=== nt0__ is now known as nt0 [00:23] Hey everyone, In Ubuntu 20.04 I seem to have clobbered my php/apache setup. I can't get a2enmod to find modules I install. I see them fine with php -m and with phpenmod. I have tried using libapache2-mod-php7.4 and with php-fpm (separately). I'm missing the link between a2enmod and the modules and didn't get back even when stripping out everything I could find and reinstalling (apt-get remove --purge php*, and likewise for libapache2-mod*, apache2*, and ph [00:23] kunji: irc has line length limits; you were cut off at "and ph" [00:24] kunji: what does php -m output? [00:24] kunji: my guess would be php modules, not apache modules [00:24] php -m shows all my installed modules as expected [00:24] kunji: and I expect a2enmod to work on apache modules, not php modules [00:24] There are separate packages now? [00:26] haven't they always been separate? apache has hundreds of modules, php has hundreds of modules, they do different things.. === tds0 is now known as tds [00:27] ... they probably have been... and I'm feeling pretty dumb right now... too long since I messed with php [00:28] or, not long enough :) hehe [00:28] Cool, I'll see if I get all my prereqs showing with php -m, if the program work. ^_^ [00:28] Any time with php is too much for me :P [00:29] the manpage I found suggested php -m is "compiled in modules" [00:29] They're all in apt compiled, they show up as I install them [00:29] ahhhhhh [00:29] cool, thanks [00:40] I just install 20.04. Programs are slow to launch. In Windows, HexChat opens in a snap. Here it takes 20 seconds. [00:41] I have a 32 core thread ripper. 64 gigs ram [00:41] PCI-E x4 storage [00:41] whom can I blame? [00:42] :) [00:42] ezio: try running a perf top when starting something, that might give a quick idea of what the cpu is doing [00:42] (sadly, only the cpu, but still, it's something) [00:43] ezio, all apps? [00:44] Well not launching I guess, but loading pages in Chromium or Firefox. [00:45] Searching packages in Ubuntu Software. [00:45] Maybe it doesn't like my wireless card. [00:45] ezio, smells like slow graphics to me [00:46] I actually looked at GPU acceleration. That was the first thing I did. [00:46] Literally. After installation. Open Firefox. config about. [00:46] But it is Nvidia. [00:47] Also there's no stuttering issues like I had in Gentoo. [00:47] But, I'll sit on it for now. [00:47] I did have another question, though. Anyway to unlock with a pin? [00:47] Gnome. Vanilla install. [00:50] ezio: hmm, nothing I can think of [00:51] ezio: i had a hexchat lag like that in early stage of 20.04 but thats solved now [00:51] lotuspsychje, good to know. Maybe it is just HexChat. [00:52] ezio: it did that a few times, after that i could not reproduce it anymore [00:52] ezio: system up to date? [00:52] I know this is going to fall on deaf ears, but I have a theory, with only anecdotal evidence (as a white hat for 14 years) and conjectures that pin+password is better than just a password. [01:04] Too bad it isn't. Two knowledge factors is just one factor. === pauljw_18 is now known as pauljw [01:06] Making the person sign in with a password first, and then using pins is. Plus it lessens password exposure. Obviously you can't allow remote logins by remote pin, but you can allow remote logins by local pin after password authentication, thus again lessening the exposure of the password. [01:07] If I had my way, we wouldn't have passwords anymore. Yubikey all the things. [01:07] ezio, are you using yubi for your gmail account? [01:08] Two knowledge factors is one factor. Say it with me. If you can steal a password, you can steal a pin, and as a white hat for the same amount of time, people that write down one will write down the other. [01:08] cgi, yup. [01:08] But yeah. Yubikey. [01:09] You can steal a pin, but you can't use the pin unless you have physical access to the machine. [01:09] So you're talking about Windows Hello, essentially. [01:10] Yes. Windows Hello does it almost perfectly. [01:10] Still single factor, though. [01:10] That's fine. I'm not talking about 2FA. [01:10] Fair. [01:11] 2FA for remote access would be nice. Like RDP ... You wouldn't believe all the people I write reports about RDP access is exposed, and they just will never do anything about it. [01:11] Hey everyone, I just set up Ubuntu 20.04 in an LXC container and am wanting to a) create a user account to administer the machine and b)disable root access [01:11] Every year. Year after year. The same people. [01:11] can someone guide me on the