[00:10] <user|36095> hi, can anyone tell me when kubuntu 20.04 upgrade will be available for 19.10? i didn't find this information anywhere... i can only find the upgrade as a dev version with do-release-upgrade -c -d
[00:11] <covidman> no upgrade path there
[00:11] <covidman> reinstall freshly onto ZFS  /
[00:24] <covidman> bombshell :   https://x0.at/_TV.jpeg
[00:49] <Roey> Hello.  I have Steam running the Beta--how do I use Proton?
 @Roey, Hi Roey!
[01:02] <TheMerchantOfVen> Roey: Settings > Steam Play > Enable Steam Play for supported titles
[01:02] <Roey> ahhhhhhh
[01:03] <Roey> ok, I don't realize why the guides I saw didn't mention this
[01:03] <Roey> one moment...
[01:03] <TheMerchantOfVen> then also check Enable Steam Play for all other titles
[01:03] <Roey> hihi too liuxophil :)
 In the steam client, go to settings and then steam play!
[01:03] <Roey> TheMerchantOfVen: ahhhhh thank you!!!!!!!!
[01:04] <Roey> thiswas driving me nuts!! Thanks!!
 Our pleasure! Are you on 20.04?
[01:04] <TheMerchantOfVen> If there is a game that has a Linux version, but doesn't play well, you can go to the game properties, and check Force the use of a spcefic Steam Play compatability tool
[01:04] <TheMerchantOfVen> you're welcome Roey! :)
 And google "protondb"!
 Very helpful!
[01:06] <TheMerchantOfVen> oh yes, from time to time a new proton version will come out, so make sure to go back and update the Run other titles dropdown from time to time
[01:07] <TheMerchantOfVen> so like all my other games were still running proton 4.2 sometime after proton 5 came out, so make sure you don't forget about updates
[01:09] <Roey> hmm
[01:09] <Roey> so I am downloading Skyrim
[01:09] <Roey> (had bought it ages ago but never installed it)
[01:09] <Roey> it doesn't show a Linux version..
[01:10] <Roey> er I am assuming Proton will take care of this for me?
[01:10] <Roey> in other words, TheMerchantOfVen, that I don't have to specify anything special in order to get it to run
[01:14] <Roey> TheMerchantOfVen: which game should I try out that doesn't have a linux build?
[01:14] <Roey> besides doom 2016.
[01:14] <TheMerchantOfVen> no, you can just click install and it will just download the windows version
[01:14] <Roey> I would love to play that but my video card is ancient
[01:14] <Roey> TheMerchantOfVen: aye.  fantastic
[01:14] <TheMerchantOfVen> you could try Battlefront II, the original one
[01:14] <Roey> geforce 750 ti
[01:15] <Roey> ok
[01:15] <TheMerchantOfVen> this is another officially supported game like doom
[01:15] <TheMerchantOfVen> they got online multiplayer back a few years ago :D
[01:15] <Roey> I thought that Doom 2016 and that Doom Eternal are windows-only?
[01:15] <Roey> oh , you mean supported by Proton
[01:15] <Roey> got it
[01:15] <TheMerchantOfVen> yes officially supported yeah
[01:15] <Roey> :)
[01:16] <Roey> I'm finding so many games on linux these days
[01:16] <Roey> (not that I game)
[01:16] <Roey> seems like more and more AAA titles are getting linux ports
[01:16] <Roey> or is that just me
[01:16] <TheMerchantOfVen> What's your steam profile?
[01:16] <TheMerchantOfVen> yeah it seems that way lol
[01:16] <TheMerchantOfVen> I moslty just play EU4 which has a great linux version to begin with
[01:17] <Roey> see the Unreal and Unigine and all those other engine based games
[01:17] <Roey> they can be easily ported to linux
[01:17] <TheMerchantOfVen> yes they can
[01:18] <Roey> heh :)
[01:18] <Roey> I rather like that about modern computing.
[01:18] <Roey> skyrim's almost done downloading, yeay!
[01:18] <TheMerchantOfVen> There's this free 2D game that works excellent on proton called Gamma Bros
[01:19] <TheMerchantOfVen> it's a really short game, like 30 minutes, it was just a port of a flash game I used to play as a kid
[01:19] <Roey> hmm, ok
[01:19] <Roey> brb
[01:28] <rtn0> hi
[01:28] <rtn0> i am running a Frankendebian, crossgraded from LinuxMint.
