[03:05] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[05:41] <ducasse> good morning
[06:12] <lordievader> Good morning
[09:33] <lotuspsychje> !info e17
[09:53] <lotuspsychje> absence: the difference between a support question and a discussion:
[09:54] <lotuspsychje> can you help me with making java work i need it for program x
[09:54] <lotuspsychje> discussion: please explain me why openjdk 13 has been removed from the repos
[09:55] <lotuspsychje> absence: we try to divide discussions and support questions into the right channels
[09:55] <ducasse> answer: it was never there
[09:55] <absence> lotuspsychje: to me they both look like support questions, but i'm happy to ask here if that's better :)
[09:57] <absence> ducasse: what do you mean?
[09:57] <absence> https://packages.ubuntu.com/source/eoan/openjdk-13
[09:57] <ducasse> !info openjdk-13 eoan
[09:59] <absence> !info openjdk-13-jdk eoan
[09:59] <absence> !info openjdk-13-jdk focal
[09:59] <absence> ducasse: confusing
[10:00] <ducasse> launchpad lists it as a debian package only
[10:00] <lotuspsychje> absence: tell us why you need 13 for exactly?
[10:01] <absence> ducasse: it was in 19.10 and was removed, but there's no info in the release notes, so i'm just trying to find out what is the ubuntu way to install it
[10:01] <ducasse> if it's not in the repos there is no official way
[10:02] <absence> lotuspsychje: development at work
[10:02] <lotuspsychje> absence: wich feature do you need from 13 you dont have in 11?
[10:04] <absence> lotuspsychje: i've no idea, it's what all the projects are set up for
[10:04] <lotuspsychje> absence: try 11 and let us know what you miss?
[10:18] <absence> lotuspsychje: looks like something is specifically looking for java 13
[10:18] <absence> anyway, if there's no ubuntu package for it anymore, i'll just get it from java.net
[10:19] <lotuspsychje> absence: 'something' ?
[10:20] <absence> lotuspsychje: yes, something. i'm not about to spend time on what it is when i can fix it by installing the version we're using :)
[10:22] <ducasse> you could look for a third party repo
[10:22] <lotuspsychje> absence: did you actually try 11?
[10:23] <daftykins> it's not really advisable to go backwards with things like java, functions could be used that simply don't exist in an earlier edition
[10:24] <daftykins> however, it also doesn't make sense that you would rush to adopt a newer LTS
[10:25] <lotuspsychje> im pretty curious about what actually not working in 11
[10:26] <absence> daftykins: i'm not on lts, this is just a dev machine, not the prod server
[10:27] <lotuspsychje> absence: but your original question was why 20.04 dint have 13 right
[10:27] <daftykins> absence: are you not asking about openjdk on focal? i.e. 20.04 i.e. LTS
[10:28] <daftykins> devs work on stable hosts in order to target stable releases.
[10:28] <absence> daftykins: well yes, but i upgraded from 19.10, so i'm not following lts releases
[10:31] <absence> lts wasn't viable last time because of hardware support issues, but focal seems to work, so maybe it's a good idea to stay on lts this time
[10:52] <jeremy31> lotuspsychje: discovered has a wifi that is supported only by rtl8812au-dkms in the repos
[10:53] <jeremy31> I wonder if it has not been patched for 20.04
[10:53] <lotuspsychje> jeremy31: he's on 20.04
[10:54] <lotuspsychje> his system seems up to date with kernel 5.4 -28 too
[10:56] <jeremy31> He is using an out of tree unsigned module from the dmesg
[10:56] <lotuspsychje> oh?
[10:57] <jeremy31> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rtl8812au/+bug/1875016
[10:58] <jeremy31> Last change to rtl8812au-dkms was July 2019
[10:59] <lotuspsychje> tnx jeremy31
[10:59] <jeremy31> It might be best to file a new bug report with apport info
[10:59] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[11:02] <lotuspsychje> jeremy31: requested an apport-collect on that bug
[14:52] <lotuspsychje> leftyfb: zahnx is being trolly since few days, offensive and all
[16:06] <leftyfb> ok, I'm done. Nothing but a bunch of trolls in there today