 Check this release noted regarding certified oem https://ubuntu.com/blog/whats-new-in-ubuntu-desktop-20-04-lts
 Tier-1 OEM support … Ubuntu is used extensively throughout the enterprise, government, public sectors and education. To meet the demand for pre-loaded hardware from these areas, Canonical is committed to working closely with Dell, HP and Lenovo. Here are some examples of the work we do for our OEM partners that adds value to all users of Linux on the desktop. … Starting with Ubuntu Desktop 20.04 LTS, it is now possible to obtai
 I want to know if Kubuntu will include this new enablement feature or if I have to use stock Ubuntu
 como dedis
[02:38] <FurryFennec> Loving Kubuntu 20.04 so far!
 ditto :)
[03:04] <valorie> @ace_player I think not; that is for paid Canonical customers I believe
 No it’s for anyone who had a certified device
 Has*
[03:05] <valorie> well, the Kubuntu Focus machine is pre-loaded with Kubuntu
[03:06] <valorie> you could ask them, I guess: https://kfocus.org/
[03:07] <valorie> https://kde.org/hardware has some more, like Zareason
[03:07] <valorie> I don't have a clue whether they are an "oem partner" or not
 I don’t think they are
 It’s possible this is part of the Ubuntu base as it’s related to firmware config and power management.   But I don’t know if it’s only enabled in stock such as the Zfs snapshots
[04:32] <Jame> hello
 Sup
[04:59] <Jame> learning KDE :)
[05:00] <valorie> learning Plasma, or all our software and people?
[05:00] <valorie> :-)
[05:02] <Jame> hello valorie
[05:02] <Jame> nice to see you agin
[05:02] <valorie> hi again
[05:02] <Jame> I am really enjoy my shift to Kubuntu
[05:02] <valorie> enjoying your new install?
[05:02] <valorie> oh, good
[05:02] <Jame> yes yes
[05:02] <Jame> :)
[05:03] <Jame> Even Konversation is awesome, easy to use
[05:03] <Jame> I had nothing of this sort before
[05:03] <valorie> yes, it's completely awesome
[05:03] <valorie> before, I had only used mIRC
[05:04] <valorie> Konvi completely won me over and let me leave all Win software behind
[05:04] <valorie> it was awhile after that I found the KDE community
[05:04] <Jame> :)
[05:05] <Jame> IRC is good. When you have an app like Konversation
[05:05] <Jame> I have tried KDE a couple of years back
[05:05] <Jame> Someone told me it is like Windows
[05:06] <Jame> But it had too much grey in Windows when I tried
[05:06] <Jame> But now, it is really polished
[05:06] <Jame> I think some new version of qt, right ?
[05:09] <valorie> KDE is a community
[05:09] <valorie> qt keeps upgrading, true
[05:09] <Jame> Like Gnome ?
[05:09] <valorie> and so do we
[05:09] <Jame> sorry, didn
[05:10] <Jame> didn't follow*
[05:10] <valorie> gnome uses gtk, which is an entirely different toolkit
[05:10] <Jame> Qt is different from KDE ?
[05:10] <valorie> yes
[05:10] <valorie> it's a toolkit we use
[05:10] <valorie> others use it as well
[05:10] <valorie> even Microsoft
[05:10] <valorie> :-)
[05:10] <Jame> I see
[05:10] <valorie> works on phones, in cars, etc.
[05:11] <Jame> I am only good things to say about default appearence in Kubuntu
[05:11] <Jame> phone and cars !!
[05:11] <Jame> awesome
 GTK was a cool toolkit made by Gnome, it is very cool but only works properly in some linux distros
[05:11] <valorie> and most KDE software runs everywhere too
 QT is other case, it works basically everywhere
[05:11] <valorie> yep
 You know telegram?
 pure qt
[05:11] <valorie> yup
[05:11] <Jame> Is it ?
 yup
[05:12] <Jame> +1
[05:12] <valorie> well, it's a toolkit
 telegram = qt + custom protocol
[05:12] <valorie> so not *just* Qt
 yeah
[05:12] <Jame> I see
[05:12] <Jame> I have never seen anything in default Linux this beautiful
 i really like both QT and GTK, but gtk has very very bad design choices
[05:12] <valorie> there are lots of Qt apps around that are not made by KDE
 KDE is just freaking awesome
[05:13] <valorie> we are!
[05:13] <Jame> got it :)
 yes
 kde is a community, is not a specific company, i mean, is a company made by a lot of people around the world
[05:13] <Jame> on TV as well ? Is that you people ?
 you can be part too
[05:13] <Jame> sure, I will try
 i mean, just by using kde, you are part of the kde project
[05:14] <valorie> there is a new TV project called Big Screen, I think
[05:14] <valorie> using kde software
[05:14] <Jame> +1
[05:14] <valorie> we the community aren't used
[05:14] <valorie> lol
[05:15] <valorie> https://dot.kde.org/2020/03/26/plasma-tv-presenting-plasma-bigscreen
[05:15] <valorie> it's brand new
[05:15] <valorie> have not tried it
 kde is great because it works great in trash computers like mine lol
[05:17] <valorie> kde *software*
 yes
 i mean, plasma
[05:17] <valorie> I don't work in your computer
[05:17] <valorie> right
[05:17] <valorie> :-)
[05:22] <Jame> what is the difference between Plasma and Neon
[05:22] <Jame> I use Kubuntu 20.04, so I am using KDE Plasma, right ?
