[00:00] <curloxide> The latest i386 version is 18.04 Bionic Beaver.
[00:00] <Bashing-om> kenperkins: 'grub-probe -t" reports where the boot code resides. As the location is different in each of the installs, suggest to me that grub reads them to boot.
[00:00] <curloxide> They're all amd64 for 20.04
[00:01] <Bashing-om> curloxide: 32 bit support has been dropped.
[00:01] <Guest_25> but 18.4 only has amd64 option
[00:02] <curloxide> Bashing-om: I've got a i386 copy of Bionic Beaver running right next to me...
[00:02] <Guest_25> do you have a link?
[00:02] <Guest_25> because i cant find it
[00:02] <curloxide> One sec...
[00:03] <Guest_25> by the way, did linux drop support  for 32 bit or just ubuntu?
[00:03] <curloxide> Ubuntu dropped i386
[00:03] <Guest_25> okay
[00:04] <curloxide> My bad, I'm running a copy of *Lubuntu* i386
[00:04] <Guest_25> ohh
[00:04] <curloxide> There's one for 16.04 though
[00:05] <Guest_25> i have an old computer that i wanna set up
[00:05] <curloxide> http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/ubuntu-16.04.6-desktop-i386.iso
[00:05] <ecbrown> i386 is weak lol
[00:05] <nightBulb> Guest_25, what's the CPU?
[00:05] <Guest_25> can u recommend me a distro?
[00:05] <Guest_25> i dont know its very old
[00:05]  * ecbrown is loving zfs
[00:05] <nightBulb> Guest_25, what's the CPU?
[00:05] <Guest_25> im setting it up for my dad
[00:05] <Guest_25> how can i see that
[00:05] <curloxide> I'd recommend Lubuntu for the much older PCs
[00:06] <Guest_25> is linux mint lighter than ubuntu??
[00:06] <nightBulb> What OS on it currently ?
[00:06] <Guest_25> it was in windows 7 but i wiped it
[00:06] <Guest_25> wasnt that fast anyway
[00:06] <nightBulb> Is there anything bootable on it ?
[00:06] <curloxide> Ah OK
[00:06] <Guest_25> so any recommendations?
[00:06] <nightBulb> Guest_25, ?
[00:06] <nightBulb> Is there any OS on it ?
[00:07] <Guest_25> umm no i said i wiped win7
[00:07] <curloxide> Lubuntu Bionic Beaver I think would be a good choice
[00:07] <curloxide> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/18.04/release/HEADER.html
[00:07] <ecbrown> ubuntu 20.04 lts on zfs is the only choice
[00:07] <ecbrown> for anything
[00:07]  * ecbrown is only half joking
[00:08] <tomreyn> Lubuntu 18.04 has less than 12 months of support left: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOL#Ubuntu_18.04_Bionic_Beaver
[00:09] <Guest_25> oh
[00:09] <Guest_25> what can i do then
[00:09] <Guest_25> for something more permanent
[00:09] <tomreyn> install 20.04 instead, if your cpu supports it
[00:09] <Guest_25> i386.
[00:10] <tomreyn> which cpu is it then?
[00:10] <nightBulb> Guest_25, How old is the PC?
[00:10] <Guest_25> i cant quite remember but it had win7
[00:10] <Guest_25> i was a little kid back when it was made
[00:10] <ecbrown> debian works well for this
[00:10] <tomreyn> "lscpu" will tell, or "cat /proc/cpuinfo"
[00:10] <Guest_25> how do i run those commands
[00:10] <Guest_25> in bios?
[00:10] <nightBulb> Core 2 duo style of cpu name ?
[00:10] <tomreyn> in a terminal
[00:10] <tomreyn> !terminal
[00:10] <Guest_25> i dont have linux
[00:11] <curloxide> tomreyn: He's not running a distro atm
[00:11] <tomreyn> oh sorry
[00:11] <nightBulb> Guest_25, Core 2 duo style of cpu name ?
[00:11] <Guest_25> where can i see the cpu name
[00:11] <nightBulb> BIOS ?
[00:11] <tomreyn> it should show on the bios
[00:11] <curloxide> It should be visible in most BIOS setup windows
[00:11] <Guest_25> ok one sec
[00:11] <tomreyn> also on the other OS you have installed now, but that's !ot here then
[00:12] <Guest_25> bios settings or loading screen?
[00:12] <curloxide> Settings
[00:12] <Guest_25> ok 1sec
[00:12] <tomreyn> usually you have an informational screen won the bios setup menu
[00:12] <tomreyn> *on
[00:12] <callipyg0us> If, in gparted, a partition is resized or moved from the beginning...does it take longer/is more 'risky' than resizing it at the end?
[00:13] <curloxide> I don't think so
[00:14] <callipyg0us> hmm, how long would it take to resize a partition? generally?
[00:14] <Guest_25> my bios is phoenix awardbios cmos setup utility, where do i find the cpu name
[00:14] <curloxide> callipyg0us: It depends on the performance of the hard drive/CPU
[00:15] <curloxide> It can range from a little bit to a really long time
[00:15] <callipyg0us> oh
[00:16] <Guest_25> does anyone have an answer?
[00:16] <nightBulb> Guest_25, What options are you looking at ?
[00:17] <tomreyn> Guest_25: this isn't really an ubuntu question, but from what i can see searching for screenshots, the cpu model actually does show on the (black) POST screen, the first screen after power on.
[00:17] <tomreyn> there is also the ##hardware channel
[00:17] <Guest_25> oh alright
[00:18] <curloxide> The original topic was actually what the latest version of Ubuntu i386 was
[00:18] <curloxide> so yeah, It technically is an Ubuntu question
[00:19] <Guest_25> intel pentium 4 cpu 2.80ghz
[00:20] <Guest_25> any recommendations?
[00:20] <curloxide> Yeah, should be able to run Lubuntu
[00:20] <tomreyn> use a heater instead
[00:20] <Guest_25> hahahaahahha
[00:20] <Guest_25> its not for me though
[00:21] <Guest_25> so if anyone can recommend me something up to date, that is gonna be supported, please do so
[00:22] <Guest_25> any distro
[00:22] <Guest_25> idc
[00:22] <tomreyn> try ##linux
[00:22] <kenperkins> Bashing-om: so good news, I deleted the uefi partition on my second device and appeared to have no impact
[00:22] <tomreyn> ubuntu won't be a good option on this.
[00:23] <Guest_25> hmm okay do i ./join there?
[00:24] <Guest_25> nvm i just did
[00:24] <Guest_25> ty
[00:30] <sammyg1321> Hey guys, does anyone know how to create desktop shortcuts for scripts? I found a few articles but they seem old for the Gnome-panel thread
[00:34] <sammyg1321> Also can someone tell me If elementary OS is the same thing as Ubuntu?
[00:34] <sammyg1321> sorry im still new to linux
[00:34] <curloxide> Internally, yes
[00:38] <sammyg1321> @curloxide so any packages i install should operate the same? steam, vmware, chrome,etc
[00:39] <curloxide> They should.
[00:39] <tomreyn> !elementary
[00:39] <tomreyn> (i.e. not here)
[00:46] <sammyg1321> Thank you all and sorry about that
[01:03] <zautomata> hello, is there a reason to suspect that eqn and pic for not working in ubuntu?
[01:04] <tomreyn> "eqn and pic"?
[01:05] <tomreyn> oh the troff tools
[01:09] <zautomata> yup
[01:11] <tomreyn> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/groff/+bugs would list bugs which are known.
[01:20] <superboot> Is this a repo? If so, how do I add it to my system? https://cran.mtu.edu/bin/linux/ubuntu/bionic-cran40/
[01:20] <superboot> Does anyone know if there is a Ubuntu Bionic (18.04) R 4.0 apt repository? I see there is (or was): https://cloud.r-project.org/bin/linux/ubuntu bionic-cran35/
[01:28] <bit00_kzcpu> Hello... How secure are systemd-nspawn containers (I dont know much about networking)
[01:29] <bit00_kzcpu> Anybody here has played around with them
[01:40] <Thete> is sound like a complete clusterF on linux atm?  can't get any of my audio stuff working on z570, bluez is also borked
[01:41] <Thete> x570
[01:43] <felco> i getting a pretty bad time using bluetooth on linux
[01:44] <Thete> same
[01:44] <felco> the worse thing is that i tested on windows and it works
[01:44] <Thete> my gsx 1000 also doesn't work right
[01:44] <Thete> I fix it in pulse, update breaks it
[01:44] <felco> i can even pair the device
[01:44] <Thete> there's been patches submitted but none of it has been pulled in
[01:44] <felco> tested two bt dongles
[01:44] <Thete> you tryin to use bt headphones?
[01:44] <felco> sometimes it pairs but loose the connection out of nowhere
[01:45] <felco> Thete yes
[01:45] <Thete> my bose qc 35's, I have to turn voice prompts on for it to work, my sony's work sometimes, sometimes they dont
[01:45] <Thete> it's bluez, it's completely borked atm
[01:45] <Thete> I was gonna try installing release version off their site next
[01:45] <felco> i thought it was the the dongle, bought a new one but it is unstable as the other
[01:47] <Thete> I'm about to go back to 19.10
[01:48] <Thete> I could at least get some stuff working in it
[03:00] <gbs-> hi, i'm new to ubuntu 20.04 server, how i can edit my ip? the file /etc/network/interfaces doesn't exist.
[03:08] <tds> gbs-: you should find it in /etc/netplan, probably /etc/netplan/50-cloud-init.yaml
[03:11] <gbs-> tds, while installing ubuntu20-server i registered 3 dns for ipv4 and 2 for ipv6. on the file inside /etc/netplan i can only see the ipv6 dns
[03:12] <gbs-> this file inside netplan is the best place to put all of them?
