[05:14] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: playing around with plasma's wacom setup and I am realizing that any DE that has a tablet setup applet is going to cause the same trouble as -controls vs. Cadence. There will two applets trying to do the same thing. I am becoming much more unsure about duplicating this functionality
[05:16] <Eickmeyer> Maybe it's time to save the effort?
[05:16] <OvenWerks> I think it would be reasonable to make a non-wacom tablet visible to xsetwacom
[05:16] <Eickmeyer> That I can agree with.
[05:18] <OvenWerks> but kde already allows the set up of more than one profile on more than one device that can be switched with hot keys
[05:20] <Eickmeyer> Maybe, instead of duplicating the effort then, you'd want to help improve the kcm? (KDE Control Module)
[05:21] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I also noticed (quite aside from that) that you put the change for ubuntustudio-controls in for GG as well as F but I thought for G we were changing the name to Studio-controls
[05:22] <OvenWerks> That is a different package
[05:23] <Eickmeyer> The problem there is that, for the SRU, GG had to have the fix before FF. That's a requirement .
[05:23] <OvenWerks> I wondered that.
[05:23] <OvenWerks> ok
[05:24] <Eickmeyer> The dummy version will happen later.
[05:24] <OvenWerks> my reason for asking is that my intent was to do all further development on S-c
[05:25] <Eickmeyer> Right, and I agree, just little bugfixes like this need to get through too. I think we'll be in the clear after this.
[05:26] <OvenWerks> I hope so
[05:26] <Eickmeyer> If not, backports.
[05:27] <OvenWerks> Ok, so I will remove most of the tablet stuff I have (it is mostly GUI anyway. And switch to detecting tablets xsetwacom does not.
[05:28] <Eickmeyer> Ik
[05:28] <Eickmeyer> *Ok
[05:29] <OvenWerks> If you read the backscroll there are some of the numbers I don't understand anyway... in fact a lot of it
[05:30] <OvenWerks> I will see if I can work with the developers of the KDE tablet setup as well. as I think it is not as intuitive as it could be
[05:32] <Eickmeyer> I think they would appreciate that. RikMills would probably know who to get in touch with.
[05:40] <OvenWerks> thats wierd, kubuntu has texdoctk installed but it is missing of of it's depends... it comes up with a screen that says: The program texdoctk needs the package perl-tk, please install it!
[05:41] <Eickmeyer> I wonder if it has something to do with a licensing issue with perl?
[05:42] <OvenWerks> perl-tk is in our repos
[05:43] <Eickmeyer> Then perhaps it's an effort to keep iso size down.(I'm spitballing)
[05:44] <OvenWerks> it seems an odd thing to be in kubuntu at all
[05:44] <OvenWerks> I mean TK graphics?
[05:45] <Eickmeyer> Something is likely using it as a dependency but not intending it be run directly.
[05:46] <OvenWerks> it is a part of texlive-base
[05:47] <OvenWerks> perl-tk is a suggests
[05:51] <OvenWerks> probably a typesetting program I guess... maybe one of ours then
[05:51] <Eickmeyer> Scribus?
[05:52] <OvenWerks> as a suggests I think
[05:53] <OvenWerks> it suggests texlive-latex-recommended which sounds like a meta
[05:56] <OvenWerks> Not a meta but that would pull it in
[06:00] <OvenWerks> Well I will say, it fits right in with my CDE theme
[06:02] <OvenWerks> anyway, installing perl-tk just points out the data base is also not installed  :P
[06:13] <OvenWerks> it is as happens a document reader
 not sure how that numbers work there but it might have to do with the matrix setup
 or ooh no
 ovenworks those are the position on the tablet I believe
 tablets have a resolution of pixels where it detects the pressure. it maps that grid to the screen grid
 not sure if this makes sense
 re the overlap could we have a setting that says "use kde's tool instead" for what we already have?
 contributing to wacom's existing tool might be an idea
 the main issue with plasma one is that it doesnt automatically switch between profiles
 the other issue is brightness levels of screens of tablets but that is a very different and very large can of worms
[15:17]  * StevenJayCohen now understands why Gnome theming is "broken"
[15:21] <StevenJayCohen> I took a few days to do the research and I now get why so many themes break small things. I did some playing around with this and now have to catch up on editing audio :)
[15:23] <OvenWerks> @azbulutlu: Re screen brightness, doent the display setup do that?
