[00:00] <Deano59> net's working fine, though.
[00:01] <Deano59> bottom right, by "time" NM is greyed out Jordan_U
[00:06] <eaglgenes101> I'm not finding any issues related to mine on the internet (still searching tho, but I'm not optimistic given results so far)
[00:12] <eaglgenes101> I can find issues aplenty about needing to run the gdm3 service to get the graphical interface up and running, but not one about the system not showing the login screen even when I do start the service
[00:13] <tomreyn> eaglgenes101: maybe others haven't run into this problem because they didn't go for the unsupported upgrade path, yet, but chose to wait until there is one that's supported.
[00:13] <sarnold> eaglgenes101: any chance you've got two video cards? I wonder if the login manager thing is going out an hdmi port that you're not looking at
[00:15] <eaglgenes101> lspci finds only integrated intel graphics
[00:15] <sarnold> aha
[00:15] <sarnold> journalctl? dmesg? xorg logs?
[00:15] <tomreyn> !paste
[00:15] <sarnold> heh, good idea ;)
[00:16] <tomreyn> :) it occasionally helps
[00:16] <bray90820> I am here on ubuntu 20.04 and an HP 5400 printer and no matter what I do all I can get the printer state to say "Processing - Rendering completed"
[00:16] <eaglgenes101> lemme go dive into that hole
[00:21] <tripelb> What is the difference between Ubuntu and mate desktop and Ubuntu mate core ??
[00:21] <sarnold> tripelb: you may get more traction onthe question in #ubuntu-mate
[00:21] <tripelb> What is the difference between Ubuntu-mate-desktop and Ubuntu-mate-core ??
[00:21] <tripelb> Ok
[00:22] <aleph-> So bit of an odd question. What does ubuntu 18.04LTS server do under the hood on first set up networking wise? Out bound is completely fine, but ping's are dropped and I can't hit it over ssh/curl, etc. Already disabled the INPUT chain in the filter table. Set it to ACCEPT and then flushed it of rules
[00:23] <tomreyn> bray90820: see whether your specific model (deskjet 5400 would be a series, i think) is listed at https://developers.hp.com/hp-linux-imaging-and-printing/supported_devices/index - if so, the hplip driver which comes with ubuntu should usually suffice.
[00:23] <sarnold> aleph-: bare metal? cloud instance? vm?
[00:24] <aleph-> Bare metal
[00:24] <aleph-> And heya sarnold
[00:24] <aleph-> Made sure UFW was disabled as well.
[00:25] <sarnold> aleph-: heya :) it should be pretty minimal -- some instances come up with sshd listening, but many don't; icmp should be open though
[00:25] <ChmEarl> https://lists.xenproject.org/archives/html/xen-devel/2020-05/msg00000.html
[00:25] <bray90820> tomreyn: Yes it has full support and it was previously working on 18.04 and 19.10
[00:26] <tripelb> shinobi__o far the google answer.. https://askubuntu.com/questions/1148166/difference-between-mate-installation-packages
[00:26] <tripelb> theantze first word on that was SO But Android is messed up
[00:26] <tripelb> Yes I tried to have autocorrect uninstalled
[00:27] <flyback> I don't think it looks like 20.04 has a txt installer to fall back to
[00:27] <flyback> it's gone
[00:28] <sarnold> flyback: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-legacy-server/releases/20.04/release/
[00:28] <aleph-> sarnold: ICMP is not open. https://paste.rs/pQq
[00:28] <sarnold> flyback: please file a bug report about what the old one does that the new one doesn't do
[00:28] <flyback> ah thx
[00:28] <aleph-> Getting all packets dropped
[00:29] <Deano59> fixed it Jordan_U :D! https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/change-netplan-renderer-from-networkd-to-networkmanager/
[00:29] <flyback> well there's no option in the new txt.cfg for like a text install it appears
[00:29] <flyback> when I go to edit it
[00:29] <sarnold> aleph-: amachine I set up a few days ago responds to pings fine, I certainly didn't do anything special to allow icmp through ..
[00:29] <aleph-> Hmm, let me set it up again...
[00:29] <Sven_vB> so on Xenial, "dpkg -S cryptsetup | grep conf-hooks" gives "cryptsetup: /usr/share/initramfs-tools/conf-hooks.d/cryptsetup". on focal, the output is empty, albeit cryptsetup is installed and /sbin/cryptsetup exists. what do I need to install to get the initram hook on focal?
[00:29] <tomreyn> bray90820: see if you can find out more about what's not working at http://017700000001:631 or in the systemd journal (journalctl -e)
[00:31] <aleph-> Huh a reboot fixed it
[00:31] <aleph-> Course
[00:31] <flyback> it's fine I don't mind using the old installer
[00:31] <Sven_vB> oh I guess I need cryptsetup-initramfs
[00:32] <aleph-> And take that back, it's booting from install media again. Sigh
[00:36] <aleph-> Okay re-installing. Let's see if that fixes things
[00:36] <aleph-> sarnold: For color, using the 18.04.2 server iso
[00:37] <tomreyn> why not use 18.04.4?
[00:38] <aleph-> Was the one I saw on the site
[00:38] <aleph-> Just spinning this up for a quick test of something
[00:39] <aleph-> Heh that's fun
[00:39] <aleph-> So the issue was it registering another ip on boot, and my router not updating the hostname to match
[00:40] <aleph-> Was pinging a dead address
[00:54] <sarnold> aleph-: aha! that'll do it :)
[00:55] <aleph-> Eyeppp
[00:55] <aleph-> How goes sarnold?
[00:55] <sarnold> aleph-: not bad, too much work, too little play, the usual... how are you doing?
[00:56] <aleph-> Eh overworked these past two weeks. Forklifting our infra into AWS from Linode
[00:56] <aleph-> Nice features there now but tons of work >_>
[00:56] <aleph-> Got like a week left before I an slow down since it's just ancillary services then
[00:58] <sarnold> aleph-: oh wow, that's quite a haul to change providers like that
[00:58] <sarnold> aleph-: good luck :)
[00:58] <aleph-> Aye, it's going fairly well
[01:00] <aleph-> And thanks
[01:15] <flyback> heh
[01:15] <flyback> the one guide says use unetbootin
[01:15] <flyback> then the installer says unetbootin detected, this regularly causes problems
[01:15] <flyback> hahaha
[01:16] <flyback> but it's rolling over sol
[01:16] <flyback> so thx sarnold
[01:16] <sarnold> flyback: working? :)
[01:16] <flyback> so far
[01:17] <sarnold> cool cool
[01:18] <flyback> sherlock will live again soon
[01:23] <flyback> failed
[01:23] <flyback> oh well
[01:33] <shinobi__> If I have 20.04 install over 18.04, it says it will format my ESP. Will it rebuild grub entries for my Windows partition?
[01:34]  * flyback gives up and fires up a windows box to run rufus
[01:34] <flyback> I swear I will have children before linux produces a usb writer that doesn't randomly canuck up
[01:34] <housecat> i just use dd and it works fine
[01:34] <housecat> congratulations on your children
[01:35] <flyback> dd writes the iso which is then *NOT* editable due to isofs being a read only filesystem
[01:35] <flyback> genius
[01:35] <housecat> ah, missed that bit
[01:35] <oerheks> oh, that is not a faiilure
[01:36] <housecat> although to be fair, that's a bit more involved than "usb writer"
[01:36] <flyback> well unetbootin unpacks etc but it fouls up too much from all the times I tried it
[01:36] <housecat> yeah, unetbootin's a bit crap
[01:36] <flyback> not a big deal I been dealing with linux since 96 or so, I am used to workarounds
[01:37] <oerheks> mkusb can create a persistence part
[01:38] <flyback> it's fine
[01:44] <flyback> oo the 13th floor is on one of my favorite movied
[01:46] <flyback> yeah normally dd would be fine housecat but I have to configure the installer for silent running
[01:46] <flyback> aka text mode over a serial link
[02:00] <tripelb> I wanted to install chrome on 20.04 And following the instructions I got a deb package It opens in an archive manager. I have absolutely no idea what to do with it. If I say extract I get a dialog box to open something but I can't seem to find whatever I need to find to do whatever I need to do. Please please help me.
[02:00] <flyback> the hell with it, I don't have patience anymore lke I used to so I will just rig up a monitor tomarrow to the box to do the install
[02:00] <flyback> thx for the help
[02:01] <sarnold> flyback: heh, bugger :(
[02:01] <sarnold> tripelb: where'd you get the instructions?
[02:01] <tripelb> Wait up.. i found more instructions.
[02:02] <tripelb> Chrome download page sarnold
[02:02] <tripelb> That's originally Now I'm on oh my god Ubuntu UK
[02:04] <tripelb> Aha, The page says the software app will open What actually happened is an archive manager opened with an opportunity to extract.
[02:46] <johnflux> Ubuntu focal is missing a bunch of i386 packages.  Is this intentional or do I just need to wait?
[02:47] <int3l> does anyone know why the umask 0022 from Ubuntu 18.04 changed to umask 0002 in 20.04?
[02:55] <leftyfb> johnflux: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=32-bit-Ubuntu-20.04-LTS-Plans
[03:09] <eaglgenes101> So GrmDisplay reports that the session was never registered, and is failing
[03:10] <eaglgenes101> *GdmDisplay
[03:10] <eaglgenes101> And then a child process is already dead, which is reported twice for whatever reason
[03:58] <eaglgenes101> So I managed to work around it using an alternative greeter and desktop env
[04:27] <DumbLDoor> Hello all! I don't see Desktop files after upgrading to 20.04, I did a clean install.
[04:36] <lotuspsychje> DumbLDoor: install gnome-tweaks to enable or disable desktop icons
[04:39] <DumbLDoor> @lotuspsychje - it does not work.
[04:39] <DumbLDoor> I found the music and desktop folders missing as well.
[04:40] <lotuspsychje> DumbLDoor: gnome-tweaks/extensions/desktop icons/ enabled or disabled at your end?
[04:41] <DumbLDoor> lotuspsychje: Enabled
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> DumbLDoor: did you try switching again?
[04:41] <DumbLDoor> yes, just turned it on, i had tried earlier too
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> DumbLDoor: you could try it in dconf-editor too
[04:47] <DumbLDoor> lotuspsychje: is it file or a utility?
[04:49] <lotuspsychje> !info dconf-tools | DumbLDoor
[04:49] <lotuspsychje> !info dconf-editor
[04:49] <DumbLDoor> lotuspsychje: I see the desktop icons get disabled automatically
[04:50] <lotuspsychje> DumbLDoor: regular desktops icons, its normal to not have anymore from 18.04 and higher
[04:50] <lotuspsychje> DumbLDoor: with with tweaks, you should get at least /home and trash and mounted volumes etc
[04:51] <DumbLDoor> lotuspsychje: No and enabling extensions makes tweak windows flutter
[04:52] <lotuspsychje> DumbLDoor: do you have other extensions that could conflict?
[04:53] <DumbLDoor> lotuspsychje: I have a clean install, wondering what can cause a conflict. Yaru theme can mess up mauybe
[04:54] <lotuspsychje> DumbLDoor: didnt you say you upgraded to 20.04?
[04:54] <DumbLDoor> lotuspsychje: Yes, a clean 20.04 install
[04:55] <lotuspsychje> thats not an upgrade then, or did you let setup take over your existing /home DumbLDoor ?
[04:55] <DumbLDoor> lotuspsychje: Sorry, not a technical upgrade.
[04:56] <DumbLDoor> lotuspsychje: I specified my ubuntu os dir as "/" and home partition as "/home" while installing.
[04:56] <lotuspsychje> DumbLDoor: specified= took over your old or not?
[04:57] <DumbLDoor> lotuspsychje: took over old, yes. to be more precise - on a separate partition.
[04:57] <lotuspsychje> DumbLDoor: right..
[04:58] <lotuspsychje> DumbLDoor: what you could try, is setting gnome back to defaults on the menu ontop gnome-tweaks
[04:58] <lotuspsychje> DumbLDoor: but be carefull
[04:59] <lotuspsychje> DumbLDoor: make a backup before, cause this will reset all your gnome configs back to defaults again
[04:59] <georged4s> I have been trying to config lid close behaviour for AC/Battery separately, but haven't got anywhere yet. I have tried gnome-tweaks but that bundles the setting for AC and Battery togather. Then I tried dconf-editor as well but it doesn't override gnome-tweaks for some reasons. I have posted a screen recording here while switching the toggle for
[04:59] <georged4s> option "Suspend when the lid is closed" https://gofile.io/?c=iRQ4ai.
[04:59] <georged4s> $ less /etc/systemd/logind.conf
[05:00] <DumbLDoor> lotuspsychje: I recovered all my files using photorec, got back tonnes, even temp files in cache..
[05:01] <DumbLDoor> lotuspsychje: not the desktop ones, unfortunately
[05:01] <lotuspsychje> DumbLDoor: ok so try at your own risk
[05:01] <DumbLDoor> lotuspsychje: done already.. ty
[05:02] <StevenJayCohen> If I'd like a custom resolution to EXIST before my session starts on a desktop, where do I put the xrandr info instead of .profile?
[05:03] <StevenJayCohen> Is there a global place in the system so I won't see it flash from the lower resolution to the higher one as it starts up?
[05:04] <Bashing-om> StevenJayCohen: See grub's config file ' /etc/default/grub ' .
[05:04] <StevenJayCohen> Bashing-om: you're kidding I can do that in grub?
[05:06] <StevenJayCohen> Bashing-om: that will work with a custome resolution that I needed to add via xrandr?
[05:07] <StevenJayCohen> Bashing-om: So GRUB_GFXMODE=1366x768 -- That's it?
[05:07] <Bashing-om> StevenJayCohen: Not sure of what you want - but that can set a resolution >> "# The resolution used on graphical terminal" . But the resolution must be one that grub recognizes.
[05:08] <Bashing-om> StevenJayCohen: Ad the file says - check in grub that the resolution is supported.