[01:29] <rtn0> Hi all. just to verify, what side of the screen do the [FAIL/OK] messages appear on when using Debian 8, during the boot logging?
[01:29] <rtn0> Debian does left and LinuxMint does right.... right? (it's kinda important cuz i wanna know how successful my crossgraing efforts are. every little bit of visual feedback and paying attention to side-effects like this helps.)
[01:29] <rtn0> thx in advace.
[01:35] <valorie> I think this is not the channel to ask, rtn0
[01:35] <valorie> this is support for Kubuntu
[01:36] <valorie> you are welcome to post in #kubuntu-offtopic
[01:36] <el> or in ##linux but you'll need to register an account with nickserv first (/msg nickserv help register)
[01:37] <el> i don't know if linuxmint's channel on spotchat or wherever it is would be ok with the question but i strongly suggest avoiding debian channels altogether
[01:37] <housecat> yeah, #debian isn't gonna go for a debian/mint hybrid lmao
[01:38] <rtn0> el: you recommend avoiding debian channels? they will try to bite off my head?   O_o
[01:38] <housecat> nah, they'll tell you to stop breaking debian and to come back when you reinstalled into a sane system
[01:38] <housecat> and if you're lucky they'll be that nice about it
[01:39] <rtn0> what exactly are the advantages of kubuntu/ubuntu/mint over pure debian, anyway? what are the most signifigant/compelling differences/advantages/disadvantages?
[01:39] <rtn0> is it just the apps that are installed by default?
[01:39] <rtn0> or is there more to it than that?
[01:41] <rtn0> what are the most foundational/signifigant/important/meaningful differences between the various debian distros, and also between debian-based distros in general vs. "pure" debian?
[01:41] <rtn0> can it be theoretically safer/faster/higher-performance/higher-security to run "real Debian"?
[01:42] <rtn0> not trying to start a flamewar
[01:42] <rtn0> im a noob
[01:42] <rtn0> just asking. ('bout a half a year's experience.)
[01:42] <el> for one, the packages that are in the repositories of a distro per release have been tested against each other moreso than if you franken a system which have had zero testing
[01:45] <el> when you franken and crossgrade distros, you're rolling the dice on whether things will be compatible. it might even seem like they are... until something happens and you lose data
[01:46] <TheMerchantOfVen> Ubuntu is based off of an "unstable"
[01:46] <TheMerchantOfVen> version of Debian
[01:48] <el> yep, and then kubuntu and ubuntu goes through customization, testing, patching etc by a different set of developers with an aim different to that of debian, which is to focus on the kde or gnome environments respectively. linuxmint goes through a similar process with whatever their end goal is.
[01:49] <el> debian's a bit of a blank canvas and they like to keep it that way
[01:49] <housecat> "debian: the universal operating system"
[01:52] <rtn0> so..... on old versions of Debian, like oldoldoldstable, did they use just WM instead of Desktop Environments?
[01:52] <rtn0> by default?
[01:55] <TheMerchantOfVen> debian doesn't use a default desktop
[01:57] <rtn0> so by default it doesnt even have a WM? it's just a tty?
[01:57] <rtn0> you log in with getty?
[01:57] <housecat> it asks you what you want during install
[01:58] <rtn0> housecat: oh.
[01:58] <rtn0> i guess i prefer older stuff, which is why i ask. i like butt ugly ncurses interfaces, etc.
[01:58] <rtn0> openbox, tiling window managers, etc.
[01:58] <rtn0> and tty ofc.
[01:59] <rtn0> retro.
[01:59] <valorie> then why mix in mint?
[01:59] <rtn0> :)
[01:59] <rtn0> actaully, im mixing OUT mint.
[01:59] <valorie> just go with stable debian
[01:59] <rtn0> im un-minting it.
[01:59] <rtn0> unflavored version. lol.
[02:00] <rtn0> valorie: that's whay i was considering. just wanted to get some info first.
[02:00] <rtn0> what*
[02:00] <valorie> you came to the wrong chan for that, as I said
[02:01] <valorie> this is support for Kubuntu, the best of all worlds
[02:01] <valorie> :-)
[02:01] <valorie> and friendliest
[02:01] <valorie> so again I ask, please move this to #kubuntu-offtopic
[02:05] <rtn0> valorie: kay. bye.