[05:23] <Jame> sorry, was afk
[05:24] <valorie> yes
[05:25] <valorie> neon is another project run by friends of ourse
[05:25] <valorie> ours
[05:25] <valorie> it is based on Ubuntu LTS base with the very latest KDE software
 yup
[05:25] <valorie> latest plasma, latest apps
 neon is pretty good actually
[05:26] <valorie> right now they are working on getting 20.04 working for them
 Kubuntu: Keep it stable! … Neon: Keep it updated!
[05:26] <valorie> we try to keep it stable and updated
[05:26] <valorie> if possible
[05:26] <Jame> I see
[05:27] <valorie> especially if you add the backports PPA
[05:27] <valorie> which I do
[05:27] <valorie> we all work together
[05:27] <Jame> who uses Neon ?
[05:27] <Jame> great +1
[05:27] <valorie> some of the neon team used to be in Kubuntu
[05:27] <valorie> Jame: many kde devels do
[05:28] <Jame> oh
[05:28] <valorie> but many people do
[05:28] <valorie> esp. if the older base is better for their machines
[05:28] <Jame> I see
[05:29] <Jame> which is the support forum for Kubuntu
[05:29] <Jame> official
[05:31] <Jame> I want to say something, when the app icon is hung by the cursor, there is a burr -ed black border around the app icon
[05:32] <valorie> there is kubuntuforum and forum.kde.org -- both in the topic
[05:32] <Jame> thanks
[05:33] <user|25316> Kubuntu 20.04 , KDEConnect not working, it not display any devices in network and cannot connect to other.
[05:34] <Jame> 1. Installed app 2. Both PC and phone in same network ?
[05:35] <valorie> hmmm, might be a mismatch between the versions
[05:36] <valorie> mine's working
 Ubuntu 20.4 has a broke installer. Tried abut 3 to 4 times with iso re-download
[05:46] <valorie> this is #kubuntu -- we have no reports of our installer being broken
[05:46] <valorie> did you mean Kubuntu installer?
 @valorie, Yeah both kubuntu and ubuntu
[05:46] <valorie> doesn't mean that it couldn't be....
[05:47] <valorie> at what point did it "break"?
[05:47] <valorie> did you file a bug about it?
[05:47] <valorie> it's called ubiquity btw
[05:48] <valorie> and I bet half the bug reports I've filed are against ubiquity
[05:49] <valorie> if you are going to file, it's best to drop to a terminal when it crashes
[05:49] <valorie> and type ubuntu-bug ubiquity
[05:50] <valorie> and just answer the questions
[06:12] <Metamorphosis> How to edit/remove software entries from application launcher (kickoff menu)
[06:20] <rebecca> anyone noticed a recent update causing mouse click weirdness?
 Hi there, Iam new here. Plz adv - can i upgrade kubuntu 19.10 to 20.04? Or do i need to perform a clean install
[06:28] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:41] <rebecca> it's like a de-bounce bug on mouse clicks
[06:42] <rebecca> i think it's mistaking clicks for click+drags or something
[06:43] <rebecca> i have my mouse drag time set to 1000ms but it's still happening. seems to be somewhere in the desktop manager as it's impacting plasma panel and other programs like konversation
[06:51] <rebecca> updating webkit seems to have improved the issue mostly
[07:33] <Metamorphosis> rebecca I lost 3 rounds of openRA game because of the same weird mouse activity.
 @valorie, @Dante_44
[09:22] <m_tadeu> hi...I'm having a huge problem with my network. a while after connecting, I lose ipv4. only have ipv6. reconnecting won't help. any idea what is going on?
 Kubuntu installer booted yet after checking disk it didn't even load just hanged up in boot logo
[09:43] <Jame> hi
 On initial boot there is an option for start in Safe Graphics mode. Have you tried that?
 @masonbee-M1> <bkoustubha, Yeah, yet doesn't work
[10:54] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[11:33] <viewer|63> Hello kind people. Has anyone else had this problem in 20.04? (upgraded from 19.10) My wallpapers are sometimes on the opposite monitor but my displays still show that they are in the right position. What's even more annoying is the plasma taskbars only show applications that are on the opposite display instead of the display that the taskbar is
[11:33] <viewer|63> on. Yesterday I rebooted and it fixed itself, but today the problem is back. I tried moving the panel to the other display, but it still only displays applications on the opposite monitor from the taskbar. I also tried recreating the panel (no effect) and unchecking then checking "show only tasks from the current screen" (no effect).
[11:33] <Clqy> Hi, Im trying to install from a live boot and i get the error, unable to install grub to /dev/sda
 Hi Clqy, did you Succeded to format the hdd?
[11:35] <Clqy> well ive got everything backed up to an external hd
[11:35] <Clqy> q different one from the live boot
 I understand, I meant the internal hdd of your pc
[11:36] <Clqy> when i format through gparted im not sure exqctly what to do; ive tried many things. i cant complete the install process
 You have to format and you can create a filesystem ext4
[11:40] <Clqy> there is currently two partition sda1 and 2  1 is efi  2 is ex4 mounted at target?? and there is 1mb of unallocated space after
 That's all right!
 Efi partition is a system partition
 Just try to install kubuntu now
[11:44] <Clqy> does sda2 need a grub flag or something like that§
 In the installation process?
