[01:52] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[03:09] <Mr_Cyclops> Guys, looking for a reliable cloud storage solution, any suggestions?
[03:17] <oerheks> setup your own nextcloud?
[03:18] <tgm4883> Really depends on what you're looking for. Cloud storage can mean so many things. Without knowing what features you want, tough to say
[06:05] <ducasse> good morning
[06:07] <oerheks> no, good morning
[12:27] <marcoagpinto> Heya
[12:46] <marcoagpinto> is anyone there?!
[12:46] <marcoagpinto> >:) <- Cola demon
[12:46]  * lotuspsychje runs
[12:46] <marcoagpinto> lotuspsychje!
[12:46] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[12:46] <marcoagpinto> glad to see you around
[16:26] <CrazySam> Is 20.04 LTS the next upgrade from 19.10?
[16:28] <JoeMerit> if you want it to be
[16:29] <CrazySam> I mean both 18.04 LTS and 19.10 are candidates for 20.04 LTS?
[16:29] <CrazySam> It's the "LTS" that's confusing me.
[16:30] <joelcrump> well some people download the new version every six months, others keep the LTS versions until another LTS comes out
[16:31] <CrazySam> OK so these are not like 2 separate branches of Ubuntu, it's just a matter of how far on the edge you wanna be?
[16:32] <katnip> upgrading every 2 yrs is much easier than 6mos
[16:32] <CrazySam> OK, then I understood correctly.
[16:33] <CrazySam> And 19.10 (non-LTS) users don't have to do anything special to get the 20.04 LTS? Like setting some kind of flag if they are "LTS" or not. (Some discussion I saw earlier in the main channel.)
[16:34] <CrazySam> But at the moment they have to use the -d option of do-release-upgrade if they want the 20.04 LTS ahead of time (ahead of the 20.04.1 release).
[16:35] <CrazySam> (Just like 18.04 LTS users.)
[16:48] <CrazySam> I'm upgrading 19.10 to 20.04 LTS right now. Didn't have to make it "LTS" first.
[17:18] <CrazySam> I say deprecate apg-get! What do you say?
[17:19] <daftykins> it already is deprecated, it's just "apt" :)
[17:19] <Eickmeyer> daftykins: apt-get is still around for scripting because apt is not guaranteed to be scriptable.
[17:20] <daftykins> you're preaching to the choir, good sir
[17:20] <tomreyn> CrazySam: about your previous question here: if you *initially* install an LTS release you'll be on the LTS path, will only be prompted for LTS release upgrades once available, unless you edit the update-manager configuration.
[17:20] <tomreyn> !upgradelts
[17:20] <tomreyn> ubot9: you are broken
[17:20] <Eickmeyer> !ltsupgrade
[17:20] <tomreyn> To upgrade from an LTS release of Ubuntu to the next (non-LTS) release, run sudoedit /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades and change the prompt= line to "prompt=normal". Then, do sudo do-release-upgrade to begin the upgrade.
[17:21] <joelcrump> software updater had an option to notify of any new version release
[17:22] <joelcrump> which i set it to do 'cause i intend to get 20.10
[17:23] <tomreyn> right, this should have done the same thing.
[17:34] <CrazySam> Eickmeyer: guaranteed by who?
[17:35] <Eickmeyer> CrazySam: The developers....?
[17:35] <CrazySam> Source?
[17:35] <Eickmeyer> I'm not gonna google that for you.
[17:37] <CrazySam> OK
[17:37] <Eickmeyer> CrazySam: But since I did: "For low-level operations, in scripting etc, apt-get will still be used" https://itsfoss.com/apt-vs-apt-get-difference/
[17:37] <Eickmeyer> TL;DR: apt for end-users, apt-get for low-level operations.
[17:38] <tomreyn> or CrazySam could have just run the command i provided a while ago on #ubuntu, and seen it themselves
 apt moo | cat
[17:39] <Eickmeyer> And that's another thing. CrazySam, #ubuntu is strictly for support. I'm tired of seeing your rants in there.
 CrazySam: run the above command and ignore anything starting from and including the ears (or horns)
[17:50] <CrazySam> Eickmeyer: Well I've been there, and read that. So it's Abhishek Prakash who guarantees that apt-get is scriptable? Not Ubuntu, Canonical, Debian or some other authority? I'm just curious where this is coming from.
[17:50] <CrazySam> How can you guarantee anything in software?
[17:51] <Eickmeyer> CrazySam: Open a command line, type "apt moo | cat".
[17:55] <CrazySam> "WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in scripts."
[17:55] <CrazySam> Who put that in there?
[17:55] <CrazySam> Who is to guarantee that apt-get IS stable?
[17:56] <Eickmeyer> Uh... the DEVELOPERS put that there. Can you STOP assuming bad faith????
[17:58] <Eickmeyer> CrazySam: The APT development team, led by juliank: https://launchpad.net/~deity
[17:58] <daftykins> goodness me what a loony attitude, nick makes sense now
[17:59] <Eickmeyer> juliank is a Canonical employee.
[17:59] <Eickmeyer> So, at MINIMUM Canonical is saying that.
[17:59] <Eickmeyer> CrazySam: We expect people to abide by the Ubuntu Code Of Conduct, and your assuming bad faith is flying in the face of that.
[18:54] <CrazySam> Alright, so it's guaranteed by Canonical, at least. But why not give apt the same treatment? You have two similarly named tools with very different goals and level of stability. Somehow I find that very unsatisfying.
[18:55] <lotuspsychje> CrazySam: didnt you upgrade yesterday from 19.10 to 20.04?
[19:00] <CrazySam> lotuspsychje: that may be true.
[19:01] <lotuspsychje> CrazySam: why do you keep volunteers busy again with that today then?
[19:02] <tds> CrazySam: I believe the logic is that apt is a friendly interface for users, but apt-get can be used by tools
[19:02] <daftykins> must be lonely
[19:07] <CrazySam> lotuspsychje: I have a done a number of upgrades in recent weeks. All of them were virtual boxes. This was a physical box. And what do you mean by me keeping volunteers busy? I didn't ask for help here, did I?
[19:08] <CrazySam> daftykins: you really have nothing better to say do you?
[19:08] <lotuspsychje> CrazySam: yeah but you ask just the same things as you did yesterday, whats that good for?
 Is 20.04 LTS the next upgrade from 19.10?
[19:15] <CrazySam> lotuspsychje: maybe I didn't get an answer or did not understand it? I mean I did get an answer today, and what an answer: "if you want it to be".
[19:16] <CrazySam> Surely there are limits to what's possible, even in the world of Linux.
[19:16] <lotuspsychje> CrazySam: you said you succesfully upgraded to 20.04 yesterday, what did you not understand well?
[19:20] <CrazySam> lotuspsychje: am I bothering you by any chance?
[19:21] <lotuspsychje> CrazySam: no, this is a discuss channel, im interested to know why you re-asked all this after a succesfull upgrade..
[19:27] <CrazySam> lotuspsychje: right, but you're kind of bothering me. See I'm in the middle of something now. But I'll get back to you later if you're that much interested. OK?