[05:09] <Bashing-om> StevenJayCohen: As the file says*
[05:10] <StevenJayCohen> Bashing-om: Details -- I had to use xrandr to get the monitor to display 1366x768. I added that to .profile so it happens during login. When I start up, some desktop icons are shifted around, and I am pretty certain it is because they are placed on the desktop BEFORE the 1366x768 is applied and their previous positions do not exist yet. Since I group icons on my desktop by project, this is a workflow issue, not simply
[05:10] <StevenJayCohen> an aesthetic one. So, I am attempting to get the monitor to the higher resolution earlier in the boot process to see if that fixes the issue.
[05:13] <Bashing-om> StevenJayCohen: ^^ that passes a resolution to the kerenal as it boots up.
[05:14] <StevenJayCohen> Bashing-om: I looked everywhere and couldn't find that. Thank you!
[05:16] <Bashing-om> StevenJayCohen: But again - check in grub with the provided command to see that the desired resolution is supported.
[05:16] <Bashing-om> StevenJayCohen: Got to go . hope this is what you seek.
[05:25] <bray90820> Can someone help me install my printer in ubuntu 20.04 it's an HP envy 4500 and all it shows up as is "CUPS-BRF-Printer"
[05:38] <Synx_hm> Jordan_U, not sure if you are around but i figured out i forgot to change my zfs mountpoint to legacy so fstab could mount the boot pool, that was the source of all my issues
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> bray90820: install hplip and hplip-gui and connect your printer with usb, then add it
[05:43] <bray90820> lotuspsychje: as far as I know hplip isn't available for 20.04
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> bray90820: it is
[05:46] <Jordan_U> Synx_hm: Makes sense. Thanks for the update.
[05:46] <Synx_hm> Jordan_U, :) thanks again for the help!
[05:46] <bray90820> lotuspsychje: How would I install it because everything I am seeing says it's not supported
[05:46] <Jordan_U> Synx_hm: You're welcome :)
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> bray90820: apt-cache search hplip
[05:48] <bray90820> sudo apt-get install hplip right?
[05:49] <lotuspsychje> bray90820: sudo apt install hplip hplip-gui
[05:50] <bray90820> How would I run it then
[05:50] <bray90820> Sorry to be so noobish
[05:51] <bray90820> lotuspsychje:
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> bray90820: after install connect your printer and add it (if needed)
[05:55] <bray90820> Yeah :/ it is till showing up as CUPS-BRF-Printer
[05:55] <bray90820> Not HP 4500
[05:56] <bray90820> lotuspsychje:
[05:58] <oerheks> install with usb cable, not wireless perhaps?
[06:01] <bray90820> That's what I am doing
[06:01] <Iarla> Is it possible to back up an entire user from a 16.04 install and restore it on a frest 20.04 installation?
[06:03] <Jordan_U> Iarla: Yes. You can also re-install preserving /home/, even if your /home/ isn't on a different partition.
[06:04] <Iarla> Jordan_U: so just tar up /home?
[06:06] <Iarla> I'm also curious how the user themselves gets backup. Like, the home dir might be there but on the new system how do they log in.
[06:24] <ducasse> Iarla: if you want to move userids and passwords as well, you'll need to copy the passwd, shadow and group files
[06:24] <ducasse> (in /etc)
[08:59] <nikolam> I just can't believe vlc in Ubuntu still fails to exit and needs to be killed with -9 ..
[09:00] <ikonia> not noticed that
[09:00] <tatertots> mine exits fine
[09:00] <tatertots> so it's just yours/you
[09:01] <CrazySam> Does this channel cover WSL Ubuntu?
[09:02] <nikolam> I am playing local MP4 files
[09:02] <nikolam> I open file, close it try, to open it again and it won't start, but vls process is still there
[09:03] <nikolam> let me try some more thigs and get back
[09:03] <CrazySam> I can't sudo apt update for some reason.
[09:03] <CrazySam> https://dpaste.org/tq0f/raw
[09:04] <nikolam> CrazySam, maybe your disk is full?
[09:05] <CrazySam> Physical disk has 72 GB free space.
[09:05] <nikolam> can't write to /tmp..
[09:05] <CrazySam> Yeah, I don't have that.
[09:06] <CrazySam> https://superuser.com/questions/1496529/sudo-apt-get-update-couldnt-create-temporary-file
[09:06] <Xard> luckily not having problems closing and reopening vlc on 20.04
[09:07] <CrazySam> This seems related. But I don't have /tmp. However I do have /var/tmp and ls -lad /tmp returns drwxrwxrwt so that checks out OK?
[09:07] <nikolam> Xard, what's your graphics card, btw?
[09:07] <Xard> however in 18.04 opening ogg file broken tags resulting whole gnome shell freezing
[09:07] <tomreyn> !WSL | CrazySam
[09:07] <Xard> in VLC*
[09:08] <tomreyn> CrazySam: non WSL specific questions are fine here, too.
[09:08] <Xard> which had to be resolved by killing the process externally or from local TTY
[09:08] <nikolam> Xard, yikes
[09:08] <tomreyn> CrazySam: but do point out you're using WSL when you ask here.
[09:08] <CrazySam> OK tomreyn
[09:08] <Xard> I haven't tried yet with 20.04
[09:09] <Xard> nikolam: GTX 2070 using Nvidia drivers
[09:09] <CrazySam> Normally, every Ubuntu installation has a /tmp correct?
[09:09] <nikolam> CrazySam, You can partition your drive and get real FS and dual-boot.
[09:11] <tomreyn> CrazySam: I'd expect every standard Ubuntu installation to have a /tmp *directory* (not necessarily a /tmp mount point).
[09:13] <CrazySam> nikolam: true that. But it has worked fine for years now, for my limited needs. I just wanted to see if this could be an easy fix and someone knew the answer here, before spending too much time on this.
[09:14] <atralheaven> Hi, I want to create a backup archive from my home dir, but I want to keep file permissions as they were, how can I do this? I don't have a separate home partition
[09:14] <nikolam> NTFS is treacherous it does not have check summing blocks on disk like Btrfs and ZFS, it' wouldn't warn you if your saved data and read data are garbled and does not match.
[09:15] <CrazySam> tomreyn: I *may* have destroyed something recently when a read/write operation to physical disk went haywire. I was copying some files from a VM to host, and all of a sudden my Local AppData started copying (where WSL lives).
[09:15] <CrazySam> tomreyn: I do have /var/tmp if that's a valid equivalent.
[09:16] <tomreyn> CrazySam: it's similar, but not the same obviously. i don't know how /tmp is setup on WSL usually, that'd be a question fo the other channel.
[09:16] <CrazySam> nikolam: that sounds about right... remind me of the incident yesterday.
[09:16] <atralheaven> if I try to make an archive as user, I get errors because I don't have permission to access some files, if I do that as root, then root will become owner of all files on that archive
[09:18] <tomreyn> atralheaven: use tar, and run it as a user that can read all files you'll backup.
[09:19] <atralheaven> doesn't that change the owner of files?
[09:19] <tomreyn> tar preserves permissions and file owbership by default. several other commands have a --preserve option (which is often enabled automatically when operating as root, but not when operating as restricted users)
[09:20] <tomreyn> !backup
[09:20] <atralheaven> I tried with .tar.xz using gui tools before, haven't tried with .tar alone
[09:21] <nikolam> CrazySam, and without ECC RAM, even best FS won't save data from garbling in RAM.
[09:21] <tomreyn> atralheaven: it doesn't matter whether it's compressed or not, what may matter is which utility you use, but more likely what matters is whether you run as root or not.
[09:22] <tomreyn> this said, don't run GUI utilities as root (there can be some exceptions to this rule)
[09:22] <atralheaven> well, that was what I did
[09:23] <tomreyn> so try      sudo tar czf /path/to/where/you/want/backup.tar.gz /path/to/be/backed/up/
[09:23] <atralheaven> it's time to learn a tar command!
[09:24] <atralheaven> thank you :)
[09:24] <tomreyn> then    tar tzvf /path/to/where/you/want/backup.tar.gz
[09:24] <tomreyn> (pipe output into less if it's many files)
[09:31] <CrazySam> nikolam: and if you're anything like me and don't know what you're doing, even the best ECC RAM won't save you ;)
[09:31] <CrazySam> jk, but there are limits to everything, ofc
[09:32] <CrazySam> I am installing WSL on a VM now. Just to be sure I know what I don't know now. :)
[09:32] <CrazySam> VM tech is a godsend for experimentation and education.
[09:38] <Iarla> I've installed Ubuntu 20.04 on an older system but preserved user accounts in /home/*. How do I recreated the users so they can login at the greeter?
[09:42] <rebecca> anyone else experienced click/drag GUI weirdness in KDE from a recent update?
[09:43] <CrazySam> It turns out WSL does have a /tmp which I don't have. So there's that.
[09:45] <CrazySam> How do you tell what something is on a FS?
[09:46] <CrazySam> Is there any ls option I can use to have it print if something is a file or directory or something else?
[09:47] <CrazySam> I want to know what exactly "tmp" is. It's colored green and black, green being the background.
[09:48] <CrazySam> It's annoying to have to go by colors to understand meaning, and some people are color blind.
[09:48] <guardian> hello, when nusign focal where should I get CUDA from?
[09:48] <ikonia> disable colours then
[09:48] <ikonia> dircolors is option
[09:48] <guardian> for now it seems NVIDIA binaries repository doesn't have 20.04 but once it's available should I take it from therer?
[09:54] <nikolam> CrazySam, You are better installing Ubuntu on hard drive partition and run MS Windows in a VM. That way at least disk errors will be catched.
[09:55] <nikolam> At least if you choose Btrfs for a partition during install or give it a try to whole-disk ZFS install.
[09:57] <blb4393> avoid using btrfs. It'll slow your system significantly
[09:57] <lnostdal> Yo! guys? .. i just installed pop os 20.04 .. recommended; they actually have a chromium deb
[09:58] <lnostdal> no more 10000 apparmour errors per second from the snap package
[10:00] <nikolam> blb4393, that's not true I think?
[10:01] <nikolam> I would say avoid ext4, because it does not do disk checksums and doesn't have snapshots.
[10:02] <mindbender1> I have a persistent problem with Chrome and VSCode and it's variants loosing scaling on 19.10 especially when coming out of suspend and I suspect even more when the lid is closed and reopened
[10:02] <blb4393> nikolam: you wouldn't need snapshotting if you'd use your system properly
[10:03] <mindbender1> My Laptop is HiDpi
[10:04] <blb4393> btrfs slows down the system significantly and that's the truth
[10:04] <nikolam> blb4393, I would differ on that. There are mupltiple times I recovered OS from snapshot, created automatically with apt-btrfs-snapshot.
[10:05] <blb4393> nikolam: why did you recover in the first place?
[10:05] <nikolam> blb4393, it is just not thuth, there are test on Phoronix prooving you are wrong. Also depends on usage case of course. But I won't get back to stone age before Btrfs/ZFS. Systems without snapshots and disk checksums are part of legacy.
[10:05] <blb4393> whatever
[10:05] <nikolam> blb4393, I leave that to discover yourself :P
[10:07] <mindbender1> Is there a good web app for pasting images so I can paste screenshots?
[10:07] <blb4393> if your hdd is damaged than no btrfs/zfs can save you. Apart from that don't install shit onto your system and it won't be broken
[10:07] <nikolam> When I ned to do a full system backup, I can't be bothered with some rsync or tar, tehre are btrfs send and zfs send for that.
[10:08] <tomreyn> !screenshot | mindbender1
[10:08] <nikolam> blb4393, you are again wrong. If you have 2 drives in software raid1, then both Btrfs and ZFS will get you right data, off the drive that is OK. That is what checksuming is all about, fixing it on-the fly.
[10:09] <nikolam> Hardware Raid is history and mostly depends on on-hardware black boxes in firmware
[10:09] <blb4393> right, now you'r telling me that to use btrfs i need raid shit. ok
[10:10] <nikolam> blb4393, No I am saying, to start reading Phoronix tests of speed for use case and wake up from the tech on 2004.
[10:10] <tomreyn> nikolam, blb4393: this seems like a discussion (and it's becoming heated), mind moving to #ubuntu-discuss ?
[10:10] <blb4393> nikolam: i don't need to reed no shit to tell you that  btrfs slows your system significantly
[10:11] <tomreyn> !language | blb4393
[10:11] <nikolam> blb4393, read.. And please move to #ubuntu-discuss as prescribed
[10:12] <blb4393> nikolam: you don't tell me what to do
[10:13] <nikolam> ok, my bad. sorry. :)
[10:19] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[10:20] <mindbender1> tomreyn: thanks
[10:20] <tomreyn> you're welcome.
[10:21] <Jonkarra> Hi All weird one here... Zenmap has disappeared from my machine, cant launch it, cant find it via CLI, checked package list via apt and cant see and when I try and install it apt is telling me there is no install candidate ?
[10:23] <tomreyn> Jonkarra: which ubuntu version are you running? did you recently do a release upgrade?
[10:24] <tomreyn> is the universe repository enabled?
[10:26] <Jonkarra> Yeah I recently upgraded to 20.04. It was there after upgrade and was there and working a few days ago
[10:28] <Jonkarra> Just double checked and as I thought universe repository is already enabled
[10:28] <tomreyn> Jonkarra: there's no zenmap in 20.04 LTS.
[10:29] <tomreyn> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=zenmap
[10:31] <tomreyn> for packages in universe, when packages aren't in newer ubuntu releases, that's often a result of them being removed off debian. and indeed zenmap is not in debian "testing" or "unstable" either (but in older debian releases): https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=zenmap
[10:32] <Jonkarra> Weird I'm pretty sure I scanned my Nas with it the other day after I'd upgraded. Oh well looks like I'm stuck with using nmap from the CLI for the time being ;)
[10:33] <tomreyn> most likely the better option anyways
[10:33] <tomreyn> zenmap was gtk2 and python2 based, both of which are being phased out.
[10:34] <Jonkarra> Ahh that makes sense.
[10:44] <CrazySam> I failed to create a home dir for a new user. How do I create one now? Create the dir manually? Then change permission or something?