[03:15] <gbs-> and after updating netplan file how i can restart networking configuration without rebooting?
[03:19] <tds> gbs-: as in you already set up 3 dns servers and now some of them are missing from the config?
[03:19] <tds> and you can run `netplan apply` to apply your changes
[03:20] <gbs-> tds: thanks! anyway i can set fallback dns using netplan?
[03:22] <tds> gbs-: that's a bit complicated and depends on what you consider fallback
[03:22] <tds> the tldr is that you can specify multiple servers, but shouldn't make assumptions about which one queries will end up at
[03:22] <gbs-> tds: fallback dns as in systemd-resolve
[03:23] <tds> i don't think you can set fallback through netplan, you'd need to put it directly in the resolved config afaik
[03:24] <gbs-> ok, thank you
[03:26] <tds> gbs-: fwiw, I don't think resolved will ever use the fallback nameservers if you have ones specified in your netplan config
[03:28] <gbs-> =)
[03:29] <viktor> Hi, i'm running Kubuntu 18.04. Since i connected an ext moni to my laptop my wallpapers & Panel are disappearing al the time on boot. Wallpapers also sometimes when switching activities. Anyone got any advice?
[03:43] <aaron_m> I just did burned a fresh image of 20,04 using the Rasberry Pi Flashing tool. Everything boots fine, except the guide says the initial login is ubuntu:ubuntu ... however those credentials aren't working. Am I missing something?
[04:28] <fonos> dfdaf
[04:31] <fonos> I upgraded from 18.04 LTS to 20.04 LTS. Upon upgrading I was unable to connect to my Ubuntu server. enp3s0 was not loading automatically upon reboot. When I forced it with ifconfig enp3s0 up, I was able to connect, however the connection died shortly after (about 20s). Can still reconnect but ssh won't stay connected. I also only have ipv6, server is not retrieving an ipv4 address over DHCP.
[04:33] <fonos> I had some changes I made to the network configuration to trap an application through a VPN. Did something significant change in networking configuration from 18.04 to 20.04?
[04:43] <viktor_> did someone send me a msg? i got a notification. but my irc is in an activity i can't open...
[04:59] <lotuspsychje> fonos: is this a production server or a test server you upgraded?
[04:59] <fonos> home server
[05:01] <lotuspsychje> fonos: we strongly advice to LTS upgrade when first point release comes out
[05:01] <fonos> lotuspsychje: worst case scenario I just image over
[05:02] <lotuspsychje> fonos: join #ubuntu-server if you like, and checkout the 20.04 releasenotes to see what changed since 18.04
[05:02] <fonos> thanks
[05:47] <FirstFoundation> Evening everyone, hope you are all well
[05:48] <FirstFoundation> Would anyone be able to help demystify secureboot for me?
[05:49] <FirstFoundation> I dont understand how grub.cfg can be made secure
[05:56] <Thete> nah
[06:09] <tarelerulz> BCM20702A1-0a5c-21e8.hcd ,  that firmware does not work Plugable USB Bluetooth Adapter. It turns it on but nothing pairs and works , not the phone nor ps4 controller.
[06:42] <famubu> I've got a 4GB machine which I recently upgraded from 16.04 to 18.04. While on 16.04, it was exceptionally fast. I can't remember it hanging. But with 18.04, it hangs all the time. Isn't 4GB not enough for a default installation of Ubuntu 18.04?
[06:45] <diamondbond> famubu, use a lightweight desktop environment like xfce or a window manager like openbox
[06:46] <famubu> diamondbond: So gnome needs a bit more?
[06:47] <FirstFoundation> whats your typical workload?
[06:47] <diamondbond> pretty much yeah, although gnome 3.36 (present in ubuntu 20.04) is supposedly more responsive and lightweight on older hardware
[06:49] <famubu> FirstFoundation: Mainly for browsing. On 16.04, I could open 20 tabs on firefox and still run without even a lag. On 18.04, I open 4 tabs (Google usually) and try extracting a zip file with the default archive manager and it's stuck till the extraction is done.
[06:49] <FirstFoundation> Have you tried using the `free` command to see if you're dipping into swap?
[06:50] <famubu> diamondbond: What about an (older?) DE like metacity or flashback? Not sure if tha
[06:50] <famubu> t's their proper names.
[06:51] <bt40> Can i install ubuntu 16 packages in ubuntu18?
[06:51] <ThinkT510> bt40: no
[06:51] <bt40> The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/phablet-team/tools/ubuntu bionic Release' does not have a Release file.
[06:51] <bt40> can you please suggest fix
[06:51] <bt40> ThinkT510, thanks
[06:51] <diamondbond> famubu, that sounds like disk bottleneck issues, and ofcourse you can use a wm like metacity
[06:51] <famubu> FirstFoundation: I could see htop output. Sometimes, yeah, swap filled up. But most of the time swap usage would be low but RAM would be almost full.
[06:52] <famubu> diamondbond: Would more swap space help?
[06:52] <FirstFoundation> nah, basically once you hit swap its game over
[06:52] <diamondbond> famubu, not really
[06:52] <FirstFoundation> So slow compared to RAM that you're gonna hang
[06:52] <diamondbond> exactly ^
[06:53] <diamondbond> consider modifying your sysctl.conf
[06:53] <FirstFoundation> diamondbond: What would he modify in there?
[06:54] <lll7> hello! could you please help me to realize how to install dep package with dpkg without snap? thank you
[06:54] <pgfeller> Hi all, I've a Cherrytail device with an chtrt5645 audio adapter. If I try to play sound I only get a crackling noise. Any Idea if this is a bug, or just a wrong configuration? What should I try to solve this?
[06:54] <diamondbond> FirstFoundation, https://i.imgur.com/MBAlGRS.png i personally use this
[06:55] <diamondbond> pgfeller, have you tried restarting pulseaudio ? (pulseaudio -k)
[06:55] <pgfeller> FirstFoundation: No (it is  my first linux machine) - will try it tight now.
[06:56] <famubu> FirstFoundation: So is this a hardware issue?
[06:56] <FirstFoundation> diamondbond, This is new to me... quick rundown on what that does?
[06:56] <famubu> diamondbond: FirstFoundation: Yeah, for me too.
[06:56] <diamondbond> famubu, mostly yes, however; with the right selection of software and using linux in a way that isnt overly resource heavy you can get away with your daily routines on suboptimal hardware
[06:57] <FirstFoundation> ^
[06:57] <diamondbond> vm.swappiness tells the kernel to only swap when absolutely necessary
[06:57] <famubu> diamondbond: That's a relief.
[06:57] <diamondbond> the other 3 commands im honestly not fully sure of, but they control the kernel's memory management to some extent
[06:57] <diamondbond> it helps when youre aggressively writing to disk
[06:57] <diamondbond> it makes sure other applications don't get locked up whilst doing that
[06:58] <diamondbond> i've been using these values with 8gb ram for over 4 years now and i havn't had any issues, makes my computing even stabler tbh
[06:58] <pgfeller> FirstFoundation: Restarting pulseaudio helped - now it works; do I need to add this re-start command to a startup skript? If so - where do I find such a script?
[06:58] <diamondbond> pgfeller, not necessarily, only run this when the audio is crackly
[06:59] <diamondbond> i bind it to ctrl + alt + p so whenever my audio is fucked up i just hit that and pulse restarts within a second and its all good
[07:01] <pgfeller> diamondbond, FirstFoundation: Thank you both for the answers :-), that helped a lot.
[07:01] <diamondbond> glad to help pgfeller :)
[07:01] <FirstFoundation> I did nothing :)
[07:16] <linuxr> Hi all, so I successfully installed ubuntu 20.04 on my raspberry pi 4 (64 bit), but I can't get either bluetooth nor 3.5mm audio out to work...help, anyone?
[07:19] <linuxr> oh well, that's actually not true..I just see that bluetooth is working fine..must have been the last reboot
[07:21] <danieleD> hi all
[07:21] <danieleD> I'm tryng to update ubuntu to 20.04. Now it's stuck with message "docker.service is a disabled or a static unit, not starting it.
[07:22] <danieleD> What can I do?
[07:25] <ocean> bt40: that's a very old ppa (last update 220 weeks ago). I don't use touch devices with Ubuntu though, and I don't know your use case, but there's an #ubports channel
[07:25] <danieleD> ok thanks
[07:26] <danieleD> ops.
[07:26] <danieleD> misunderstanding :D
[07:26] <diamondbond> does anyone here know why ttf-mscorefonts-installer is so horribly broken? none of the mirrors work in the installer, it connects to these sourcefourge addresses and just hangs ;-;
[07:27] <bt40> ocean, ubports is irresponsive. Seems dead project. 3 days wandered over there for multiple hours each day. No response.
[07:27] <bt40> thanks anyways
[07:30] <ThinkT510> bt40: some channels can take a long time to respond. I can tell you that ubports is alive and kicking, they'll be releasing OTA-12 very soon. Can't say how active the irc channel is though.
[07:49] <diamondbond> excellmedia's sourceforge is down ;-;
[07:49] <diamondbond> are there any mirrors to mscorefonts?
[07:51] <matsaman> diamondbond: http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/
[07:52] <donalsd> Hi, so my hard drive just crashed which housed the bootloader and the 128MB EFI partition, whereas my actual Ubuntu installation resides on the SSD. Now when I boot I get the message that there's no bootable disk available. Could someone guide me through how I can install the bootloader on the SSD without affecting the previous Ubuntu installation?
[07:52] <donalsd> I am currently booted on my Ubuntu LiveCD.
[07:52] <diamondbond> thanks matsaman
[07:52] <matsaman> https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/all/ttf-mscorefonts-installer/download
[07:52] <sameee> hello, anyone good with gphoto2 virtual webcam wizardry about?
[07:53] <matsaman> donalsd: which is the previous?