[11:45] <Clqy> i have tried and just near the end it gives me an error unable to install grub to sda
 What do you mean by grub flag? If you do guided installation you should not worry about that
[11:45] <Clqy> yes in the installation app
 Mmmm i don't know, maybe you need to set the bios es efi mode
[11:45] <Clqy> the installation doesnt work, i try to figure out if i can change something to make it work
 I had the same problem because I had the UEFI mode enabled
 Had to change it from the BIOS
 Try to change this setting in the BIOS , switch to Legacy mode and not UEFI mode
 I had the exact same problem last time with a pc where I had installed Windows with UEFI mode
[11:46] <Clqy> ok ill see if i can figure that out
[11:47] <BluesKaj> maje sure fast boot and secure boot are disabled in the BIOS if you are using UEFI boot
[11:47] <BluesKaj> make sure
[11:47] <Clqy> i havent been able to locate these setting before
[11:49] <Clqy> would that be the boot order tab and disable uefi?
[11:50] <Clqy> i mean disable the legacy
[11:50] <Clqy> ill be back
 BluesKaj: I am no expert but I failed as well to install 20.04 with both secure boot as fast boot disabled. Using EFI just saved me.
[11:59] <BluesKaj> yes, UEFI is best accoeding to the devs
[11:59] <BluesKaj> according to
[12:00] <jandri555> How can I get kubuntu to ask me for confirmation before sending a file to the trash? i just moved to kubuntu 20.
[12:07] <Clqy> ok so the installation hasnt worked... im not sure i changed bios settings properly
[12:08] <Clqy> theres no obvious fastboot or secure boot to change that i could see
[12:08] <Clqy> or even to change from legacy to efi,
 Am I wrong or legacy and EFI are the same thing?
 Legacy means the old BIOS, The other option is UEFI
[12:11] <Clqy> where do i change this§
[12:11] <BluesKaj> jandri555, dolphin>settings>configure dolphin>general
[12:12] <jandri555> Thanks :)
 Clqy: in the BIOS settings
 When you start your pc
 I don't know that motherboard you have
 What*
[12:13] <Clqy> ok ill just go have another look
 @da_ni_el, Okay Rufus worked
 No more checkfile error
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/3PKaXty8/file_28583.jpg
[12:32] <Clqy> ok is there another way to do this? in bios there is no secure boot option to change.... there is something to change quickboot to fullboot, i did that and disabled all legacy boot options and re ran the installation proccess, same error... cant install grub to sda
[12:35] <BluesKaj> Clqy, are you trying toinstall grub manually ?
[12:36] <Clqy> no
[12:36] <xMaverick> Guys, if I remove the default kubuntu panel, my volume keys no longer work
[12:36] <Clqy> im trying to reinstall kubuntu
[12:36] <Clqy> a clean install i am free to wipe everything
[12:37] <BluesKaj> let the installer do that, use the full disk mode so the installer runs thru the installation of the boot file (UEFI) etc automatically
 Why are you disabling legacy mode? You did right to enable full boot but I believe that you have to enable legacy mode.  … Surely BluesKaj is more expert than me but I would try that
 Because I had the same problem
 With my computer
[12:38] <BluesKaj> not legacy, uefi is best
 I know that is the best
[12:39] <Clqy> i just tried the instqller qnd got this ubi-partman failed with exit code 10.
[12:39] <BluesKaj> there;s no disabling legacy , only enabling uefi on most systems
 But I had problems with UEFi mode because I had installed windows on UEFI like Clqy did
[12:40] <Clqy> the only way i can see how to enable uefi is to change the boot order
[12:41] <BluesKaj> that depenfd where/which partition or device  you are installing kubuntu to
[12:46] <Clqy> so...?
[12:47] <Clqy> i am starting my live boot through uefi application on my boot menu (when i press esc at startup) does that change anything?
[12:48] <BluesKaj> if the windows installation is on the same disk and it's w8 ot above then it's automatically in uefi mode iirc
[12:48] <Clqy> i had windows 10 but its been formated now
[12:49] <BluesKaj> Clqy, do you still have windows installed ?
[12:49] <Clqy> no
[12:49] <Clqy> ive formatted my hd through gparted to try start from scratch
[12:50] <BluesKaj> ok, then use the full disk option in  partitioning phase and you should be fine
[12:50] <Clqy> but its not
[12:50] <BluesKaj> during kubuntu install
[12:51] <Clqy> no it tellls me grub install error at sda or something like that
[12:52] <BluesKaj> how many partiitons on the disk?
[12:52] <Clqy> sda1 sda2 and unallocated (1mb)
[12:54] <BluesKaj> partition the whole is into just one partition
[12:55] <BluesKaj> ext4
[12:55] <Clqy> ok but i cant unmount sda2 in gparted
[12:56] <BluesKaj> are you using gparted on a usb stick ?
[12:57] <BluesKaj> and what's on sda2?
[12:57] <Clqy> no, through the live boot on my external hd, i dont hqve q spqre usb stick
[12:57] <Clqy> sda2 is ex4 /target
[12:58] <Clqy> its the new pqrtition the installer created for kubuntu before is closed with the error , there s nothing there and as far as i can tell there is nothing open
[12:58] <BluesKaj> is there an OS on it or backup files?
[12:59] <Clqy> ls gives me a list of a few folders ... bin cdrom etc lib lib4 lost and found etc
[12:59] <R13ose> 10:40 AM <R13ose> Sometimes when I using Kubuntu, this will logout for no reason.  I don't know why.  How do I not logout?