proper procecures [01:11] default for ubuntu server is root [01:12] ecov, just get rid of the root password [01:12] Make sure you setup sudo though. [01:13] ahh [01:14] ezio: https://www.debian.wayoflinux.com/installing/post-install/configure-root-access/enable-sudo-lock-root [01:14] does that look right to you? [01:14] ecov, if you wanna get real spicy, learn sudo [01:15] But yeah [01:15] That looks like it should help [01:15] what do you mean by "learn sudo" [01:15] sudo is pretty complex with lots of options and user management. [01:16] it appears I need to create a user first? === zbenjamin_ is now known as zbenjamin [01:17] Do you already have a user? [01:18] nope, this is a fresh lxc install === dax is now known as housecat [01:19] ezio: if you just want physical presence, you could probably do that with libpam-fprintd [01:19] ezio: a friend mentinoed his company epoxied a bunch of yubikeys to their desks and turned them into presence detectors too [01:21] I heard them talking abut that on Linux Unplugged. I guess I know why now. [01:21] sarnold, so you can use Yubikey with fprint? [01:22] guess not [01:22] ezio: no [01:22] ezio: it's just another option for you [01:22] Yeah. I would need a fingerprint reader. [01:22] That's a possibility. We should sell fingerprint readers. [01:23] But I'm just having a bit of fun here. [01:24] I thought we had something for the ubuphone days for logging in with password but screenlock via pin, but I don't think that went through the PAM stack [01:25] Yeah. I was reading some of the stuff about that, and I thought, surely it can't just be a hard no. [01:25] Which brought me here. [01:43] how can i quickly see (by command line) that certain apt package is/is not installed? [01:44] dpkg -l packagename [01:48] thank you === gabkdlly_ is now known as gabkdlly === pauljw_18 is now known as pauljw [02:12] Any nvidia driver experts around, ive got an optimus laptop and for the life of me i cannot get the damn nvidia driver to activate even with blacklisted the module in grub and modules folder it still loads the opensource driver [02:15] Synx_hm: How did you install the proprietary nvidia drivers? How did you blacklist nouveau? [02:16] Jordan_U, installed via PPA and then 'sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall' [02:16] Synx_hm: What ppa? [02:17] Jordan_U, blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-nvidia-nouveau.conf; blacklist nouveau [02:17] options nouveau modeset=0 [02:17] Jordan_U, PPA: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/graphics-drivers/ppa/ubuntu focal main [02:17] thanks for the help btw [02:18] also for the record it looks like my grub blacklist command never set since /proc/cmdline doesn't have it [02:19] Synx_hm: Please pastebin your /etc/default/grub . [02:20] Jordan_U, https://pastebin.com/9DvYHVJi [02:20] note that the blacklist command didn't take this boot (i did a update-grub, do i need to update initramfs too?) for some reason [02:22] Synx_hm: Your initramfs doesn't change your kernel parameters. Can you pastebin your /boot/grub/grub.cfg ? Do you possibly have more than one install of grub somehow? [02:23] i cant see how i would, standby on the cfg [02:24] Synx_hm: That's not to say that updating your initramfs wouldn't solve your problem, it likely would by syncing your /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-nvidia-nouvea.conf to your initramfs, but then you'd still be left with the mystery of why your change to kernel parameters didn't take. [02:24] btw why the ppa? I thought the nvidia drivers were just part of the distro? eg http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/restricted/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers-440/ [02:25] https://termbin.com/ydt4 [02:26] do i by chance need /boot/efi mounted when i update-grub? [02:26] Synx_hm: Is it possible that grub itself is reading from an old zfs snapshot? [02:27] it shouldn't be i have two snapshots but i dont know how grub would be using one of them [02:27] i can nuke them if it would help [02:28] Synx_hm: What is the output of "sudo grub-mkrelpath /boot/grub/grub.cfg"? [02:29] '/ROOT/ubuntu@/boot/grub/grub.cfg' [02:31] Hi all! I have to use ubuntu16.04, and need to use the new, native exfat driver (min kernel 5.4). Starting with kernels >4.16, there are libssl dependency issues on ubuntu 16.04, and when I get past that, booting the kernel just hangs at the second line (extracting initrd i think). I couldn't find documentation from someone who's done this before, have you? [02:31] Synx_hm: