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| lotuspsychje | good morning | 01:52 |
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| Mr_Cyclops | Guys, looking for a reliable cloud storage solution, any suggestions? | 03:09 |
| oerheks | setup your own nextcloud? | 03:17 |
| tgm4883 | Really depends on what you're looking for. Cloud storage can mean so many things. Without knowing what features you want, tough to say | 03:18 |
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| ducasse | good morning | 06:05 |
| oerheks | no, good morning | 06:07 |
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| marcoagpinto | Heya | 12:27 |
| marcoagpinto | is anyone there?! | 12:46 |
| marcoagpinto | >:) <- Cola demon | 12:46 |
| * lotuspsychje runs | 12:46 | |
| marcoagpinto | lotuspsychje! | 12:46 |
| marcoagpinto | >:) | 12:46 |
| marcoagpinto | glad to see you around | 12:46 |
| CrazySam | Is 20.04 LTS the next upgrade from 19.10? | 16:26 |
| JoeMerit | if you want it to be | 16:28 |
| CrazySam | I mean both 18.04 LTS and 19.10 are candidates for 20.04 LTS? | 16:29 |
| CrazySam | It's the "LTS" that's confusing me. | 16:29 |
| joelcrump | well some people download the new version every six months, others keep the LTS versions until another LTS comes out | 16:30 |
| CrazySam | OK so these are not like 2 separate branches of Ubuntu, it's just a matter of how far on the edge you wanna be? | 16:31 |
| katnip | upgrading every 2 yrs is much easier than 6mos | 16:32 |
| CrazySam | OK, then I understood correctly. | 16:32 |
| CrazySam | And 19.10 (non-LTS) users don't have to do anything special to get the 20.04 LTS? Like setting some kind of flag if they are "LTS" or not. (Some discussion I saw earlier in the main channel.) | 16:33 |
| CrazySam | But at the moment they have to use the -d option of do-release-upgrade if they want the 20.04 LTS ahead of time (ahead of the 20.04.1 release). | 16:34 |
| CrazySam | (Just like 18.04 LTS users.) | 16:35 |
| CrazySam | I'm upgrading 19.10 to 20.04 LTS right now. Didn't have to make it "LTS" first. | 16:48 |
| CrazySam | I say deprecate apg-get! What do you say? | 17:18 |
| daftykins | it already is deprecated, it's just "apt" :) | 17:19 |
| Eickmeyer | daftykins: apt-get is still around for scripting because apt is not guaranteed to be scriptable. | 17:19 |
| daftykins | you're preaching to the choir, good sir | 17:20 |
| tomreyn | CrazySam: about your previous question here: if you *initially* install an LTS release you'll be on the LTS path, will only be prompted for LTS release upgrades once available, unless you edit the update-manager configuration. | 17:20 |
| tomreyn | !upgradelts | 17:20 |
| tomreyn | ubot9: you are broken | 17:20 |
| Eickmeyer | !ltsupgrade | 17:20 |
| tomreyn | To upgrade from an LTS release of Ubuntu to the next (non-LTS) release, run sudoedit /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades and change the prompt= line to "prompt=normal". Then, do sudo do-release-upgrade to begin the upgrade. | 17:20 |
| joelcrump | software updater had an option to notify of any new version release | 17:21 |
| joelcrump | which i set it to do 'cause i intend to get 20.10 | 17:22 |
| tomreyn | right, this should have done the same thing. | 17:23 |
| CrazySam | Eickmeyer: guaranteed by who? | 17:34 |
| Eickmeyer | CrazySam: The developers....? | 17:35 |
| CrazySam | Source? | 17:35 |
| Eickmeyer | I'm not gonna google that for you. | 17:35 |
| CrazySam | OK | 17:37 |
| Eickmeyer | CrazySam: But since I did: "For low-level operations, in scripting etc, apt-get will still be used" https://itsfoss.com/apt-vs-apt-get-difference/ | 17:37 |