[07:53] <matsaman> sameee: to accomplish what?
[07:53] <donalsd> matsaman: SSD houses an Ubuntu 18.04 and an Arch Linux installation. I need to install the bootloader on the SSD without affecting them.
[07:54] <donalsd> I am on a Ubuntu 18.04 live boot right now.
[07:54] <sameee> matsaman to use a DSLR as a webcamera
[07:55] <matsaman> donalsd: you want to load an OS on disk 'foo' from a boot loader on disk 'bar' without affecting the OSes on disk 'bar'?
[07:55] <matsaman> sameee: think I'd start with v4l2 & mplayer
[07:56] <sameee> Yeah so what i've done so far is followed this
[07:56] <sameee> https://askubuntu.com/questions/856460/using-a-digital-camera-canon-as-webcam
[07:56] <sameee> but it doesn't work quite as it says on the tin
[07:57] <matsaman> sameee: the way this uses ffmpeg makes me think gphoto2 is 100% not required
[07:57] <donalsd> matsaman: I want to load an OS on disk 'foo' from a bootloader on disk 'foo' without affecting the OSes on disk 'foo'. The disk 'bar' has failed which previously housed the bootloader.
[07:58] <matsaman> donalsd: oh okay
[07:58] <donalsd> matsaman: 'foo' currently doesn't have a bootloader, so I figured I just need to install it there and turn it into a bootable disk.
[07:58] <matsaman> donalsd: well if you can boot in non-UEFI mode, you might be able to install GRUB otherwise normally and it'll all just work
[07:58] <matsaman> donalsd: if you need to add an EFI system partition, you'll have to move partitions and possibly resize some
[08:00] <donalsd> Right, I am currently booted into UEFI mode in my LiveCD and I'd prefer staying on UEFI mode throughout.
[08:00] <matsaman> sameee: if you just want to capture video from your camera, you should only need ffmpeg and plain v4l2; if you need the OS to see your camera as a regular webcam (so it can be used as such via your web browser, etc.), you probably need the v4l2loopback stuff
[08:00] <matsaman> sameee: don't think you need gphoto2 at all
[08:00] <toxmi> How can I install ubuntu 20.04 within already log in old ubuntu version let say 14.04
[08:00] <donalsd> matsaman: Could you guide me through exactly what I need to do? I know that I need to create an EFI partition of 128 megs on the disk, what's next?
[08:01] <matsaman> why, UEFI is more work
[08:02] <donalsd> matsaman, erm I am not sure if I am clear about this, but I installed the OSes in UEFI mode. I don't know if that affects the process in any way.
[08:03] <matsaman> donalsd: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI#Creating_an_EFI_System_Partition https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI#Converting_Ubuntu_into_UEFI_or_Legacy_mode
[08:04] <donalsd> So I will create the EFI partition first and let you know.
[08:05] <matsaman> donalsd: the other disk, it doesn't power/spin up anymore?
[08:06] <donalsd> matsaman: Doesn't seem like it's doing much although I can see a /dev/sda still there. But I guess it's corrupted at this point.
[08:07] <matsaman> donalsd: you can't, for example, mount the ESP and read it?
[08:08] <donalsd> matsaman, nope, the laptop would have booted otherwise. I don't see any partition information.
[08:08] <matsaman> weird
[08:08] <matsaman> you were using it and something happened, or what?
[08:08] <donalsd> The EFI partition at /dev/sda2 says it's 2.3M, so I guess it's pretty much screwed.
[08:09] <donalsd> matsaman, it's a 7 year old laptop, I guess it was inevitable for the HDD to fail.
[08:10] <matsaman> that does sound odd, but it's not impossible it was always that size
[08:10] <matsaman> unless you clearly remember it not being that size
[08:11] <donalsd> Wait hang on, if I boot into a live CD, is /dev/sda the partition of the live cd or the actual /dev/sda on the laptop?
[08:12] <matsaman> usually the actual internal drive
[08:12] <matsaman> 'mount' should make it plain
[08:12] <matsaman> and obviously if you look at the devices they will be expected sizes
[08:12] <donalsd> matsaman Because I see just 3.8 GB, and that's the size of the flash drive. I don't see the HDD at all.
[08:13] <matsaman> okay, so maybe it's not spinning up at all
[08:13] <donalsd> Dump: https://controlc.com/4cf6776f
[08:14] <matsaman> well sdb says it has an efi partition, no?
[08:15] <matsaman> so you might only need to grub-install, or to switch the drive order from your bios or physically, so sdb becomes sda
[08:15] <donalsd> That's weird, I never noticed that. I prolly created that and forgot about it. matsaman
[08:15]  * matsaman shrugs
[08:16] <matsaman> I should split, other folk can help, and in #linux
[08:16] <donalsd> Alright, umm so here's the part that I need to work on. How do I install grub onto it? Need help there.
[08:16] <donalsd> Alright, thanks :)
[08:22] <tarelerulz> Is there a guide for making Ubuntu run all in ram?
[08:26] <diamondbond> tarelerulz, zram
[08:27] <tarelerulz> diamondbond , thanks
[08:53] <Not_White_Rabbit> I want python2 pyqt4 on 20.04.  Can't find it with pip
[08:53] <Not_White_Rabbit> I'm thinking of adding eoan and installing python-qt4. Does it make sense?
[09:27] <toxmi> I want to setup a simple personal server, capable of ssh, syncing, etc. No web server or something. I might use a gitolite server at most.
[09:27] <toxmi> I'm basiclly newbie, is using just default ubuntu lts reliable?
[09:27] <toxmi> security wise? Ofcourse I'm not talking about high level security
[09:28] <toxmi> What if I chose for example linux-hardened kernel instead of lts. Does it have any easy benefit without limiting basic stuff?
[09:38] <vlt> toxmi: The default Ubuntu LTS should be absolutely fine.
[09:39] <toxmi> vlt, isn't there anything that I should be wary of? like firewall or something bcz basically I leave that server for a long time and it's always on
[09:40] <vlt> toxmi: What are you afraid of that a firewall could prevent?
[09:41] <toxmi> vlt, someone could access the information stored on the drive
[09:41] <vlt> toxmi: How?
[09:41] <toxmi> I'm no expert that is why I'm afraid of the dark :)
[09:42] <vlt> toxmi: If you’re afraid of someone brute-forcing a password guessing attack to your account I’d recommend to diable password login and use key-only as step one.
[09:43] <vlt> toxmi: That should be basically it.
[09:43] <toxmi> @vlt, that's intersting but what about ssh then? a keyserver?
[09:43] <toxmi> I actually don't what that level of security, it's a normal computer in a normal scenario
[09:43] <vlt> toxmi: I’m talking *only* about ssh.
[09:44] <vlt> toxmi: That level of security is my default :D
[09:44] <toxmi> :-D
[09:44] <toxmi> me too
[09:45] <toxmi> even worse than that. But since I leave it in a building 24/7...I thought this is another situation and need another acomodation
[09:46] <vlt> toxmi: As I saif before you have to describe the kind of attacks you’re afraid of. Why is the building relevant here?
[09:46] <vlt> *said
[09:46] <toxmi> Nothing, it's just I don't have access to and it's possible for others to access
[09:46] <irreleph4nt> Hi. I am trying to boot 20.04 via iPXE. The setup I have in place works flawlessly for 19.10 but 20.04 fails with "Unable to find a live file system on the network"
[09:46] <vlt> toxmi: If it’s possible for others to physically access, you’re screwed anyways.
[09:47] <toxmi> @vlt, the only attack I'm aware of is bypassing ssh, cracking it, local attack and leaks...nothing more
[09:47] <toxmi> I'm no expert
[09:47] <irreleph4nt> My setup for the two is 100% identical. I have the kernel/initrd extracted so tftp can serve it and the live iso is extracted to an NFS share
[09:47] <toxmi> vlt, yes it's a public room, not completely public but at least 10s have access to
[09:48] <irreleph4nt> When trying to boot 20.04, the nfsmount command presented (and failing) actually works when used manually in ash shell. But even after mounting manually, the error message given above simply is repeated
[09:48] <toxmi> I can make it robust against those by encryption (offline) but at online case, I don't know what they can do
[09:48] <vlt> toxmi: Ok, then at least use FDE and a way to load the key remotely.
[09:48] <irreleph4nt> I found a bug report against 20.04 in IBM z systems that had the same issue 2 months ago: https://bugs.launchpad.net/subiquity/+bug/1866775
[09:49] <toxmi> vlt, wow good idea
[09:49] <toxmi> What if I encrypt in on the FDE
[09:49] <toxmi> file based
[09:49] <vlt> toxmi: Can you rephrase that question, please?
[09:50] <toxmi> I mean instead of remote key, I might be able to put the key inside the PDE itself and to access it manual passphrase should be given
[09:51] <vlt> toxmi: I was thinking about a remote reboot.
[09:51] <Deano59> can anyone recommend a budget keyboard and mouse that'll work with ubuntu? no logitech, please.
[09:51] <toxmi> vlt, is it possible? that would be more awesome
[09:51] <toxmi> Deano59: what's bad about logitech? OK, then RAPOO
[09:52] <vlt> toxmi: Yes. The how depends on the amount of tinkering you expect to be propable.
[09:52] <toxmi> tinkering on my side?
[09:53] <toxmi> I'm no expert and don't want to put lots of time learning something no my profession
[09:53] <vlt> toxmi: You either just leave a bare minimum kernel and initrd.img unencrypted on a boot partition and encrypt the whole rest. Then you have to pu a tiny ssh server like dropbear, for example, into the initrd.
[09:53] <toxmi> vlt, aha, it gets intersting but a bit expert level
[09:53] <diamondbond> toxmi, never thought id see someone recommend a rapoo lol, i have a rapoo keyboard and its excellent for its price.