[10:46] <bencc1> coturn package has a new release with security fixes
[10:46] <bencc1> https://github.com/coturn/coturn/releases/tag/4.5.1.2
[10:46] <bencc1> will ubuntu update the package?
[10:46] <bencc1> https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/coturn
[10:53] <tomreyn> CrazySam: adduser (which creates new users) would normally add the directory automatically. you get the same effect when adding a new user on the GUI. you're saying a home directory was not created when you addded a new user. this brings up a question: how did you create the new user?
[10:54] <dibblego> hello, I have a laptop without support for legacy boot — is there an image I can download to use to boot?
[10:54] <tomreyn> CrazySam: other than that, yes, you could create the home directory manually and manually set its ownerships and permissions.
[10:54] <tomreyn> !latest| bencc1
[10:55] <tomreyn> bencc1: security patches are usually backported to the software versions in ubuntu, see https://usn.ubuntu.com and https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/
[10:56] <tomreyn> dibblego: any current ubuntu release for amd64 should support uefi booting.
[10:57] <tomreyn> actually any support ubuntu release should, not just the current ones
[10:57] <tomreyn> *supportED
[10:57] <dibblego> tomreyn: hm ok thanks — it's not detected on the laptop — I'll work on it cheers
[10:58] <tomreyn> dibblego: you may want to temporarily disable secure boot (not strictly needed, but may facilitate installation with bad or not easy to configure uefi firmware)
[10:58] <dibblego> definitely disabled — about to try with it enabled
[11:00] <dibblego> no go, I'm at a loss
[11:00] <tomreyn> dibblego: if you'll have more questions ont his later, make sure you also discuss how you created the installer media, how you checked the installer data was properly downloaded and written to it
[11:01] <tomreyn> as well as what's the error you're actually facing
[11:01] <tomreyn> and which ubuntu release you're trying to install on which exact hardware
[11:01] <dibblego> Downloaded the Ubuntu 20.04 and dd to a USB. I can try it on another laptop where it should work, but this one has issues that I cannot narrow down (Dell Precision 5540)
[11:02] <dibblego> Ok I'll document it all, cheers
[11:04] <blb4393> tomreyn: except for net install images
[11:05] <tomreyn> blb4393: what do you mean by "net install images"?
[11:05] <blb4393> there are ubuntu net install images mini iso's
[11:05] <tomreyn> right
[11:05] <blb4393> they aren't supporting uefi
[11:06] <blb4393> unfortunately
[11:15] <genhaoqi> hello! if I want to move the EFI partition, how to keep the guidance record?
[11:17] <CrazySam> tomreyn: useradd, and it does not create home dir unless you use -m
[11:18] <CrazySam> lesson learned, but too late
[11:19] <tomreyn> CrazySam: then (if it does not create a home directory by default) is there a --no-create-home option to it?
[11:20] <tomreyn> genhaoqi: by "guidance record", do you mean the reference to the boot codes on it, as stored in NVRAM on the mainboard?
[11:22] <genhaoqi> tomreyn: grub boot record
[11:22] <tomreyn> you'd update-grub
[11:23] <tomreyn> if you want to update other efi boot loader references you could try to do that using efibootmgr
[11:23] <genhaoqi> using the live CD?
[11:23] <tomreyn> grub-install to ensure the grub boot loader is installed on what your running system thinks is the proper efi system partition
[11:24] <genhaoqi> got ,thanks
[11:25] <tomreyn> if you're trying to update the configuration of an installed system but have now booted from a live cd then you'd need to chroot to the installed system and run update-grub there.
[11:25] <tomreyn> alternatively you could try just editing grub.cfg of the persistent installation. but chances are you'll also need to run update-initramfs from within the chroot
[11:26] <dibblego> heh looks like the USB was corrupted — just did another dd and it booted, sorry for the hassle
[11:26] <genhaoqi> tomreyn: thank you so much!
[11:26] <tomreyn> genhaoqi: yw
[11:27] <tomreyn> you're welcome.
[11:27] <FreeBDSM> help, please, I can't seem to add ppa repos: I always get `Cannot add PPA: 'ppa:~rmescandon/ubuntu/yq'. ERROR: '~rmescandon' user or team does not exist.` yet here it is: https://launchpad.net/~rmescandon
[11:27] <FreeBDSM> same with ansible
[11:27] <FreeBDSM> and probably any other ppa
[11:28] <FreeBDSM> Ubuntu 18.04
[11:28] <tomreyn> FreeBDSM: drop the ~
[11:29] <tomreyn> FreeBDSM: actually that's not enough. just do what it says on the PPA page
[11:29] <tomreyn> https://launchpad.net/~rmescandon/+archive/ubuntu/yq -> "Adding this PPA to your system"
[11:30] <tomreyn> you seem to have run     sudo add-apt-repository ppa:~rmescandon/ubuntu/yq
[11:30] <FreeBDSM> tomreyn: I type the command without ~
[11:30] <FreeBDSM> no
[11:30] <tomreyn> so what do you run?
[11:31] <FreeBDSM> `sudo add-apt-repository ppa:rmescandon/yq` or `sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ansible/ansible`
[11:31] <tomreyn> hmm okay this looks right to me
[11:33] <tomreyn> ppa:rmescandon/yq seems to only have i386 builds for bionic
[11:33] <tomreyn> https://launchpad.net/~rmescandon/+archive/ubuntu/yq/+packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=bionic
[11:35] <FreeBDSM> tomreyn: but there's a file named yq_3.3-0_amd64.deb under that bionic build that's supposed to be 'i386'
[11:36] <FreeBDSM> i386: https://launchpad.net/~rmescandon/+archive/ubuntu/yq/+files/yq_3.3-0_i386.deb amd64: https://launchpad.net/~rmescandon/+archive/ubuntu/yq/+files/yq_3.3-0_amd64.deb
[11:36] <CrazySam> tomreyn: yes
[11:36] <tomreyn> right, but there's no published amd64 build
[11:36] <tomreyn> i mean it's probably not on the release file
[11:38] <FreeBDSM> tomreyn: okay, take ansible, it has bionic amd64 build
[11:41] <CrazySam> tomreyn: what was your point re --no-create-home option ?
[11:41] <CrazySam> useradd and adduser both have that... i think
[11:43] <CrazySam> yes, they do, i checked now
[11:43] <CrazySam> what it does: do not create the user's home directory
[11:44] <tomreyn> FreeBDSM: i don't know about ansible, this looks like it should work, maybe i missed something.
[11:44] <CrazySam> I don't know about adduser but useradd doesn't need you to set that option for it to not create user's home dir.
[11:44] <tomreyn> CrazySam: my point was that adduser does create a home directory by default.
[11:45] <tomreyn> and adduser is the utility you should use
[11:45] <CrazySam> OK, will give it a try.
[11:45] <FreeBDSM> there should be just 1 utility for that
[11:50] <CrazySam> adduser is definitely easier
[11:50] <CrazySam> it also unlocks the new user, i.e. tells you to set its password
[11:51] <CrazySam> and links it to the home dir, unlike useradd which with "sudo useradd -m michael" just creates /home/michael
[11:51] <CrazySam> when i "su michael" i am brought to "$"
[11:52] <CrazySam> i created "michael" with useradd, and i created "bonnie" with adduser
[11:54] <supernovah> hey I have two terminals open, one local, one a server, I want to add my rsa key signature to my server's known_hosts file, what exactly do I paste into known_hosts from my id_rsa.pub?
[11:55] <supernovah> sorryI mean authorised_keys
[11:57] <FreeBDSM> looks like I figured out why adding ppa failed
[11:57] <FreeBDSM> turns out it has to do with proxy and lowercase vs uppercase envs
[12:05] <tomreyn> supernovah: known_hosts takes fingerprints and some more info whereas authoriZed_keys (z, not s, but lower case) takes public keys.
[12:13] <parclytaxel> Hi
[12:13] <parclytaxel> Is anyone here?
[12:15] <parclytaxel> When I do upgrade-manager -c -d on my Ubuntu 19.10 system the release notes say it's a development release
[12:15] <parclytaxel> Should I go ahead anyway or wait three months?
[12:16] <parclytaxel> (i.e. wait for 20.04.1)?
[12:16] <supernovah> yea lots of people are here
[12:18] <parclytaxel> I read the Ask Ubuntu post saying "you need to use -d for upgrading this time", but should I still go ahead if it says it's a devel release?
[12:20] <parclytaxel> supernovah: yes, lots of people are here, but for the most part my chat window is filled with connects and disconnects
[12:20] <fenris> thats easy to hide
[12:20] <parclytaxel> HexChat? how do do that on there
[12:21] <parclytaxel> (checking myself...)
[12:21] <parclytaxel> (but I seem to like the connects and disconnects anyway)
[12:22] <fenris> preferences/chatting/general (hide join and part) (hide quit)
[12:22] <fenris> or hide nick change not hide quit
[12:22] <parclytaxel> k
[12:22] <parclytaxel> ok then, now back to my question
[12:23] <fenris> i guess, ok
[12:23] <parclytaxel> doing update-manager -c -d brings up release notes saying "this is a devel release", should I still go ahead anyway on 19.10?
[12:23] <parclytaxel> If I had been using 18.04 at this point I would have waited until 20.04.1, but I'm using 19.10 so...
[12:24] <parclytaxel> (and yes, I have to use the command with -d, otherwise it won't tell me about the new version)
[12:25] <parclytaxel> Is it even stable?
[12:26] <cyveris> It is stable, but upgrade-manager won't present 20.04 as an option until 20.04.1 is released.
[12:26] <cyveris> And don't do -d. That doesn't do what you think it will.
[12:27] <parclytaxel> Then what do I do?
[12:27] <cyveris> Wait.
[12:28] <Shillos> 20.04.1 will that be released in june / july?
[12:29] <parclytaxel> Shillos: 23 July according to the release schedule
[12:30] <Shillos> i hope also for server edition too... thx!
[12:31] <parclytaxel> cyveris: "that doesn't do what you think it will" can you explain a bit more?
[12:32] <parclytaxel> are there any things I missed out?
[12:32] <cyveris> parclytaxel: -d will, to the best of my knowledge, pick the next named release - whatever g is - rather than any stable option.
[12:33] <parclytaxel> Aha, why doesn't it pick out the final release that came out on 23 April then?
[12:33] <cyveris> Because that's not a development release.
[12:33] <cyveris> It's trying to do EXACTLY what you're telling it to do. -d means development. Stable is not development.
[12:34] <lotuspsychje> !ltsupgrade | ^
[12:34] <parclytaxel> But are the differences between the latest development version and the released version "minor" in any way?
[12:35] <cyveris> parclytaxel: No, they're fairly major.
[12:35] <parclytaxel> OK
[12:35] <cyveris> If you care about having a functional, stable system, don't install development releases.
[12:36] <parclytaxel> Hey, the information message from ubottu doesn't mention 19.10 even though it's implied
[12:36] <parclytaxel> I'm just using Ubuntu desktop, not server. Hey, I can wait
[12:36] <lotuspsychje> parclytaxel: upgrade from 19.10 is not an lts upgrade
[12:37] <Shillos> that helps for me i can wait for server edition
[12:37] <lotuspsychje> parclytaxel: its jumping to the next release
[12:37] <parclytaxel> huh? isn't 20.04 LTS already?
[12:37] <supernovah> so I have an rsa key pair I want to use for logging into a remote server - I have my ~/.ssh/config looking like Host <ip>:<port>\nIdentityFile ~/.ssh/id_rsa
[12:37] <lotuspsychje> parclytaxel: yes, but an lts upgrade means from one lts to the next lts
[12:38] <parclytaxel> 19.10 is not an LTS
[12:38] <lotuspsychje> yes?
[12:38] <supernovah> but it doesn't attempt to log into the server with it, plus I don't know what to do on the remote to allow logging in with it, I've been googling for about half an hour and can't find answers
[12:38] <ioria> parclytaxel, do you want upgrade from 19.10 to 20.04 ?
[12:38] <parclytaxel> That was what I wanted to do, but then I was intimidated by the release notes
[12:39] <parclytaxel> yes, ioria
[12:39] <ioria> parclytaxel, run in terminal 'do-release-upgrade -c'
[12:39] <parclytaxel> I did that. "No new release found."
[12:40] <ioria> parclytaxel, run in terminal 'do-release-upgrade -c -d'
[12:40] <parclytaxel> I said I could wait until 20.04.1
[12:40] <ioria> ok
[12:40] <parclytaxel> :D now this is quite a confusion
[12:41] <parclytaxel> IRC is a joy to rediscover. After years of talking almost exclusively on Discord and other "heavier" chat clients
[12:41] <supernovah> lol I thought people used ssh with keys, unexpected nobody knows
[12:42] <cyveris> supernovah: What is your question?
[12:42] <supernovah> cyveris: I wrote it at 00:37
[12:42] <lotuspsychje> parclytaxel: keep in mind you will need to upgrade to the next release 'before' 19.10 is end of life
[12:42] <cyveris> supernovah: Pretend I wasn't here.
[12:43] <supernovah> cyveris: ok well I have a priv/pub key pair in ~/.ssh/ and I can't get config to try to submit them when I log into a remote server, I also run that remote server and haven't tried to accept keys for the account (which has no password login allowed)
[12:44] <parclytaxel> lotuspsychje: yes, I will upgrade from 19.10 by 20.04.1. My original question was whether I should upgrade to the non-point release now or wait
[12:44] <cyveris> Any key named id_rsa, id_ecdsa, id_ed25519, et al., will be used automatically without it having to be specified as an IdentityFile parameter.
[12:44] <supernovah> cyveris: my config file has Host <ipv4>:<port>\nIdentityFile ~/.ssh/priv_key_name
[12:44] <cyveris> You don't need that.
[12:44] <parclytaxel> I've been swayed by cyveris to wait, but your opinion?
[12:44] <cyveris> supernovah: And have you copied the contents of the relevant .pub file into ~/.ssh/authorized_keys?