[15:26] <OvenWerks> @azbulutlu: maybe the user I had trouble with screen coverage had the area set to bigger than the phisical pad somehow
 screen brightness doesnt control external screens. there is one commandline utility that sort of controls backlight on some systems but with my old and new cintiq it doesnt work :)
 ovenwerks it might be to adjust to the screen proportions
 if the proportions of their screen was not the exact proportion of the tablet? but that is a bit strange a lot of those settings in plasma wacom utility is via toggles and even if you need to do something custom you can go through the gui
 so you will see those values sey but you do not need to manually adapt them.
[15:54] <OvenWerks> @azbulutlu: so how do you adjust the screen brightness? I don't recall anything in xsetwacom
[15:56] <OvenWerks> with regard toscreen area the person left with the idea of this doesn't work so theyre gone so I don't have someone to try with.
[15:57] <OvenWerks> but if the area was set to more pix than the tablet had then they would not be able access all the screen.
 I dont
 xD
 set the screen brightness that is. there currently is no way to do it
[15:58] <OvenWerks> @azbulutlu: so your screen/tablet is a USB device? what shows on the screen? does it mirror one of the system screens? act as an extension to system screens?
 oh I can adjust what it shows with kde display settings
 arandr or xrandr if I want to scale it up or down
 it connects via hdmi
 but there is no way to adjust the backlight levels
[16:00] <OvenWerks> but the kde setting don't have brightness?
 for primary screen (my laptop) it does
 but that doesnt handle the external screen
 it is a pretty well known problem
 it was same with xfce btw
[16:01] <OvenWerks> have you used the gama settings screen?
[16:02] <OvenWerks> that would not effect the backlite though
 that is not the same thing
 yes I can use xbackground to lower the backlight to 0 but the backlight is still on and bright
[16:02] <OvenWerks> no... err well it is with a CRT :)
 hahah
[16:02]  * OvenWerks has used it with a crt
 xD
 I am sorry but I am laughing out loud at this
 <3
[16:03]  * OvenWerks has been around a while
 yep.
 they have not been used for ummm more than a decade and half? :)
[16:04] <OvenWerks> I replaced the last one here about 4 months ago.
 :)
 brb groceries
[16:18] <OvenWerks> @azbulutlu:so your tablet has two connections to the computer: USB and HDMI? And the tablet itself has no controls for brightness?
[16:19] <OvenWerks> HDMI does not have controls, the mintor is expected to have it's own controls, does the tablet have no settings?
[16:19] <OvenWerks> @azbulutlu: is there a way of setting brightness on win/macos?
[16:25] <OvenWerks> if the device does not have settings switches on board and windows has, then it must be sent through USB. Does xsetpointer -l show more than two devices?
[16:52] <OvenWerks> @azbulutlu: looking at the manual for one of the cintiq tablets, it shows that from their control applet it is possible to set backlight.
[16:54] <OvenWerks> I find it funny that the manual on the cover shows it as only for one device but the applet graphic says "The available options listed below will vary, depending on your device" The manual writer was too lazy to get a new screen shot for each manual :P
[16:55] <OvenWerks> (should be fired)
[16:57] <OvenWerks> @azbulutlu: If xsetpointer -l shows three devices that are a part of your tablet (same id) does xsetwacom list devices also show those three devices?
[16:59] <OvenWerks> And can you paste the output of xsetwacom xsetwacom -s get 'HID 256c:006e Pad pad' all
[16:59] <OvenWerks> but replace the 'HID 
[17:00] <OvenWerks>                    256c:006e Pad pad' with each device xsetwacom list devices shows?