Note that all of the paths within your grub.cfg are starting at /BOOT/ rather than /ROOT/. My guess is that you started without a separate /boot/ subvolume, then added one, mounted it over your still populated /boot/, re-ran update-grub, but didn't re-run grub-install. Does that sound plausible? [02:32] kernelpanic: could you install 20.04 to get the exfat driver, and then run the 16.04 userspace in an lxd container instead? [02:33] sarnold, wow, thats creative! But this is an embedded atom with realtime-ish constraints, I don't really want to even try that [02:34] kernelpanic: cripes [02:34] Jordan_U, i created the bootpool at the same time i did the zfs root pool, but something for sure has just gone wonky, i can no longer mount /boot/efi and my /dev/ is no longer populated with udev links [02:34] kernelpanic: that probably is a bit limited on ram then [02:35] Synx_hm: Indeed, it seems like you've got bigger problems than nvidia drivers, and those problems were just brought to light by your attempt to install nvidia drivers. [02:36] Jordan_U, indeed lol, well i have no idea where the hell my /boot zfs pool went but zfs mount lists nothing regarding my bpool DOH [02:36] Synx_hm: Try unmounting /boot/ and see if you're left with a directory that is still populated with (old) kernels, initramfs images, and grub. [02:36] sarnold, 4gb, that may not even be the issue, but there's a whole set of software-ci/production/build/documentation/support dependencies in this, so upgrading the kernel is about the most I can do. And Up until now, my impression that the kernel is really quite backwards-compatible, so I was hoping this can work. [02:36] Jordan_U, thats exactly whats going on, the bpool zfs /boot isn't even mounted, im looking at /boot as a directory on the rpool [02:36] ha [02:36] fml [02:37] Jordan_U, if i do get this part sorted out, am i correct in assuming that this damn driver should be blacklisted [02:38] Synx_hm: I haven't messed with proprietary nvidia drivers for years. I think, with the rest of your system configured correctly, ubuntu-drivers will successfully install the nvidia drivers without any futher manual configuration from you. [02:38] sweet [02:39] Jordan_U, so ive been following the zfsonlinux wiki page for zfs root on 18.04 any thoughts on that guide being the most up to date (already found the update-initramfs command not working but resolved that) [02:39] Synx_hm: It might be a little interesting making sure that you get everything sorted out so that you end up with the system you would have had if your /boot/ (and maybe other) pools hadn't stopped being mounted properly. [02:40] ya this zfsonlinux wiki guide does some extra systemd steps to mount the boot pool wonder if its not working with 20.04 or simply i did it wrong [02:41] Synx_hm: Did you install Ubuntu 20.04 fresh? Did you use the built in zfs support in the installer? [02:41] im using the 20.04 live cd but using debootstrap since im doing zfs encrypted root [02:41] kernelpanic: are you trying the signed or the -unsigned kernels? [02:42] kernelpanic: I'm 99% sure the -unsigned kernel packages aren't intended for user consumption but you may be the odd user who can benefit from it [02:42] Jordan_U, perhaps i should just try a generic install first to make sure any of this actually works lol [02:45] Jordan_U, actually now that i think about it that /boot issue has to be it. If /boot never mounted correctly after install all the attempts to install nvidia drivers would have never ended up in the actual initramfs since /boot was never actually mounted, so the module was never there and i guess the kernel is smart enough to not blacklist the only [02:45] driver it has [02:51] /uit [02:58] hey [02:58] hi [03:30] hm... if `killall` cannot kill an app, who is this bug to be reported to? linux kernel? [03:30] Are you root? [03:30] https://www.dropbox.com/s/vbu4czml2m4xqwe/annotation%202020-04-30%20132918.png?raw=1 - how come I can't configure partitions on two of the hard disks here? [03:31] Andrio, if that was supposed to be for me: it's a user process. But sudo also doesn't work [03:32] Maybe try `killall -KILL` [03:33] Andrio, that's interesting [03:33] worked [03:33] nice [03:33] "One bullet doesn't kill"-logic? [03:35] By default, the kill command sends SIGTERM. That signal may be ignored. [03:35] it does if it hits the brain [03:35] SIGKILL is insta-kill with no chance at cleaning anything up [03:35] There's no counter-curse. There's no blocking it. [03:35] does sigterm clean up anything? [03:36] kill -9 when you