[12:44] <supernovah> cyveris: no this is the mysterious step that I can't find an explanation for
[12:45] <ioria> supernovah, section 2 : https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/how-to-set-up-ssh-keys-on-linux-unix/
[12:45] <lotuspsychje> parclytaxel: waiting for 20.04.1 is needed for the users that come from 18.04, for more bugs to be solved
[12:45] <supernovah> the .pub file contains my computer's name in it, but I made the key about 3 computers ago
[12:45] <cyveris> supernovah: So?
[12:45] <cyveris> supernovah: It's still cryptographically the correct key.
[12:45] <lotuspsychje> parclytaxel: i reccomend jumping from 19.10 to 20.04 before 19.10 will go eol in july
[12:45] <cyveris> And the last section is only a comment, it's not parsed.
[12:45] <parclytaxel> So don't wait, you say, lotuspsychje?
[12:46] <supernovah> cyveris: this one says to upload the public key to the server, not the private key
[12:46] <cyveris> supernovah: Correct. I just said that.
[12:46] <cyveris> supernovah: And have you copied the contents of the relevant .pub file into ~/.ssh/authorized_keys?
[12:46] <supernovah> cyveris: but isn't id_rsa conventoinally the private key, and id_rsa.pub the public one?
[12:46] <parclytaxel> You're saying I shouldn't brook any delay?
[12:46] <lotuspsychje> parclytaxel: correct, i would go for ioria 's advice
[12:46] <supernovah> cyveris: not yet, just making sure I do the right thing
[12:46] <parclytaxel> alright then, thanks lotuspsychje. Here we go
[12:47] <cyveris> The contents of the .pub file that matches the private key goes into ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on the remote host.
[12:47] <supernovah> done, except I remove my computer name and just renamed it to its purpose in a-z chars
[12:48] <cyveris> Should now work.
[12:49] <supernovah> cyveris: maybe this is the problem: debug1: /etc/ssh/ssh_config line 19: Applying options for *
[12:50] <supernovah> I made my config in ~/.ssh/config
[12:50] <cyveris> Is there any other configuration in your ~/.ssh/config, or was it all for this specific problem?
[12:50] <supernovah> its two lines
[12:50] <supernovah> Host <ipv4>:<port>\nIdentityFile ~/.ssh/key_name
[12:51] <supernovah> I adde the port because the ip didn't work alone, could revert back
[12:51] <cyveris> Remove that file, then.
[12:51] <supernovah> nope it just immediately asks for a password to be typed
[12:53] <supernovah> log says it offers id_rsa, but it's not called id_rsa
[12:53] <cyveris> And it's called?
[12:53] <supernovah> the correct key has a different name
[12:53] <supernovah> id_rsa_git
[12:53] <cyveris> So rename it.
[12:53] <supernovah> to id_rsa?
[12:53] <cyveris> Unless you already have an id_rsa, yes.
[12:53] <supernovah> yeds I have id_rsa, for signing things
[12:53] <cyveris> You don't sign things with an SSH key.
[12:54] <cyveris> (Let's not dig into the mechanics of SSH, please.)
[12:54] <supernovah> well it works with another website in another piece of software, I know that much
[12:54] <FreeBDSM> I have a separate window of terminal with tmux. TERM=screen-256color, scrolling works fine there (lines get scrolled INSIDE tmux pane). And I have a window of VSCode with terminal with tmux. TERM=screen-256color, but scrolling is broken: instead of scrolling inside tmux pane - it scrolls as if tmux interface are just regular lines in the screen log. How to fix it?
[12:54] <cyveris> You don't sign things with an SSH key.
[12:54] <supernovah> it's an RSA key, not an 'ssh' key
[12:54] <cyveris> Move that somewhere else. Name your actual SSH key to id_rsa.
[12:54] <supernovah> but that means I can only have one key and it gets sent to every single server I connect to...
[12:54] <cyveris> supernovah: I am fully aware.
[12:54] <supernovah> that seems insane
[12:54] <gsr> Hi all.  I am on 19.10, and in Software and Updates I have "Notify me of a new Ubuntu version" set to For any new version.  However, when I run do-release-upgrade, I'm getting told that there isn't a new version of ubuntu available.  Is there another setting I have to change?
[12:55] <cyveris> supernovah: It's not. That's precisely how asymmetric crypto is designed to function.
[12:55] <cyveris> That's why the public key is called "public."
[12:55] <lotuspsychje> gsr: system upto date?
[12:56] <supernovah> oh I ran ssd-add on the key, and it worked this time (also renamed it and moved the new key into its place)
[12:56] <gsr> lotuspsychje: yessir, just ran apt update and apt upgrade, and rebooted because a new kernel came through
[12:56] <lotuspsychje> gsr: do-release-upgrade -c -d
[12:56] <cyveris> supernovah: Enjoy./
[12:56] <supernovah> cyveris: but now I had a key that works for one server, which gets sent to everybody, and which takes the place of my old key which works for another server
[12:56] <supernovah> so every time I want to use each piece of software, I have to switch out the files on disc?
[12:57] <cyveris> supernovah: Or you could send that same public key to the other server.
[12:57] <gsr> lotuspsychje, I was going to do that ,but will it be the stable version, or a development version?
[12:57] <cyveris> My ssh pubkey is probably sitting on several dozens of systems at the moment.
[12:57] <lotuspsychje> gsr: the only way is up, to the next version
[12:58] <gsr> lotuspsychje, thanks
[12:58] <supernovah> cyveris: does this mean my ~/.ssh/config is not working by the way? can I get it to submit it for one account only, e.g., I ssh user@ip -P port?
[12:59] <cyveris> Should be able to, yes.
[13:01] <supernovah> so when the config points to a private key, does the agent create the public key from it and submit it?
[13:01] <supernovah> because id_rsa is privte and id_rsa.pub is the public one
[13:03] <cyveris> The key itself never gets submitted.
[13:04] <cyveris> It's a challenge response process.
[13:04] <cyveris> https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/understanding-the-ssh-encryption-and-connection-process
[13:07] <supernovah> my understanding was that my end signs something with the private RSA key, sends the mssage and the public key, which is used to verify the message and using the keys we exchange details about securing the connection (TLS etc)
[13:08] <cyveris> That article actually has a great explanation.
[13:08] <supernovah> yeah but its digital ocean and their workers used to piss me off when I worked in their building
[13:08] <supernovah> I hate reading their stuff lol
[13:08] <cyveris> I don't really care. That article has a great explanation.
[13:08] <cyveris> Read it or don't, but your understanding of the SSH key auth process is inaccurate.
[13:09] <cyveris> Tip: If someone goes through the effort of finding documentation that you could have found on your own, don't complain about the source. ;)
[13:10] <supernovah> digital ocean aren't the documentors though, they're just a help company aren't they
[13:10] <cyveris> They're a hosting company.
[13:10] <cyveris> And, again, from someone who understands to a very deep degree the mechanics of SSH, that article has a great explanation.
[13:10] <blb4393> > waiting for 20.04.1 is needed for the users that come from 18.04, for more bugs to be solved. <-- if nobody upgrades now to 20.04 then how do you expect people to find bugs until 20.04.1 is released, huh?
[13:11] <cyveris> Your feelings on DO aren't material to this discussion.
[13:11] <supernovah> But you told me that ssh never submits a public key
[13:11] <cyveris> blb4393: People doing new installs of 20.04.
[13:11] <cyveris> supernovah: Correct. It doesn't.
[13:11] <supernovah> and never sends a private key
[13:11] <cyveris> Correct.
[13:11] <supernovah> so I can delete them
[13:11] <cyveris> If you don't want to authenticate, go for it.
[13:11] <cyveris> supernovah: I suggest you get to reading.
[13:12] <supernovah> both parties produce temporary key pairs and exchange the public key
[13:13] <blb4393> how people who install 20.04 could find bugs related to upgrade, huh?
[13:13] <cyveris> supernovah: No.
[13:14] <supernovah> cyveris: wait what you're telling me is that, once it's in the authorised_keys file, it doesn't get transferred right
[13:14] <cyveris> Correct.
[13:14] <supernovah> but at first negotiation, the remote has to accept it
[13:14] <cyveris> No.
[13:14] <supernovah> or I have to paste it there somehow
[13:14] <cyveris> You have to paste it there.
[13:14] <supernovah> but ssh has the capacity to submit it
[13:14] <supernovah> isn't that what the whole "accept this rsa key" is all about when you first connect
[13:14] <cyveris> No.
[13:15] <lotuspsychje> blb4393: there are a lot of users helping 20.04 pre testing bugs out right now and a very active #ubuntu-quality team with the developers
[13:15] <cyveris> All ssh-add does is automate the 'paste into this file' operation.
[13:16] <supernovah> so you have to give your public key always, externally to ssh negotiation
[13:16] <supernovah> is that a fact
[13:17] <cyveris> Once you've added your key to authorized_keys, the remote host already has it. It's never transmitted during an 'ssh user@host'.
[13:17] <supernovah> cyveris: anyway sorry for annoying you, I studied cryptography for a long time but this is an implementation, I thought I knew things but yea, not that type of stuff
[13:19] <cyveris> Client initiates connection to host. Client says "I want to authenticate using a key with ID (fingerprint)." Host checks the relevant authorized_keys file for a pubkey matching that fingerprint. If found, it generates a nonce (single use random value), and encrypts the nonce with the public key. That encrypted nonce is sent to the client. The client decrypts the nonce with the private key, combines
[13:19] <cyveris> it with the shared session key, hashes that combined value, and sends it back.
[13:19] <cyveris> The server knows what the hash of this response should be, and if it matches, the client has proven that it possesses the private key required to decrypt the nonce, and the client is authenticated.
[13:21] <supernovah> cyveris: I guess it should be obvious you don't submit the public key
[13:21] <supernovah> it would make it pointless
[13:22] <cyveris> This tutorial was brought to you in part by: 7 years of working with the NSA.
[13:22] <supernovah> why is it that if you google for things related to *nix that virtually all first page results are blogs
[13:22] <supernovah> why aren't man pages the first results
[13:22] <tomreyn> !discuss
[13:23] <lotuspsychje> blb4393: if you want to discuss it more, feel free to join #ubuntu-discuss
[13:31] <RoseBus> what should my id_rsa be chmod to?
[13:31] <cyveris> 0600 or 0400.
[13:31] <cyveris> Nothing other than your user should be able to read it.
[13:32] <RoseBus> chmod
[13:32] <RoseBus> whops
[13:32] <RoseBus> what about known_hosts
[13:34] <cyveris> 0644
[13:34] <cyveris> Shouldn't be writable by anyone but you, but it doesn't contain secrets.
[13:34] <RoseBus> okay.. somehow my id_rsa was chmod 777 i have no idea how that happened
[13:35] <RoseBus> i copied it over from a NTFS drive after installing ubuntu alongside windows
[13:36] <tomreyn> that's why, ntfs doesn't know un*x file permissions
[13:36] <RoseBus> ls
[13:36] <RoseBus> oic
[13:36] <supernovah> I have: Host <ip>\n\tUser <user1>\n\tIdentityFile ~/.ssh/<key1>\n\nHost <ip>\n\tUser <user2>\n\tIdentityFile ~/.ssh/<key2>\n
[13:36] <supernovah> And it uses key1, for user 2
[13:37] <tomreyn> i don't think you're supposed to have more than a single User declaration per Host stanza
[13:38] <cyveris> The use of escaped characters obfuscates the fact that there are two host stanzas in there.
[13:38] <supernovah> there are two Host stanzas
[13:38] <tomreyn> oh i missed that, right
[13:38] <supernovah> hey being criticised for something I learned to do <in-this-channel>
[13:38] <cyveris> I'm not criticizing!
[13:39] <cyveris> But it IS a bit odd to read.
[13:39] <tomreyn> !paste
[13:40] <tomreyn> but if this abstraction matches what you really have then i don't understand why it would behave this way either unless <ip> is the same
[13:42] <supernovah> the IP is the same yes
[13:42] <supernovah> two users, same IP
[13:42] <supernovah> according to ssh.com/ssh/config the User predicate doesn't actually exist
[13:42] <RoseBus> hello, now that I have a keypair set up so i can ssh "user@server" how can i set up a way to just ssh "server" and it already knows my username
[13:43] <tomreyn> supernovah: that's not the ssh implementation you're using, i suppose
[13:43] <tomreyn> okay it's actually discussing openssh. but this is not openssh's documentation
[13:44] <supernovah> I think man ssh_config 5 has it
[13:45] <supernovah> And so a solution may be Host <> Match user <> ... etc
[13:45] <StevenJayCohen> RoseBus: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-configure-ssh-key-based-authentication-on-a-linux-server
[13:45] <Iarla> I've installed Ubuntu 20.04 on an older system but preserved user accounts in /home/*. How do I recreated the users so they can login at the greeter?
[13:46] <Iarla> *preserved the user home dirs, no the accounts
[13:47] <tomreyn> supernovah: you probably want something along the lines of https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dPBvC4hXJm/
[13:48] <StevenJayCohen> <Iarla "I've installed Ubuntu 20.04 on a"> Too many users to create them manually and restore into the right places?
[13:48] <tomreyn> "Match User" would also work
[13:49] <tomreyn> Iarla: have you backed up /etc ?
[13:51] <NoiseEee> hi folks, is there a way to send/receive SMS (like Windows 10 "Your Phone") ?   without buying something like pushbullet?  20.04
[13:51] <supernovah> tomreyn: it seems to ignore two Host entries with the same IP address
[13:51] <tomreyn> supernovah: it will ignore one of them
[13:53] <tomreyn> NoiseEee: gnokii, gammu, gsmlib. but it may depend on what type of phone you have there.
[13:54] <lotuspsychje> NoiseEee: alternate you can use a program like telegram from desktop to smartphone over wifi too (not sms)
[13:55] <tomreyn> some mobile network operators also offer web to sms frontends and APIs
[13:55] <RoseBus> hello, i am trying to create a bash script to automate the vpn connect -> ssh connect using cisco anyconnect
[13:55] <RoseBus> i am following https://stackoverflow.com/questions/24209953/connect-cisco-anyconnect-vpn-via-bash
[13:56] <RoseBus> is it a security vulnerability to store my vpn password in a bash script in my ~.profile
[13:56] <StevenJayCohen> <RoseBus "is it a security vulnerability t"> YEP
[13:57] <RoseBus> how can i work around this?