[13:00] <BluesKaj> just expand/resize sda1 as an ext4 over the whole disk the try reinstalling kubuntu
[13:01] <Clqy> right click - resize:  all i can do is add 1MB its already marked as ex4
[13:02] <Clqy> do i need to reboot before i try install or can i do it directly from here
[13:03] <Clqy> the install doesnt work, ill reboot and try again
[13:17] <Clqy> still no dice...
[13:17] <BluesKaj> Clqy, have you tried using the "whole disk" with the installer?
[13:17] <Clqy> yes, guided whole disk
[13:18] <mactheknife> Hi, I installed bookworm successfully in ubuntu but it will not start, what needs to be done?
 Hi. Why my desktop dont upgrade on Kubuntu 20.04? It told that no new kubuntu
[13:18] <BluesKaj> and maybe the image/OS isn't bootable
[13:18] <BluesKaj> Clqy,^
[13:18] <Clqy> i dont understand
[13:19] <Clqy> i used unetbootln to make the bootable external hd
[13:21] <BluesKaj> unetbootln, is probly the problem, it fails to creaate a bootable image 50% of the time, even etcher does a better job
 Clqy: try with Rufus
[13:24] <Clqy> hmm ok, so... i only have an external HD, which i accidently errased all my photos and videos when i made my unetbooln... i have a friend who s confident to recover them, but because of confineme,t i cant se ehim for another two weeks at least...
 or I don't know something else thank enetbootln
 oh I thought that yesterday you saved all your data
 I am sorry to hear that you lost your data on the ext hdd
[13:25] <Clqy> i have 2 external hd.. i dont have any usb stick. the first hd is the live boot/files to recover the second is what i backed up from windows yesterday
[13:26] <Clqy> can i create another live boot with rufus next to my windows data?
 I would not try that
[13:26] <mactheknife> If you key in the terminal "bookworm" it says 'command not found'
[13:27] <BluesKaj> Clqy, my recommendation is to get a usb stick and copy the image to it using dd and make sure the target /dev/sdX is unmounted before using dd
 yes, try with a usb stick
[13:28] <BluesKaj> Clqy, you could try using dd from your outboard as well
[13:29] <BluesKaj> but if you need to revover files from the target disk then don't do anything
[13:29] <BluesKaj> recover
[13:38] <Clqy>  dd from outboard, what does that mean
[13:44] <BluesKaj> !dd | Clqy
[13:45] <BluesKaj> !info dd | Clqy
[13:46] <BluesKaj> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/144172/full-dd-copy-from-hdd-to-hdd
 kubuntu 20.04, does it worth the upgrade coming from the previosu lts?
[13:53] <Clqy> that seems complicated
[14:11] <BluesKaj> t won't work anyway, i'm not thinking properly
[14:12] <Clqy> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing under bios/gpt notes
[14:12] <Guest40544> I can't find the "Drivers" window in Kubuntu. I'm trying to install a different Wifi driver. Help me
[14:13] <Clqy> i think my problem is here somewhere
[14:14] <Guest40544> Ooops, nevermind. I found the Drivers window. It's in KDE settings.
[14:15] <BluesKaj> Guest40544,kmenu>system settings>hardware>driver manager
[14:16] <Clqy> can i install grub manually somehow?
[14:18] <Clqy> what exactly is my problem? i had kubuntu installed here a few days ago, it worked perfectly, When i started the pc it gave me a choice of ubuntu or windows
[14:18] <Clqy> now when i start it goes to a grub console
[14:18] <masonbee-M1>  <davidmills> I haven't noticed a lot of difference really. Probably the most painless upgrade ever.
[14:18] <Clqy> even before i deleted kubuntu (to reinstall)
[14:19] <masonbee-M1> Clqy: Did you reinstall?
[14:23] <Clqy> not yet
[14:23] <Clqy> i cant
[14:23] <masonbee-M1> Can you boot from the usb to the live desktop?
[14:24] <BluesKaj> you need an iso image that's bootable, seems yours is corrupted
[14:24] <Clqy> i am currently booted into the hard disk
[14:26] <masonbee-M1> But stuck in Grub?
[14:26] <masonbee-M1> Sorry if I am repeating others questions. Basically I am thinking if you can boot to you USB you can back up your system to an external before going any further so you don't lose anything.
[14:27] <BluesKaj> Clqy, then use the install you're booted into
[14:32] <Clqy> it doesnt work
[14:32] <Clqy> the grub error
[14:32] <Clqy> ... if im loaded into it now can it still be corrupted?
[14:33] <Clqy> masonbee-M1:  ive got nothing to back up, Im here loaded into a live boot on my external hd, trying to install almost at the end it tells me it cant install grub onto sda1 or 2 i cant remember
[14:34] <Clqy> i dont know if im using efi or not, i suspect not
[14:35] <masonbee-M1> Clqy: Should be trying to install to sda or sdb. That might be your problem. Grub is trying to install to the wrong disk.
[14:36] <Clqy> i selected guided full disk
[14:37] <Clqy> sda is my internal hd  it says it cant install there
[14:38]  * masonbee-M1 uploaded an image: VirtualBox_Kubuntu Info_24_04_2020_17_16_12.png (365KB) < https://kde.modular.im/_matrix/media/r0/download/kde.org/AoYREJqsUXahYpAuNIcfSHsW >
[14:38] <masonbee-M1> Clqy: On this screen
[14:39] <Clqy> yes i select my internal hd at this point
[14:43] <masonbee-M1> And assuming it is definitely the internal hd and there is only one hd in the comp, did you update the installer before installing, remove the external drive after installing, and what is the exact error grub gives on non install?