[02:05] <TheMerchantOfVen> lmao
 OK guys! Something VERY on topic:
 I will upgrade a 8 week old Kubuntu 19.10 install to 20.04.
 Any known pitfalls I should know about?
[02:09] <oerheks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu
[02:21] <valorie> gentle reminder that we're not all guys here....
[02:27] <ItzSwirlz> test
 there
 it's #kubuntu not with -support
[02:30] <valorie> yup
[02:31] <valorie> oh right, in Tg it has support
[02:31] <valorie> I think
[02:31] <valorie> because we have -offtopic as well, which in tg is called -cafe
 don't worry about it-in the #kubuntu-support i changed title to say go to #kubuntu for support
[02:40] <valorie> "in the #kubuntu-support i changed title to say go to #kubuntu for support" -- in the where?
[02:40] <valorie> oh, you made a channel
[02:40] <valorie> I get it
[02:41] <valorie> #Kubuntu was the first flavor channel -- it's been here a loooong time
[02:41] <housecat> 15.5 years, specifically
[02:42] <housecat> only a few months younger than #ubuntu
[03:07] <MerchantOfVen> test
[03:08] <MerchantOfVen> test2
[03:08] <housecat> test3
[03:11] <slonikdudu> How do i disable intel RTS
[03:11] <slonikdudu> I*
[03:11] <slonikdudu> In acer bios?
[03:20] <erasmo> hola mundo
 @erasmo, Hola Erasmo!
 It is me: mundo!
 ;-)
[03:37] <erasmo> nice to meet you Mundo lol
[03:42] <erasmo> I don't now how to use this, is there anyone who can teach me how?
[03:43] <erasmo> I am new here :)
[03:43] <erasmo> and  I'm bored due to the quarentine
[03:45] <R13ose> One of my earbuds of headphones is lower sound than others.  How do I fix that?
[04:04] <Xavi92> Was python-pip removed from the repos for focal? esp-idf still uses python2.7 (I know it's EOL but I cannot do anything about it) but apt cannot find python-pip, yet only python3-pip
[04:10] <lexi__> sup
[04:11] <Xavi92> Hi lexi__ :)
[04:12] <lexi__> xavi92
[04:17] <Dragnslcr> !info python-pip
[04:17] <Dragnslcr> !info python-pip eoan
[04:18] <Dragnslcr> Xavi92- looks like it was removed
[04:18] <Dragnslcr> !info python
[04:18] <Dragnslcr> Possibly along with everything else Python 2
[05:00] <johndripper> i need help i hv an ntfs partition but i cant access it not in linux and not in windows it says uknown partiton iin kde partion manager
[05:01] <johndripper> also in windows partition it says unknown partition
[05:01] <johndripper> i never formatted it
[05:01] <johndripper> i hv important files there i dont want to format it :(
[05:03] <valorie> there is a dvdrescue thing....
[05:03]  * valorie googles
[05:07] <valorie> for windows I found https://www.pandorarecovery.com/best-recovery-apps.html
[05:07] <johndripper> thanks but i dont want to use recovery  tools since it cant recover the file names :(
[05:08] <valorie> https://www.linux.com/training-tutorials/get-your-data-back-linux-based-data-recovery-tools/
[05:12] <Shesh> hi
[05:28] <viewer|9> Hi, can I post a question here regarding dist-uppgrade?
[05:30] <valorie> sure
[05:30] <valorie> it's deprecated but still works
[05:31] <viewer|9> forgive me if this is the wrong place to ask: I attempted and upgrade from 18.04 to 20.04 LTS
[05:31] <viewer|9> Followed the release note, ran do-release-upgrade -m desktop
[05:32] <viewer|9> upon reboot my system is still 18.04
[05:32] <viewer|9> do you know where I can check logs?
[05:33] <diogenes_> isn't it supposed to be -d?
[05:34] <viewer|9> maybe you're right, "https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FocalUpgrades/Kubuntu specifies" -m
[05:34] <valorie> viewer|9: you still need to do sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[05:35] <valorie> well, if -m works for you, then they flipped the switch today
[05:35] <valorie> earlier today it was still -d
[05:35] <viewer|9> interesting, -m didn't work, I shall try -d and report back
[05:35] <valorie> dist-upgrade command has been replace by full-upgrade
[05:35] <diogenes_> in Xubuntu they even add -c.
