=== DalekSec is now known as WrathOfAchilles [15:01] hello] [15:01] o/ [15:01] o/ [15:02] teward: is going to be 5 min late [15:02] guess I'll chair again but lets wait 5min to get everyone alive [15:02] ok [15:02] unless sil2100 wants to make up for their failure to appear last meeting :p [15:02] (i'm also finishing up a work call) [15:02] i need to learn the chairing thing [15:02] *dredges up his logs from last meeting* [15:02] if I could do pair conversation in pvt with the one chairing [15:02] o/ [15:02] Sorry, release week was terrible for me! [15:02] i'd appreciate [15:03] I can chair, but if someone else wants to then I can 'skip' [15:03] sil2100: nah i covered for you last meeting and was slated to chair today - your turn today since i took your chair last meeting. [15:03] (I'm here but if you could wait another 2 or 3 min before start that'd be great) [15:04] (literally finishing remarks on a call) [15:04] alright lets wait another couple of mins [15:04] Ok, sure [15:04] rafaeldtinoco: ah, so you'd like to try chairing? [15:04] sil2100: would u help me ? [15:05] good my meeting is done :) [15:05] i can help too if you need [15:05] ok [15:05] since you poked me too [15:05] yep [15:05] sil2100: you're still primary chair on my radar :P [15:05] i'm just here to DMB meeting :P [15:05] *sips hot coffee* [15:05] ok lets start [15:05] hah, ok, rafaeldtinoco you want to try then? [15:06] #startmeeting DMB meeting [15:06] Meeting started Mon May 4 15:06:15 2020 UTC. The chair is rafaeldtinoco. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [15:06] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | be nice | DMB meeting | Current topic: [15:06] #chair rafaeldtinoco sil2100 teward [15:06] Current chairs: rafaeldtinoco sil2100 teward [15:06] #sneaky [15:06] :P [15:06] nice [15:07] (now me, sil, and you can execute the commands) [15:07] yep [15:07] so the topics now [15:07] Let's start with previous action items [15:07] yep [15:08] #topic Review of previous action items === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | be nice | DMB meeting | Current topic: Review of previous action items [15:08] tsimonq2 to better document what we expect applicants to know (carried over) [15:09] simon isn't here so lets roll that over [15:09] ok [15:09] #action tsimonq2 to better document what we expect applicants to know (carried over) [15:09] ACTION: tsimonq2 to better document what we expect applicants to know (carried over) [15:09] is that correct ? ^ [15:09] teward follow up on packageset owning team for ubuntu-mate (carried over) [15:09] carry that over [15:09] and it's duped on the agenda page - stupid copy paste - so you can go right to your request next :) [15:09] s/request/action item/ [15:10] ok [15:10] #action teward follow up on packageset owning team for ubuntu-mate (carried over) [15:10] ACTION: teward follow up on packageset owning team for ubuntu-mate (carried over) [15:10] btw. actually, do we even have quorum? [15:10] rafaeldtinoco to handle request "Adding lubuntu-update-notifier to the Lubuntu package set" (carried over) [15:10] that is done ^ [15:10] sil2100: me, you, ddstreet, rafaeldtinoco. 4/7 [15:10] DMB MEMBERS IN ATTENDANCE: reup your "I'm here" wave [15:10] o/ [15:10] o/ [15:10] Oh, right! Sorry, issed your hand ddstreet o/ [15:10] *missed [15:10] and we know rafaeldtinoco is here so that's quorum [15:11] continue :) [15:11] ok [15:11] no actions for me on this one, its done [15:11] ddstreet to write up a proposal for upload access expiry following some period of disuse (carried over) [15:11] let's drop this one [15:11] no action ? [15:11] no action and no rollover? [15:11] i still think it would be good to define some policy, but i dont think i will get to writing up a proposal anytime soon [15:11] yeah, no rollover, unless anyone else thinks it's something we should keep on the carryover list [15:12] we need an internal tracker board. [15:12] i dont see a problem [15:12] rolling it over [15:12] until you can or someone else tackle it [15:12] even if its too long [15:12] yeah, we'll just make a note to not bring it up every meeting. [15:12] that's fine with me, as long as it doesn't annoy anyone else :) [15:12] internally [15:12] won't annoy me [15:12] sounds good [15:12] ok.. let me put an action [15:12] and an obs [15:13] #action ddstreet to write up a proposal for upload access expiry following some period of disuse (will be carried until mentioned) [15:13] ACTION: ddstreet to write up a proposal for upload access expiry following some period of disuse (will be carried until mentioned) [15:13] teward to follow up with TB / packageset tooling on