| Eickmeyer | TL;DR: apt for end-users, apt-get for low-level operations. | 17:37 |
| tomreyn | or CrazySam could have just run the command i provided a while ago on #ubuntu, and seen it themselves | 17:38 |
| tomreyn | <tomreyn> apt moo | cat | 17:38 |
| Eickmeyer | And that's another thing. CrazySam, #ubuntu is strictly for support. I'm tired of seeing your rants in there. | 17:39 |
| tomreyn | <tomreyn> CrazySam: run the above command and ignore anything starting from and including the ears (or horns) | 17:39 |
| CrazySam | Eickmeyer: Well I've been there, and read that. So it's Abhishek Prakash who guarantees that apt-get is scriptable? Not Ubuntu, Canonical, Debian or some other authority? I'm just curious where this is coming from. | 17:50 |
| CrazySam | How can you guarantee anything in software? | 17:50 |
| Eickmeyer | CrazySam: Open a command line, type "apt moo | cat". | 17:51 |
| CrazySam | "WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in scripts." | 17:55 |
| CrazySam | Who put that in there? | 17:55 |
| CrazySam | Who is to guarantee that apt-get IS stable? | 17:55 |
| Eickmeyer | Uh... the DEVELOPERS put that there. Can you STOP assuming bad faith???? | 17:56 |
| Eickmeyer | CrazySam: The APT development team, led by juliank: https://launchpad.net/~deity | 17:58 |
| daftykins | goodness me what a loony attitude, nick makes sense now | 17:58 |
| Eickmeyer | juliank is a Canonical employee. | 17:59 |
| Eickmeyer | So, at MINIMUM Canonical is saying that. | 17:59 |
| Eickmeyer | CrazySam: We expect people to abide by the Ubuntu Code Of Conduct, and your assuming bad faith is flying in the face of that. | 17:59 |
| CrazySam | Alright, so it's guaranteed by Canonical, at least. But why not give apt the same treatment? You have two similarly named tools with very different goals and level of stability. Somehow I find that very unsatisfying. | 18:54 |
| lotuspsychje | CrazySam: didnt you upgrade yesterday from 19.10 to 20.04? | 18:55 |
| CrazySam | lotuspsychje: that may be true. | 19:00 |
| lotuspsychje | CrazySam: why do you keep volunteers busy again with that today then? | 19:01 |
| tds | CrazySam: I believe the logic is that apt is a friendly interface for users, but apt-get can be used by tools | 19:02 |
| daftykins | must be lonely | 19:02 |
| CrazySam | lotuspsychje: I have a done a number of upgrades in recent weeks. All of them were virtual boxes. This was a physical box. And what do you mean by me keeping volunteers busy? I didn't ask for help here, did I? | 19:07 |
| CrazySam | daftykins: you really have nothing better to say do you? | 19:08 |
| lotuspsychje | CrazySam: yeah but you ask just the same things as you did yesterday, whats that good for? | 19:08 |
| lotuspsychje | <CrazySam> Is 20.04 LTS the next upgrade from 19.10? | 19:11 |
| CrazySam | lotuspsychje: maybe I didn't get an answer or did not understand it? I mean I did get an answer today, and what an answer: "if you want it to be". | 19:15 |
| CrazySam | Surely there are limits to what's possible, even in the world of Linux. | 19:16 |
| lotuspsychje | CrazySam: you said you succesfully upgraded to 20.04 yesterday, what did you not understand well? | 19:16 |
| CrazySam | lotuspsychje: am I bothering you by any chance? | 19:20 |
| lotuspsychje | CrazySam: no, this is a discuss channel, im interested to know why you re-asked all this after a succesfull upgrade.. | 19:21 |
| CrazySam | lotuspsychje: right, but you're kind of bothering me. See I'm in the middle of something now. But I'll get back to you later if you're that much interested. OK? | 19:27 |
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