[02:26] <Ben64> ok my chrome is still lagging
[02:27] <Ben64> :(
[02:28] <sarnold> :(
[03:59] <Ben64> so far beta chrome working
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> bluefox83: i like stacer to tweak systemd services
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> the GUI way
[05:54] <bluefox83> ah
[05:54] <bluefox83> whats the deal with haveged?
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> also fileshredder and all in one prog
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> bluefox83: https://linux.die.net/man/8/haveged
[05:55] <bluefox83> i doubt i need all that, i just browse the web, chat in irssi, and mess around in python :)
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> bluefox83: system tweaks are not 'needed' its when the user chooses for it
[05:56] <bluefox83> i wish i had the funds to build a server, or a pi cluster, something so i could play on more than just my laptop
[05:57] <daftykins> install a VM = free
[05:57] <bluefox83> yeah, this laptop is old, and doesn't run VM very well
[05:58] <bluefox83> i've got all of 4gb to mess with
[05:58] <daftykins> wow
[05:58] <bluefox83> not nearly enough ram to run a decent VM
[05:59] <daftykins> well you say that but my home Linux VM which runs my home nextcloud instance, this IRC client and so on has only 1GB allocated
[05:59] <bluefox83> wow, that's impressive
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> bluefox83: 4gb & a spinner and 5sec boot on 20.04?
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> or ssd?
[05:59] <bluefox83> ssd
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> ah
[06:00] <bluefox83> like a cheap one, nothing fancy
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> russian fatty dove lol?
[06:00] <daftykins> do you have another RAM slot free? very cheap to double up on older generation hardware
[06:07] <bluefox83> no, just 2 slots, and it would be about $40 to just buy 8gb of ram and replace this. but i don't have it
[06:07] <daftykins> oh it's in a 2x2, that's unfortunate
[06:07] <bluefox83> trust me i'd leap at it if i did
[06:08] <bluefox83> and the damn thing maxes out at 8gb, 4 per slot
[06:08] <daftykins> honestly though, i picked up two ThinkPad T450's which have 5th gen intel i5's with 8GB RAM and SSDs for £170 each the other day, it really doesn't take a lot of money to get something nice
[06:08] <daftykins> must be old
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> are you on hexchat bluefox83
[06:09] <bluefox83> yeah, the problem is i haven't worked since march 23rd, and i'm barely getting enough to pay my bills in unemployment, and haven't got my stimulus yet
[06:09] <bluefox83> irssi
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> ah kk
[06:09] <daftykins> *nod*
[06:10] <daftykins> yeah i would not spend that handout on stuff, despite the temptation everyone in the US seem to have :P
[06:10] <bluefox83> i was supposed to start work back up on next monday, but they pushed it back another week
[06:12] <daftykins> which state are you in?
[06:12] <bluefox83> kentucky
[06:14] <daftykins> hmm i don't think i've seen any news about how they've been handling things, there
[06:16] <bluefox83> well, our governor is Andy Beshear
[06:16] <bluefox83> he's newly elected and doing a fucking amazeballs job
[06:16] <bluefox83> he's taking social distancing and stuff seriously
[06:17] <bluefox83> unlike our ex governor, who has been quoted recently as saying covid is a hoax and that we shouldn't have shut anything down
[06:18] <bluefox83> he tweeted from a private bunker, freakin jerk
[06:19] <lotuspsychje> plz mind your language in the ubuntu channels bluefox83
[06:19] <lotuspsychje> we try to remain family friendly
[06:20] <bluefox83> oh, my apologies
[06:21] <bluefox83> so my ssh is only 120gb lol
[06:21] <bluefox83> but it has a whole lot of partitions...guess that's what i get for letting the installer pick
[06:23] <daftykins> oh SSD
[06:24] <daftykins> the EFI spec has multiple also, just the way things work
[06:28] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:38] <ducasse> good morning
[06:42] <bluefox83> just installed a quick package and apt listed a ton of packages to remove, so i went ahead and ran autoremove. let me tell ya, i was sweating!
[06:42] <bluefox83> i still don't know if the laptop will boot when i restart! lol
[07:00] <daftykins> you would have to remove a very crucial package for autoremove to be suggesting anything important to take off
[07:01] <daftykins> it's always smart to have a flash drive with a bootable live session to hand
[07:05] <bluefox83> i keep one in a drawer by my bed
[09:33] <oerheks> oh no, defcon is cancelled http://defcon.ws/
[09:37] <lotuspsychje> too bad oerheks
[09:47] <lotuspsychje> CrazySam: if you want latest software, snap can be a good idea in some cases
[09:51] <CrazySam> lotuspsychje: the performance issues they are talking about in the main channel, is this an inherent problem of snap, or app specific?