ubuntu-studio-uploaders being added to ubuntustudio packageset for upload rights [15:14] this is dependant of my action [15:14] teward: no ? [15:14] yep it's dependent on your action if you can add them to the packageset [15:14] but if you want to take it you can now, since you're working on the tooling and such. [15:14] ok, its mine [15:14] cool one less thing on my list xD [15:14] #action rafaeldtinoco to follow up with TB / packageset tooling on ubuntu-studio-uploaders being added to ubuntustudio packageset for upload rights (carried over) [15:14] ACTION: rafaeldtinoco to follow up with TB / packageset tooling on ubuntu-studio-uploaders being added to ubuntustudio packageset for upload rights (carried over) [15:14] ddstreet to adjust existing member expiration dates from packageset owning teams [15:15] plz carry over again [15:15] ok [15:15] i should be able to get to it this week [15:15] #action ddstreet to adjust existing member expiration dates from packageset owning teams (carried over) [15:15] ACTION: ddstreet to adjust existing member expiration dates from packageset owning teams (carried over) [15:15] i assume this one [15:15] ddstreet to apply team expiration times for studio packageset owning team [15:15] just as an aside to all: release weeks tend to take everyone's time so the DMB unfortunately doesn't get everything done we want to when a release week crops up [15:15] will be also carried over ? [15:15] in case anyone wonders why we carry stuff over :) [15:15] yep, please [15:16] #action ddstreet to apply team expiration times for studio packageset owning team (carried over) [15:16] ACTION: ddstreet to apply team expiration times for studio packageset owning team (carried over) [15:16] wow we had so many tasks [15:16] teward to handle PPU rights of tux{math,paint,type},x11vnc for alkisg ahead of edubuntu packageset removal in the future. [15:17] release week got me busy [15:17] plus security response at my FT job got hectic last week due to some major issues that came up [15:17] so i'll be doing that today [15:17] but keep it as rolled-over for next meeting [15:17] for followup [15:17] sure [15:17] no faults here, last weeks were busy =) [15:17] yep [15:17] let me roll over this [15:18] #action teward to handle PPU rights of tux{math,paint,type},x11vnc for alkisg ahead of edubuntu packageset removal in the future [15:18] ACTION: teward to handle PPU rights of tux{math,paint,type},x11vnc for alkisg ahead of edubuntu packageset removal in the future [15:18] btw, i need to rollover this [15:18] #action rafaeldtinoco to handle request "Adding lubuntu-update-notifier to the Lubuntu package set" (carried over) [15:18] ACTION: rafaeldtinoco to handle request "Adding lubuntu-update-notifier to the Lubuntu package set" (carried over) [15:18] Sure [15:18] its not done because of my next action [15:18] rafaeldtinoco to complete documentation on existing packageset tooling, and discuss the current (large) delta in the packagesets that need adjusted [15:18] i'm half way done here ^ [15:18] have read all scripts, understood all the logic [15:19] need to document and after that update all seeds based on the tools [15:19] and suggest the changes for 20.10 to discuss with you all [15:19] its will be ready by next dmb meeting [15:19] #action rafaeldtinoco to complete documentation on existing packageset tooling, and discuss the current (large) delta in the packagesets that need adjusted (rolled over) [15:19] ACTION: rafaeldtinoco to complete documentation on existing packageset tooling, and discuss the current (large) delta in the packagesets that need adjusted (rolled over) [15:19] teward to apply permissions changes for oSoMoN to mozilla packageset and send out announcement [15:20] (hey there!) [15:20] teward: ^ [15:21] E: delayed by phone call sorry [15:21] no worries [15:21] i have to check on that I may have derped and not done it oops [15:21] so roll over [15:21] (oSoMoN o/) [15:22] #action teward to apply permissions changes for oSoMoN to mozilla packageset and send out announcement (rolled over) [15:22] ACTION: teward to apply permissions changes for oSoMoN to mozilla packageset and send out announcement (rolled over) [15:22] (unrelated: seems today is a day for the Net Sec guy at work - me - to get bombarded with crap) [15:22] (stupid phone calls) [15:22] teward to handle Erich Eickmeyer permissions changes for access to Ubuntu Studio packageset and send out announcement [15:22] same, roll over [15:22] i think i gave them to the team but not the announce [15:22] ok [15:22] #action teward to handle Erich Eickmeyer permissions changes for access to Ubuntu Studio packageset