[14:45] <Clqy> definatly only one ihd ive got kubuntu 20.4 how can i remove the external drive after instal? i cant install..
[14:45] <Clqy> the errorr is Unable to install GRUB in /dev/sda” when installing GRUB
[14:46] <Clqy> force unmounted sda, reinitialised the installation and it gave me a new error  The ext4 file system creation in partition #2 of SCSI3 (0,0,0) (sda) failed.
[14:49] <masonbee-M1> Clqy: Can you go into bios and make sure the UEFI windows isn't still selected.....I had that on another comp where it wouldn't boot after install and what had happened was the UEFI settings for Windows were still there. Also disable fast boot if poss. What model is it?
[14:50] <Clqy> model bios?
[14:50] <masonbee-M1> <Supun Wijesinghe> Are you dual booting. Windows resets time.
[14:51] <masonbee-M1> Clqy: No, model computer.
[14:52] <Clqy> i was dual booting, windows is gone now
[14:53] <masonbee-M1> Clqy: Sorry, I was talking to the other guy.
[14:53] <Clqy> model number for computer? i have no idea
[14:53] <Clqy> haha ok
[14:56] <Clqy> ill go look at bios again
[15:00] <masonbee-M1> Clqy: Also, if you can use your installation USB to boot to a desktop instead of installing (Choose Try Kubuntu instead of Install Kubuntu)  then it might be an idea to look at the harddrive sda (the one inside the laptop) and see if there is anything left on it with gparted (or partitionmanager possibly in Kubuntu)
[15:02] <masonbee-M1> <Supun Wijesinghe> If that is the problem then there is an explanation here. https://www.howtogeek.com/323390/how-to-fix-windows-and-linux-showing-different-times-when-dual-booting/
[15:06] <masonbee-M1> <Supun Wijesinghe> Sorry, I missed a comment. No idea. A flat bios battery would so it but so could something else.
[15:26] <Clqy> ok so definatly only legacy enable, full boot on, a clean hd, still no luck
 Clgy, I may have missed everything you have tried, but have you tried a new partition table?
[15:30] <Clqy> you mean through gparted?
 If not, use partition manager to create a new gpt partition table.
 gparted or partitionmanager should both work.
 Also, I would recommend switch back to UEFI, with secure boot disabled.
[15:33] <Clqy> hhaok
 UEFI booting is typically much faster.
[15:33] <BluesKaj> Clqy, if everything else is fine then you should look at your image/iso file as probly corrupted, like i mentione dearlier
[15:34] <Clqy> yeah i think it is... im just about to go get a usb.
[15:34] <BluesKaj> Clqy, definitely a good idea :-)
[15:35] <Clqy> rufus?
[15:36] <Clqy> DarinMiller: new gpt partition table?
[15:36] <Clqy> ok yes
[15:37] <Clqy> i wont bother doing the partitions right? just go straight into install... should i reboot? or can i go back to install straight from here
[15:38] <Clqy> partition manager says: Create a new partition table (type: gpt) on ‘/dev/sda’: Error
 close partitionmanager and use gparted
[15:39] <Clqy> why is my hd mounted when i live boot? i have to force unmount every time
[15:41] <Clqy> it said (and i coulndt copy paste it) something about not being able to inform the kernel
[15:42] <Clqy> so the old partitions will remain in use ...
[15:42] <Clqy> i can click ignore and it shozs me one big empty partition
[15:43] <Clqy> is my hard drive being used somewhere?
 partitionmanager is not able to handle corrupted partition tables, but gparted usually works.
 booting from the kubuntu iso, (assuming wifi) connect to the internet, then sudo apt install gparted
[16:02] <Clqy> thats where i am now
 success creating new partition table with gparted?
[16:04] <Clqy> no it says partition(s) 2 on /dev/sda have been written, but we have been unable to inform the kernel of the change, probably because it/they are in use. As a result, the old partition will remain in use. you should reboot now before making further changes
[16:05] <Clqy> i can cancel or ignore
[16:05] <Clqy> if i ignore it shows me one big empty partition, as if it worked
 very strange.
 Would be useful to try to create a windows bootable pen and try to format from the installation program of windows?
 After that you could try to install linux with your live usb
 Windows can sometimes tolerate a corrupted table that is not allowed by Linux install, so I don't think it will help.
 clgy, proceed with attempting to install to check if gparted actually succeeded.
[16:11] <Clqy> so the problem is i have a corrupted partition table?
[16:16] <Clqy> ok reboot ill try again
[16:30] <Clqy> nope
[16:31] <Clqy> is this something test disk cqn fix?
[16:32] <Clqy> is it normal that my internal hd is mounted when i live boot?
[16:35] <Clqy> whenever i start the live boot (in the uefi application on the boot menu in bios) there is a message that verify briefly flashes on the screen... it says something like "/boot not found"
 clgy, how did you determine it is was mounted?
 it should not be mounted but if you use dolphin to navigate, the dolphin automounts during navigation.
[17:20] <Clqy> i start to lose hope
 Don't lose hope!
 For clarification, are you live booting with kubuntu 20.04?
[17:21] <Clqy> yes
 are you currently live booted?
