experimental, kubuntu-updates, partner, precise, precise-backports, precise-proposed, stable, testing, trusty, trusty-backports, trusty-proposed, unstable, xenial, xenial-backports, xenial-proposed [09:53] absence: the difference between a support question and a discussion: [09:54] can you help me with making java work i need it for program x [09:54] discussion: please explain me why openjdk 13 has been removed from the repos [09:55] absence: we try to divide discussions and support questions into the right channels [09:55] answer: it was never there [09:55] lotuspsychje: to me they both look like support questions, but i'm happy to ask here if that's better :) [09:57] ducasse: what do you mean? [09:57] https://packages.ubuntu.com/source/eoan/openjdk-13 [09:57] !info openjdk-13 eoan [09:58] Package openjdk-13 does not exist in eoan [09:59] !info openjdk-13-jdk eoan [09:59] openjdk-13-jdk (source: openjdk-13): OpenJDK Development Kit (JDK). In component universe, is optional. Version 13+33-1 (eoan), package size 10 kB, installed size 53 kB [09:59] !info openjdk-13-jdk focal [09:59] 'focal' is not a valid distribution: bionic, bionic-backports, bionic-proposed, cosmic, cosmic-backports, cosmic-proposed, disco, disco-backports, disco-proposed, eoan, eoan-backports, eoan-proposed, kubuntu-backports, kubuntu-experimental, kubuntu-updates, partner, precise, precise-backports, precise-proposed, stable, testing, trusty, trusty-backports, trusty-proposed, unstable, xenial, xenial-backports, xenial-proposed [09:59] ducasse: confusing [10:00] launchpad lists it as a debian package only [10:00] absence: tell us why you need 13 for exactly? [10:01] ducasse: it was in 19.10 and was removed, but there's no info in the release notes, so i'm just trying to find out what is the ubuntu way to install it [10:01] if it's not in the repos there is no official way [10:02] lotuspsychje: development at work [10:02] absence: wich feature do you need from 13 you dont have in 11? [10:04] lotuspsychje: i've no idea, it's what all the projects are set up for [10:04] absence: try 11 and let us know what you miss? [10:18] lotuspsychje: looks like something is specifically looking for java 13 [10:18] anyway, if there's no ubuntu package for it anymore, i'll just get it from java.net [10:19] absence: 'something' ? [10:20] lotuspsychje: yes, something. i'm not about to spend time on what it is when i can fix it by installing the version we're using :) [10:22] you could look for a third party repo [10:22] absence: did you actually try 11? [10:23] it's not really advisable to go backwards with things like java, functions could be used that simply don't exist in an earlier edition [10:24] however, it also doesn't make sense that you would rush to adopt a newer LTS [10:25] im pretty curious about what actually not working in 11 [10:26] daftykins: i'm not on lts, this is just a dev machine, not the prod server [10:27] absence: but your original question was why 20.04 dint have 13 right [10:27] absence: are you not asking about openjdk on focal? i.e. 20.04 i.e. LTS [10:28] devs work on stable hosts in order to target stable releases. [10:28] daftykins: well yes, but i upgraded from 19.10, so i'm not following lts releases [10:31] lts wasn't viable last time because of hardware support issues, but focal seems to work, so maybe it's a good idea to stay on lts this time [10:52] lotuspsychje: discovered has a wifi that is supported only by rtl8812au-dkms in the repos [10:53] I wonder if it has not been patched for 20.04 [10:53] jeremy31: he's on 20.04 [10:54] his system seems up to date with kernel 5.4 -28 too [10:56] He is using an out of tree unsigned module from the dmesg [10:56] oh? [10:57] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rtl8812au/+bug/1875016 [10:57] Ubuntu bug 1875016 in rtl8812au (Ubuntu) "Driver doesn't work on Ubuntu 20.04 " [Undecided,New] [10:58] Last change to rtl8812au-dkms was July 2019 [10:59] tnx jeremy31 [10:59] It might be best to file a new bug report with apport info [10:59] yeah [11:02] jeremy31: requested an apport-collect on that bug [14:52] leftyfb: zahnx is being trolly since few days, offensive and all [16:06] ok, I'm done. Nothing but a bunch of trolls in there today