[05:36] <valorie> sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[05:36] <valorie> what's the -c for?
[05:36] <valorie> diogenes_: ?
[05:37] <diogenes_> valorie, i've never done an upgrade i've seen this recommendation on their channel.
[05:37] <valorie> ah, OK
 Hey guys (and gal)!
 I am tunning testdisk to recover some files on Kubuntu 18.04.
 Suddenly my window borders are gone and I cannot change programs any more.
 I have the impression plasma has crashed.
 The process in the Konsole seems to continue however.
 Any ideas how I can restart plasma without sacrificing the testdisk progress?
 Live booted?
 No. My normal Kubuntu install.
 Plasmashell --replace did nothing on krunner
 that does not work on 18.04
 from konsole, run killall plasmashell
 Ok. What does?
 @DarinMiller, Alright. And then?
 then: plasmashell &
 &?
 they & "spawns" the process into it's own session.
 Ok.
 One moment.
 Ill report back.
 Thanks!
 without the &, plasmashell would close if you close the terminal.
 @DarinMiller, Oh wow! Makes sense!
 @DarinMiller, Now I have a new taskbar with the tasks on it. But they stay minimized.
 New windows still open without window borders / close buttons.
 Does atl-tab work?
 sounds like kwin died.
 killall kwin*
 then run kwin &
 or it might be kwin_x11 &  (I can't remember for 18.04).
 It is not. "Process not found". I will google it...
 If kwin died, then killall kwin will report nothing to kill.
 just a sec, I will test in an 18.04 vm...
 killall kwin_x11
 In a forum it said that it must be kwin_x11
 kwin_x11
 But:
 kwin_x11 &
 (Photo, 1280x523) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/CuNTm0bx/file_28729.jpg
 what happens if you run kwin_x11 &
 @DarinMiller, Life is beautiful again!
 very good :)
 @DarinMiller, Thanks so much!
 This is weird though.
 glad to help
 I am on an all intel system.
 Running syncthing firefox and testdisk.
 Nothing that might count as a weird configuration.
 Still it happened to me at least twice in the last month.
[06:45] <Shesh> hi, How to make our own splash screen in 20.04 ?
 Before that. Never!
 I had occasional issues with 18.04 plasma stability,  Are you running backports?  They should help minimize those issues.
 @Shesh, SDDM splash screen or grub boot screen?
[06:48] <Shesh> the one that shows 3 circles and an arrow
[06:48] <Shesh> one after the login
 @DarinMiller, I can see that in discover, right? I have setup this system almost 2 years ago and never touched t apart from occasional updates.
 https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports
 sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
 sudo apt-get update
 @Shesh, System Settings -> Startup and Shutdown -> Splash Screen
[06:50] <Shesh> Yes sir. Can I make one out of my own picture ?
[06:51] <Shesh> I mean, using an image I have
 I assume, so I never tried...
[06:51] <Shesh> ok :)
[06:52] <Shesh> what should I Google for ?
 You might be able to see how others have done in the kde store: https://store.kde.org/browse/cat/488/
 @DarinMiller, Thanks! I know how to add them. Just the checking was not clear to me. But in discover I can actually have a look at the sources. You are correct. I have no kubuntu backports enabled. I remember now. I actually did this because O hoped that this would be the most stable setup.
[06:54] <Shesh> thanks
 I find that backports typically improve stability.  You can always remove backports using ppa purge if you find issues.
 @DarinMiller, Great. Do you know if the backports for Kubuntu 20.02 will give newer PLasma versions or will it be as with Kubuntu 18.04?
 Kubuntu 20.04 of course.
 not 20.02
 backports typically only provide patches for the respective platform (minor bumbs).
 @Shesh, Download a custom splash screen, the look at the layout of the file structure in ~/.local/share/plasma/look-and-feel/
 But I seem to remember that for 18.04 there was a problem with a QT version that kept Plasma versions from being bumped. Seemed to surprize quite a lot of people at the time.
 So I thought maybe that was a one time thing since it must have worked with earlier Plasma versions.