[09:54] <toxmi> I kind of guess the whole picture
[09:54] <vlt> toxmi: Or you say it’s enough to encrypt a "data" file system and leave the whole root system basically unencrypted. Then you can simply reboot, ssh in and unencrypt the data needed for your services.
[09:54] <toxmi> diamondbond, yes and it might not be top...but it just work flawlessly
[09:55] <diamondbond> i've never had a single issue with mine, it is my first mechanical keyboard though so i can't really comment on how it is compared to other ones, but i love it a lot.
[09:57] <toxmi> @vlt that is good. would you please recommend something about file based encryption? The FDE is good against offline access but not when server is turned on. So for that scenario, a folder based key might be good. I type the key and that important folder will comes up.
[09:57] <vlt> toxmi: LUKS via cryptsetup
[09:57] <toxmi> diamondbond, I've also worked with logitech, I had some latency issue on linux with it but with much cheaper RAPOO? Never.
[09:58] <toxmi> vlt, ha, so I'll go that way
[09:58] <toxmi> vlt, thanks a lot you were a great help. It gets much clear for me
[09:58] <diamondbond> toxmi, yup! i've never had issues with logitech either though, my g603 wireless mouse works flawlessly as well :)
[09:58] <vlt> toxmi: You’re welcome.
[09:58] <diamondbond> linux hardware support is amazing these days.
[09:59] <toxmi> except the GPU
[09:59] <sumagna> hello
[09:59] <sumagna> i upgraded my ubuntu to 20.04 when it got out
[10:00] <sumagna> i read on a blog post that it will show OEM logo for laptops(and computers)
[10:01] <sumagna> i have a hp laptop but it doesnt show any logo when starting into ubuntu
[10:01] <sumagna> i have dual boot
[10:01] <sumagna> yesterday i was going to clean up a liveUSB containing ubuntu 20.04 but accidentally started it
[10:02] <sumagna> it showed the OEM logo for HP
[10:02] <sumagna> why doesnt it show the same when upgraded?
[10:02] <sumagna> how do i make ubuntu show it on this laptop?
[10:04] <sumagna> any help is appreciated and thanks in advance
[10:05] <irreleph4nt> I can confirm the netboot kernel and initrd work BTW. So my problem must be due to an issue with the current iso
[10:06] <bt40> swap is not detected. How to correct this? I have allocated partition for it.
[10:06] <bt40> Plz guide
[10:07] <bt40> Need it urgently for some memory intensive app
[10:07] <ThinkT510> !swap | bt40
[10:09] <bt40> yes i want to fix this. I got cannot allocate memory error in some process. Maybe this hopefully fix this if process allows
[10:11] <sumagna> anything about OEM logo not showing up on boot?(20.04)
[10:11] <oerheks> bt40, how do you tell swap is not detected? and what 'allocate memory error in some process' ??
[10:12] <bt40> Blank output for this commmand:          sudo swapon --show
[10:12] <bt40> also in disks, it shows swap not active
[10:13] <bt40> i was porting webOS. In that, i got error cannot allocate memory. I have limited ram 4gb. So i thought this could bethe problem. will give it try
[10:13] <bt40> I have the partition, but it is not actively used ass swap
[10:14] <oerheks> webos?
[10:14] <bt40> yes. for smartphone. Halium
[10:15] <bt40> fatal: fork: Cannot allocate memory
[10:17] <EriC^^> bt40: what does "free -h" show
[10:17] <shaikh> bt40: what does "cat  /proc/swaps" show??
[10:18] <bt40> Mem:           3.8G        1.9G        588M        298M        1.3G        1.3G
[10:18] <bt40> Swap:            0B          0B          0B
[10:18] <EriC^^> 588mb free, how much are you trying to allocate>
[10:19] <bt40> EriC^^, i am building/compiling OS. It shoulf failrly consume all. Right now is after aborting that process. So actual consumption at that time would be high
[10:20] <bt40> Enabling swap is the mail goal
[10:20] <bt40> i have 16gb partition
[10:20] <EriC^^> bt40: ok did you mkswap it?
[10:20] <shaikh> looks like no swapfile
[10:21] <bt40> EriC^^, please guide. I created using prior installation of os. During live cd. File system as swap. Maybe ii forgot to mount it as swap
[10:22] <EriC^^> bt40: can you run 'sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999' and paste the link here?
[10:22] <bt40> https://termbin.com/q3tp
[10:23] <oerheks> how is building webos related to ubuntu support?
[10:24] <bt40> oerheks, i have sought help related to swap. Not webos
[10:24] <bt40> read the question
[10:26] <EriC^^> bt40: it's actually ubuntu-only support here, but sometimes if there's not too much support going on we can help with other os
[10:26] <EriC^^> bt40: anyways, did you add the entry to fstab for the swap?
[10:27] <EriC^^> type "(sudo blkid /dev/sda5; cat /etc/fstab) | nc termbin.com 9999"
[10:29] <bt40> https://termbin.com/hr1n
[10:30] <EriC^^> bt40: type 'sudo nano /etc/fstab'
[10:30] <EriC^^> change the last line uuid from 53fb26cf-c9f9-4073-a9aa-8b23ba61592d to 03965179-772f-4e5e-a18e-9b6d692e0151
[10:31] <EriC^^> bt40: then save & exit and type "sudo swapon -a"
[10:33] <bt40> EriC^^, Thank you. That worked.     Really appreciated your help.
[10:34] <EriC^^> bt40: great, no problem
[10:39] <sumagna> how to show the OEM logo in ubuntu 20.04
[10:39] <sumagna> it should be enabled by default, i know
[10:40] <sumagna> but my laptop doesnt show the OEM logo after upgrade(it didnt show it before the upgrade)
[10:42] <sumagna> btw i have ubuntu installed in bios
[10:53] <guiverc> sumagna, I don't know, but I'm of the opinion that the OEM logo (smooth boot & plymouth) only works for UEFI boxes/setups
[10:53] <sumagna> ok then
[10:54] <sumagna> i have bios
[10:57]  * guiverc based that on lubuntu testing & box branding appearing during boots a numbr of times during boot on uefi, but not on bios boxes.. it was resolved for other flavors but not Lubuntu (who didn't amend their plymouth to avoid issue)
[11:06] <leeyaa> hi
[11:06] <luna_> hi
[11:06] <irreleph4nt> Is anyone having any luck booting 20.04 into live mode via iPXE? My config, that for 19.10 works flawlessly, fails during boot with "Unable to find a live file system on the network"
[11:06] <leeyaa> i am trying to upgrade my systems non interactively. ive tried "do-release-upgrade -d -f DistUpgradeViewNonInteractive" but it still asks for user input.
[11:06] <leeyaa> any idea what i might be missing>
[11:07] <leeyaa> this breaks automation
[11:08] <guiverc> leeyaa, 20.04 defaults to squashfs check (integrity check) where as prior releases did not;; not sure if that's your issue but ..
[11:08] <leeyaa> guiverc i dont think thats it. i had same problem with upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04
[11:08] <guiverc> sorry that was for irreleph4nt, apologies (I got confused)
[11:08] <leeyaa> i ended up upgrading manually, but this time i have like 900 machines
[11:08] <leeyaa> ah i see ;p
[11:09] <guiverc> leeyaa, sorry, irreleph4nt please see my last
[11:10] <irreleph4nt> guiverc, is there a cmdline option I can use to either disable that check or is there documentation somweher helping people understand what's needed to make PXE booting work correctly?
[11:12] <guiverc> irreleph4nt, sorry I'm not familiar with any, the issue was discussed on https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/defaulting-to-verify-the-image-integrity-before-installing-on-desktop/13472/30 which you could search for PXE , or ask a question there maybe
[11:12]  * guiverc clarifies, issues discussed meaning adding check media for defects automatically, not PXE booting
[11:12] <tomreyn> leeyaa: have you considered bootstrapping systemd from scratch instead of automating release upgrades (i'm not sure this ever was meant to be possible, most likely not supported by anyone)?
[11:13] <tomreyn> *systemS, not systemd
[11:13] <guiverc> irreleph4nt, also note I DO NOT know if that's your issue, it just occurs to me as a likely cause..
[11:14] <leeyaa> tomreyn i have and in fact we could possible do that, because we are using docker for almost everything. however this will involve a lot of work. we are slowly migrating to k8s where this whole upgrade issue will go away.
[11:14] <leeyaa> for now i am just looking for a way to upgrade existing systems silently
[11:15] <tomreyn> i don't have experience with this, would just expect it to break and not be easy to debug.
[11:17] <leeyaa> basically my question is how to make apt not ask for any user input and just assume default
[11:27] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[11:28] <marcoagpinto> BluesKaj: Hello
[11:28] <marcoagpinto> >:)
[11:28] <BluesKaj> hi marcoagpinto
[11:29] <luna_> hey
[11:31] <tomreyn> leeyaa: for dpkg that's "export DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive" - but i would assume "-f DistUpgradeViewNonInteractive" (to do-release-upgrade) already does this.
[11:32] <leeyaa> yep
[11:32] <tomreyn> leeyaa: does it get stuck at an *apt* (rather than dpkg) prompt?
[11:32] <irreleph4nt> guiverc, thank you! I'll review what you have suggested and report back
[11:33] <leeyaa> tomreyn usually it gets stuck on questions for config updates
[11:33] <tomreyn> that's dpkg then
[11:33] <leeyaa> maybe something is not respecting DEBIAN_FRONTEND
[11:34] <leeyaa> i found a post on stackoverflow with some script that i modified for ubuntu and so far it works on two test vms. thats the unmodified script https://bpaste.net/LEPQ
[11:34] <leeyaa> see Tom Klino's post
[11:35] <leeyaa> if it works, ill just convert it to ansible and try that
[11:36] <leeyaa> btw why is lxd installed during upgrades? im confused. i dont need lxd :)
[11:38] <tomreyn> not sure what you're upgrading to what. maybe snapd gets introduced during that upgrade, and thinks it should bring you lxd
[11:38] <leeyaa> 18.04 to 20.04
[11:40] <tomreyn> 18.04 already had snapd, but maybe not for upgrades, or maybe with different default. i'm just guessing.