 Ovenwerks: yes my tablet has 2 connectors. a usb and HDMI (some VERY new tablets have single usb-c in some cases but it is the same end result as far as I know)
 and yes I believe in windows the wacom driver allows you to set the screen backlight
 it is not a wacom/tablet specific problem
 this is a problem that happens with many external screens that doesn't have hardware buttons to adjust
 xsetwacom shows 3 devices, but the pad doesn't have a brightness option
 generally xsetwacom doesn't deal with the viewing part at all, that one is delegated to what is handling the external screens
 sure one sec
 ok this is interesting
 I only have pen stylus and pen eraser, on this new cintiq 16, not a "pad" device
 I use xsetwacom —list
 but as I said it wouldn't necessarily matter in this case. I believe as the pad only deals with the pad mapping (the area that you move the pointer in) not the screen that happens to be under it
 Cintiq 16 (2019 model)
 xsetwacom set "Wacom Cintiq 16 Pen stylus" "Area" "400 400 69232 39118" … xsetwacom set "Wacom Cintiq 16 Pen stylus" "Button" "1" "button +1 " … xsetwacom set "Wacom Cintiq 16 Pen stylus" "Button" "2" "button +2 " … xsetwacom set "Wacom Cintiq 16 Pen stylus" "Button" "3" "button +3 " … xsetwacom set "Wacom Cintiq 16 Pen stylus" "Button"
[17:26] <studiobot>  "8" "button +8 " … xsetwacom set "Wacom Cintiq 16 Pen stylus" "ToolDebugLevel" "0" … xsetwacom set "Wacom Cintiq 16 Pen stylus" "TabletDebugLevel" "0" … xsetwacom set "Wacom Cintiq 16 Pen stylus" "Suppress" "2" … xsetwacom set "Wacom Cintiq 16 Pen stylus" "RawSample" "4" … xsetwacom set "Wacom Cintiq 16 Pen stylus" "PressureCurve" "0 0 100 100" … 
[17:26] <studiobot> xsetwacom set "Wacom Cintiq 16 Pen stylus" "Mode" "Absolute" … xsetwacom set "Wacom Cintiq 16 Pen stylus" "TabletPCButton" "off" … xsetwacom set "Wacom Cintiq 16 Pen stylus" "Touch" "off" … Property 'Wacom Hardware Touch Switch' does not exist on device. … xsetwacom set "Wacom Cintiq 16 Pen stylus" "Gesture" "off" … xsetwacom set "Wacom Cintiq 16 P
[17:26] <studiobot> en stylus" "ZoomDistance" "0" … xsetwacom set "Wacom Cintiq 16 Pen stylus" "ScrollDistance" "0" … xsetwacom set "Wacom Cintiq 16 Pen stylus" "TapTime" "250" … Property 'Wacom Proximity Threshold' does not exist on device. … xsetwacom set "Wacom Cintiq 16 Pen stylus" "Rotate" "none" … Property 'Wacom Wheel Buttons' does not exist on device. … Proper
[17:26] <studiobot> ty 'Wacom Wheel Buttons' does not exist on device. … Property 'Wacom Wheel Buttons' does not exist on device. … Property 'Wacom Wheel Buttons' does not exist on device. … Property 'Wacom Wheel Buttons' does not exist on device. … Property 'Wacom Wheel Buttons' does not exist on device. … Property 'Wacom Strip Buttons' does not exist on device. … Pr
[17:26] <studiobot> operty 'Wacom Strip Buttons' does not exist on device. … Property 'Wacom Strip Buttons' does not exist on device. … Property 'Wacom Strip Buttons' does not exist on device. … xsetwacom set "Wacom Cintiq 16 Pen stylus" "Threshold" "27" … xsetwacom set "Wacom Cintiq 16 Pen stylus" "BindToSerial" "0" … xsetwacom set "Wacom Cintiq 16 Pen stylus" "Press
[17:26] <studiobot> ureRecalibration" "on" … xsetwacom set "Wacom Cintiq 16 Pen stylus" "PanScrollThreshold" "2600"
 xsetwacom set "Wacom Cintiq 16 Pen eraser" "Area" "400 400 69232 39118" … xsetwacom set "Wacom Cintiq 16 Pen eraser" "Button" "1" "button +1 " … xsetwacom set "Wacom Cintiq 16 Pen eraser" "Button" "2" "button +2 " … xsetwacom set "Wacom Cintiq 16 Pen eraser" "Button" "3" "button +3 " … xsetwacom set "Wacom Cintiq 16 Pen eraser" "Button"
[17:26] <studiobot>  "8" "button +8 " … xsetwacom set "Wacom Cintiq 16 Pen eraser" "ToolDebugLevel" "0" … xsetwacom set "Wacom Cintiq 16 Pen eraser" "TabletDebugLevel" "0" … xsetwacom set "Wacom Cintiq 16 Pen eraser" "Suppress" "2" … xsetwacom set "Wacom Cintiq 16 Pen eraser" "RawSample" "4" … xsetwacom set "Wacom Cintiq 16 Pen eraser" "PressureCurve" "0 0 100 100" … 