really really have to kill something [03:36] SIGTERM is similar to pressing Ctrl+C (which is actually SIGINT) [03:36] it can if the process in question handes it, yes [03:36] sigterm and sigint give the application a chance to clean up; sigkill just kills it dead, and leaves a mess all over the place [03:37] Yep, last resort [03:37] i wondered why sigterm didn't work on zombies. good to know [03:38] sigkill won't kill zomies either [03:38] they are already dead [03:38] if you want zombies cleaned up you have to kill their parent [04:00] Is there a way to make it so when ubuntu wakes up it does NOT goto the clock screen? [04:00] or disable the clock screen [04:01] Ugh, well, I got it to work, numerous small configuration issues taking NextCloud from version 15 to 18 and Ubuntu from 16.04 to 20.04. PHP packages were mostly not the issue (I was missing memcached for a bit there :P ) Thanks for the help sarnold, saved me from going much further on that goose chase. [04:03] cluelessperson_: So you don't want to enter a password on wake? [04:05] cluelessperson_: Not sure of your version, but try looking in the Brightness & Lock settings and turn off lock, see if that is what you want. Less secure of course, up to you though. [04:13] Synx_hm: It's not that the kernel is "smart enough" to not blacklist the driver, it's that 1: The kernel parameter to blacklist the driver was never actually added and 2: nouveau was loaded from the initramfs before any configuration on your root fs could blacklist it. Just because it's blacklisting the module, doesn't it mean that it's going to remove it after it's already loaded. [04:40] Hi,I am trying to understand how does Linux memory works. In my scenario, the sum of RSS doesn't add up to the amount of non-available memory in "free".Hardware: Lenovo Thinkpad E495Distro: Ubuntu 20.04 File System: ZFS* Use `free -h` to find how much memory is available. It shows 19Gi, which means that there are roughly 10Gi of memory is in used.$ [04:40] free -h total used free shared buff/cache availableMem: 29Gi 9.4Gi 17Gi 193Mi 2.4Gi 19GiSwap: 2.0Gi 0B 2.0Gi* Then I run `ps aux | awk '{sum+=$6} END {print sum / 1024}'` to give me the sum of RSS utilisation, which is 5.6Gi.$ ps aux | awk '{sum+=$6} [04:40] END {print sum / 1024}'5609Is there a way to see what is using that the other 4.4Gi of memory?Thanks,George [04:42] Could somebody help me? [04:43] How should I automatically unmount a sshfs storage at logout in Ubuntu? I've tried this. https://askubuntu.com/questions/263788/unmount-fuse-mountpoints-on-logout [04:48] sorry, just my previous msg is not readable. [04:48] Hi, [04:48] in used. [04:49] aux | awk '{sum+=$6} END {print sum / 1024}' [04:49] plenoh: did you happen to mess with your ss config file for KeepAlive interval? [04:49] *ssh [04:49] the line is ServerAliveInterval [04:50] Would I need it? [04:50] btw, thank you for responding to my question. [04:50] no, infact, if you log out and you didn't mess with it, then the ssh connection should disconnect after an interval [04:51] oh [04:51] If I log back in without doing a reboot, I can still see my [04:51] mounted drives [04:52] how long are you staying logged out? [04:52] less than a min [04:53] take a peek in ~/,ssh/config of /etc/ss/ssh_config and see if there's a line called ServerAliveInterval [04:54] on the client, not the server [04:54] oh ok [04:55] plenoh: Are you wanting it to unmount on logout for security reasons? [04:55] bluefox83: there is no such line in my conf file. [04:55] hrm [04:55] Jordan_U: I just like the idea of a clean exit. [04:56] Where may I see the logs [04:56] ? [04:56] I might be able to debug/troubleshoot this issue im facing. [04:57] i dunno [04:59] ya know, i'm really not that knowledgable about this. i've never set remote storage to disconnect on logout before because i've never really thought about it [04:59] i don't log my laptop out, so i don't really have a reason to [05:00] ah ok I see. Thanks for helping me though. [05:05] plenoh: what WM are you using? [05:06] some of them use something called session-cleanup-script [05:06] which runs when you log out [05:06] ah I'm looking at the log [05:07] I use lightdm and Ubuntu MATE [05:07] whats the log going to tell you? [05:07] ok, lightdm uses that, session-cleanup-script [05:07] you might just add umount to it [05:08] my script might be incorrect [05:09] ah [05:10] i haven't run lightdm in a while, so i don't really have any experience with it, and i've never run MATE [05:14] i'm not seeing a lot of difference between MATE and