 Else nobody would have even mentioned it.
 correct, QT will not be rev'd with backports.  Only 18.04 libriaries will download to an 18.04 system.
 But this was not a problem before 18.04, correct? just bad timing with Debian.
 Filter the backports ppa website for bionic to view the 18.04 specific files.
 Sorry, understanding that is much above my pay grade. I am interested but have no IT background whatsoever.
 *buntu releases are not rolling, so each 6 month cadence locks on a specific package set.
 I can see the files but they mean nothing to me unfortunately.
 Well, I will just have to see then.
 😊
 :)
 Thanks for the explanations though!
 you are welcome!
 Tag (time appropriate goodbye's) as it my time for bed.
[07:05] <jesus_> hello
[07:10] <jesus_> hello
[07:14] <jesus_> linux
 Finally you have come!
[07:25] <Lliane> timing sounds right for that
[07:26] <Lliane> a bit disappointed by the seven trumpets however
[07:27] <Lliane> underwhelming to say the least
[07:30] <jesus_> what is this
 @jesus_, A reckoning!
 A plague
 Locusts
 Draughts
 Floods
[07:44] <jesus_> what
[07:45] <jesus_> what
[07:46] <jesus_> \k
[08:56] <memphisto> snap isn't following the themes in plasma
[08:56] <memphisto> is there sa solution for this
[09:36] <user|17309> hi, my Ubuntu not booting after adding a new ram
[09:36] <user|17309> I need ti di something or not ?
 Couldn't understand the difference between some pages such as https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Live-Build and https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Live-Build
 They are exactly the same
[10:16] <masonbee-M1> user|17309:  Usually when that happens to me I didn't seat the RAM properly.
[10:18] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:19] <ruenoak> Hi BluesKaj
[10:19] <BluesKaj> hi ruenoak
[10:23] <R13ose> One of my earbuds of headphones is lower sound than others.  How do I fix that?
[10:27] <diogenes_> R13ose, in pavucontrol.
[10:28] <R13ose> diogenes_: I have been there but don't see anywhere this says left and right.
[10:29] <ruenoak> R13ose, I had an issue with volume ballance  awhile back I installing QasMixer to ajust the ballance
[10:29] <diogenes_> R13ose, i'll show you.
[10:29] <R13ose> ruenoak: I will look into that after trying pavucontrol
[10:30] <diogenes_> R13ose, https://i.imgur.com/EDs03EY.png
[10:30] <diogenes_> see the padlock icon?
[10:31] <R13ose> Yes, I missed that
[10:31] <R13ose> Should I really make one higher than the other?
[10:32] <diogenes_> nope
[10:32] <R13ose> How is that going to fix my issue then?
 One of my earbuds of headphones is lower sound than others. >>>> you make both channels the same level?
[10:35] <R13ose> Yes but isn't that what lock channels together does?
[10:36] <R13ose> ruenoak: isn't QasMixer similar to AlsaMixer?
[10:37] <diogenes_> first of all were they both at the same level when you unlocked them?
[10:37] <R13ose> yes.  44% (-21.39 db)
[10:38] <diogenes_> then there could be something wrong with the earbuds.
[10:40] <R13ose> I have another piece of earbuds and the opposite side is not working.
[10:41] <diogenes_> could be cable is damaged.
[10:41] <ruenoak> R13ose, yes it is Alsamixer will probably let you adjust the ballance
[10:42] <R13ose> diogenes_: looks fine to me.  Could this somehow be earwax that I don't know about that got into them?
[10:46] <R13ose> ruenoak: what did you change in QasMixer? I can see if I need to change them in AlsaMixer
[10:52] <ruenoak> R13ose, I select my audio devices and was able to adjust the left and right ballance
[10:53] <R13ose> ruenoak: were they both a different balance?
[10:54] <ruenoak> yes one was lower than the other
[10:58] <ruenoak> R13ose, Im just looking at Alsamixer now and I can adjust both left and right volumes
[11:02] <R13ose> ruenoak: Unless, I am missing something, I don't see where I can do left and right volumes separately.  Yet based on pavucontrol, I can see both channels are the same volume.
[11:08] <ruenoak> R13ose, in alsamixer the master volume has individual volume sliders
[11:08] <ruenoak> I was able ti adjust them to the right balance from there
[11:11] <R13ose> ruenoak: for me the master volume has one slider.