[17:21] <Clqy> yes
 Try creating a new partition table using the kde partitionmanager (not gparted).  If it succeeds, then we know the partition table is good.  If not, we will have to repair with slightly more advanced methods.
[17:24] <Clqy> im live booted after the installation fail, i have yet to reboot
[17:24] <Clqy> sda2 is mounted, i cant create table
 right click on sda2 and unmount.
 via partition manager....
[17:25] <Clqy> The file system on partition /dev/sda2 could not be unmounted.
 wow, is anything open that could be blocking the unmount?
[17:26] <Clqy> ?? ive done nothing, firefox? konversation, discover, terminal, partition manager
[17:27] <Clqy> umount: /target: target is busy.
[17:27] <Clqy> it mounts itsself to /target
 none of those should block sda2...
[17:29] <Clqy> wifi antenna?
 ?
[17:30] <Clqy> i dunno
[17:30] <Clqy> ive seen force unmounting is possible,
 I am not convinced you have a bug free partition table, but have you tried skipping live boot and proceeding with install?  That should avoid the strange mounting issue you encounter.
 oh, then "use the force" :)
[17:33] <Clqy> yeah i do that every time
 Refresh partition manager.  Does PM show all drives unmounted?
 Hit f5 to refresh
[17:36] <Clqy> yes everything is unmounted
[17:36] <Clqy> lsblk too
 OK, now create a new partition table.
[17:37] <Clqy> there is a loop0 mounted at /rofs and my ex hd at /cdrom
[17:37] <Clqy> ok done
[17:37] <Clqy> Create new partition table on device ‘/dev/sda’: Error
[17:37] <Clqy> Create a new partition table (type: gpt) on ‘/dev/sda’: Error
 OK, no error?
[17:38] <Clqy> it refreshes back to everything unmounted
 try again with gparted and if that fails, we dive deeper...
 If you rebooted, re-install gparted....
[17:39] <Clqy> im still going for gpt right§
 yes, use gpt
[17:41] <Clqy> it says the partitions have been written but cant inform the kernel....
 As long as UEFI is enabled in the BIOS, gpt should worlk
 same as before... ok... just a sec.
[17:42] <Clqy> ive changed so many things back and forth i dont remember anymore... if uefi is enabled
 I feel your pain....
[17:43] <Clqy> i believe it is... but i cant be certain
[17:43] <Clqy> cn i verify from konsole without rebooting?
 I think so, just sec
 ls /sys/firmware/efi
[17:50] <johndripper> hello
[17:50] <johndripper> whatsup
[17:50] <Clqy> you,ll have to talk to me like i dont understand anything
[17:50] <johndripper> i need some help
[17:51] <johndripper> whenever i login my kubuntu logo is displayed very big
 clgy, try running boot repair as p[er this website: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
 let me know if I can clarify anything.
[17:51] <johndripper> it is happening after i installed nvidia driver
[17:52] <johndripper> ok i will try
 @johndripper, In system settings -> Font  force dpi to 96
 johndripper the bootrepair message was not for you.
[17:53] <johndripper> ok
[17:56] <Clqy> Please create a BIOS-Boot partition (>1MB, unformatted filesystem, bios_grub flag). This can be performed via tools such as Gparted. Then try again.
[17:56] <Clqy> that was the output frm  boot repair, i didnt touch the advanced settings
[17:58] <Clqy> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HY44kbVM9r
 If boot repair worked, then partition manager should now work to create a new table.
 The install process will create a boot partition.
 @johndripper, Did you find the force dpi option?
 If so, log out, log in to enable (or restart plasmashell —replace)
[18:03] <Clqy> partition manager still has the same problem
[18:03] <Clqy> Create a new partition table (type: gpt) on ‘/dev/sda’: Error
 clgy, I am concerned about your second drive /dev/sdb (Unknown MBR on /dev/sdb).  You may want to try unplugging it until after install to reduce the variables...
 what was the output of: ls /sys/firmware/efi
 that command reveals if you booted in to efi mode.
[18:06] <Clqy> ls /sys/firmware/efi
[18:06] <Clqy> config_table  efivars  fw_platform_size  fw_vendor  runtime  runtime-map  systab  vars
 yep, efi
[18:07] <Clqy> sbd is my ex hd
[18:07] <Clqy> from which i live boot
 oh, duh I see the squashfs now....
[18:09] <johndripper> i tried "force font dpi" to '96' in "system setting" but it didnt fix my issue: https://imgur.com/undefined ubuntu logo is still big and looks ugly it happened after i installed nvidia propreitary driver is there a fix or should i use open source driver
 Will partition manager allow you to delete the /sdax partitions?
[18:09] <amro> i am new here i've used MIRC long time ago more than 20 years can any one tell me how to add servers and rooms
[18:10] <johndripper> the scrrenshot https://imgur.com/XLXUJ9E
 @amro, This is the kubuntu support channel, not sure which channel is best for your question.
[18:12] <Clqy> partition manager only shows me 500G of unallocated space at sda
 @johndripper, Do you see sizing issues anywhere else?  I am not sure how to fix the blurry boot logo.
[18:13] <johndripper> @darinmiller everything is fine except the blurry logo
[18:19] <amro> i am a linux user and a computer programmer i used mirc 20 years ago i am 39 years now and i cancelled all my social media accounts and i am asking if i can add servers and channels and find good people
 @Clqy, After reviewing the advance options on boot repair, I realized that tool does not fix broken partition tables.  I apologize for the wasted time.  Let try this option: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1192598
 wait no.  We need something like that, but that's not exactly correct either...