[11:40] <leeyaa> yeah looks like a dependancy thing
[11:41] <leeyaa> anyway, script seems to work when testing. ill go adapt it to ansible see how it goes.
[12:36] <Gwalenn> hello, after update clean install of Ubunu 20, gnome ask me the password (normally not) and with the right password i can't open session
[12:38] <erkle> google change linux pw ubuntu
[12:41] <erkle> also number lock may be off after a reboot
[12:42] <erkle> use numbers above letters to be certain
[12:43] <erkle> Gwalenn, also this happened to me a couple time i ran out of space on my drive if your un sure boot live cd and df from terminal to check free space
[12:49] <erkle> how about this if you have checked your drives free space and it has plenty free
[12:49] <erkle> https://www.maketecheasier.com/fix-ubuntu-login-loop/
[12:49] <LaaZa> Hi, I have Ubuntu server 18.04, but this issue has happened in prior versions too. Sometimes apt when updating a new kernel will add old kernel inird.imgs that are not even installed.
[13:09] <Gwalenn> erkle: not sure is that. I run with perfectly with the earlier kernel and my home is occupied @ 11% and my / 24 vs 35 go
[13:20] <tomreyn> LaaZa: this doesn't usually happen, unless there are still kernel related packages for these kernel versions that are 'added' (i think you're referring to their initrd's being updated) installed, or if you placed kernels and / or initrd images in /boot by other means, such as manually.
[13:20] <tomreyn> dpkg -S /path/to/somefile     tells you which package a given file belongs to.
[13:21] <tomreyn> this only works for packages which are currently installed. and it won't work for files which were generated during package installation (i.e. didn't come along with the package archive)
[13:22] <LaaZa> dpkg does not recognise them as being installed, they are not manually placed either. Apt creates them when installing linux-firmware package.
[13:23] <LaaZa> some are even from the older 4.4 series.
[13:36] <tomreyn> LaaZa: can you provide some examples of such file paths?
[13:39] <LaaZa> do you mean /boot/initrd.img-4.4.0-45-generic   for example?
[13:41] <LaaZa> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-4.4.0-131-generic       apt is saying and then complains about related files missing, at this time corresponding initrd file is created in /boot
[13:41] <tomreyn> LaaZa: right. so you're saying this /boot/initrd.img-4.4.0-45-generic initrd image should not be present, and dpkg -l '*4.4.0-45*' lists nothing?
[13:42] <LaaZa> exactly
[13:43] <LaaZa> ultimately the upgrade fails because my small boot partition runs out of space when it's adding those old imgs
[13:43] <tomreyn> LaaZa: 4.4.0 would be a leftover from an earlier ubuntu release. how did you do the release upgrade to 18.04, and did it succeed without errors?
[13:44] <tomreyn> fatal errors, that is
[13:45] <LaaZa> honestly can't remeber how it went, but yes I did upgrade, I have upgraded since 12.04 I think.
[13:45] <irreleph4nt> Hey all. I am having trouble booting 2004 via iPXE. When using the kernel and initrd from the iso, I can't boot with "Unable to find a live file system on the network".
[13:46] <irreleph4nt> I have confirmed now that using the kernel and initrd for 1910 instead boots the machine just fine (with the 2004 iso squashfs)
[13:46] <irreleph4nt> So there must be something wrong with the initrd 2004 ships with right now
[13:48] <tomreyn> LaaZa: it should be safe to just manually delete those old initrds.
[13:48] <tomreyn> and they wont come back once that's done.
[13:48] <kenperkins> man I can't stand snap and all the volumes
[13:48] <LaaZa> yes, and I have done that but they will just be created again.
[13:50] <tomreyn> LaaZa: hmm, this must be due to a manual configuration you once made on this system, but i can't say which exactly. do you still haver those kernel version directories in /usr/src/ ?
[13:50] <oerheks> kenperkins, time to hop distro then
[13:51] <kenperkins> @oerheks  I know; I'm looking at pop, but maybe I can deal with it
[13:51] <kenperkins> 20.04 is even heavier into snaps right?
[13:51] <ecbrown> zfs is sweet reason to use 20.04
[13:51] <giaco> do you know a software capable of showing me a grid of rtsp streams? Trying to build a homemade security camera system
[13:51] <LaaZa> not for those versions but there seems to be 2 of even older 4.3 kernels, but those don't seem to cause that issue.
[13:52] <nss> pop is a great distro, i'm trying in a vm, maybe wil be my new os
[13:52] <tomreyn> LaaZa: what about /lib/modules/ ?
[13:52] <lotuspsychje> giaco: zoneminder is a nice cam app
[13:53] <LaaZa> same thing, apt infact specifically complains about them missing.
[13:54] <tomreyn> LaaZa: if you'Re still interested in imrpoving upon the situation, please post the full command and the full output it generated, which contains these 'complaints'.
[13:55] <giaco> lotuspsychje: thanks
[13:56] <LaaZa> tomreyn: https://pastebin.com/mNvnbM4r
[13:58] <oerheks> missing modules: linux-modules-4.4.0-131-generic
[13:58] <makara_> how do I get snaps to update after 5pm?
[13:59] <oerheks> makara_, see https://snapcraft.io/docs/keeping-snaps-up-to-date
[13:59] <cyberbob> I need to record some videos (Screen recording) using ubuntu, those videos will be used for our youtube channel or may be website. Is there any good tool to get this done i.e recording video in a high resolution (screen recording with audio) ?
[13:59] <lotuspsychje> cyberbob: recordmydesktop and kazam
[14:00] <sveinse> Heh, I just installed Ubuntu on a laptop in a recording studio and for some reason it creates a large pop when gnome shell is started. In the studio the speakers were fairly loud, with large subs. I almost jumped out of my own skin! man!
[14:00] <ferz> Hi
[14:00] <tomreyn> LaaZa: i think    gzip: stdout: No space left on device    indicates the root cause.
[14:00] <lotuspsychje> welcome ferz
[14:01] <ferz> which is the package to install deb command?  I need to install something from apt.postgresql.org
[14:01] <LaaZa> tomreyn: this issue causes it, because the boot is filled with those really old kernels
[14:02] <tomreyn> LaaZa: can you also post    dpkg -l linux* 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:02] <lotuspsychje> ferz: before proceeding, explain to the channel wat you want to do?
[14:02] <cyberbob> lotuspsychje  I think Kazam seems to be more promising will give this a try :)  Thanks
[14:02] <LaaZa> https://termbin.com/qpkl
[14:02] <lotuspsychje> cyberbob: enjoy
[14:03] <ferz> https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Apt  I need to install postgresql-plperl-12
[14:03] <tomreyn> LaaZa: try this instead: dpkg -l "linux*" 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:03] <ferz> with apt update ; apt search plperl ; grep 12 is void.
[14:03] <StatelessCat> Meow
[14:04] <luna_> mew
[14:04] <sveinse> Is there any point to "report the problem now" functionality in ubuntu? Is is actually used?
[14:04] <LaaZa> https://termbin.com/65lxq
[14:04] <oerheks> sveinse, sure.
[14:04] <StatelessCat> luna_: ron ron ro n
[14:04] <tomreyn> LaaZa: in case you need more space, you could most likely delete those linux*_3.11*.deb files out of your working directory.
[14:04] <luna_> StatelessCat: huh?
[14:05] <StatelessCat> luna_: ron ron ron [14:05] <lotuspsychje> !info postgresql-plperl-12 | ferz
[14:05] <luna_> StatelessCat: ah never heard that before
[14:05] <tomreyn> LaaZa: and i think it's really about time to cinsider a fresh install.
[14:06] <oerheks> it does in Focal https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/postgresql-12
[14:06] <LaaZa> tomreyn: only problem I have with space is the small /boot partition that I have hard time resizing because it is near the start of the drive.
[14:06] <lotuspsychje> yeah tnx oerheks ubottu doesnt point to fossa yet so it seems
[14:06] <luna_> StatelessCat: also maybe i should not be all cat in the Ubuntu Support channel
[14:07] <StatelessCat> :)
[14:07] <LaaZa> it should be able to hold the latest 3 kernels though, so really only those 4.4 kernels are causing the issue
[14:07] <tomreyn> LaaZa: ok, i understood so much.
[14:08] <tomreyn> it's a common problem with very old installations which got release upgraded many times
[14:08] <ferz> lotuspsychje: thank you
[14:08] <ferz> ubottu: it seems to exist on apt.postgresql.org
[14:08] <lotuspsychje> ferz: we advice to install packages from the official ubuntu repos
[14:08] <oerheks> ferz, for what ubuntu version?
[14:08] <LaaZa> I'm just really curious where those are coming from, they seem to be quite specific versions as well.
[14:08] <ferz> eoan
[14:09] <oerheks> ferz, then upgrade to focal, it gives postgres-12 standard
[14:09] <tomreyn> ferz: what you last posted to termbin clearly shows
[14:09] <LaaZa> there must be some list they are on
[14:09] <tomreyn> LaaZa: : what you last posted to termbin clearly shows
[14:09] <tomreyn> sorry ferz, not you
[14:10] <ferz> oerheks: I'll do later this month, now I've not time to upgrade now. I've to complete a task on eoan.
[14:10] <tomreyn> LaaZa: packages in "rc" state still have leftovers (configuration files and more) installed
[14:10] <ferz> tomreyn: np.
