=== tds9 is now known as tds [01:52] good morning [03:09] Guys, looking for a reliable cloud storage solution, any suggestions? [03:17] setup your own nextcloud? [03:18] Really depends on what you're looking for. Cloud storage can mean so many things. Without knowing what features you want, tough to say === tds2 is now known as tds [06:05] good morning [06:07] no, good morning === acheronuk is now known as RikMills [12:27] Heya [12:46] is anyone there?! [12:46] >:) <- Cola demon [12:46] * lotuspsychje runs [12:46] lotuspsychje! [12:46] >:) [12:46] glad to see you around [16:26] Is 20.04 LTS the next upgrade from 19.10? [16:28] if you want it to be [16:29] I mean both 18.04 LTS and 19.10 are candidates for 20.04 LTS? [16:29] It's the "LTS" that's confusing me. [16:30] well some people download the new version every six months, others keep the LTS versions until another LTS comes out [16:31] OK so these are not like 2 separate branches of Ubuntu, it's just a matter of how far on the edge you wanna be? [16:32] upgrading every 2 yrs is much easier than 6mos [16:32] OK, then I understood correctly. [16:33] And 19.10 (non-LTS) users don't have to do anything special to get the 20.04 LTS? Like setting some kind of flag if they are "LTS" or not. (Some discussion I saw earlier in the main channel.) [16:34] But at the moment they have to use the -d option of do-release-upgrade if they want the 20.04 LTS ahead of time (ahead of the 20.04.1 release). [16:35] (Just like 18.04 LTS users.) [16:48] I'm upgrading 19.10 to 20.04 LTS right now. Didn't have to make it "LTS" first. [17:18] I say deprecate apg-get! What do you say? [17:19] it already is deprecated, it's just "apt" :) [17:19] daftykins: apt-get is still around for scripting because apt is not guaranteed to be scriptable. [17:20] you're preaching to the choir, good sir [17:20] CrazySam: about your previous question here: if you *initially* install an LTS release you'll be on the LTS path, will only be prompted for LTS release upgrades once available, unless you edit the update-manager configuration. [17:20] !upgradelts [17:20] ubot9: you are broken [17:20] !ltsupgrade [17:20] To upgrade from an LTS release of Ubuntu to the next (non-LTS) release, run sudoedit /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades and change the prompt= line to "prompt=normal". Then, do sudo do-release-upgrade to begin the upgrade. [17:21] software updater had an option to notify of any new version release [17:22] which i set it to do 'cause i intend to get 20.10 [17:23] right, this should have done the same thing. [17:34] Eickmeyer: guaranteed by who? [17:35] CrazySam: The developers....? [17:35] Source? [17:35] I'm not gonna google that for you. [17:37] OK [17:37] CrazySam: But since I did: "For low-level operations, in scripting etc, apt-get will still be used" https://itsfoss.com/apt-vs-apt-get-difference/ [17:37] TL;DR: apt for end-users, apt-get for low-level operations. [17:38] or CrazySam could have just run the command i provided a while ago on #ubuntu, and seen it themselves [17:38] apt moo | cat [17:39] And that's another thing. CrazySam, #ubuntu is strictly for support. I'm tired of seeing your rants in there. [17:39] CrazySam: run the above command and ignore anything starting from and including the ears (or horns) [17:50] Eickmeyer: Well I've been there, and read that. So it's Abhishek Prakash who guarantees that apt-get is scriptable? Not Ubuntu, Canonical, Debian or some other authority? I'm just curious where this is coming from. [17:50] How can you guarantee anything in software? [17:51] CrazySam: Open a command line, type "apt moo | cat". [17:55] "WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in scripts." [17:55] Who put that in there? [17:55] Who is to guarantee that apt-get IS stable? [17:56] Uh... the DEVELOPERS put that there. Can you STOP assuming bad faith???? [17:58] CrazySam: The APT development team, led by juliank: https://launchpad.net/~deity [17:58] goodness me what a loony attitude, nick makes sense now [17:59] juliank is a Canonical employee. [17:59] So, at MINIMUM Canonical is saying that. [17:59] CrazySam: We expect people to abide by the Ubuntu Code Of Conduct, and your assuming bad faith is flying in the face of that. [18:54] Alright, so it's guaranteed by Canonical, at least. But why not give apt the same treatment? You have two similarly named tools with very different goals and level of stability. Somehow I find that very unsatisfying. [18:55] CrazySam: didnt you upgrade yesterday from 19.10 to 20.04? [19:00] lotuspsychje: that may be true. [19:01] CrazySam: why do you keep volunteers busy again with that today then? [19:02] CrazySam: I believe the logic is that apt is a friendly interface for users, but apt-get can be used by tools [19:02] must be lonely [19:07] lotuspsychje: I have a done a number of upgrades in recent weeks. All of them were virtual boxes. This was a physical box. And what do you mean by me keeping volunteers busy? I didn't ask for help here, did I? [19:08] daftykins: you really have nothing better to say do you? [19:08] CrazySam: yeah but you ask just the same things as you did yesterday, whats that good for? [19:11] Is 20.04 LTS the next upgrade from 19.10? [19:15] lotuspsychje: maybe I didn't get an answer or did not understand it? I mean I did get an answer today, and what an answer: "if you want it to be". [19:16] Surely there are limits to what's possible, even in the world of Linux. [19:16] CrazySam: you said you succesfully upgraded to 20.04 yesterday, what did you not understand well? [19:20] lotuspsychje: am I bothering you by any chance? [19:21] CrazySam: no, this is a discuss channel, im interested to know why you re-asked all this after a succesfull upgrade.. [19:27] lotuspsychje: right, but you're kind of bothering me. See I'm in the middle of something now. But I'll get back to you later if you're that much interested. OK?