 This like should do it: https://www.axllent.org/docs/view/erase-your-mbr/
 Once erased, partitionmanager should work to create a new table.
[18:31] <Clqy> ok partition manager says theres no partition table on this device
[18:31] <Clqy> but when i try to create one it has the same error
[18:32] <Clqy> gparted gives the same error too; couldnt inform kernel
 This is the most stubborn HD i have ever seen! Try gparted ...
[18:34] <Clqy> i can get a usb now, do u think itll help
 Not sure what you mean?
[18:35] <Clqy> i can get a new usb, my firned down the road is home i can create a new bootqble usb
 try creating partition table from the command line using these instructions: https://www.crucial.com.au/blog/2009/11/18/how-to-create-a-new-partition-on-a-linux-server/
[18:36] <Clqy> that way i can unplug the external hd
[18:39] <Clqy> Partition #1 contains a vfat signature., do i remove it or not?
 you can remove it
[18:40] <Clqy> Command (m for help): w
[18:40] <Clqy> The partition table has been altered.
[18:40] <Clqy> Failed to add partition 1 to system: Device or resource busy
[18:40] <Clqy> The kernel still uses the old partitions. The new table will be used at the next reboot.
[18:40] <Clqy> Syncing disks.
[18:41] <Clqy> ill reboot? try install again? ill go get the usb, because its getting dark and itll be too late soon; then ill come back
 OK, sure try the reboot.
[19:01] <clqy> didnt work, cant install grub at sda
[19:01] <clqy> i do however have a different usb to try in my possesion
[19:02] <clqy> if you think thatll help
 It won't hurt to try but I suspect you HD is the issue.
[19:04] <clqy> ok so next step?
[19:04] <clqy> try the other usb?
 Did you attempt to create new partition table after restart?
 Until that is complete, we cannot proceed.
[19:05] <clqy> i thought i did that, now ive lost all the links etc... can you copy paste the laast website you linked
[19:05] <clqy> i tried to install after the reboot...
 first try partitionmanager
 If that fails try gparted (sudo apt install gparted)
[19:07] <clqy> ive got fat32 mounted at sda1 and exfat at 2
 is that your live boot drive?
[19:08] <clqy> nope
[19:09] <clqy> its my internal hd
 did you create an exfat partition during the last install attempt?  This is so confusing when I only see a portion of what happens at the other end.
[19:10] <clqy> no i did guided full disk
[19:10] <clqy> but i dont think the installer created thses, i think this is what i had before with windows
[19:11] <clqy> or maybe from another instance when i tired something yesterday
[19:11] <clqy> tried
[19:13] <clqy> I didnt try to create a new partition table qfer deleting in the command line, insteqd i tried to install
 the fact that these automount from a live session and survive after partition table wipe makes no sense.
[19:14] <clqy> the table wipe in command line gave an error like gparted, cqnt remember what it said but something like failed to write so the old partition will remain need to reboot
[19:15] <clqy> the table wipe that i just did in command line gave an error like gparted, I cant remember what it said but something like "failed to write, so the old partition will remain, need to reboot"
 oh!  OK. unmount all partitions and rerun dd command
[19:16] <clqy> ok can you paste the website instructions again, ive lost all
 https://www.axllent.org/docs/view/erase-your-mbr/
[19:17] <clqy> to be cleqr i am doing the second option?? format mbr and partition tqble
 I would paste the command here, but I don't want some new person stumbling in on the conversation and running it at random.
[19:17] <clqy> ha understanable
 The 2nd one.
 bs=512
 that may require sudo...
[19:19] <clqy> ok seems to have worked f5 on partition manager shows nothing
 thats progress.  Now try creating partition table.
[19:19] <clqy> gpt correct?
 yesa
[19:21] <clqy> partitions 2 hqve been written but we have been unable to inform the kernel because it/they are in use
[19:21] <clqy> as a result old partition will remain in use, you should reboot now before making further changes
[19:22] <clqy> so... reboot, dont install, come back here and try write a new table?
[19:22] <clqy> is there an automount option somewhere that can be disabled?
 select sda and see if you can create a partition.  If not, then restart.
[19:23] <clqy> and apply?
 yes
[19:26] <clqy> it gave me the same error, wont write to kernel need to restart, but it appears in the gui
 OK, restart.
 wow, the pain continues.
[19:27] <clqy> restart and dont install right ?
 I think we solved the partition table issue with the last dd command.  So install should work.  But if the partition table was not created, then we may need to start with that.
[19:29] <clqy> so try the install?
 not until after restart
[19:29] <clqy> yes ok
[19:29] <clqy> ciao
[19:38] <amro> can anyone talk to me on private i need help
 Clqy parli italiano? Non lo avevo capito :p
 What kind of help?
 clqy: Non demordere
[19:41] <amro> i need to know how to add channels and servers i've used mirc since 20 years and i've returned back cause i cancelled all my social accounts
 Sorry, I have no knowledge of channel management.
[19:42] <amro> i am linux user and i am a programmer i am 39
[19:43] <clqy> nope
 What do you mean by adding channels? Do the command /join work?
[19:43] <amro> anyway thanks for your reply ircsomebot
[19:44] <clqy> ive got fat32 and ext4
 After install?