[13:57] <supernovah> I might just go back to 32 character passwords, this is too tricky heh
[13:57] <StevenJayCohen> The link I sent earlier shows how to do key authentication RoseBus
[13:57] <RoseBus> oh wait, i dont need vpn password because i have keypair
[13:57] <RoseBus> lol
[13:57] <StevenJayCohen> https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-configure-ssh-key-based-authentication-on-a-linux-server
[13:58] <RoseBus> StevenJayCohen, yea i already did that lol
[13:58] <RoseBus> but i am not connecting to ssh i'm connecting to vpn
[13:58] <tomreyn> have the vpn client prompt you for a password instead
[13:59] <StevenJayCohen> Or you contact Cisco and ask them to explain how to achieve your goal if you can't achieve it with ssh key authentication.
[13:59] <NoiseEee> thanks tomreyn
[13:59] <RoseBus> they use 2FA as well... this might not be a viable task for me
[13:59] <RoseBus> i might be limited to the gui
[13:59] <tomreyn> switching from password to key authentication doesn't really solve the problem of having to unlock the secret.
[14:00] <tomreyn> (or leaving it there unencrypted)
[14:07] <supernovah> oh wow so it works with IP's if you put Match first, apparently I pasted the wrong public key zzz
[14:20] <Groar> hi
[14:20] <supernovah> yo
[14:20] <Groar> I'm going to upgarde from 18.04 to 20.04. Can someone tell me how to?
[14:22] <lotuspsychje> !ltsupgrade | Groar
[14:22] <Groar> also, should it be done in less than 6 hours? (3.2ghz, hdd, 16gb ram..., 2011's good pc)
[14:22] <Groar> Yeah I'll use command line
[14:22] <Groar> ubottu: thanks
[14:23] <Groar> oh, lotuspsychje, thanks :P
[14:24] <Gokturk-Away> Anyone is familiar with Ubuntu 18.04 about ipv6 configuration enabled.
[14:27] <cyveris> I'm sure someone is. What's up?
[14:29] <Gokturk-Away> I have a VPS server from OVH. I've just set up ipv6 configuration via the Netplan function, from OVH's guide
[14:29] <Gokturk-Away> https://imagebin.ca/v/5L1nr5a8c0da
[14:30] <Gokturk-Away> But not sure how to enabled it
[14:31] <cyveris> netplan generate, netplan apply
[14:31] <Gokturk-Away> I just did: netplan try & netplan apply
[14:32] <Gokturk-Away> When I try to ping6 2001:41d0:801:2000:0:0:0:9fd
[14:32] <Gokturk-Away> it says:
[14:32] <Gokturk-Away> connect: Network is unreachable
[14:32] <ioria> Gokturk-Away, i think you missed the route part
[14:32] <Gokturk-Away> Maybe.. i am not expert on linux
[14:33] <ioria> Gokturk-Away, something lik e: routes:    ; - to:  gatewayipv6 ; scope: link
[14:33] <Groar> do I need to apt-get update and upgrade before using do-release-upgarde -d?
[14:34] <cyveris> Gokturk-Away: I will say that, by experience, OVH's IPv6 implementation is incredibly broken.
[14:34] <cyveris> Groar: 20.04 will not be presented as an available upgrade until 20.04.1 is released.
[14:34] <Gokturk-Away> I've open ticket a fews day ago but still no answer from them
[14:34] <cyveris> Gokturk-Away: Sounds about right.
[14:35] <tomreyn> a "match: [ name: eth0 ]" within and "eth0" ethernet declaration probably doesn't make a lot of sense. also, is the interafec actually called "eth0"?
[14:35] <ioria> Gokturk-Away, https://awesomeprogrammer.com/blog/2020/01/04/configuring-ipv6-on-ovh-vps-using-netplan-ubuntu/
[14:36] <Gokturk-Away> i will try that
[14:41] <Gokturk-Away> netplan:
[14:41] <Gokturk-Away> /etc/netplan/51-cloud-init-ipv6.yaml:6:1: Error in network definition: unknown key 'netplan'
[14:41] <jidar> does anybody know if changing 20.04 over to systemd-boot is supported by the default scripts for installing new kernels? Or is that something you need to write yourself via a kernel post-install
[14:41] <Gokturk-Away> An error occurred: the configuration could not be generated
[14:42] <ioria> Gokturk-Away, remove it
[14:42] <Gokturk-Away> ok
[14:42] <echoSMILE> Hi. My ubuntu GUI software updated, just close without doing nothing, I always need to update via terminal. Can someone know about some known issue ?
[14:44] <shinobi__> So I installed 20.04 onto my system (replaced 18.04) and it blew away my ESP without rebuilding it. I can no longer access any OS installed on that machine. I have no boot manager, just a grub prompt. This hasn't happened before. What did I do wrong?
[14:45] <Gokturk-Away> ioria: Ok, how can i test it now? if it is works?
[14:46] <ioria> Gokturk-Away, it's in the post, no?
[14:49] <ioria> Gokturk-Away, curl -v -6 google.com
[14:53] <tomreyn> echoSMILE: please post the output of  sudo /bin/true && cat &>/tmp/aptlog < <(sudo apt-get -y update 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; sudo apt-get -syV full-upgrade 2>&1;); nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/aptlog && rm /tmp/aptlog
[14:54] <tomreyn> echoSMILE: this gathers information on the state of your apt package management system and posts it to termbin.com, a !paste like service
[14:57] <addc182> what is the current/new version of update-manager-core?
[14:58] <donofrio> humm something broken in the repo's? https://paste.opensuse.org/62211205
[15:00] <parclytaxel> Woo lotuspsychje, I upgraded to 20.04
[15:02] <tomreyn> donofrio: you forgot to run    sudo apt update    beforehand
[15:03] <donofrio> doing that now, I noramlly do that...
[15:03] <donofrio> I do this normally - forgot today - "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade -y && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -y && sudo apt-get autoremove -y && sudo apt-get autoclean -y && sudo sync && sudo sync"
[15:04] <tomreyn> addc182: apt list -a update-manager-core     should tell you so for your ubuntu release.
[15:05] <tomreyn> autoclean usually runs automatically, i think
[15:06] <eelstrebor> do i really need to use unbound in order to do dnssec checks? or can i just use some dns service like cloudfare that can handle the dnssec checks?
[15:06] <tomreyn> donofrio: you'll have many package configurations left then (dpkg -l | grep ^r)
[15:10] <addc182> authenticate 'focal.tar.gz' against 'focal.tar.gz.gpg'  , Authentication failed
[15:10] <addc182> hmm
[15:12] <donofrio> tomreyn, "bingo" that was it - tnx!
[15:12] <tomreyn> yw
[15:12] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[15:14] <Iarla> tomreyn: I think I have a backup of /etc, yes (regarding restoring users from a previous installation)
[15:16] <tomreyn> Iarla: you'd need to review which groups (and GIDs) used to exist, which users you used to have, which primary and secondary groups they had, which password hashes they had set, and which UIDs those had, and re-create all of those you still need.
[15:16] <ioria> addc182, apt install --reinstall ubuntu-keyring
[15:18] <tomreyn> Iarla: you could alternatively do all of the above but not recreate the users you used to have with the same UIDs and GIDs but just have adduser / addgroup assign new UIDs/GIDs and then      chown -R UID:GID /home/some_home_directory_restored_from_backup
[15:19] <CrazySam> In Ubuntu, can one user delete another user's file if all users have rwx access to it but the parent directory has a sticky bit?
[15:20] <CrazySam> Renaming is not allowed, just wondering if same applies to deleting.
[15:20] <StevenJayCohen> <tomreyn "Iarla: you could alternatively d"> I like this idea
[15:21] <Gokturk-Away> ioria: Thanks for your help! It seems to working now. Is there a way to test it with my domain if it is works like irc.mydomain.com?
[15:22] <ioria> Gokturk-Away, ok. what you mean ... ping yourself ?
[15:23] <Gokturk-Away> It works with the server ip but how to supports it with domain name then?
[15:23] <Gokturk-Away> with AAAA records?
[15:23] <addc182> reinstalled ubuntu-keyring, still getting the gpg fail
[15:24] <ioria> addc182, what 's releaseis in use ?
[15:25] <addc182> 18.04
[15:27] <tomreyn> addc182: can you provide the full output of the command you are running?
[15:27] <tomreyn> !paste | addc182
[15:28] <Hamilton> How to fix this? (output of vdpauinfo) https://termbin.com/pr6c
[15:28] <tomreyn> Gokturk-Away: to have a domain name resolve to an IPv6 address, you need to have an AAAA record on the zone file of the authoritative nameserver, yes
[15:28] <ioria> Gokturk-Away, i guess you need the nameservers in your yaml file
[15:30] <addc182> on do-release-upgrade http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BY7bPTkyVN/
[15:30] <tomreyn> Gokturk-Away: this said, make sure you're actually allowed to host IRC servers with your hosting provider and that both you and they are prepared to handle DDoS and other automated attacks.
[15:31] <ioria> addc182, well,  backup your /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ directory
[15:31] <tomreyn> addc182: are you using a proxy server there?
[15:32] <Iarla> thanks tomreyn. The second option sounds familiar, I'll go with that.
[15:33] <addc182> I have a pihole, should all be whitelisted but I get the same when its disabled
[15:34] <tomreyn> addc182: can you post the output of this?     sudo /bin/true && cat &>/tmp/aptlog < <(sudo apt-get -y update 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; sudo apt-get -syV full-upgrade 2>&1;); nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/aptlog && rm /tmp/aptlog
[15:36] <addc182> https://termbin.com/29d6
[15:36] <jfcaron> What are the permissions for the directory / ?
[15:36] <jfcaron> Or how do I list them?
[15:37] <ioria> Gokturk-Away,  just few lines : example  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nt7VCG5vqv/
[15:37] <tomreyn> addc182: hmm do you just have this single apt repository configured then?
[15:38] <addc182> I thought universe was on there... but I guess so
[15:38] <ioria> addc182, what's in your sources.list ?
[15:39] <addc182> just: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic main
[15:39] <addc182> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gnZ2w8hJN5/
[15:40] <cryptopsy> i cant get synergy to work, following this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynergyHowto
[15:40] <ioria> addc182, why is like that ?
[15:40] <cryptopsy> [2020-05-01T07:16:36] WARNING: failed to set process uid to: -1
[15:40] <Deano59> why does ubuntu 18.04/20.04 LTS make me use GPT when installing?
[15:40] <cryptopsy> i am trying to start it from the command line
[15:41] <tomreyn> addc182:     grep -hEv '^([[:blank:]]*#.*|[[:blank:]]*)$' /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*.list} 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:41] <addc182> don't remember editing it... maybe from dragging it up from 16.04
[15:42] <addc182> https://termbin.com/vwe6
[15:42] <tomreyn> addc182: if you really just have     deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic main      then that's not enough
[15:42] <donofrio> cryptopsy, synergy is just a frontend.....just sayin apt-get works grand for my needs.....
[15:42] <ioria> addc182, i suggest to restore the original
[15:42] <cryptopsy> donofrio: what?
[15:42] <cryptopsy> synergy is a kvm client/server
[15:42] <cryptopsy> apt-get is a pkg manager
[15:43] <donofrio> oh diffrent synergy (I used that too...heck I'm on Nick's facebook page...syngery is goot program
[15:43] <tomreyn> addc182: is this a graphical desktop?
[15:43] <donofrio> yah my bad
[15:43] <donofrio> crossed the streams lol
[15:43] <addc182> tomreyn no
[15:44] <tomreyn> addc182: so is it an ubuntu server installation, initially at ubuntu 16.04, then upgraded to 18.04? you could tell us on your own, we'd have to ask less.
[15:45] <addc182> correct, sorry
[15:48] <tomreyn> addc182: so add at least     deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-updates main       and      deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-security main
[15:49] <tomreyn> addc182: just "main" is unfortunately not enough for most systems, though
[15:50] <CrazySam> CrazySam: the answer is yes.
[15:50]  * CrazySam writes a little reminder to self.
[15:50] <addc182> yeh, grabbed a default sources.list, updating now, thanks!
[15:54] <tomreyn> addc182: install any and all pending updates via apt, identify any untracked and leftover packages using apt-forktracer (install this package, run this command, inspect / share its output), purge those untracked / leftover packages, identify and purge package with leftover configuration files. have complete backups. run do-release-upgrade
[15:59] <dv_> hi. would you pick btrfs for an ubuntu 20.04 installation if the main use of that installation is development and cross compiling of very large codebases with tens of thousands of files?
[15:59] <dv_> plus, having to rebuild said codebases from scratch on a regular basis
[15:59] <dv_> doesn't btrfs fragment heavily then?
[15:59] <lorenx> ioria, hello, are you there?
[16:01] <ioria> lorenx, yeah
[16:01] <lorenx> ioria, i did some more test about nemo and the duplicated icons
[16:01] <ioria> lorenx, and ?
[16:02] <tomreyn> dv_: how much data does a build produce then?
[16:02] <lorenx> i did a fresh install of ubuntu 20 and i run these commands: https://pastebin.com/raw/Ace5qenr
[16:02] <lorenx> and again, i saw duplicated icons
[16:03] <lorenx> but this time i tried to remove gnome-shell-extension-desktop-icons and it worked, no duplication anymore
[16:03] <tomreyn> !YY.MM | lorenx
[16:03] <ioria> lorenx, ok
[16:03] <lorenx> ubuntu 20.04, the only 20 available
[16:04] <ioria> technically, 20.10 testing is already out
[16:04] <tomreyn> also, there's no single "20", there's just "20.04 LTS" ;-)
[16:04] <lorenx> ioria, just to tell you about my investigation...