[11:22] <ruenoak> R13ose, hmm I can't see hoy the split the channels in Alsamixer but in Qsamixer and Kmix you right click on the audio channel and select split channel
[11:30] <R13ose> thanks
[11:32] <ruenoak> R13ose No problem, I just had another look at Alsamixer, you can change the left and right channels on headphones and PCM. Press F1 for the keyboard shortcuts.
[11:33] <R13ose> let me try
[11:35] <R13ose> I get this now.
[12:16] <Shesh> Hi, who creates icons for Kubuntu ?
[12:16] <Shesh> Great work
 Hi! How do I empty the trash on the command line on Kubuntu?
 ah, found it
 rm -rf ~/.local/share/Trash/*
 Hi folks, sorry for asking this. I know this is kubuntu support group. But I'm a newbie in linux. Only know some basic stuffs. That's why I am asking this silly question😅
 (Photo, 1280x789) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/PTtA0wP9/file_28748.jpg
 But can someone tell me how to do this?
 I assume this is not the default bar that comes out of the box in ubuntu 20.04
[13:37]  * vodka test
 @RDJSD, I mean may be it's another dock
[13:39] <liteonii> Hello, I have problems showing the Featured page in Kubuntu Discover
[13:40] <liteonii> it always says that "Unable to load applications"
[13:40] <liteonii> "Please verify internet connectivity"
[13:40] <liteonii> Any help please?
 That is Ubuntu  with the Dash to Panel extension by the look of it. Not Kubuntu.
[14:02] <johndripper> i am not able to access my 43gb ntfs partition kde partition manager lists it as unknown partiton also my windows machine does the same https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qP4pcDb5wh/
[14:02] <johndripper> ^^output of fdisk
[14:03] <johndripper> how can i fix it so that it gets detected as an ntfs without formatiing
[14:04] <johndripper> also a question does the partition table exists on the a a different partition?
[14:07] <diogenes_> johndripper, try: sudo ntfsfix --clear-bad-sectors --clear-dirty /dev/sdx
[14:07] <johndripper> will it delete my files @diogenes?
[14:08] <diogenes_> nope
[14:08] <johndripper> ok
[14:10] <johndripper> for me its /dev/sda2 right @diogenes ?
[14:11] <diogenes_> johndripper, that's what you should figure out.
[14:15] <johndripper> nope didnt work
[14:15] <johndripper> :(
[14:16] <diogenes_> johndripper, then boot to windows and try its tool for fixing the issues.
[14:16] <johndripper> will it dmg my linux partition?
[14:16] <johndripper> *damage
[14:18] <diogenes_> of course not, windows doesn't see linux partitions.
[14:18] <diogenes_> i mean if you know what you're doing.
[14:53] <Guest12793> привет
[14:54] <diogenes_> !ru
 Hello How Can Add (Alt+Shift) As Windows 10 for change keyboard language ?
 You should see in system settings if you can assign that function to the keybinding that you want
[16:04] <liteonii> join #ubuntu
[16:32] <magic_ninja_work> I'm on 19.10. Is there a particular repo configuration that would prevent me from seeing the release upgrade for 20.04? I can't remember what version I initially installed, but I edited my repos to go into 19.10 testing, then stayed on 19.10. Not sure if they need to be set for "stable" or such.
[16:32] <magic_ninja_work> I have them set for eoan
[16:50] <cart_man> how do I open a private chat channel to someone?
[16:50] <cart_man> on IRC I mean
[17:17] <magic_ninja_work> cart_man, use /msg <nickname> . It is common practice to ask permission first.
 is there smth like sudo do-release-upgrade … in ubuntu on kubuntu ?
[17:24] <Metamorphosis> hi, there are some software that are both available as ordinary deb packages and also snap, how can I make my kubuntu to install the deb ones automatically and ignore the snap ones when using discover?
[17:25] <masonbee-M1> Metamorphosis: I tend to use "sudo apt remove snapd" to remove snap completely. You can always add it back in.
[17:27] <Metamorphosis> masonbee-M1 Unfortunately I use some apps that have no non-snap alternative (eg: Skype).
[17:28] <masonbee-M1> Metamorphosis: If you get skype from the website was under the impression it automatically adds it's repo.......Also, have a look at ferdi.