regular ubuntu... [05:22] plenoh: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/258434/how-can-i-have-a-filesystem-mounted-during-user-login [05:25] so i noticed after i upgraded to 20.04 that my laptop started up in like, 30 seconds flat...which is a whole 5 minutes fater than usual, i'm pretty stoked about that [05:25] *faster [05:25] sorry, i'm fatter, my laptop is FASTER === PowerTower_121 is now known as PowerTower_120 [05:32] wow, accidentally launched libreoffice and it started in like 4 seconds, this laptop has *Never* been that fast... [05:33] bluefox83: Do you by any chance have a hybrid SSD/HDD? [05:34] no, it's just a regular ssd [05:34] it was like $35 and it's maybe 500gb === the_ant1 is now known as the_ant [05:35] even so, it's had that on it for about 5 months, and it wasn't that fast before [05:35] i just updated to 20.04 this morning [05:39] bluefox83: I was wondering if maybe the upgrade had made a hybrid ssd/hdd put all of the executables that had just been written in the hot ssd cache, which would not have been an indication of a real performance increase. But thankfully that's not it :) [05:39] bluefox83: did you come from 18.04? [05:40] lotuspsychje: 19.10 [05:40] thats odd [05:40] yeah, i think it's the new kernel [05:40] i think it ships with 5.23 or something [05:41] and it's supposed to be much faster [05:41] i know systemd has slow issues/booting on 18.04 with kernel 4.15 and improved a lot on HWE [05:41] but on 19.10 that should been solved so.. [05:47] well, i have an old samsung laptop, and used to be, i would restart the laptop and i'd see the samsung screen, then it would take about 10 seconds and load grub, then after i selected ubuntu it would take a couple minutes to get to teh login screen [05:48] and now, i see the samsung screen that also has the ubuntu logo [05:48] and then after about 4 or 5 seconds it goes straight to the login screen [05:48] bluefox83: hard to say to compare in this stage, you should compare the systemd-analyze to see whats going on [05:49] lotuspsychje: everything seems to be running a lot faster now. opening applications like libre office, chrome, terminal...everything is way faster [05:49] .. amazing [05:50] and i upgraded, i didn't fresh install [05:50] bluefox83: try installing preload & haveged and stacer to make it a rocket :p [05:50] pretty sure i already have preload [05:51] i've never heard of haveged or stacer [05:52] !info haveged [05:52] haveged (source: haveged): Linux entropy source using the HAVEGE algorithm. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.9.1-6ubuntu1 (eoan), package size 27 kB, installed size 77 kB (Only available for linux-any) [05:52] !info stacer [05:52] Package stacer does not exist in eoan [05:52] ah yeah stacer is added on 20.04 and higher [05:52] i..already ran searches in apt.. [05:53] it says linux system optimizer and monitoring [05:53] bluefox83: lets continue in #ubuntu-discuss perhaps [06:00] I waana access ubuntu terminal from my android both are on same wifi network (i want to give commands to ubuntu using android) [06:00] How can i do? [06:01] Like we can use tmate [06:01] But i dont want to connect to third party [06:11] hm, installer crashed trying to set up a md RAID [06:12] TheBeastBoy: run openssh on your ubuntu system, and use juicessh on android [06:12] How? [06:12] bluefox83: ? [06:13] Is there any tutorial i am completely new to ubuntu [06:13] what do you mean, how? [06:13] oh [06:13] sudo apt install openssh [06:13] I mean [06:14] After installing? [06:14] it should auto-start after you install it [06:14] What to enter in jiucessh [06:14] then run ifconfig to get your local ip address [06:14] and then add that address to juice ssh [06:14] Next [06:15] the default port is 2020, long as you are on the same network you don't need to worry about ports [06:15] er, default port is 20 [06:17] Thnx [06:17] 20 or 2020? [06:18] just leave it for whatever is there [06:18] once you tell juicessh to connect it should show you a cli login [06:19] Okk [06:19] there's another app you might be interested in, it's called fing [06:20] it'll show you the IP address and show you all running services and ports [06:23] TheBeastBoy: so, is it working? [06:23] bluefox83: identity in juicessh? [06:24] that's asking your login info [06:24] don't worry about it [06:24] just hit connect [06:24] Cant [06:24] and it'll bring you to the prompt [06:24] It need a. Identity [06:26] no, just click on the connections page, and hit the + [06:26] fill in the address, and that's it [06:26] hit the