[14:10] <LaaZa> but I'm not seeing 4.4 anywhere on that
[14:10] <lotuspsychje> ferz: time is ticking towards eol, remember to upgrade before is eol ok
[14:10] <ferz> lotuspsychje: ok, thank you.
[14:11] <ferz> So focal is the new LTS?
[14:11] <lotuspsychje> correct
[14:11] <tomreyn> LaaZa: me neither. but i think you'd be well advised to start by cleaning up this mess first, and then maybe the other one will solve itself.
[14:12] <tomreyn> LaaZa: i suspect that update-initramfs has repeatedly failed all the time, and is continuing to try to do what it used to be told to do long time ago just because it never finished properly, due to /boot running out of space.
[14:12] <tomreyn> LaaZa: pruging those packages in "rc" state may help fixing this.
[14:12] <LaaZa> where is that state stored then?
[14:12] <tomreyn> use dpkg -P
[14:12] <makara_> oerheks: thx
[14:14] <LaaZa> tomreyn: can I somehow reset update-initramfs' state?
[14:16] <tomreyn> LaaZa: i'm not sure, you could check its directories, such as /var/lib/initramfs-tools/ - but i think the "dpkg -P" suggestion is the better one for now.
[14:17] <sveinse> Is the nvidia driver better than the nouveau in 20.04 ?
[14:17] <LaaZa> problem with that is that those 4.4 packages are not installed anyway
[14:17] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: ask that in #ubuntu-discuss please
[14:17] <oerheks> sveinse, some do not see the difference.
[14:18] <sveinse> lotuspsychje: What is that channel? Compared to this?
[14:18] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: a channel to discuss ubuntu
[14:19] <tomreyn> LaaZa: i previously responded to this.
[14:21] <LaaZa> well, I'll try cleaning stuff up. Thanks.
[14:21] <no_gravity> Good Afternoon
[14:21] <no_gravity> Anybody here running Ubuntu on a tablet?
[14:21] <tomreyn> LaaZa: curl -s https://termbin.com/65lxq | awk '/^rc  / {print $2}' | xargs echo > /tmp/packages_to_purge && sudo apt purge $(cat /tmp/packages_to_purge)
[14:21] <tomreyn> LaaZa: actually this:   curl -s https://termbin.com/65lxq | awk '/^rc  / {print $2}' | xargs echo > /tmp/packages_to_purge && sudo dpkg -P $(cat /tmp/packages_to_purge)
[14:22] <tomreyn> no_gravity: i'm running ubuntu on a table. what's your actual question there?
[14:24] <no_gravity> tomreyn: I am looking around the net and did not find any info if it works and with which tablets.
[14:24] <oerheks> tons of tablets, which one?
[14:24] <no_gravity> tomreyn: Which tablet do you use?
[14:25] <ubique> Im using Ubuntu MATE 18.04.4 LTS.  The software updater is telling me that i need to update yet its telling me the internet connection isnt working.  The internet seems to work well though.
[14:25] <tomreyn> no_gravity: i'm not using a tablet, just a table.
[14:28] <lotuspsychje> ubique: can you pastebin what apt is saying please?
[14:28] <sveinse> lotuspsychje: I suppose this is support: I am unable to get my external screen on my Lenovo P51 laptop if I run nvidia drivers on 20.04. It works fine on 18.04 and it works fine on nouveau, but extreeemely slow. Not extra screen apart from the built-in display is detected with nvidia. How can I proceed with debugging this?
[14:28] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: wich graphics card chipset and driver version please?
[14:29] <sveinse> lotuspsychje: NVIDIA Corporation GM206GLM [Quadro M2200 Mobile] (rev a1), Intel Corporation HD Graphics 630 (rev 04), running nvidia 440.82+really.440.64-0ubuntu6
[14:31] <plutes> dont know if gone made, but Im sure I could before.. cd /var/log/ cat syslog > file.html ??? even sudo I can't copy syslog, is that normal, because in my mind Ive done it before
[14:31] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: .82 is pulled from the graphics ppa?
[14:31] <plutes> s/made/mad
[14:33] <pavlos> plutes: you cannot write in /var/log/ as a user
[14:34] <plutes> thats how done it saved it on desktop thanks
[14:34] <LaaZa> tomreyn: I found corresponding 4.4 files in the initramfs-tools and deleted them, I think the problem is now fixed! Is there a way to limit how many kernels are kept though? I think I would like to keep only current + 1.
[14:34] <pavlos> plutes: cp /var/log/syslog ~/file.html in your home dir
[14:35] <plutes> pavlos, thanks figured it when you reminded me, had a moment
[14:36] <pavlos> plutes: np
[14:39] <sveinse> lotuspsychje: I think I am running stock 20.04, but I came from a dev version. sources.list.d is empty at least
[14:39] <tomreyn> LaaZa: by default only the currently running, the previous and the highest version kernel as well as any manually installed ones are kept
[14:40] <tomreyn> LaaZa: see /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01autoremove-kernels
[14:40] <sveinse> lotuspsychje: it is the suggested version that "drivers" shows you. 440 (properitary, tested)
[14:43] <LaaZa> tomreyn: is there a way to have only ever 2 at a time, currently it seems that it keeps 3 as i have 99 running, then 96 and 91 are kept.
[14:44] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: did you doublecheck if your 440 was succesfully loaded? and set to performance mode instead of powersaving mode?
[14:45] <sveinse> I've tried a lot of permutations on setting nvidia settings (in xorg) to "permformance", "on demand" and "battery (intel)". None work. I've tested setting BIOS from "hybrid" to "descrete", no result.
[14:46] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: can you pastebin your dmesg, booted with the 440 driver please?
[14:46] <sveinse> Before I reboot again: I'm running "descrete" now, but it doesn't seem like its using the nvidia driver. The nvidia settings turn up blank. How can I check what xorg is using?
[14:47] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: nvidia-smi and sudo lshw -C video can give you more info
[14:48] <sveinse> lotuspsychje: interesting: nvidia-smi reports that it can't comm with the nvidia driver. lshw, sais "*-display UNCLAIMED" and goes on listing the NVIDIA product name and number
[14:49] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: unclaimed means driver not loaded, hence your problems probably
[14:50] <sveinse> So that's the BIOS discrete mode. Which I don't really want to be in, due to dualboot with windows. So I think I don't need to dwell too long with it
[14:50] <sveinse> In the other mode, the nvidia driver finds the HW (but not the ports)
[14:50] <sveinse> Let me reboot, stand by
[14:50] <sysadmin_> move away from windows sveinse it will make your time on earth much happier secure and productive
[14:51] <sveinse> sysadmin_: right now, I'm not so sure. It's a matter of time until my boss thinks setting up Ubuntu takes too long time :P
[14:52] <KnightsOfni> Hello. I'm logged in as root on a webserver, but when doing $ su someuser it doesn't change the user. It always sticks to root. Any ideas?
[14:54] <sysadmin_> just keep booting from the live cd till you have converted him to some flavour of linux
[14:54] <pavlos> KnightsOfni: if you're root your prompt is # the command should be su - someuser
[14:54] <KnightsOfni> that doesn't work either
[14:55] <KnightsOfni> When typing 'who' then, it still shows root
[14:55] <sysadmin_> screenshot(printscreen) + upload screenshot to imageur.com-share link in here
[14:56] <KnightsOfni> This is what it says in passwd: xxxxxx:x:10002:1003::/var/www/vhosts/xxxxx.com:/bin/false
[14:56] <pavlos> KnightsOfni: id
[14:56] <sysadmin_> my system is telling me im a systemadmin (think my computer is drunk)
[14:56] <tomreyn> LaaZa: you could edit the script. but really the problem you're facing is that your /boot is too small, which is a result of having installed ubuntu a loooong time ago and never reinstalling since.
[14:56] <pavlos> KnightsOfni: there is no shell for that user
[14:57] <KnightsOfni> Why not?
[14:57] <pavlos> KnightsOfni: see the /bin/false
[14:57] <sysadmin_> backup files and migrate
[14:57] <sysadmin_> delete old backups
[14:57] <KnightsOfni> So I set it to true?
[14:58] <KnightsOfni> This user was made via Plesk, why doesn't it have a shell?
[14:58] <sveinse> lotuspsychje: nvidia-smi turns up empty when running the 440 driver. My dmesg: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/TSsK7zvyjM/
[14:58] <tomreyn> LaaZa: and there are other results that are undesirable, coming form the same root cause. such as using legacy file systems, having untracked configuration (and possibly other) files spread over the place.
[14:58] <pavlos> KnightsOfni: no, dont mess with the password file unless you know what you're doing
[14:59] <tomreyn> LaaZa: ubuntu is certainly better tha other OS in tracking which files need to be removed during upgrades and on package removals, but it, too, is not perfect.
[14:59] <KnightsOfni> I'm just migrating a site, do I need a shell for this user or can I just do everything as root?
[15:00] <KnightsOfni> @pavlos can you help me via a zoom meeting ?
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: Kernel is locked down from EFI Secure Boot mode; see man kernel_lockdown.7
[15:01] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: that might influence your hardware
[15:01] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: try booting legacy, see if your driver gets loaded
[15:02] <sveinse> lotuspsychje: I'm in 18.04 now. it's smi is working fine. Do you want dmesg from it too?
[15:02] <pavlos> KnightsOfni: no, you are logged on as root, what 'id' says?
[15:03] <LaaZa> tomreyn: I know it's a mess, but I might be even a bit sentimental about the current install. So I'll try to deal with it. Thanks tomreyn, helped me solve my original issue and then some.
[15:04] <tomreyn> LaaZa: i very much recommend you install and run apt-foktracer on such an old installation as well. and later deborphan, too. and  ubuntu-support-status --show-unsupported
[15:04] <tomreyn> * apt-forktracer
[15:05] <sveinse> lotuspsychje: here is dmesg from my 18.04 install https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kgc7QwVCrb/
[15:05] <LaaZa> tomreyn: will look into it, thanks.