[17:26] <studiobot> xsetwacom set "Wacom Cintiq 16 Pen eraser" "Mode" "Absolute" … Property 'Wacom Hover Click' does not exist on device. … xsetwacom set "Wacom Cintiq 16 Pen eraser" "Touch" "off" … Property 'Wacom Hardware Touch Switch' does not exist on device. … xsetwacom set "Wacom Cintiq 16 Pen eraser" "Gesture" "off" … xsetwacom set "Wacom Cintiq 16 Pen eraser" 
[17:26] <studiobot> "ZoomDistance" "0" … xsetwacom set "Wacom Cintiq 16 Pen eraser" "ScrollDistance" "0" … xsetwacom set "Wacom Cintiq 16 Pen eraser" "TapTime" "250" … Property 'Wacom Proximity Threshold' does not exist on device. … xsetwacom set "Wacom Cintiq 16 Pen eraser" "Rotate" "none" … Property 'Wacom Wheel Buttons' does not exist on device. … Property 'Wacom W
[17:27] <studiobot> heel Buttons' does not exist on device. … Property 'Wacom Wheel Buttons' does not exist on device. … Property 'Wacom Wheel Buttons' does not exist on device. … Property 'Wacom Wheel Buttons' does not exist on device. … Property 'Wacom Wheel Buttons' does not exist on device. … Property 'Wacom Strip Buttons' does not exist on device. … Property 'Wac
[17:27] <studiobot> om Strip Buttons' does not exist on device. … Property 'Wacom Strip Buttons' does not exist on device. … Property 'Wacom Strip Buttons' does not exist on device. … xsetwacom set "Wacom Cintiq 16 Pen eraser" "Threshold" "27" … xsetwacom set "Wacom Cintiq 16 Pen eraser" "BindToSerial" "0" … xsetwacom set "Wacom Cintiq 16 Pen eraser" "PressureRecalibr
[17:27] <studiobot> ation" "on" … xsetwacom set "Wacom Cintiq 16 Pen eraser" "PanScrollThreshold" "2600"
[17:27] <Eickmeyer> Ack! Gonna break the bot!!!!
 the whole thing might not be copying to IRC
 sorry
[17:27] <Eickmeyer> !paste | @azbutlutlu
 *goes to do that
 but hey I don't normally do this part. :)
[17:27] <Eickmeyer> :D
 https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wkXmNyJgtx/
 there we go
 @eickmeyer in all fairness through I think the bot broke before I pasted that in :)
 nvm, it is just the logs that didn't catch up yet...
[17:47] <Eickmeyer> @azbulutlu It's all good. Seems to be normal on the IRC end.
 :)
[19:13] <OvenWerks> @azbulutlu: by paste I meant something like comand |pastebinit and give the url...
[19:14] <OvenWerks> @azbulutlu: try looking at:https://github.com/linuxwacom/input-wacom/wiki/Display-Settings-(Brightness,-Contrast,-etc.)
[19:15] <OvenWerks> apparently it is separate from /dev/input/*
[19:18] <OvenWerks> @azbulutlu:I assume the "Area" "400 400 69232 39118" means that you have soft buttons as part of the pad area
[19:20] <OvenWerks> @azbulutlu: I would assume that is the same problem one of the people was having where they could not move the pen to the top of the screen. Actually 400 might be a scroll bar
[19:21] <OvenWerks> there are no controls in the paste that look like display control.
[19:23] <OvenWerks> it looks like ddcutil is the thing that can work.
[19:25] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: it looks like the ddcutil package may become dep for controls
[19:27] <OvenWerks> @azbulutlu: I think the best thing to do with -controls, is to first cover the parts of tablet setting that the DE tablet setup applet does not cover.
[19:28] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Ok
[19:28] <Eickmeyer> !info ddcutil groovy
[19:30]  * OvenWerks wonders what "Pen eraser" is...
[19:30] <Eickmeyer> I can answer that. When a certain button on a wacom tablet pen is activated, it tells the tablet to use the pen as an eraser.
[19:32] <OvenWerks> yeah but that is more of an application thing. I don't see that as being a tablet end thing... kind of over kill to add a whole interface for just that.