[17:30] <Metamorphosis> masonbee-M1 Skype downloaded from its website is newer?
[17:31] <Metamorphosis> masonbee-M1 Unfortunately upgrading from 18.04 to 20.04 brought me new problems as I can't install Viber and it says there are missing dependancies without telling me what are these missing dependancies.
[17:34] <masonbee-M1> Metamorphosis: Skype version from the website is 8.59.0.77.
[17:34] <masonbee-M1> Metamorphosis: Same version as the snap
[17:35] <Metamorphosis> masonbee-M1 are there benefits from using traditional packages instead of snap?
[17:36] <masonbee-M1> Metamorphosis: They are a lot smaller would be the biggest one.
[17:37] <Metamorphosis> masonbee-M1 do you know what are the dependencies of Viber? It worked like a charm in 18.04 and won't install in 20.04. I download it from www.viber.com
[17:39] <masonbee-M1> Metamorphosis: No, but this would appear to be helpful. https://askubuntu.com/questions/1229950/unable-to-make-viber-call-on-ubuntu-20-04
[17:47] <Metamorphosis> masonbee-M1 thanks, I'm unable to install these packages :  libssl1.0.0_1.0.2n-1ubuntu6.2_amd64.deb, libssl1.0-dev_1.0.2n-1ubuntu6.2_amd64.deb
[17:48] <masonbee-M1> Metamorphosis: Try the flatpack answer underneath?
[17:49] <Metamorphosis> masonbee-M1 there is an unofficial Viber in Snap but it's very old (2017)
[18:09] <masonbee-M1> Metamorphosis: You could go flatpak https://flathub.org/apps/details/com.viber.Viber
[18:10] <Metamorphosis> Thanks I'm installing it.
[18:34] <linux> ola
[19:05] <user|62297> screen tearing
[19:06] <tomreyn> rain outside
 lol
 BTW, lightworks and viber both require libssl1.0.0.  Ubuntu 20.04 ships with libssl1.1/focal.  To determine why a package fails to install use dpkg -i myApp.deb, i.e. sudo dpkg -i viber.deb
 We will will have to wait until both companies update/recompile their install packages for 20.04.  I attempted reconfiguring lightworks deb installer to reference 1.1 and while install succeeded, the program crashed during launch.
[19:39] <Xavi92> My laptop has a NVidia GeForce 820M, which it looks like I cannot use on Linux if I want to avoid login loops and black screens on startup. Does anyone know who in NVidia should I complain at?
[19:39] <Xavi92> It's kinda unfortunate I can only use the integrated graphics chipset on it
 Are the proprietary drivers installed?
 System Setting -> Driver Manager
[19:41] <Xavi92> DarinMiller: did a fresh install of Kubuntu 20.04 LTS with the 'Install third-party ...' option checked, which downloaded and installed nvidia-340, but after the installation it lead to a black screen
[19:42] <Xavi92> Purging all nvidia-* packages solved it, so I did another fresh install without that option
 Look like the installer picked the wrong driver.  As per https://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/70744/en-us
[19:42] <Xavi92> So they are currently not installed, as doing so crashes the system (also happened in 18.04 LTS)
 gtx 760 (820M) should use the 440 driver
[19:43] <Xavi92> DarinMiller: I already tested the 440 driver on both 18.04 LTS and 20.04 LTS with same success :/
 sudo apt purge nvdiia*
 @DarinMiller, Yep, 440 works fine
 sudo apt install nvidia-driver-440
[19:45]  * Xavi92 crosses fingers
 @Xavi92, Success means fail?
[19:45] <Xavi92> DarinMiller: yup, it also lead to black screens the last time I installed them
[19:46] <Xavi92> I don't want to risk the system again unless someone has good experience with it on this very same chipset
 wait to install... use the nvidia ppa 1st
 https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
 sudo add-apt-repository ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa
 then run sudo apt install nvidia-driver-440
[19:47] <Xavi92> DarinMiller: actually, I already tested https://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/70744/en-us at some point, but the installer always failed at some point
 Yes, the nvidia driver install is a bit unpredictable.  Use the ppa version of the drivers as they pull in the required deps to build against the kernel.
 so sudo purge nvidia*, add the ppa, then sudo apt install nvidia-driver-440
[19:49] <Xavi92> DarinMiller: and are these drivers up to date with current kernel on 20.04?
 yes
[19:51] <Xavi92> DarinMiller: sorry for asking so much. I've had terrible experiences with NVidia drivers on this computer
 Filter the list for focal: https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa?field.series_filter=focal
 Alberto Milone built the 440 driver on April 9th. That guy is the rock star of Ubuntu video drivers.