[15:06] <KnightsOfni> @pavlos, uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root)
[15:06] <tomreyn> LaaZa: more background on the underlying problem you may be able to identify (if your system is affected) and solve this way: https://github.com/tomreyn/scripts#foreign_packages
[15:06] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: its also kernel lockdown there
[15:07] <sveinse> lotuspsychje: but graphics is working fine on 18.04
[15:08] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: why are we talking about 2 systems at the same time?
[15:09] <sveinse> lotuspsychje: I'm dual booting between a working and a non-working install. The focus is the 20.04, which isn't working. It's a proof that it isn't the HW. Other than that, just ignore the 18.04
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: ah right...now we getting there, 20.04 has some nvidia recent known bugs, try a version lower please like 435
[15:10] <sveinse> lotuspsychje: will do
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: to see wich known bugs to compare, check the 20.04 releasenotes
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> !20.04
[15:11] <sveinse> lotuspsychje: btw, but this bug has been present since 19.10 and onwards. I've never been able to get the graphics running after that. Again, just an FYI
[15:12] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: lets try a 435 first + reboot, see what it does
[15:12] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: after that we can always file a !bug if needed
[15:14] <ajshell1> I have a rather exotic issue.  Ubuntu (and Debian) have an "apt" user that is a member of group 65534 (aka "nogroup"). However, I have an LXC container where I have to do user and group id remapping, which involves "nobody" and "nogroup" (as described here: https://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Unprivileged_LXC_containers). This causes apt to no longer
[15:14] <ajshell1> work. Can I change the group the apt user is a member of, or should I just use CentOS or Fedora instead?
[15:15] <ajshell1> (just to clarify, apt stops working in the LXC container, not the host system)
[15:16] <chraso> how do I enable remote desktop on lubuntu
[15:16] <ajshell1> That depends on what type you want.
[15:16] <ajshell1> Do you want VNC? RDP? NX? X11 Forwarding? X2Go?
[15:17] <chraso> I know vnc
[15:17] <ajshell1> Do you want a VNC server or client on Lubuntu?
[15:17] <sveinse> lotuspsychje: running 435. same result, no nvidia-smi
[15:18] <chraso> I know CNC for windows only
[15:18] <chraso> vnc
[15:18] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: ok paste dmesg from your 20.04 with 435 plz
[15:18] <KnightsOfni> Does anyone know some good guide on how to setup users/permissions/ownership of dirs on an Ubuntu webserver? This stuff is so confusing
[15:18] <ajshell1> chraso: Let me rephrase that: Do you want to connect to your Lubuntu machine from another device, or do you want to use your Lubuntu machine to connect to another device?
[15:19] <sveinse> Isn't there a pastetool for ubuntu that can you can paste to? What is it named?
[15:19] <chraso> i want to connect to my lubuntu via vnc
[15:20] <ajshell1> chraso: Okay. Then you'll need x11vnc. Install it with "sudo apt install x11vnc"
[15:20] <chraso> thanks aj
[15:20] <ajshell1> More info here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC/Servers
[15:21] <ajshell1> Do you intend to use VNC over the local network or do you want to be able to access it form anywhere?
[15:22] <sveinse> lotuspsychje: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PrGqrffp7Z/
[15:22] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: can you try booting legacy please
[15:23] <jeremy31> sveinse: Can you disable Secure Boot in BIOS settings?
[15:24] <sveinse> lotuspsychje: with what change?
[15:24] <lotuspsychje> sveinse: see what jeremy31 says
[15:24] <sveinse> stand by
[15:25] <jeremy31> sveinse: See if there is a Secure Boot setting in BIOS as it will prevent modules from loading that aren't part of the kernel
[15:27] <jeremy31> sveinse: nvidia graphics drivers would be blocked by Secure Boot
[15:28] <ubique> Im having trouble downloading repository information. the internet connection is ok.  the details are as follows. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pRfzJvFqsK/      any advice
[15:28] <sveinse> jeremy31, lotuspsychje: that woke it up. Now multiple screen works
[15:29] <sveinse> Interestingly it does work in 18.04 with secure boot enabled
[15:30] <jeremy31> sveinse: It is possible to get it working with Secure Boot but you may have used open source driver on 18.04
[15:30] <sveinse> Should I take it back to 440, or is 434 more suited? ref the bugs
[15:30] <sveinse> jeremy31: no, I believe I'm using nvidia. Does nvidia-smi work with open source driver?
[15:32] <sveinse> Leaving secure boot disabled, will I run into trouble with my win10 dual boot? Does windows become (more) cranky than usual with secureboot disabled?
[15:32] <jeremy31> sveinse: I doubt it but I don't know much about graphics drivers but since I work with wireless I know what headaches Secure Boot can cause.  It is possible to use mokutil in terminal to sign these modules or to disable validation but I normally just disable Secure Boot
[15:32] <ZeZu> regex for apt install isn't working in focal,  is this by design?  and how can I enable it ?
[15:32] <jeremy31> sveinse: I didn't use dual boot very long with Win 10
[15:33] <ZeZu> works for search and remove
[15:33] <sveinse> jeremy31: well, I have for years with 18.04, and it has worked flawlessly
[15:34] <sveinse> How can I verify what drivers I'm using in xorg?
[15:34] <jeremy31> sveinse: There has been Secure Boot enforcement enabled in Ubuntu kernels since early in the 4.4 kernels
[15:34] <ZeZu> lsmod will show you which modules are loaded
[15:36] <jeremy31> sveinse: or something like> lshw -c video
[15:36] <sveinse> jeremy31: got it.
[15:36] <oerheks> is nvidia-dkms installed?
[15:38] <ubique> Im having trouble downloading repository information. the internet connection is ok.  the details are as follows. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pRfzJvFqsK/      any advice
[15:39] <oerheks> ubique, try to remove lists and update again;  sudo rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists  && sudo apt update & sudo apt dist-upgrade
[15:40] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PackageManagerTroubleshootingProcedure
[15:40] <ubique> #oerheks thank you
[15:41] <sveinse> jeremy31: I just rebooted into 18.04 with secure boot enabled and I'm surely running nvidia 431.21 driver. Kernel 4.15.0-91
[15:41] <sveinse> So there is /some/ difference between 18.04 and 20.04 that affects signing and tainted graphics drivers
[15:44] <ubique> #oerheks that first line of text didnt work?
[15:45] <oerheks> this one?   sudo rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists
[15:46] <ubique> yes, it doesnt do anything at all on my terminal
[15:46] <oerheks> it should not give an output without errors, that is oke
[15:47] <oerheks> sudo apt update loads the lists again
[15:47] <ubique> ok hold on
[15:47] <sveinse> jeremy31, lotuspsychje: Thank you both. Getting graphics up and running has been a large showstopper for taking use of 20.04. Very grateful.
[15:47] <ubique> sudo apt update?
[15:48] <ioria> sveinse, yes, 5.4  release enhances the kernel lockdown mode from previous releases
[15:49] <sysadmin_> is ubuntu non server vunerable to spectre/meltdown
[15:49] <sveinse> ioria: aha
[15:50] <ioria> sveinse, let me find you the doc
[15:50] <sysadmin_> que
[15:50] <sysadmin_> o thats ur nombre
[15:50] <oerheks> sysadmin_, all supported versions of ubuntu are not vunerable to spectre/meltdown
[15:50] <sveinse> ioria: jeremy31 mentioned a mokutil. Can I use that to sign the nvidia drivers in case win10 doesn't dig me running without secure boot?
[15:50] <oerheks> and the rest of the hardwarebugs
[15:51] <ioria> sveinse, https://ubuntu.com/blog/ubuntu-kernel-5-4-whats-new-with-ubuntu-20-04-lts
[15:51] <sysadmin_> cool
[15:51] <sysadmin_> is linux at all
[15:52] <ioria> sveinse, yes, i think you can
[15:53] <sveinse> ioria: heh, googling it now, it is actually a full certificate signing process :D
[15:54] <sveinse> And nvidia can't do that, because it is distributed and compiled during install, right?
[15:55] <jeremy31> sveinse: mokutil, the mok is actually short for Machine Owner Key and you can use it to sign compiled modules
[15:56] <ioria> sveinse, https://gist.github.com/dop3j0e/2a9e2dddca982c4f679552fc1ebb18df
[15:56] <sveinse> jeremy31: yeah, it kinda seems much the same as signtool.exe on windows
[15:56] <tomreyn> sysadmin_: those are *hardware* (not OS) vulnerabilities. there are some mitigations in software, some in firmware. i suggest reading up more on them.
[15:57] <sveinse> is there a concept about signed binaries in elf? or is thins something special for the kernel modules?
[15:57] <sveinse> ioria: thanks!
[15:57] <ioria> ok
[15:58] <sysadmin_> tomreyn, yeah thats where what im reading is leading me also-anyone aware of the general state of things at present-seems to be alot out there
[15:58] <tomreyn> sveinse: there's a .signature section in ELF
[15:59] <sveinse> tomreyn: cool
[15:59] <tomreyn> https://lwn.net/Articles/532778/ https://lwn.net/Articles/733431/
[16:04] <tarelerulz> I want to make a ramdisk with Ubuntu and install virtualbox to it.  Can you install an app to a location , I know you can do with windows but can Ubuntu do such a thing? that way I would have the full speed
[16:05] <tomreyn> sysadmin_: there were many separate vulnerability reports and fixes at hardware manufacturers, mainboard manufacturers, OSes regarding this over the course of the past 3 (?) years, so it's indeed much.  generally, those go through the usual workflow of assessing the criticality, coming up with a strategy to fix or mitigate them, then releasing updates - like any other vulnerability just that moe parties are involved and need to cooperate.