[19:32] <Eickmeyer> Agreed. The application should be able to sense the eraser button. Nothing to do with config.
[19:35] <OvenWerks> The tablet has buttons (1 to 3 and 8 to 16) the xsetwacom command can set those buttons to act like a keyboard sending the cammands that undo, set eraser mode, zoom in/out or whatever the user desires
[19:36] <OvenWerks> The pen acts as three buttons that dulicate buttons 1-3 on a mouse
[19:37]  * OvenWerks wanders off for a bit
[19:48] <eylul[m]> ovenwerks: I can tell you ddcutil doesn't work. :) 
[19:48] <eylul[m]> and pen eraser is the drawing option at the back of the pen. 
[19:49] <eylul[m]> both sides of the pen has pressure sensitivity, it IS useful to have it even if you are not using it as an eraser (it is equally useful to use it say as a larger brush and swap between the two)
[19:52] <Eickmeyer> eylul[m]: Is that configured at the application level?
[19:52] <eylul[m]> it can be
[19:52] <eylul[m]> some applications see it automatically as an eraser
[19:52] <Eickmeyer> That's my experience.
[19:53] <eylul[m]> some see it as a second pen,
[19:53] <eylul[m]> some unfortunately keeps using it like front glares at inkscape
[19:53] <eylul[m]> it is a lot easier than to have to press a key
[19:53] <eylul[m]> especially in newer wacoms without the key shortcuts on left side
[19:53] <eylul[m]> (the newer cintiqs do not have shortcut buttons)
[19:53] <eylul[m]> (they sell a separate device for that...)
[19:54] <eylul[m]> sorry this is probably more you guys want to know about tablets ;D
[19:54] <Eickmeyer> I'm thinking in terms of the Microsoft Surface Pro which is pretty much a Wacom tablet on steroids when used in conjunction with the pen.
[19:55] <Eickmeyer> And yes, it can run Linux, but requires a special kernel to take advantage of the tablet and touchscreen functions.
[19:55] <eylul[m]> I believe it uses wacom technology actually
[19:55] <Eickmeyer> Oh, it absolutely does.
[19:55] <eylul[m]> a lot of the pen devices, laptops etc do
[19:56] <eylul[m]> I would argue that proper cintiqs are more on stereoids
[19:56] <eylul[m]> better pen sensitivity and resolution
[19:56] <eylul[m]> easier to use pens. and you do have a screen :))
[19:56] <eylul[m]> wacom also has computer devices too..
[19:56] <eylul[m]> so slate computers with the high end digitizer :))
[19:57] <eylul[m]> also yeah same problem with linux I believe
[19:57] <Eickmeyer> IPTS support hasn't completely landed in Linux yet.
[19:58] <eylul[m]> nods
[20:02] <OvenWerks> @azbulutlu: so ddcutil doesn't work? even with the kernel module installed?
[20:03] <eylul[m]> I... think not?
[20:04] <eylul[m]> I mean I did follow the instructions that were given but didn't work after rebooting
[20:04] <eylul[m]> basically it is not seeing the screen
[20:05] <eylul[m]> I wasn't exactly sure which stage the whole thing was breaking through because I wasn't able to see if the kernel module was loading or not
[20:05] <eylul[m]> hang on let me check my notes on it
[20:07] <eylul[m]> oh yes, I now remember what happened with it
[20:07] <eylul[m]> it doesn't like nvidia drivers. xD
[20:08] <eylul[m]> there is a solution-ish https://www.ddcutil.com/nvidia/
[20:08] <eylul[m]> that's what i tried
[20:08] <eylul[m]> and it didn't work. but I wasn't sure if the settings didn't fix themselves
[20:08] <eylul[m]> or because it doesn't work with my version of card/driver anyway :D
[20:12] <OvenWerks> so wireshark usb bus while running the utility in wine...
[20:12] <OvenWerks> (unless it really does do something through hdmi)
[20:13] <eylul[m]> is not sure
[20:36] <OvenWerks> while my son would love a screen type tablet... That is not likely to happen anytime soon. He also uses a nvidia driver.
[21:11] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: RE: bug #1872187 do get it correctly that only someone with the bug can to the confirm testing? (SRU Verification)
[21:15] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Unfortunately, that's how SRUs work. Oliver has been plenty responsive.
[21:17] <OvenWerks> I will take no action then :)