checkmark [06:27] and then select it from the list [06:27] hello everyone. I am facing an issue with a system upgraded from 20.04 beta. I can not open attachments from thunderbird due to wrong permissions in /tmp/ [06:27] my system is running on LVM2 on an encrypted volume [06:28] the only pointer I found was this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1173947/ubuntu-19-04-thunderbird-and-firefox-cannot-open-attachment-nor-downloaded-file [06:29] bluefox83: no [06:29] It still need identity [06:30] What should i select in type? [06:30] thunderbird creates files in /tmp/mozilla_USERNAME/FILENAME with permissions like this: -r-------- 1 testuser testuser 777734 Apr 30 06:43 5527588_f201911034.pdf [06:30] TheBeastBoy: the ssh package you actually need is openssh-server [06:31] which is the real reason why it is trying to make you think you need the identity [06:33] XD === semeion is now known as mnemonic [07:09] Anyone experienced that /etc/aliases is ignored in default installation of Postfix in focal fossa ? [07:11] nomicon: did you run newaliases? [07:11] yes [07:15] ducasse: Ah it was a config mistake/mismatch between hostname and mydestination [07:19] Hello [07:19] hey [07:20] I have a script that runs as a process and upload images. I didn't set any queue but I kept getting this error and the process stops unless I restart the script again: background queue is full [07:20] does this have to do with memory? [07:27] how is unattended-upgrades run in a systemd system? I don't see anthing as a systemd timer unit or anythin in cron.d [07:28] cron [07:29] I don't see any cron file in dpkg -L's output [07:29] oh, sorry, you mentioned cron, it is is I think [07:29] not a pertinent file in /etc/cron.* [07:30] in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20auto-upgrades [07:31] but how is that executed? [07:31] To modify your update schedule: [07:31] $ sudo systemctl edit apt-daily.timer [07:31] https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/342663/who-starts-unattended-upgrades [07:36] ah, it realies on an apt timer [07:36] relies* [07:38] ok, and where can I read about the behaviour when a kernel is upgraded? [07:39] what behavior? [07:41] if /var/run/reboot-required exists, you know what to do [07:42] i think they want to see how ubuntu finds out if there's a new kernel to dl [07:42] no, I want to control what happend then [07:42] i don't want my customer's server to reboot without human intervention [07:42] StyXman: likr, blacklist specific kernel related packages? [07:42] hey there - banging my head against a wall with casper and squashfs goodness. I have a script that mounts the 18.04.1 iso in busybox as well as the filesystem.squashfs to copy files to a new partition and update grub from a chroot. This doesnt work with 18.04.4 as vmlinuz and initrc aren't in that casper/filesystem.squashfs file - why did this change and how can i make that chroot bootable? [07:43] StyXman: it wont, ever [07:43] it wont install without human intervention, and it wont restart on it's own [07:43] it will DOWNLOAD new kernels, but it wont install them [07:43] bluefox83: it won't install? [07:43] oh [07:44] but there's also this: [07:44] / Automatically reboot *WITHOUT CONFIRMATION* if a [07:44] / the file /var/run/reboot-required is found after the upgrade [07:44] /Unattended-Upgrade::Automatic-Reboot "false"; [07:44] yeah, that literally says it doesn't want unattended reboots [07:45] bluefox83: I could set it to true and it would reboot [07:46] StyXman: i guess. there are likely other things in place to prevent it though. you have to enter your password to INSTALL packages, and if you can't install then it wont have call to reboot [07:46] bluefox83: do you understand to use of unattended-upgrade? [07:46] the use* [07:47] yeah, it will automatically download and install the latest packages, if the system calls for it, it'll also restart, this is a BAD thing, you should never do it [07:47] you could break grub and not know it, you could break your WM [07:48] which you can fix both of those easily, but i doubt your client knows how to do that [07:49] StyXman: i didn't really notice, are you installing ubuntu for someone else, or running it in your own VM? [07:50] it's one server per client, it could be run on a VM or not [07:50] well, I'm only in charge of the VM [07:51] so you're running ubuntu server? [07:52] does it matter? it's an OVA based on a cloud-ready image [07:53] dunno if it's ubuntu-server or what lineage it has [07:53] if you get it started and you get a desktop