[16:05] <ioria> lorenx, than you
[16:05] <ioria> *thank
[16:06] <tomreyn> lorenx: if you identified a bug with gnome-shell-extension-desktop-icons (what you're reporting sounds like it), please make sure it's filed (already, or by you)
[16:07] <lorenx> ioria, i noticed something though... when i tried to save a file from the browser for example, it still opens nautilus...
[16:07] <lorenx> tomreyn, thanks
[16:07] <ioria> lorenx, nope, it should not
[16:08] <lorenx> but it does lol
[16:08] <ioria> lorenx, iirc, that might be set in firefox itself ..... maybe
[16:09] <lorenx> what do you mean
[16:09] <Deano59> does anyone know of a "bandwidth monitor for Ubuntu/Lubuntu?
[16:09] <ioria> lorenx, in firefox
[16:10] <lorenx> i'm not using firefox though
[16:10] <ioria> ok
[16:11] <lorenx> i don't see any option about the file manager in the browser
[16:12] <ioria> lorenx, maybe not
[16:15] <ioria> lorenx, this key maybe (application/x-gnome-saved-search=) in /usr/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache
[16:16] <ioria> lorenx, grep -i save   /usr/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache/mimeinfo.cache
[16:16] <ioria> lorenx, grep -i save   /usr/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache/
[16:18] <lorenx> https://pastebin.com/raw/YPLL1bUg
[16:18] <tomreyn> Deano59: iptraf-ng
[16:19] <lorenx> maybe this? x-content/unix-software
[16:21] <ioria> lorenx, you can try , no harm
[16:22] <lorenx> ioria, it still opens nautilus
[16:22] <ioria> keep searching
[16:23] <ioria> lorenx,  check also x-content/unix-softwar
[16:24] <ioria> sorry
[16:24] <ioria> lorenx,  check also defaults.list
[16:25] <lorenx> should i log out/in after changing defaults.list?
[16:25] <lorenx> or i restart the browser
[16:26] <ioria> lorenx,  i don't think so; restart gnome-shell maybe alt+fe ; 2 ; enter
[16:28] <CrazySam> tomreyn: I have fixed my WSL Ubuntu. I recreated the /tmp, set sticky bit, and had to create /etc/apt/preferences.d to get rid of the last warning message. System updated now without issue.
[16:28] <tomreyn> CrazySam: congratulations.
[16:30] <CrazySam> Thanks! I learned a few things in the process. Mainly about sticky bit and permissions.
[16:32] <tomreyn> occasional partial destruction is the way to enlightenment (see also dinosaurs, humans)
[16:32] <lorenx> ioria, still opens nautilus
[16:40] <bittehi> hi all. my gnome-keyring is not getting unlocked when I log in. I have removed the keying password and have automatic login enabled
[16:41] <bittehi> does anyone have the same issue?
[16:41] <bittehi> "removing the keyring password is bad" my disk is LUKS-encrypted
[16:42] <eaglgenes101> I want to do a reinstall in place
[16:42] <eaglgenes101> The ubuntu live disk is not detecting my existing installation, which I want to do in place
[16:43] <eaglgenes101> How do I point it to my current installation
[16:44] <bittehi> eaglgenes101 does the installer see your disk at all?
[16:45] <eaglgenes101> It sees it
[16:45] <eaglgenes101> My installation is on a btrfs partition inside a luks
[16:46] <eaglgenes101> I remember that I had to do some workaround to actually install it like that a few versions ago
[16:46] <bittehi> have you manually unlocked your LUKS partition already?
[16:46] <eaglgenes101> Yep
[16:46] <eaglgenes101> It's currently sitting in /dev/mapper right now
[16:47] <eaglgenes101> And it has the usual @ subvolume for root and @home subvolume for home
[16:49] <lorenx> ioria: https://pastebin.com/raw/yB6np8VL
[16:50] <bittehi> eaglgenes101 btrfs device scan /dev/mapper/[whatever] ?
[16:52] <eaglgenes101> Coming up blank apparently
[16:52] <eaglgenes101> I cam mount it though so what gives
[16:58] <bittehi> we've hit the limit of my experience with BTRFS :-(  I'm browsing the arch docs though and it looks like mounting might be a necessary step https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dm-crypt/Encrypting_an_entire_system#Btrfs_subvolumes_with_swap
[16:58] <lorenx> ioria: i tried to run this: sudo mv /usr/bin/nautilus /usr/bin/nautilus.bak && sudo ln -s /usr/bin/nemo /usr/bin/nautilus
[16:59] <lorenx> and the browser still opens nautilus lol
[16:59] <eaglgenes101> Hell I can even do things like scrub on it
[17:00] <eaglgenes101> Which I think would error if it didn't think that the particular mountpoint corresponded to a btrfs filesystem
[17:04] <[twisti]> on ubuntu lts 16, despite service mariadb stop and service mysqld stop, i have a mysqld running. what else could be controlling/running this ?
[17:04] <eaglgenes101> Btrfs device show finds the partitions in question
[17:04] <eaglgenes101> The filesystem I mean
[17:05] <tomreyn> [twisti]: "mysql" IIRC
[17:06] <tomreyn> [twisti]: that's if you have oracle mysql community server (meta package mysql-server on ubuntu)
[17:06] <[twisti]> nope, still running
[17:06] <[twisti]> its not in a docker container either
[17:07] <[twisti]> is there a way to see the call hierarchy or whatever of a process ?
[17:07] <tomreyn> [twisti]: service --status-all    should list the service
[17:07] <tomreyn> pstree lists process hierachy
[17:08] <tomreyn> ps auxw    lists all running processes
[17:10] <[twisti]> it claims to be started by systemd
[17:11] <[twisti]> the server is extremely overloaded, is it possible 'service mariadb stop' command set the service to flag stopped, but the actual turning off of the server time out somehow ?
[17:11] <[twisti]> (and in that case, how do i recover from that ? system doesnt seem to have a 'kill' mode)
[17:14] <tomreyn> systemctl is the systemd unit control command
[17:14] <eaglgenes101> Trying to launch ubiquity via command line just does not work at all, so I can't see any debug output
[17:14] <tomreyn> [twisti]:  dpkg-query -Wf '${Package}\n' | grep mysql     lists installed packages whose name contains 'mysql'
[17:15] <[twisti]> "mysqlcommon" (but im pretty sure its actually mariadb)
[17:16] <tomreyn> [twisti]: grep for 'mariadb' then. if controlling it using systemctl doesn't work and you also can't shut it down via mysql CLI you could kill the mysql process you identified using   ps auxw. this this could cause data loss.
[17:16] <tomreyn> *but this
[17:23] <k18e> Is there a way to read out and change the theme (dark mode, light mode, etc) from the command line?
[17:25] <Groar> what has better performance under 20.04, nvidia official driver or nouveau?
[17:25] <grawity> k18e: try `gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.interface gtk-theme`
[17:26] <k18e> grawity: working! thank you!
[17:27] <eaglgenes101> So if I reinstall in place on an existing btrfs filesystem will I keep my current home directory
[17:28] <echoSMILE> tomreyn: https://pastebin.com/SPfQQ48P
[17:36] <eaglgenes101> Alright im taking a leap of faith doing a reinstall with incomplete information
[17:41] <bittehi> eaglgenes101 as long as you select the existing home partition as /home, and do NOT choose to format it, the existing home will be reused
[17:44] <gbs-> hi, after installing ubuntu is there any way to switch to ubuntu-minimal?
[17:52] <cryptopsy> can someone help me set up barrier /synergy please ? right now it is going in an endless disconnect loop, here's my config: https://clbin.com/VJiBr
[18:02] <tomreyn> https://github.com/debauchee/barrier#contact-info
[18:02] <IcemanV9> cryptopsy: just looking at the config file, were it supposed to have two "end" in the last section? should it have one "end"?
[18:03] <cryptopsy> IcemanV9: i fixed that now but still
[18:04] <cryptopsy> i have no idea what i'm doing with this config, the errors are cryptic and not orientating
[18:05] <IcemanV9> cryptopsy: okay. it's far as i can go. i'm no expert on synergy.
[18:05] <cryptopsy> do you use it?
[18:06] <cryptopsy> can you suggest an alternative?
[18:17] <Sven_vB> cryptopsy, what's barrier or synergy for?
[18:44] <noraatepernos> In 18.04 do you know if there’s a reason my user crontab -l simply do not run?  Not in syslog, nowhere.
[18:44] <noraatepernos> Only /etc/cron.d stuff runs.
[18:45] <noraatepernos> It would be great if there was a way to see what the cron process sees but crontab -l, although documented as if it does this, does not.
[18:47] <cryptopsy> Sven_vB: kvm
[18:48] <noraatepernos> or some variation of crontab -l at least
[18:50] <sarnold> noraatepernos: /var/spool/cron/crontabs/
[18:51] <sarnold> noraatepernos: crontab -l worked fine for me on both an 18.04 and 20.04 machine
[18:51] <noraatepernos> It only shows jobs for the current user which is misleading I think because those might not even be watched by the cron servie
[18:51] <RoseBus> hello i am having trouble unzipping these files https://edwards.sdsu.edu/CAMI/assemblies/
[18:51] <RoseBus> am i going crazy
[18:52] <RoseBus> i try tar -xf filename.gz and it doesn't work
[18:52] <zutat> that's not .tar.gz
[18:52] <sarnold> RoseBus: fastas are single files
[18:52] <RoseBus> yea i can read fasta files
[18:52] <RoseBus> but wtf is fasta.gz
[18:53] <sarnold> it's a gzipped fasta
[18:53] <sarnold> just gzip -d the file
[18:53] <sarnold> fastas are insanely inefficient
[18:53] <sarnold> noraatepernos: what do you mean?
[18:54] <noraatepernos> If you look around there are cron files littered everywhere.  /etc/cron.d, then we have cron.daily,cron.hourly etc, and I have duplicates of jobs *everywhere* heh…and this is just apt installs and very basic.
[18:54] <RoseBus> sarnold, it says not in gzip format :(
[18:54] <noraatepernos> It seems that every apt package maintainer has a different idea of where its cron jobs should go.
[18:55] <noraatepernos> If not maybe they spray them everywhere hoping one will actually run
[18:55] <sarnold> RoseBus: which file?
[18:55] <tomreyn> noraatepernos: or maybe you just haven't read the manual and don't understand the meaning of these directories?
[18:55] <RoseBus> CAMI_medium_GoldStandardAssembly.fasta.gz
[18:55] <sarnold> noraatepernos: ah! if you're frustrated about getting a total overview of the thing, that's entirely true. :(
[18:56] <noraatepernos> tomreyn: Yeah I guess
[18:57] <sarnold> RoseBus: hmm, that one unpacked just fine for me -- what md5sum do you get on that file? I get 33e3379d46a29db8d97f2f1051c9aff1
[18:58] <RoseBus> sarnold what command did you use?
[18:58] <RoseBus> md5: 967a92b1fef64f9e9c2848ccd6946fb9
[18:58] <RoseBus> definitely not the same
[18:59] <sarnold> RoseBus: heh, that's the md5sum I get on the uncompressed thing
[18:59] <sarnold> RoseBus: I wonder if whatever client you used to download it auto-decompressed it for you for some reason?
[18:59] <sarnold> RoseBus: anyway, mv CAMI_medium_GoldStandardAssembly.fasta.gz CAMI_medium_GoldStandardAssembly.fasta and then you can start doing SCIENCE! :D
[19:00] <RoseBus> i just dead head CAMI... and it worked
[19:00] <RoseBus> so i guess chromium decompressed it already
[19:00] <RoseBus> or maybe it's not compressed and whoever uploaded it is an idiot or a prankster
[19:07] <ghavil> Hey folks, does anyone know if the 5.4 kernel was just pushed to the linux-aws channel for 18.04? I thought that was only in linux-aws-edge but, it seems like it's sitting in https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic-updates/kernel/linux-aws even though https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-aws says it's at 4.15
[19:08] <ghavil> We're suddenly seeing the 5.3 linux-aws kernel rolling out, which is sweet but, I wanted to double check that this is expected since https://ubuntu.com/blog/introducing-the-ubuntu-aws-rolling-kernel-2 mentioned this but, says it's for the edge channel
[19:12] <ncuxo> any idea why I get those https://imgur.com/a/Hf28yN1
[19:12] <ncuxo> I've just updated to ubuntu 20.04
[19:14] <kyle__> ncuxo: O_o that's curious..... I take it your graphics card didn't exhibit this behavior before.
[19:14] <ncuxo> its not just in the browser, I get those while moving my mouse
[19:14] <kyle__> What graphics card & what driver?
[19:15] <ncuxo> nope in 18.04 it was fine I start getting them on 19.04 but I thought since 20.04 is an lts it should be fine
[19:17] <ncuxo> NV43 [GeForce 6600 LE] is the graphic card
[19:17] <ncuxo> the driver is nouveau
[19:18] <ncuxo> I need it for the dual display
[19:22] <sgt_chuckles> can anyone here recommend a good app for encrypting files
[19:22] <ncuxo> gpg
[19:27] <RoseBus> hello i have this script that works from from terminal, but if i create a hotkey shortcut and call the script, i expect a prompt to show up via terminal, but nothing happens: https://bpaste.net/6JMA
[19:29] <grawity> the hotkey handler doesn't know which scripts need a terminal and which ones don't – until it's too late to start one
[19:29] <grawity> either explicitly start a terminal from your hotkey command... or use `zenity` as a graphical prompter instead of `read`
[19:32] <sarnold> RoseBus: heh, what I downloaded was most definitely compressed :)
[19:32] <Jennad> 20.04 installing mate desktop from terminal. problem, missing firmware. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/f9hZGcMmfb/ I did a pastebin of the results.. and the suggestion to set a RESUME (but no instructions on how to or what those things mean.