and send out announcement (half-done, rolled over) [15:22] ACTION: teward to handle Erich Eickmeyer permissions changes for access to Ubuntu Studio packageset and send out announcement (half-done, rolled over) [15:23] rafaeldtinoco to reinstate Serge Hallyn's ubuntu-core-dev rights. [15:23] done ^ [15:23] alright, phew [15:23] we dont have any applicants for package sets or motu [15:23] we do have for core [15:23] kanashiro: ping [15:24] #topic Ubuntu Core Developer Applications === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | be nice | DMB meeting | Current topic: Ubuntu Core Developer Applications [15:24] #subtopic Lucas Kanashiro [15:24] #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucasKanashiro/DeveloperApplication-CoreDev [15:24] (sorry i am impatient) [15:24] teward: no, please help me [15:24] (those commands are for the meeting logs' benefits) [15:24] nice, now its introduction time ? [15:24] kanashiro: are you around? [15:25] Since Lucas is a close colleague of mine at Canonical I do my usual abstaining unless the others are unanimous and my vote is required for quorum. [15:25] rbasak: o/ === negronjl is now known as negronjl_away [15:25] +1 on what rbasak said [15:25] rbasak: awesome. (didn't realize you were alive heh) [15:25] I'm on the same team as well [15:25] Sorry I was in a meeting at the start (same as Rafael) [15:25] no problem [15:25] i was saving rbasak to talk until super needed [15:25] as he was talking in other meeting [15:25] rbasak: with you and rafaeldtinoco taking abstains though, that means we don't have quorum for LUcas' application [15:26] That's OK. I will vote +1 if everyone else does and it is required for quroum. [15:26] ack [15:26] i don't see them here though [15:26] That's been my personal policy for this kind of situation for years. [15:26] and im mimic'ing his behavior not to characterize conflict of interest [15:26] indeed. [15:27] slashd: ping ? [15:27] eric is on a sprint this week, just checking if he is up to a quick vote [15:28] I wonder if kanashiro is around though [15:28] Looks like he is [15:28] Let's give him a minute [15:28] He says he's sending messages but they aren't appearing in here [15:29] nickserv [15:29] Mode: +Ccnz [15:29] Did he identify himself with NickServ properly? [15:29] kanashiro: try leaving and re-joining the channel [15:29] we can +v them if we have to manually [15:29] i think i had to do that an eon ago for a DMB meeting to move smoothly (before I was DMB) [15:29] Well this is an interesting twist [15:30] o/ [15:30] (the second time I've had to op today - new record!) [15:30] sorry about the confusion kanashiro :) [15:30] (we can see you now) [15:30] great :) [15:30] sorry for that [15:30] nah its ok [15:31] rbasak: so how should we proceed ? [15:31] they're alive so [15:31] it appears that without you and me.. we have 3 possible votes [15:31] i called slashd [15:31] he is likely comming [15:31] lets see [15:31] rafaeldtinoco: rbasak already said they'd +1 if it's +3 for us [15:31] yeah we should just go ahead [15:31] but we can either wait for slashd or continue or roll over [15:31] o/ [15:31] i think we have enough to vote [15:31] i think we're safe to move forward [15:31] welcome slashd [15:31] now we definitely do [15:31] I'm here if you need to meet quorum [15:31] sorry sprinting this week [15:31] slashd: we will need it for this one [15:31] no problem [15:31] slashd: yey! [15:32] sure [15:32] I'm here [15:32] slashd: after this applicant you can go AWOL again :0 [15:32] (i'mma keep op to reset perms post-meeting) [15:32] kanashiro: so, present yourself now [15:32] please [15:32] I am Lucas Kanashiro (a.k.a. kanashiro) and I am a member of the Canonical Server team. I've been working on server packages (fixing bugs, merges, syncs, reviews, bug triage) and personally taking care of the Ruby stack (interpreter, apps, libraries), and I've gone through most of the processes used by the community at least once (MIR, SRU, seed changes, merge, sync, transition, CVE fix, proposed migration work, package removal). I'd like to [15:32] be more independent to do my work and help to make Ubuntu even better. [15:33] great. let's give sometime for votes to check your wiki [15:34] ack [15:34] teward: should we do something when opening for questions ? [15:34] change topic ? [15:34] rafaeldtinoco: just for voting, question period doesn't require changing things [15:34] nope [15:34] leave it be rafaeldtinoco :) [15:34] kanashiro: totally unrelated random question not related to your application but as being on the server team: any reason you don't lurk #ubuntu-server ? [15:35] just curious :) [15:35] teward: