[00:06] <bluesabre> That xfwm4 release looks like a good SRU candidate.
[00:09] <jphilips> bluesabre: this youtube mentioned some problem with the mouse cursor in snaps here https://youtu.be/xYnzqtPiK7s?t=337
[00:09] <jphilips> youtuber*
[00:10] <bluesabre> I'll have to experiment with that.
[00:12] <jphilips> when he moves his mouse into the chromium or vlc windows, the mouse cursor turns black, strange that it would only effect xubuntu and not other flavors
[00:12] <bluesabre> Right.
[03:39] <Unit193> bluesabre: Not really sure if I should go poking in here or -ot, but do you ever play with stuff like x2go?
[05:56] <ochosi> bluesabre: +1 on xfwm4
[09:41] <jphilips> for all those that want to join, we are having a docs meeting today at 3pm UTC on zoom or jitsi
[09:42] <jphilips> if you have any suggestions to improvements to docs, please put them in here https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oGNc4nDmUkhk67-S07VKhOQ7tSWXUW6ureG8N7SVM_o/edit#
[11:03] <bluesabre> Unit193: first time I've ever heard of x2go
[11:03] <Unit193> OK, nevermind then! :D
[11:03] <jphilips> i heard about x2go from wimpy, he was always talking about it with mate
[11:05] <Unit193> I tried that and nomachine a looong time ago but always got the default Xfce desktop (and usually corrupted Xubuntu), I decided to take a look into it again and set it up so it'd start the Xubuntu desktop.  Buuut...moot.
[12:26] <Unit193> ochosi: You mentioned keepassxc, fwiw I packaged up the latest version if you wanted it.
[12:28] <ochosi> cool
[12:28] <ochosi> yes, i wanna work in the timed copy support for keepassxc
[12:28] <ochosi> to clipman
[12:28] <ochosi> it was "almost finished" (tm)
[12:39] <Unit193> Sooo, I'm guessing it's not needed.  Anyway, screw it.  I popped up the shiny xfconf to https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/experimental/+packages
[12:40] <bluesabre> Shiny
[15:00] <jphilips> bluesabre: its time now for the meeting
[15:14] <bluesabre> If anybody wants to join us to talk docs...
[15:14] <bluesabre> https://us04web.zoom.us/j/76702554053?pwd=Y2NGMTlVMi9iaWYxUUxqR3dqZWtBQT09
[15:14] <bluesabre> Password is 5qFKzT
[23:15] <Unit193> jphilips: You asked about thunar-shares-plugin, did I respond to that?
[23:18] <jphilips> Unit193: don't think so. did you know why its not shipped by default
[23:19] <Unit193> I mean samba isn't really shipped by default either, it's not in the repos because it's just yet another thing to maintain.  It's not in Debian because there's already a lot of packages and few maintainers, with logs of bug reports to handle.  We already have a few packages more than Debian, with questionable benefit.
[23:20] <Unit193> Nobody has really pushed for it, so it's in a handy PPA and that's it.
[23:20] <Unit193> xfdashboard is another we have over Debian, but I've heard from nobody that actually uses it.  Nobody in the team does.
[23:21] <jphilips> i was thinking to suggest we ship samba by default or is there an alternative linux file sharing that is easy to configure and use
[23:21] <jphilips> xfdashboard is used in voyager, xubuntu derivative
[23:22] <Unit193> Err, no we don't really need samba.  A fair number of people don't really need it, those that do can install, and it does expose your system much more too.
[23:22] <Unit193> Voyager != Xubuntu. :P
[23:22] <Unit193> (Though good to know, I didn't know that they did.)
[23:23] <jphilips> so what is the linux way to share files across the network?
[23:23] <Unit193> Depends on the person, there's NFS and I use sshfs.
[23:24] <jphilips> are these shipped by default and is there a means to enable the sharing of folders using these mechanisms through thunar
[23:26] <jphilips> i was going through our docs looking for a means to do so, but nothing was on the internet/networks page https://docs.xubuntu.org/2004/user/C/internet-networks.html
[23:27] <Unit193> That's because nobody ever wrote anything up, there's plenty of docs already for file sharing.  I believe there's a couple different in the Ubuntu docs.  The more docs we have, the more we have to maintain.  The goal is to keep the duplication down.
[23:27] <Unit193> As, clearly, we're not great about writing docs. :D
[23:27] <Unit193> !info xubuntu-docs
[23:27] <Unit193> > 18.04
[23:28] <jphilips> well atleast we should link to the ubuntu docs from our docs
[23:28] <jphilips> well we had a docs meeting today and hopefully that will all change
[23:28] <Unit193> *hopefully* ;)
[23:30] <jphilips> well i'm committed to it and so is bluesabre, and we have till the next release to fix it, so i'm quite sure its gonna happen :D
[23:30] <jphilips> your help would also be appreciated
[23:31] <Unit193> I have the translations and some local fixes, but most of those have been sitting there for quite some time.
[23:32] <jphilips> main help for now is to identify what needs to be added, removed or fixed
[23:32] <jphilips> this is the main doc we are working from https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oGNc4nDmUkhk67-S07VKhOQ7tSWXUW6ureG8N7SVM_o/edit#
[23:33] <jphilips> so if you read a docs page, just make a brief note of your thoughts
[23:34] <jphilips> bluesabre: is looking into us possibly moving to some other infra like maybe wiki or github/gitlab
[23:34] <jphilips> sorry that shouldnt have been a ping :D
[23:39] <Unit193> Launchpad is the code hosting site for the rest of Ubuntu, it doesn't really make sense to move that. :/
[23:40] <jphilips> i suggested that we make github the main and launchpad the mirror
[23:40] <jphilips> sean will look into the various possibilities
[23:41] <Unit193> Unfortunate, but alright then.
[23:41] <Unit193> I guess I can just start pasting git format-patch into the channel if it doesn't work out :P
[23:42] <jphilips> so i guess you dont have push rights then :D
[23:44] <Unit193> On LP yeah, because I'm an xubuntu-dev member.
[23:45] <jphilips> oh, so you mean you dont use gitlab/github, now i get you ;D
[23:45] <Unit193> For the past release I didn't touch x-d-s much anyway though, mainly did the Xfce packaging.
[23:48] <jphilips> do you do work also on the debian side as well?