[19:33] <sgt_chuckles> ncuxo: gpg doesn't look like it can encrypt directories
[19:34] <ncuxo> sgt_chuckles:  you said files but for directories simply tarball :D
[19:34] <Jennad> basoca;y W: Possible missing firmware ...for module amdgpu
[19:35] <sarnold> ghavil: the 5.3 kernel is in a different source package https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-aws-5.3
[19:36] <RoseBus> grawity, ty
[19:36] <ghavil> Yeah, so that's not what I'm seeing sadly, sarnold, it looks like linux-aws for bionic-updates was also bumped to 5.3 per https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic-updates/kernel/linux-aws
[19:36] <sarnold> Jennad: the RESUME bit there is almost certainly unrelated to the warning about missing firmwares
[19:37] <sarnold> ghavil: the linux-aws binary package listed on that site is generated from the linux-meta-aws-5.3 source package, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta-aws-5.3
[19:37] <Jennad> sarnold. Oh. what do I do?
[19:38] <Sven_vB> What's wrong with my Xubuntu focal live session? "ping foo.local" takes forever with no output, while "ping $(avahi-resolve-host-name foo.local | cut -f 2)" immediately shows echo replies coming in.
[19:38] <Jennad> I used a tasksel to install it and the screen display of the background was munged like horizontal sync was off at each step
[19:38] <sarnold> ghavil: the linux-meta-aws source package appears to emit a linux-aws-lts-18.04 metapackage if you wish to stay on the old kernel https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta-aws
[19:38] <Jennad> so I went for this one sarnold + 2 lines up from me.
[19:39] <kyle__> ncuxo: Sorry had to step away for a sec.  I think you should try the closed-source nvidia driver.  I've had mixed luck with nevau and earlier nvidia drivers.  Some cards are fine, some black out after 30 seconds.
[19:39] <grawity> Sven_vB: does /etc/nsswitch.conf actually tell it to use avahi (the "mdns_minimal" module), or is it using systemd-resolved (the "resolve" module)?
[19:39] <ioria> RoseBus, it can be done inside the shortcut inbox : gnome-terminal -e "bash -c '/path/myscript ;exec bash'"
[19:39] <sarnold> Jennad: so, are you running amdgpu? do you have the linux-firmware package installed to get the firmware for you card?
[19:39] <ghavil> sarnold: Okay cool, so it's expected that bionic's linux-aws package was bumped to the 5.3 version then? (that's what I'm looking to confirm, that this is an expected change)
[19:39] <Jennad> I posted in ubuntu-mate too but they are dead and were dead yesterday...
[19:40] <Sven_vB> grawity, grep hosts /etc/nsswitch.conf¶ hosts:          files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns
[19:40] <ncuxo> kyle__: thank you very much I'll check it right away
[19:40] <grawity> Sven_vB: is `getent ahosts foo.local` equally slow?
[19:40] <sarnold> ghavil: aha, yes, I believe this is intentoinal
[19:41] <cryptopsy> anyone familiar with barrier ?
[19:41] <cryptopsy> please help
[19:41] <Sven_vB> grawity, it took about 10 seconds, then printed the IP for STREAM, DGRAM and RAW.
[19:42] <Sven_vB> grawity, yesterday on another computer it worked w/o problems. now running on a Thinkpad T410??? I remember someone had Thinkpad network problems yesterday or the day before here.
[19:43] <ghavil> sarnold: Ah okay cool, any chance there was an announcement outside of https://ubuntu.com/blog/introducing-the-ubuntu-aws-rolling-kernel-2? We're going to be pinning to linux-aws-lts-18.04 for now until we can complete testing as well but, I'm curious if I missed some communication here that bionic would be moving to 5.3 now.
[19:43] <Sven_vB> I hadn't thought it could be about hardware though
[19:43] <sgt_chuckles> ncuxo: chmod 700 was all I needed lol
[19:44] <Jennad> sarnold should I do some resume thing or is the installation done?
[19:44] <grawity> hmm looks like libnss_mdns makes a DNS query for local./SOA first
[19:44] <sarnold> ghavil: good question; I can't recall seeing any announcement of it, just some discussion of the clouds preferring newer kernels more quickly
[19:44] <Sven_vB> grawity, I'll try and deconfigure DNS servers then
[19:44] <grawity> and that can be the slow part, especially if it's handled by systemd-resolved
[19:44] <ncuxo> sgt_chuckles: chmod and encryption are totaly diferent stuff... not sure what are you doing but hey if it fits whatever you are doing fine by me :)
[19:45] <grawity> (it does that to determine whether it needs to "go out of the way" because of some LANs using .local for regular DNS)
[19:45] <sarnold> Jennad: you can probably ignore the RESUME thing -- most people don't use suspend-to-disk, and of those folks, most just have a single swap device that's large enough for the task, so there's almost never any need to configure it differently
[19:45] <Jennad> sarnold some mint system had a similar problem and they said ignore it
[19:45] <Jennad> ok I will try and relogin in mate.
[19:45] <Sven_vB> grawity, thanks. I removed all DNS from the Network Manager config and now avahi resolves as quickly as expected.
[19:46] <grawity> are you in fact using systemd-resolved for local DNS?
[19:46] <sgt_chuckles> ncuxo: I  have a directory with sensitive documents i don't want anyone happening onto.
[19:46] <sarnold> Jennad: note that the RESUME bits are prefixed with I:, the firmware messages prefixed with W: -- the I: means "informational" and the W: means "warning" -- E: would mean "error", and would be much more important
[19:46] <Sven_vB> grawity, I have no idea. I didn't (intentionally) modify and of that.
[19:46] <Sven_vB> *any of
[19:47] <sgt_chuckles> wonder if there's a way to save a GNOME workspace you can reopen after shutting down.
[19:48] <Sven_vB> sgt_chuckles, you should probably put that directory on an encrypted drive then.
[19:49] <sgt_chuckles> Sven_vB: why can't I just encrypt the folder?
[19:49] <oerheks> reopen without interaction is a security risk, why encrypt at all?
[19:50] <Sven_vB> sgt_chuckles, some filesystems might also support that. not sure which one you use.
[19:50] <deadrom> hi
[19:50] <ncuxo> sgt_chuckles: you know that if I have access to your system and I boot into root environment I can get access to your directory even with the 700 perms right ?
[19:51] <Sven_vB> sgt_chuckles, having encrypted and non-encrypted data on the same file system might leak meta data though, like indcating at which times you worked on encrypted data.
[19:51] <deadrom> dell m4800, i7, recent nvidia. cloned system disk to another, popped that into an AMD FX 6300 with geforce GT240 and rtl8168.
[19:51] <Sven_vB> sgt_chuckles, the encrypted drive doesn't need to be in hardware though. it can be a virtual drive (loop device) using a file for storage.
[19:51] <ncuxo> use FDE like LUKS
[19:52] <sarnold> sgt_chuckles: if you want an encrypted directory look at this
[19:52] <deadrom> does not boot, nvidia driver does not support legacy, has no network: no firmware for rtl8168. installed 8139, booted to recovery mode. recovery mode still has no network. what now? I ran out of ideas. I ran "start netowrk" in the recovery options screen
[19:52] <sarnold> damned firefox..
[19:52] <sarnold> sgt_chuckles: https://github.com/google/fscrypt
[19:52] <deadrom> ...but still no network
[19:53] <deadrom> tty1 regularly garbles up and other ttys are not active (why?)
[19:55] <oerheks> deadrom, interesting problem; why clone a disk with nvidia drivers?
[19:55] <pavlos> deadrom: can you boot the fx6300 with a liveusb? does it sense network?
[19:55] <deadrom> oerheks: I expected linux to cope
[19:56] <sgt_chuckles> sarnold: will check this out thankx
[19:56] <deadrom> pavlos: I ran an installtion from an 18.04 install medium to another disk and it was fully functional, now that you mention it
[19:57] <deadrom> to that same hardware that now acts up. I did not even have to install anything to get the rtl8168 working. one thing was strange, though: it used a hwe kernel which recent 18.04 isos seem to do per default, so I guess something changed there
[20:00] <Sven_vB> is there a way to make the Xubuntu live USB casper _not_ replace my modified /etc/hosts on every reboot?
[20:00] <Sven_vB> (I'm using casper-rw persistence)
[20:00] <Sven_vB> also focal
[20:02] <deadrom> well, anyway, all I need right now is a root console and network - that should not be too much asked for. what do I have to do for that? how can I boot into the most simply non-gui mode?
[20:07] <pavlos> deadrom: you said you can boot into recovery. Can you select drop to shell? this might help ... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveryMode
[20:09] <jennad> the mate display is munged.
[20:10] <jennad> still
[20:14] <jennad> i do not like the default de because I cant find anything without typing in the name if it is not in the dock.
[20:15] <jennad> is there a way to get to settings or applications or administration without typing it in? 20.04
[20:17] <pavlos> jennad: can you click the 'windows' key and navigate the menu with arrows?
[20:19] <deadrom> pavlos: right now I've got a phenomenon I encountered when I installed the machine with current 18.04 to nvidia and then swapped the card for a radeon: it boots to login, then no keyboard input works anymore apart from alt-sysrq
[20:20] <deadrom> how it does that when X is not even running beats me
[20:21] <Exagone313> Hi, is there anyone running 20.04 with default kernel (generic?) that can send my its config file in /boot/config-*?  packages.ubuntu.com is broken right now.
[20:23] <pavlos> deadrom: not sure if you can boot with the parameter nomodeset (add it before the quiet splash)
[20:24] <deadrom> I out nomodeset nosplash text
[20:24] <sarnold> Exagone313: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rtbYh56cKk/
[20:24] <deadrom> put
[20:24] <deadrom> still no go
[20:24] <sarnold> Exagone313: /boot/config-5.4.0-28-generic
[20:24] <deadrom> i'll reinstall, which is as uncool as it gets
[20:24] <Exagone313> sarnold: thanks
[20:26] <deadrom> is 20.04 usable?
[20:28] <Exagone313> sarnold: just to confirm, can you run this please?  dpkg -l | grep ' 'linux
[20:29] <sarnold> Exagone313: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CxtFMFw3pj/
[20:29] <Exagone313> thanks
[20:29] <sarnold> deadrom: wfm, but my needs may differ from yours
[20:34] <tarelerulz> When I did DD if=/home/username/  linux.iso  of=/dev/sdb status=progress , I get a bunch of text on the screen
[20:35] <tomreyn> uh, text on the screen, that's very bad!
[20:35] <tomreyn> just kidding, what was the output?
[20:35] <tomreyn> !paste
[20:35] <tomreyn> it probably said "DD: command not found"?
[20:36] <pavlos> tarelerulz: dd (lowercase)
[20:36] <tarelerulz> I did the command wrong
[20:36] <tarelerulz> I wrote 8gb
[20:36] <tarelerulz> when control D
[20:37] <tarelerulz> Have any of you had problem installing stuff?
[20:37] <ncuxo> is the package nvidia-304 missing from the ppa or I messed something up?
[20:37] <tomreyn> i think both of you need to provide more !details
[20:37] <tomreyn> !details
[20:40] <pavlos> tarelerulz: dd if=/home/user/linux.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=1M status=progress should work ... (make sure sdb is the usb stick)
[20:40] <tomreyn> they already left, i missed it, too
[20:45] <ncuxo> tomreyn: I've updated to 20.04 and nouveau is giving me problems thus I'm trying to install the nvidia-304 driver but I can't find it in the ppa
[20:46] <ncuxo> and my question could I have added the wrong ppa or it really isn't there
[20:47] <sarnold> ncuxo: try running ubuntu-drivers install ?
[20:48] <ncuxo> doesn't give anything
[20:49] <ncuxo> I've downloaded the 304 driver directly from nvidia but when I try to build I get an error on 70%
[20:49] <pavlos> ncuxo: ubuntu-drivers devices should list
[20:50] <sazawal> Hi all. I have just installed Ubuntu 20.04 with Gnome. So currently I have Gnome-Wayland and Gnome-Xorg appearing on the login screen. How do I change the login screen background for Wayland/Xorg? I know in previous Ubuntu versions there were options to do so in Settings>Background as well as by editing /usr/share/gnome-shell/theme/Yaru/gnome-shell.css, both of which are not available. Any idea how do I do that? Currently I see a purple screen on login
[20:50] <sazawal> screen and blurred desktop background on the lock screen.
[20:50] <ncuxo> pavlos: it doesn't list ... It doesn't find any devices
[20:51] <ncuxo> I've found the model of the card with lshw -c video
[20:52] <pavlos> ncuxo: does the card show in lspci ?
[20:52] <RoseBus> is there a keyboard command to paste from clipboard besides middle-click
[20:52] <RoseBus> crtl+v and shift+insert paste from the wrong clipboard
[20:53] <jennad> pavlos clicking the windows key does NOT give a menu. It only displays the tiny windows of the opened applications
[20:53] <ncuxo> pavlos:  lspci also shows the card
[20:53] <RoseBus> if middle-click is the only option for that clipboard, is there a way to send a string to the crtl+v clipboard from terminal?
[20:53] <RoseBus> right now i'm using xclip but that only works with middle-click as far as i'm aware
[20:54] <sarnold> RoseBus: I started using autocutsel to unify the two clipboards -- I only ever used the shift+insert / middle-click selection one, but firefox started using the ^C ^V one ...
[20:54] <RoseBus> cool unifying the two clipboards would work
[20:54] <oerheks> shift+ trl+v
[20:54] <RoseBus> i dont need 2 clipboards lol
[20:55] <sarnold> autocutsel -f
[20:55] <sarnold> autocutsel -f -s PRIMARY
[20:55] <sarnold> I've got that ^^ in my ~/.xsession -- there may be a better way for you to run it on your DE
[20:57] <ncuxo> I've found the package in the ppa https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+sourcepub/8519243/+listing-archive-extra ... wonder why I can't apply when trying to install
[20:57] <pavlos> ncuxo: which card do you have?
[20:58] <ncuxo> NS43 or GeForce 6600 LE
[20:59] <ncuxo>  NVIDIA Corporation NV43 [GeForce 6600 LE] (rev a2
[20:59] <ncuxo> I guess its better to copy than make mistakes :D
[20:59] <pavlos> jennad: are you running ubuntu-mate 20.04 with garbled display?