I think I had some issue with my IRC bouncer and got disconnected [15:35] ah. [15:35] :) [15:35] I'll figure this out [15:35] no problem :) [15:35] no questions from me [15:36] kanashiro are you subscribed to all bugs from any packages? [15:36] (it's not required, i'm just curious) [15:36] ddstreet: I don't think so, I am still learning how to use launchpad properly [15:37] but I should, at least for the core packages [15:37] Only thing worth mentioning from me is that I have uploaded maybe 70% of his package changes for the ruby2.7 transition. He did all the work in debian and synced it to Ubuntu PLUS solving all excuses that appeared (quote a lot). I follow this work of him for ~2 months. [15:37] kanashiro: what are the things you need to consider before uploading in developement release when it is a few weeks away from being stable (most recent example is focal which became stable lately) ? and where would you look to see it what can be done or not ? [15:39] slashd: if there is a hard freeze I'd need an approval by the release team, so I need to check if no new feature is introduces (ABI changes). To make sure about the release schedule I'd check the release team wiki page and check the dates [15:40] not sure if this is what you were expecting as an answer [15:40] kanashiro: yes thanks [15:40] kanashiro: since you have worked on bigger things as transitions, can you tell me what additional information can you get from update_output.txt that you can't from update_excuses.html? [15:41] sil2100: I have faced some uninstability issues and output.txt has helped me to identifying them [15:41] ddstreet: FWIW, our team has our own process for making sure all bug traffic gets seen, so we generally don't have individual subscriptions (bus factor). [15:42] ^ this [15:42] i can confirm this with how frequently the Server Team at canonical are triaging nginx without anything of my doing xD === negronjl_away is now known as negronjl [15:43] yep, i do know of ~ubuntu-server subscription to lots of packages, there are some members who subscribe individually to pkgs too though === negronjl is now known as negronjl_away [15:44] kanashiro: you should do it ^ for the pkgs you want to maintain. [15:44] its a nice best practice [15:44] rafaeldtinoco: yes, I need to do that [15:45] just don't do what tsimonq2 does and subscribe to all the bugs via the bugs mailing list... [15:45] ... seriously just don't xD [15:45] :) [15:46] * rafaeldtinoco leaving it opened for questions, let me know if/when you're all ok [15:46] (seriously don't i won't explain the specifics here bug me in PM if you really want to know lol) [15:46] NO questions from me :) [15:46] nothing else from me [15:46] nothing else [15:46] kanashiro: thanks o/ [15:47] No questions here [15:47] #voters ddstreet rafaeldtinoco teward rbasak slashd sil2100 [15:47] Current voters: ddstreet rafaeldtinoco rbasak sil2100 slashd teward [15:47] Nicely written up application, btw! [15:47] #votesrequired 4 [15:47] votes now need 4 to be passed [15:47] sorry ignore i'm prepping for the vote :) [15:47] i assume no q from you rbasak :) [15:48] thanks rbasak [15:48] +1 [15:48] #vote Lucas Kanashiro CoreDev Application [15:48] Please vote on: Lucas Kanashiro CoreDev Application [15:48] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) [15:48] +1 [15:48] +1 received from teward [15:48] it wasn't ready yet sil ;) [15:48] now it is [15:48] Oh, didn't register mine [15:48] +1 [15:48] +1 received from sil2100 [15:48] sil2100: because i hadn't started it yet [15:48] +1 [15:48] +1 received from ddstreet [15:48] +1 [15:48] +1 received from slashd [15:48] +1 then [15:48] +1 then received from rafaeldtinoco [15:48] well that's quorum right there, so we don't need rafaeldtinoco or rbasak but they can cast if they want [15:48] +0 as he's on my team and we are quorate. [15:48] +0 as he's on my team and we are quorate. received from rbasak [15:49] oh there we go :) [15:49] #endvote [15:49] Voting ended on: Lucas Kanashiro CoreDev Application [15:49] Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1 [15:49] Motion carried [15:49] kanashiro: congratulations on your successful coredev application :) [15:49] congrats kanashiro! [15:49] kanashiro: congratulations [15:49] kanashiro: congrats :) [15:49] congrats kanashiro :-D [15:49] thank you! [15:49] \o/ [15:49] teward: action item ? [15:49] congrats kanashiro [15:49] who wants that action item of sorting the perms and announcing it? (I have enough with my current assignemtns) [15:50] * slashd going back to the sprint ;) [15:50] rafaeldtinoco: gotta determine who wants to do it :) [15:50] kanashiro: \o/ [15:50] slashd: thx a lot [15:50] rafaeldtinoco: sure [15:50] thanks slashd :) [15:50] I' ll do the honors [15:50] kanashiro: congrats o/ [15:50] teward: add an action item for me pls [15:50] \o/ [15:50] rafaeldtinoco: are you sure? You have a lot on your plate [15:51] sil2100: you do it then [15:51] #action rafaeldtinoco to add kanashiro coredev permissions and send announcement [15:51] ACTION: rafaeldtinoco to add kanashiro coredev permissions and send announcement [15:51] #) [15:51] ok i do [15:51] lol [15:51] i can always fix that [15:51] rafaeldtinoco i can take it if you have too much [15:51] Yeah, I can take those [15:51] ill let you guys do it [15:51] IGNORE last action item [15:51] #undo is what you want [15:51] #undo [15:51] Removing item from minutes: ACTION [15:51] rbasak: thanks (E:UNDOCUMENTED) [15:51] who's taking the action, me or sil2100 ? [15:51] #action sil2100 to add kanashiro coredev permissions and send announcement [15:51] ACTION: sil2100 to add kanashiro coredev permissions and send announcement [15:52] ok :) [15:52] sil because i didn't see your claim sorry :) [15:52] np happy to let him have it :) [15:52] well that's the only application for today :) [15:52] so next... [15:52] looks like we're done [15:52] #topic Outstanding mailing list requests to assign === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | be nice | DMB meeting | Current topic: Outstanding mailing list requests to assign [15:52] I did _just_ send a request for cloud-utils to be added to ubuntu-cloud. [15:52] (No rush on that, it can wait for next meeting.) [15:53] Odd_Bloke: That'll be caught between now and next meeting :) [15:53] #subtopic Refresh the packagesets (Sebastien Bacher) [15:53] #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2020-April/001486.html [15:53] that is on me [15:53] being carried over together with the packageset scripts [15:53] #action rafaeldtinoco to handle "Refresh the packagesets" mailing list item (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2020-April/001486.html) [15:53] ACTION: rafaeldtinoco to handle "Refresh the packagesets" mailing list item (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2020-April/001486.html) [15:54] #subtopic Including yaru-theme in the in ubuntu-desktop set (Sebastien Bacher) [15:54] #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2020-April/001487.html [15:54] looks like it wasnt picked automatic because of the same reasons ? [15:54] for this (and the next one), i'm super confused about what the desktop-extras packageset is for [15:55] ddstreet: we'll mark this as 'rolled over' pending an AOB item for this [15:55] i'll roll over both items for that reason [15:55] gnome-shell needs to be added [15:55] in the exceptions list from the packageset tooling [15:55] if im reading correctly, sometimes pkgs are put in "wrong" set [15:56] and we have to make them exceptions [15:56] rafaeldtinoco: do you want an action item to handle that part? Since you're the one handling the tooling currently [15:56] i guess? i'm not sure what 'desktop-core' is intended for though, since there are no uploaders in that pkgset [15:56] gnome-shell ubuntu-desktop <- currently [15:56] yep [15:56] thnx [15:56] all the "same nature" actions [15:56] #action rafaeldtinoco to handle getting gnome-shell into ubuntu desktop exceptions list [15:56] ACTION: rafaeldtinoco to handle getting gnome-shell into ubuntu desktop exceptions list [15:56] i'll handle for the next meeting [15:56] together with the scripting [15:57] @action rafaeldtinoco to look into mailing list item "INcluding yaru-theme in the ubuntu-desktop set" (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2020-April/001487.html) [15:57] oops [15:57] #action rafaeldtinoco to look into mailing list item "INcluding yaru-theme in the ubuntu-desktop set" (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2020-April/001487.html) [15:57] ACTION: rafaeldtinoco to look into mailing list item "INcluding yaru-theme in the ubuntu-desktop set" (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2020-April/001487.html) [15:57] does this also apply to fprint? [15:57] yep [15:57] #action rafaeldtinoco to look into mailing list item "Include fprint pacakges in the ubuntu-desktop set" (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2020-April/001488.html) [15:57] ACTION: rafaeldtinoco to look into mailing list item "Include fprint pacakges in the ubuntu-desktop set" (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2020-April/001488.html) [15:58] all those issues come from the same place: adjusting the packagesets automatically and having exceptions [15:58] nice [15:58]