 Once install and restarted, you should be able to select between prime profiles (Intel, NVidia on demand, and NVidia) in the NVidia settings menu.
[19:56] <Xavi92> DarinMiller: hrm, even after adding the PPA, apt still prefers the version on the Ubuntu repositores
 That would be a bug you should file against ubuntu as I suspect your GPU landed in the wrong list.
[19:57] <Xavi92> `sudo apt install nvidia-driver-440=440.82-0ubuntu0~0.20.04.1` (where 440.82-0ubuntu0~0.20.04.1 is the version from the PPA) leads to broken packages. See https://bpaste.net/2ILQ
 How old is your laptop?  If it's over 10 years old, the the 340 should be the correct driver as NVidia had 800 series cards in the  2008 timeframe.  But if its only a couple years old, the your card is probably mis-identified.
[19:59] <Xavi92> DarinMiller: it's an Asus A555L, circa 2015
 I have a 760 desktop CPU and it requires the 440 drivers.  I also have an older Dell XPS laptop with an 8600GT graphic cards which requires the 340 driver.
 Yes, that's a newer laptop and should use the 440 driver.
[20:01] <Xavi92> DarinMiller: then it might be a reasonable to file an issue on Ubuntu bugs, right?
[20:01] <Xavi92> So the PPA version is preferred by apt
 correct
[20:01] <Xavi92> Thanks a lot for your help!
 ensure to run lspci | grep -i --color 'vga\|3d\|2d' and include the output in your bug report.  And when they fix it, that will help others avoid this hassle.
[20:03] <Xavi92> DarinMiller: according to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-440/440.82+really.440.64-0ubuntu6 , the Ubuntu version was released on 2020-04-22, so that might explain why apt prefers that one
 I really suspect its pattern matching a card on the wrong list, so either the matching logic or the list should be fixed.
 So did the install work?
[20:09] <Xavi92> DarinMiller: haven't tested it, as apt does not allow me installing the version from the PPA (see paste above). I'm now preparing the issue
 Oh, sorry I missed that...
 sudo apt install -f
 sudo apt update
[20:13] <Xavi92> DarinMiller: isn't that risky if there are broken packages according to apt?
 sudo apt install nvidia-driver-440
 the nvidia driver install can be a little touchy:
 if the above fails try this: sudo apt install nvidia-driver-440 xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-440
 That will inform the install that you intentionally want to update xserver and the nvidia driver.  It should automatically know, but sometimes it gets confused.
[20:17] <archetech> is there a kubuntu chan for arm ?
 From my experience, "sudo apt install -f"  is only risky when installing from strange sources or "mixed/older repos"
[20:18] <Xavi92> DarinMiller: heh, I know it's not the same chipset, but still sounds frightening :( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-440/+bug/1867361
 if needed, we can hit ctrl-alt-f2 during boot and sudo purge nvidia* to restore to current state.  Been there many times with my Dell 7559 hybrid laptop when it was not very well supported  (960M graphics card).
 My dell hybrid 7559 is running 20.04 perfectly with the PPA recommended above.
 Need to step away for a few minutes bbs.
[20:36] <Xavi92> DarinMiller: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-440/+bug/1876522
[20:53] <magic_ninja_work> DarinMiller: I have the same laptop. I'm glad to hear it. How has your experience been? I've found this laptop to be absolutely fantastic.
 @Xavi92, Thanks for filing the bug.
 Did the last command work to install the driver and the xserver?
 @magic_ninja_work, I have had great luck in the last few releases with Kubuntu and hybrid drivers.  Doom 2016 runs very well.
[21:27] <Xavi92> DarinMiller: I'm waiting for some feedback from the PPA team first
 Hi. Anybody knows how to fix BusyBox v1.30.1 on 20.04 after update. On 19.10 I  use <fsck /dev/sdaX> , but on 20.04 it doesn't work. It shows only one system disk <udev>. Thanks.