[21:01] <oerheks> that 6600le was supported with the 304 driver, supported on bionic with that driver ppa, not on Focal 2004
[21:01] <oerheks> that card is ancient.
[21:02] <tomreyn> nouveau might work still
[21:02] <ncuxo> well it was the onlyone laying around plus I don't have video output on the motherboard and I was using it for the dual displays
[21:03] <ncuxo> nouveau gives me this https://imgur.com/a/Hf28yN1
[21:04] <tomreyn> which ubuntu desktop is this?
[21:04] <RoseBus> sarnold, do i need to reboot xsession after creating a .xsession file?
[21:04] <ncuxo> gnome
[21:04] <ncuxo> standard ubuntu
[21:04] <sarnold> RoseBus: yes, but you can also just run those two commands in a terminal and carry on
[21:04] <tomreyn> so it changed its looks a lot with 20.04, haven't seen it , yet
[21:04] <ncuxo> I've just updated and the problems begun
[21:05] <ncuxo> I guess I'll roll back to 18.04
[21:05] <RoseBus> ty
[21:05] <tomreyn> ncuxo: you mean you carried out an upgrade using an unsupported upgrade path
[21:06] <ncuxo> I did what?
[21:06] <tomreyn> there's no supported upgrades to 20.04 LTS, yet
[21:06] <ncuxo> I've updated from the terminal with the standard commands
[21:07] <tomreyn> you will have supplied the -d option to do-release-upgrade, i suppose
[21:07] <ncuxo> yes I did
[21:07] <pavlos> ncuxo: you could try 1) sudo add-apt-repository ppa:graphics-drivers 2) sudo apt update 3) sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall
[21:07] <tomreyn> ncuxo: this is what ubuntu 20.04 with gnome-shell usually looks like: https://distrotest.net/screendumps/1276.png
[21:07] <ncuxo> pavlos this was the first thing I tried before even atempting the nvidia drivers directly from nvidia
[21:08] <pavlos> ncuxo: ok
[21:08] <ncuxo> tomreyn: yes and this is the chrome browser opened so I can show the jaged display
[21:09] <ncuxo> I get the errors even on moving the mouse not only in chrome
[21:09] <oerheks> pavlos, that ppa gives no 304, bionic only :-(
[21:09] <tomreyn> ncuxo: i understand. i'm just saying the panel on your screen shot looks very different from the default GUI: https://i.imgur.com/91JM3IC.jpg
[21:09] <ncuxo> oerheks: yeah unfortunately... I guess I'll go back to 18.04
[21:11] <ncuxo> tomreyn: this is an extra panel I guess the customisations to gnome have come with the update
[21:11] <ncuxo> but now I've figured out what you mean :)
[21:11] <ncuxo> I've never used the standard panel
[21:12] <tomreyn> such customizations can easily break gnome-shell after a release upgrade (and even without, i'm afraid)
[21:12] <tomreyn> so that's why i brought it up
[21:13] <tomreyn> the specific problem rather looks like it can be compositor or graphics driver related, but your logs may provide better insight there.
[21:15] <tomreyn> i'd start with a fresh uder account and reboot into the default unmodified desktop on that and see whether it works and which errors are logged there.
[21:15] <tomreyn> *user account
[21:16] <ncuxo> I'll try that tomorrow
[21:16] <ncuxo> my grandma went to sleep and I can't ssh into the machine anymore
[21:18] <ncuxo> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWl7kQZHZE0&feature=youtu.be  lol
[21:23] <cgi> how safe is it to upgrade from 16.04 using do-release-upgrade these days?  I am assuming that moves the machine to 18.04?
[21:25] <oerheks> upgrading works fine, indeed 18.04.4
[21:25] <tomreyn> cgi: as long as you take some preparatory cleanup steps to ensure the system is in a good state before you upgrade, it should usually work fine. if it still fails, there is still apt-get dist-ugrade.
[21:26] <memphisto> hi, i get segmention fault running help("modules") in python3
[21:26] <hggdh> cgi: also, as in any large-changes process, a backup of your data is HIGHLY suggested
[21:29] <kostkon> cgi, as safe as it can get at this point. it's not going to become any safer
[21:30] <cgi> which is preferably dist-upgrade or do-release-upgrade
[21:30] <kostkon> cgi, do
[21:30] <cgi> It's a VM - so i can back it up and restore if things dont work out
[21:31] <kostkon> cgi, even better
[21:31] <tomreyn> a snapshot isnt a backup, but that may be good enough.
[21:33] <cgi> tomreyn, so snapshot does not backupd data?
[21:33] <kostkon> memphisto, Ubuntu version?
[21:33] <cgi> tomreyn, Actually I have both snapshot and backups
[21:33] <memphisto> kostkon: 18.04
[21:34] <memphisto> 18.04.4
[21:34] <tomreyn> cgi: great, so you're definitely well prepared, just give it a go then.
[21:39] <phinxy> If a program like a web browser wants to open another program, e.g. when firefox opens an associated filetype, what happens?  Is it the dbus daemon that gets a message from firefox to open X program?
[21:39] <kostkon> memphisto, looks like an known problem https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python2.7/+bug/896836/comments/28
[21:40] <memphisto> kostkon: yes, it seems that's it
[21:41] <memphisto> except i don't get any warning but only segmentition fault
[21:42] <kostkon> memphisto, try to avoid using it, find alternative ways f
[21:42] <kostkon> of accessing the documentation
[21:42] <jennad> is there a way to get to settings or applications or administration without typing it in? 20.04  when I click the wondows key I get NO MENU only the tiny windows of the opened applijennad: can you click the 'windows' key and navigate the menu with arrows? cations.
[21:43] <tasuki> where has the ssh keyring gone in Ubuntu 20.04 ? I just want it to work like it did before: store my password in memory while I'm logged in
[21:44] <habtool> Hi, I am on ubuntu 20.04 and would like to try regolith desktop, when I install that windows manger and logout, i can not find the gear/cog to login with a different WM? What am i missing? Thanks in advance
[21:44] <tomreyn> jennad: so what about the answer you got on the other channel, did it help?
[21:51] <oerheks> habtool, that is part of regolith linux, ubuntu based fork.. https://regolith-linux.org/docs/getting-started/install/
[21:51] <tasuki> so apparently it
[21:51] <tasuki> it's still there and was just broken - logging in and out sorted it out
[21:52] <oerheks> maybe they have an IRC channel, dunno
[21:53] <jennad> tomreyn, I did not see any answer which is why I reasked but put the answer to sarnolds question in my answer.
[21:53] <habtool> oerheks, it is a metapackage I installed. I also installed awesome WM, but cant see the gear/cog at login screen to swicth WM / environments
[21:54] <habtool> oerheks, apt install regolith-desktop i3xrocks-net-traffic i3xrocks-cpu-usage i3xrocks-time
[21:54] <oerheks> habtool, good luck!
[21:55] <habtool> oerheks, I just cant find out to login to them, I have no gear/cog that one swaps WM at login :(
[21:55] <kostkon> !info regolith-desktop
[21:55] <kostkon> habtool, from a ppa?
[21:55] <habtool> its a PPA
[21:56] <oerheks> probably this one; https://launchpad.net/~regolith-linux/+archive/ubuntu/stable
[21:57] <kostkon> oerheks, mystery solved. thank you mr columbo
[21:58] <habtool> oerheks, I can not login to Awesome WM either and that was from the std repos. Issue is i can not see the way to swap WM at login, normally a button to click that allows swapping WM etc
[21:58] <oerheks> hmmaybe the icon appears when you select/type the usename?
[21:59] <oerheks> seen that unlogic thing before
[22:00] <habtool> oerheks, I try a few ways, but I think it should have gear on oght bottom of screen, but damned if I can find it
[22:01] <Phruis> why is gnome shell keep prompting me to install extensions ubuntu app icons?
[22:01] <habtool> I am DL the ISO of regolith, so will install on a spare partition, tiling WM may not be for me in the end, was just playing around for fun
[22:03] <Richie086> any idea how i could go about installing libssl1.0.0 on ubuntu 20.04?   When I try to run apt install libssl1.0.0, I get an error message telling me that the package is obsolete (which it is), but the package i am trying to install does not seem to be able to use libssl1.1.0 for some reason.    I have another 20.04 installation that shows that I have both libssl1.0.0 and libssl1.1.0 installed, but I have
[22:03] <Richie086>  no idea how both packages are installed in the first place, but obviously there is some way to accomplish this..
[22:04] <jennad> 20.04 has given me more grief than any previous ubuntu.
[22:04] <habtool> thanks oerheks, booting ISO now.
[22:04] <Richie086> yeah i am finding little things here and there that are starting to become big issues..   the package i am trying to install is the client for our backup server which works perfectly fine in all versions of ubuntu up until 20.04
[22:05] <oerheks> apt-cache policy openssl
[22:05] <oerheks> current bionic Installed: 1.1.1-1ubuntu2.1~18.04.5
[22:06] <oerheks> so, 1.0.0 is some lightyears ago?
[22:07] <Richie086> yeah but its required for this stupid backup client..  if i cant install it, no more backups of any servers that I moved to 20.04.   Luckily I have not upgraded anything super important, all non-production stuff
[22:08] <oerheks> weird, ancient software that requird openssl 1.0.0 ??
[22:08] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/openssl/+packages
[22:08] <oerheks> and the claim; have both libssl1.0.0 and libssl1.1.0 installed ???
[22:08] <Richie086> On one of my 20.04 servers, when I run apt list --installed | grep libssl i get hte following
[22:08] <Richie086> https://pastebin.com/LZ8dMweL
[22:08] <Richie086> see pastebin
[22:08] <Richie086> *the
[22:10] <Richie086> and of course, the backups do work on that server /w 20.04 - which i am guessing is due to the libssl1.0.0 package being available
[22:10] <Richie086> the other two servers that i upgraded to 20.04 tho just show libssl1.1
[22:11] <Richie086> and the backup client does not work at all, when my unitrends server attempts to reach out to them, the backup fails instantly
[22:22] <cgi> my do-release-upgrade seems to have worked :)
[22:28] <tomreyn> Richie086: have you considered getting a current version of the backup software?
[22:38] <Richie086> this is the most current version of the backup software available from the manufacturer
[22:39] <Richie086> :(
[22:40] <tomreyn> well then ... ask them to support ubuntu 20.04, or use a software that supports 20.04 already.
[22:40] <Richie086> thanks for the suggestion tomreyn :)   super helpful..
[22:41] <Wally> Hey, i'm using msys to compile some configure script in ubuntu but when the compiler goes to test the build it prompts me about being unable to run executables. Is there a way to get wine to work using ./whatever.exe?
[22:41] <Phruis> why is gnome shell keep prompting me to install extensions ubuntu app icons?
[22:41] <Richie086> Phruis: COVID-19
[22:42] <Richie086> sorry horrible joke..
[22:42] <Phruis> too soon
[22:42] <Phruis> :D
[22:48] <shibboleth> https://usn.ubuntu.com/lsn/0066-1/ <--- this in addition to https://usn.ubuntu.com/4342-1/ ?
[23:05] <shinobi> The 20.04 live image doesn't install grub correctly. I just get a grub prompt. Help!
[23:18] <lalitmee> Hey guys, can some one help me with Gparted Partition making problem
[23:19] <lalitmee> I have my Ubuntu 18.04 installed on 1 TB HDD
[23:19] <Phruis> what is your problem
[23:19] <lalitmee> I want to make a partition from this 1 TB but I am not able to do so using Gparted
[23:19] <Phruis> Is it mounted?
[23:19] <lalitmee> I am trying to put the size in gaprted but it is not taking
[23:20] <lalitmee> yeah I am logged in Ubuntu and I am trying to do that
[23:20] <Phruis> Is the drive mounted?  Is it the current OS drive?
[23:20] <lalitmee> so should I unmount it
[23:20] <lalitmee> yeah
[23:20] <Phruis> Use a live usb
[23:20] <Phruis> then change it with gparted
[23:20] <lalitmee> because that drive is the Ubuntu drive in which Ubuntu is installed
[23:20] <Phruis> boot off a USB
[23:21] <Phruis> then change that drive
[23:21] <lalitmee> Can I use my Extenal Harddrive?
[23:21] <Phruis> if you want
[23:21] <lalitmee> live USB means a bootable pendrive.
[23:21] <Phruis> yes
[23:22] <lalitmee> okk
[23:22] <lalitmee> I can't do it from Ubuntu?
[23:22] <lalitmee> because the drive is mounted?
[23:23] <Phruis> yes
[23:23] <Phruis> its like putting yourself in a coma and operating on yourself
[23:25] <lalitmee> hahahaha
[23:25] <lalitmee> I got it
[23:25] <Phruis> good :D
[23:25] <lalitmee> Then I will use a doctor. I mean a bootable pendrive
[23:25] <Phruis> yep
[23:28] <RoseBus> does zenity pause a shell script until it receives its input?
[23:29] <lalitmee> Phruis: Can I do this? I have dual boot with windows installed on my SSD. So I can login to my windows and then do the partition of the Ubuntu drive?
[23:30] <Phruis> lalitmee what did you format the drive as?
[23:30] <Phruis> ext4 or ntfs?
[23:30] <lalitmee> ext4
[23:31] <lalitmee> its showing ext4 in gparted
[23:31] <Phruis> then i wouldn't
[23:31] <lalitmee> It means I can't do that also. So can I change ext4 to ntfs?
[23:32] <Phruis> ways exist to do it but I cant' recommend a newbie do it
[23:32] <Phruis> if you care about your data the best way to do it is back up
[23:32] <Phruis> then resize in a live cd/usb
[23:38] <lalitmee> Phruis: then I will use live usb.
[23:46] <cgi> sometimes apt update takes a long time. Any ideas on how to speed this up?
[23:46] <cgi> Fetched 319 MB in 2min 7s (2,501 kB/s)
[23:48] <bray90820> How would I make my printer browsable via samba in ubuntu 20.04
[23:57] <Bashing-om> cgi: Change your mirror ?