login, it's not ubuntu server [07:54] i've not messed with cloud based stuff yet, i lack access [07:58] alright, i'm going to bed. [08:06] Hi guys, fresh installation of Kubuntu 20.04, "sudo apt-get install mariadb-server" hangs upon starting the mysqld. After shutting down the server with "systemctl stop mariadb" the installation finished fine, but everytime I try to run "systemctl start mariadb" it hangs. The mysqld is running in the background and there are no errors in log but the [08:06] "systemctl start mariadb" hangs until pressing of Ctrl+C. Any ideas what goes wrong here? [08:08] The "ps ax" shows "systemd-tty-ask-password" process which seems to be related to running "systemctl start mariadb". [08:08] And the mysqld is being shutdown after about 30 minutes from being started this way. === Woodpecker is now known as Guest806 [08:24] This very old bug seems similar to what I am seeing with Kubuntu 20.04 and MariaDB: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1456789 [08:24] Launchpad bug 1456789 in systemd (Ubuntu) "restarting services hangs on systemd-tty-ask-password-agent" [Undecided,Confirmed] [08:48] hi, is ubuntu 20.04 a TLS yet ? Is it already possible (recommanded ?) to upgrade from 18.04 ? [08:48] Just in case it matters. I originally installed "mysql-server", then I removed it with "apt-get remove mysql-server", then I did "apt-get autoremove" to remove dependencies as well and then I've installed MariaDB with "apt-get install mariadb-server" and get to the current point where "systemctl start mariadb-server" hangs/ [08:49] LTS* [08:49] !ltsupgrade [08:49] Regular upgrades from 18.04 LTS to 20.04 LTS will be enabled once 20.04.1 is released in late July. This delay helps to ensure that any lingering issues are resolved before people upgrade production systems. If you'd prefer to upgrade now, use sudo do-release-upgrade -d [08:50] wait for the pointrelease [09:00] I am a research scholar and i have to research papers in .doc format and then upload them to Onedrive. Previously i use linux (ubuntu, solus, elementary...) and i love the management and free apps. But when i tried libre office, it break my .doc file very badly. WPS office work good but still sometimes it fails (even after installing fonts). Tell [09:00] me some suggestion, how can migrate from windows to linux. [09:01] I hate Microsoft... i use MS just because i have to write in .doc file so that i can submit them to journalsl [09:01] journals* [09:02] almost all journals want me to write in .doc format instead of latex/pdf.. [09:02] anyone? [09:03] You can use MS Office in Linux even if it is not 100% perfect solution. [09:03] sure all offices accept ODF [09:04] wine/cross-over not work for me [09:04] i tried, they able to run software, but when i open file in other system, it still breaks the structure [09:05] ODF is solution, but still not working that much good [09:05] Then don't leave Microsoft Windows and Microsoft Office? [09:06] Virtualize it. [09:06] In GNU/Linux. [09:06] even web-version of office don't have complete features... [09:07] That's probably true. I don't use the online version. But I do have Microsoft 365 Family which includes the online versions of all the apps. [09:07] How do u manage ur files? [09:07] Btw. Properly formated document doesn't break on other systems. Not even in .doc format. [09:07] Believe me, it breaks [09:08] ssst, he is researching [09:08] i am die hard user of MS [09:08] I don't know how to answer your question Sanav, as I don't know what exactly you mean by that. [09:09] But I tend to keep things separated. Meaning what happens in Windows stays in Windows. [09:09] What happens in Linux stays in Linux. [09:10] hmm... i think, i don't have any other option then [09:10] Thanks bro! [09:11] If I were to zig zag between different systems, Windows vs. GNU/Linux, or Libre Office vs. Microsoft Office, I would make sure to use a cross-compatible file format, and make sure to run some test to ensure everything works as planned. [09:12] I don't know about DOC files, I haven't touched those in years, but I do have some. However ODF and DOCX will likely work well as an exchange format. [09:13] And for portability you probably want to use PDF anyway, not DOC/DOCX/ODF. Now that it's an open standard. [09:14] can I install Chromium WITHOUT snap? I'm getting a few seconds lag with snap. I don't get this on 18.04. I am with 20.04....... [09:14] LaTeX... well... I don't know about that. Unless I'm typesetting the journal article myself I would probably still go for DOCX/ODF. [09:15]