[19:45] <amro> i mean other channels .... you're on #kubuntu i need other places like countries and ther feilds
[19:46] <clqy> install didnt get past grud install
[19:46] <clqy> grub
 installer crash?
[19:47] <amro> you can get the new grub after upgrading the kernel
[19:47] <amro> just upgrade the kernel
[19:47] <clqy> yes it  gave me the same error
 but partition manager shows a fat32 and ext4 partition
 ?
 If so, then re-try running: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[19:49] <clqy> yes
[19:49] <amro> use gparted its the best partioning tool
[19:50] <amro> and after installing gparted install gpart with it
 amro: so you mean that you want to join for example another channel like #kubuntu-offtopic?
 Or do you want to see a list.of the channels on your network?
[19:52] <amro> yes
[19:52] <amro> example # usa # uk and all
[19:53] <clqy> "/target detected. Please reboot and try again from a new live session."
 amro: try /list
 If you want to enter another channel /join (channel name)
 (#channelname)
[19:56] <amro> #usa
[19:58] <johndripper> i hv a question is installing wine from apt enough to run most windows apps?
[20:00] <amro> thanks it worked
 wine from the repos will run quite a few apps.  But is you want bleeding edge performance or best compatibility, then I recommend wine-staging (winehq.org) or lutris.
 amro: np
[20:01] <johndripper> thanks i visited the site
[20:01] <amro> no
[20:01] <johndripper> then read on another site it said to install it from repo
[20:01] <johndripper> lol
 https://wiki.winehq.org/Ubuntu
[20:01] <johndripper> i tried installing potplayer it failed
[20:02] <clqy> should i try the new usb then?
[20:02] <amro> you must install with wine wine tricks and netframework and direct x
[20:03] <johndripper> @darianmiller so i should uninstall my prev wine install from repo as it is said in https://wiki.winehq.org/Ubuntu right
[20:03] <amro> and install stable wine and it depents on what app you're going to use
[20:03] <johndripper> i want to install potplayer
 @clqy, Sorry, i missed your previous post. Yes, try from a new usb.
[20:04] <clqy> rufus?
 I reccomend https://github.com/ventoy/Ventoy
[20:06] <amro> #IRCnet
 @johndripper, As per the wine appdb, 64b wine does not play well with potplayer. https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=14890
 Thus, I would try wine-staging
[20:09] <amro> #Undernet
 Please move channel discussion to kubuntu-offtopic or PM.
 maybe he forgot to use /join
[20:11] <johndripper> @darinmiller thanksman
[20:18] <viewer|30> Hello
[20:20] <viewer|22> Hello
[20:23] <clqy> i havent got the knowledge of using scripts, id like to know more about linux command lines etc, but ive been flooded these last few days, point and click is sounding ood, so i used the native disk creator; thatll do right?
[20:23] <clqy> ok its written. time to reboot for the 543rd time today ...
 lol :)
 clqy: ¢_¢ sorry for you mate
[20:45] <Clqy> o so the new usb worked
[20:46] <Clqy> can i assume that everything is in order and like new now? all the stuffing about ive done is back to 0
[20:46] <Clqy> and it was a corrupt image on the external hd was the problem§
 Wow that's nice
 So the install worked with the new USB?
 I saw that Ubuntu has a 'right click to launch application using dedicated graphics'  is this something that is gnome specific, or something that can/will come to kde?
[20:56] <Clqy> yes it worked
 YES!
[20:58] <masonbee-M1> OMG, congratulations!!!!
 @ZendrilSeven, I have not heard right click launch dedicated graphics for kde, but you can manually use __NV_PRIME_RENDER_OFFLOAD=1 __GLX_VENDOR_LIBRARY_NAME=nvidia
[20:59] <Clqy> yeah no kidding im so relieved... thanks for your helps1
 in front of the app name or set it in the launcher, i.e. __NV_PRIME_RENDER_OFFLOAD=1 __GLX_VENDOR_LIBRARY_NAME=nvidia  steam
 @DarinMiller, thanks for the tip.. I heard someone mention there is a CLI workaround but didn't research it yet..
 @Clqy, You are very welcome!
 Clqy: so happy you've done it!
 I just recently even switched over to enabling nvidia drivers because when I first installed the system a year or so ago.. it would *never* disable the nvidia card even though you told it to run intel..  going to see if that is now better with the latest drivers..
 and being on a laptop that just ate the battery to death..
 Ensure to set the NVidia profile to NVidia on demand.
 ^in NVidia-settings.
 Also, someone had hybrid issues with stock 20.04 drivers and solved it using the NVidia ppa: https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
 Thanks!
 will definitely check it out shortly
[22:00] <amro> hey guys if anyone needs help with linux feel free to txt me
[22:01] <amro> i am 19 years experienced
[22:02] <amro> and looking for cool and good friends
[22:07] <CodeAmro> i am playing ps1 games on HD with with XBRZ4 and the graphics looks amazing
[22:10] <CodeAmro> sounds this place is dead and i am talking to myself
 I'm listening :)
[23:08] <clay_> hi ive got a much simpler question than last time i was here... my X key only does captial Xs i cant do small ones... it seems to be the only key effected, if i log out and in itll work for about 15 minutes then cease to work
 try another keyboard? :)
 I have re-installed Kubuntu, but KDEconnect cannot see my other Kubuntu machine anymore -and vice versa! ?? It does see all the android devices on the network though! What can I troubleshoot?