[09:51] <lotuspsychje> CrazySam: ubuntu blog wrote an article about snap speed improvements, the speed also depends on the specific snap/maintainer yes
[09:53] <lotuspsychje> CrazySam: https://snapcraft.io/blog/snap-startup-time-improvements
[09:54] <lotuspsychje> CrazySam: Snapd 2.36.2 and higher should have 6x faster speeds
[10:15] <CrazySam> lotuspsychje: it seems to me like users will have to be a little more patient, while developers of snap improve the system, as well as app developers learn to optimize their snap apps better. Thereby closing the gap between snap vs. no snap.
[10:16] <lotuspsychje> CrazySam: its the users choice to install snaps or not
[10:16] <CrazySam> They used Ubuntu 18.10 in those tests. I would expect anyone running Ubuntu 20.04 today to benefit from the improvements they already made, and then some.
[10:17] <mgedmin> it would be interesting to see some numbers
[10:18] <lotuspsychje> maybe phoronix did it, those are always ready to benchmark everything
[10:18] <mgedmin> I never actually noticed _performance_ as an issue with the chromium snap
[10:18] <mgedmin> I'm constantly annoyed by other things instead
[10:18] <lotuspsychje> mgedmin: like what
[10:18] <mgedmin> (no looking at html files in /tmp! no clicking on magnet: links! forced background upgrades that make you lose the browsing session and history if you don't restart right away!)
[10:19] <daftykins> Firefox #1
[10:19] <mgedmin> (no color emoji! no selenium tests with chromedriver!)
[10:20] <mgedmin> I accidentally started using a workflow where I use firefox for work and chromium for leisure
[10:20] <mgedmin> now it's a problem going back to just a single browser
[10:20] <mgedmin> it's so nice that you can close a browser and forget about work, then open it the next day and all your tabs are right there
[10:21] <mgedmin> firefox has profiles, yes, but ugh
[10:21] <daftykins> ah i get you, i do similar but the other way around :)
[10:21] <mgedmin> anyway it would be better to fix the snap problems
[10:22] <daftykins> can't see the magnet one stopping you from a right-click -> copy approach
[10:23] <mgedmin> yup, but it's annoying
[10:32] <CrazySam> mgedmin: you mean profiles, not containers? Firefox has both. I don't use containers. It seemed like a nice feature at first, but I never stuck to using it.
[10:33] <mgedmin> yeah, I said profiles -- I don't even know what firefox containers are
[10:41] <CrazySam> mgedmin: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/containers
[10:42] <CrazySam> You can even sync them across different computers with Firefox account.
[10:43] <mgedmin> thanks!
[10:43] <mgedmin> iirc I switched my leisure browsing to chromium when I discovered that youtube videos at 2x speed sound better there
[10:44] <CrazySam> Interesting...
[10:44] <mgedmin> speaking of sound, my bluetooth headphones sound terrible with skips and drops every couple of minutes
[10:45] <mgedmin> and I don't know if I should blame interference at 2.4 GHz from my wifi router, bluez, pulseaudio, snap, or chromium
[10:45] <mgedmin> it's probably not the latest two, as I had skips when I played sound with mpv as well
[10:45] <mgedmin> (could be cheap crappy headphones too!)
[12:07] <CrazySam> Anyone here using + in email addresses? I'm curious how it helps keep spam at bay?
[12:10] <mgedmin> sometimes, for testing, and I haven't ever heard that it would help fight spam in any way?
[12:11] <mgedmin> maybe when people use different email+siteX@example.com addresses to sign up for sites so when they start getting spam they'll see which site sold/leaked their address
[12:17] <daftykins> yeah ^ my sentiments exactly, it's just handy for filtering
[12:39] <CrazySam> Right, and in that case there is no way stopping those e-mails anyway? It just helps you blame? I have come across some old blog posts mentioning this.
[12:42] <daftykins> well you filter them to another folder and know that they're less important
[12:43] <CrazySam> I see... so those would be "potentially" spam mails.
[12:43] <CrazySam> Here is one post from 2004 on the topic: http://www.somebits.com/weblog/tech/bad/plusEmail.html
[12:44] <daftykins> 16 years, heh yeah i'm good
[12:44] <CrazySam> Hehe I just noticed the path. "/tech/bad/" :P
[12:48] <CrazySam> Look! Here is Tech! And here is Bad Tech! :)
[12:52] <CrazySam> More bad tech: San Francisco Treasurer website is insecure
[12:52] <CrazySam> http://www.somebits.com/weblog/tech/bad/sf-treasurer-site-is-insecure.html
[13:36] <marcoagpinto> The demon!!!!!!
[13:37] <daftykins> oop guard your fridges, people
[13:40] <marcoagpinto> so, I noticed that GTK4 ships with 20.04?
[13:40] <marcoagpinto> in today's update it was installing GTK4 files
[13:51] <daftykins> i'm pretty sure it wouldn't just suddenly start
[17:55] <CrazySam> https://forum.snapcraft.io/
[17:55] <CrazySam> Is this forum run by Canonical?
[17:56] <CrazySam> I can't seem to sign in with Ubuntu One.
[17:57] <Lukewh> it is, but doesn't use Ubuntu One
[18:11] <CrazySam> I think Ubuntu One is a good idea. But not everyone agrees with me.