[06:02] [telegram] Well I'm finally seeing Seeders being reported looks like.... Surprisingly since even though I added Cinamon 2 days later. Its caught up and passed some of others in seed ratio for me.. : [09:53] [telegram] i added cinnamon yesterday : [10:41] [telegram] I'm so getting rid of KDE Neon and switching back to Kubuntu, as soon as I get back home to my proper desktop :) [10:56] [telegram] why what happened? [10:57] [telegram] i too tried neon a year or two back and didn't send much time on it. [11:12] [telegram] It's broken too often. It's a rolling release so when they ship new version of plasma/kde/whatnot, it's automatically distributred. I get to download 200-300 packages every 2-3 weeks. Which is cool as I get new features all the time, but the problem is that more often than not my desktop breaks :) Then they fix it within a day or two, but still :) [11:13] [telegram] I also upgraded from neon xenial to neon bionic, and that didn't fare well. For instance, CTRL+1 doesn't work - neither in konsole, chrome,... (when I create a fresh user, there it works. I haven't been able to figure out what config option got borked during the upgrade) [11:14] [telegram] Also, systemd is hosed - there is bunch of race conditions, so sometimes my network won't start, sometimes my lxc/lxd doesn't work, sometimes /tmpfs is not mounted in time (so some dirs are not created, mainly ~/.cache, so KDE can't start properly...) [11:14] [telegram] So, Kubuntu Focal should be more stable :) [11:15] [telegram] The only thing I don't like about latest LTS is that LXC/LXD are snap-only installs. I'm seriously thinking about building my own .deb packages for thoe. [11:16] [telegram] was this the user, testing or unstable edition? [11:16] [telegram] Neon will be migrating to 20.04 base in the next few months [11:17] [telegram] the user edition seems like it shouldn't be having such breakage. : [11:21] [telegram] User edition will possibly lose some stability as it gets to towards time for the next Ubuntu LTS. Simply as being based on the old LTS, core libs are becoming a bit put of date and perhaps not what KDE devs tested with when they made new stuff. Plus to keep new KDE things buildable, Neon has to backport more and more things like core libs in their repo over time, which inevitable [11:21] [telegram] Neon based on 18.04 is in that zone now [11:22] [telegram] User edition will possibly lose some stability as it gets to towards time for the next Ubuntu LTS. Simply as being based on the old LTS, core libs are becoming a bit out of date and perhaps not what KDE devs tested with when they made new stuff. Plus to keep new KDE things buildable, Neon has to backport more and more things like core libs in their repo over time, which inevitable [11:23] [telegram] user, ofc (re @philipz: was this the user, testing or unstable edition?) [11:24] [telegram] yup, that's logical. But all of the issues I mentioned started happening when Bionic Neon was released. (re @RikMills: User edition will possibly lose some stability as it gets to towards time for the next Ubuntu LTS. Simply as being based on the old LTS, core libs are becoming a bit out of date and perhaps not what KDE devs tested with when they made new stuff. Plus to keep new KD [11:24] [telegram] Xenial one worked ok, more or less. [11:24] [telegram] But kubuntu is waaaaay more stable (albeit with older software) [11:24] [telegram] :) [11:28] [telegram] how is the day today? [11:29] [telegram] still building new KDE apps :/ [11:30] [telegram] Fair, today i gotta try to rebuild the iso [11:30] [telegram] good (re @KaiLoveLinux: how is the day today?) [12:54] [telegram] yay (re @philipz: )