[16:05] <tomreyn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/KnowledgeBase/SpectreAndMeltdown and https://ubuntu.com/blog/ubuntu-updates-for-the-meltdown-spectre-vulnerabilities may provide a better understanding, and finally you can test your system using the spectre-meltdown-checker script packaged in ubuntu (or get it directly from git)
[16:11] <ubique> can anybody help me deal with this?  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dZHsv2R8pb/
[16:12] <curloxide> The torrential amount of warnings, or the 1 error?
[16:13] <ubique> well I have no Idea. im not great with computers sorry
[16:13] <tomreyn> 2 errors
[16:13] <curloxide> Well, the first thing I notice is that the download configuration has a duplicate URL
[16:13] <curloxide> oh my bad
[16:14] <tomreyn> actually 4
[16:14]  * curloxide looks farther down...
[16:14] <curloxide> yikes
[16:15] <ioria> ubique, sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-firmware-raspi2_1.20190819-0ubuntu0.18.04.1_armhf.deb
[16:17] <ubique> i got this https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8ywQG4scYC/
[16:17] <curloxide> Looks to me like it installed correctly.
[16:18] <ioria> ubique, ok, paste your /etc7apt/sources.list
[16:18] <ioria> * /etc/apt/sources.list
[16:18] <curloxide> cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[16:18] <ubique> how do i get that list for you?
[16:18] <curloxide> By typing in the command I just sent above
[16:19] <ioria> what curloxide said plus  | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:19] <ioria> ubique,   cat /etc/apt/sources.list   | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:19] <tomreyn> http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-pi-flavour-makers/ppa/ubuntu provides the bad firmware package
[16:20] <ubique> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZWGCmcMNFB/
[16:20] <ubique> try that
[16:21] <curloxide> He's got the same line 4 times...
[16:21] <ioria> ubique,   as the warnings say, there are a lot of duplications
[16:22] <oerheks> oh, it was not in the lists but sources.lists ..
[16:22] <oerheks> how did you do that?
[16:22] <curloxide> Using a text editor (example, sudo nano <file>), remove the line:
[16:22] <curloxide> deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ bionic main universe restricted multiverse
[16:24] <ubique> #curloxide> not sure how to do that. im very new to all this. sorry
[16:24] <ubique> also what text editor?
[16:26] <curloxide> Normally one would have nano installed in the clean installation
[16:27] <ubique> ok, ill try and install it
[16:27] <curloxide> Try "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list"
[16:27] <curloxide> This should ask you for a password, but that's needed to access the file
[16:30] <spython01> I am looking to redo some of my backup scripts for my laptop running Ubuntu.  Previously, I used cron jobs to schedule them.
[16:30] <spython01> Are there any advantages to looking into systemd timers?
[16:30] <ubique> deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ bionic main universe restricted multiverse this line is present four times
[16:30] <curloxide> Remove the other 3
[16:31] <curloxide> This should remove the wall of text (except for the errors, that's past what I can do)
[16:33] <Toxmi> This is my first time attempt to try Ubuntu 20.04 after a long time....
[16:33] <Toxmi> Is there FDE (full disk encryption) has been removed from installer?
[16:33] <Toxmi> I also tried 3rd party installation which required me to setup secure boot!
[16:33] <Toxmi> But couldn't see the FDE option
[16:34] <ubique> #curloxide ive removed them
[16:35] <curloxide> Now all that's left is that one 404 error
[16:35] <ubique> ok
[16:35] <curloxide> Try apt update again
[16:35] <ubique> sux
[16:35] <ecbrown> Tomxi: it is there in Advanced
[16:36] <ecbrown> it's a button
[16:36] <ecbrown> go into that menu and you can see the encryption option
[16:37] <ubique> how do i get back out of the sources list
[16:37] <Toxmi> ecbrown, ah that might be it. ecbrown Is it just hassle free like before? My previous experience was so smooth, just select it and done, FDE
[16:37] <curloxide> Ctrl+X if using nano
[16:37] <ecbrown> Tomxi: it is trivial.  you have to add a passphrase
[16:37] <curloxide> then Y
[16:37] <curloxide> and enter
[16:38] <curloxide> That should save the modified file, and drop you back to the bash prompt
[16:38] <irreleph4nt> Hi. I am looking for a cmdline parameter I can set to boot the ubuntu live image directly into my native language. I found "locale=" but that changes only menu texts, not text on the terminal or keymaps
[16:40] <ubique> i got this https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hvJqTNkVpB/
[16:40] <curloxide> Did you write an entire command into that list?
[16:41] <ubique> i removed the three lines as requested
[16:42] <curloxide> Which is good
[16:42] <ubique> the list now.
[16:42] <ubique> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sxZJJCMSv6/
[16:43] <curloxide> Remove "sudo apt update" to resolve the errors in https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hvJqTNkVpB/
[16:44] <ubique> i just spotted my mistake sorry
[16:45] <curloxide> :P Could happen to anyone
[16:46] <ubique> it could but im a newb so sorry about that haha
[16:46] <ubique> ive just started sudo apt update again
[16:46] <curloxide> My bad, forgot to mention checking the edited file before saving
[16:48] <ubique> results from my most recent update. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/JnV4bN2GYQ/
[16:50] <curloxide> Okay, now I'm stuck on this one
[16:50] <curloxide> Anyone else?
[16:50] <curloxide> http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic/main/binary-armhf/Packages  404  Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.152 80]
[16:50] <ubique> did i screw up?
[16:51] <curloxide> No
[16:52] <curloxide> That's strange...The entire repo for armhf is missing
[16:52] <ubique> #curloxide i appreciate the time your taking to help me.
[16:53] <curloxide> Np, I have a ton of free time so...
[16:53] <ubique> #curloxide i know the feeling ....
[16:55]  * curloxide is searching for an armhf repo...
[16:56] <ubique> #curloxide, im running this on a pi 3 b+.  i had to remove the old Pi os before i put it on the disk if that helps.
[16:57] <oerheks> the ports.ubuntu.com lines give armhf packages, not the gb lines
[16:58] <curloxide> Apparently the gb server doesn't support armhf
[16:58] <tomreyn> ports are not available on most of the archive mirrors
[16:59] <curloxide> Try commenting out the gb lines
[16:59] <curloxide> like #deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ bionic main universe restricted multiverse
[16:59] <curloxide> note the #
[17:00] <ubique> how do i do that
[17:00] <curloxide> Instead of "deb http://<stuff here>"
[17:00] <curloxide> It'll be "#deb http://<stuff here>"
[17:01] <curloxide> er...nano that file
[17:01] <ubique> im confused. sorry
[17:01] <oerheks> odd question, as you just edited the sources.list before
[17:02] <pavlushka> Can I set raid on a disk with pre-existing data, I think I can but what will happen to the data?
[17:02] <curloxide> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:02] <curloxide> again
[17:02] <olysonek> Hi folks. Is there a mirror around that still has 19.04 updates? I have a 19.04 system here that apparently hasn't been updated in a while and I need to upgrade to 19.04-latest in order to be able to upgrade to a new release. But 19.04 seems to have been deleted from the mirrors already...
[17:02] <oerheks> !eolupgrade  | olysonek check out the old release part
[17:03] <ubique> odd question maybe but im autistic and dyslexic so i find things like this difficult
[17:03] <curloxide> Ah OK
[17:03] <ubique> im on the list now
[17:04] <olysonek> oerheks, ubottu Ah, let me read through that. Thanks!
[17:04] <curloxide> add a # before each line that has "gb.archive.ubuntu.com"
[17:05] <ubique> done
[17:06] <curloxide> If done correctly, sudo apt update should behave normally again.
[17:06] <ubique> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ytNtgRZZs4/  my new list
[17:07] <curloxide> Looks good to me, try it out
[17:07] <ubique> somthing is happening......
[17:08] <oerheks> line 14 and 15 are double too..
[17:09] <ubique> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FGZKVj3q2X/ the result
[17:09] <RoseBus> hello my .desktop file launches gedit when i double click, how can i open it with gnome or whatever launcher this file is intended for?
[17:09] <curloxide> what? I don't see any doubles
[17:09] <oerheks>  or how is http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/  different from http://ports.ubuntu.com/
[17:09] <curloxide> Heyyyy it works!
[17:09] <curloxide> ubique: You're all set
[17:11] <ubique> #oerheks>  #curloxide>  thank you both for your help. i only wish i could return the favour somehow.   :-)
[17:11] <curloxide> No problem.
[17:11] <oerheks> ubique, have fun!
[17:14] <sublim20> greybot should build a pizza delivery service.  so people who want to thank others, can send them pizzas
[17:14] <curloxide> that's gonna be a hefty delivery fee to send it to me
[17:14] <curloxide> I'm out here in the boreal forest
[17:15] <ubique> now I have that sorted, as this is a new install over the last few days can you recommend anything I need to do ? upgrade anything etc...
[17:15] <curloxide> You're all up to date, so I don't think you really have much, other than mess around with your new installation
[17:16] <ubique> ok great, It beats windows any day of the week !!!!
[17:17] <curloxide> Except for some games, but very true
[17:17] <sublim20> curloxide, we can build solar powered drones.  the pizzas might not be warm when they get to you.  but they'll get there. eventually.
[17:17] <tomreyn> windows games on pi 3 b+?
[17:18] <curloxide> holy crap that would be unplayable
[17:18] <ubique> I do need some games for my Pi 3 b
[17:18] <sublim20> tomreyn, not really an option.  first, the 3b+ is really slow.  second, its an arm cpu.  it wont run wine.
[17:18] <ubique> im building it into a basic laptop thing
[17:18] <curloxide> not only is the pi 3 b+ not the best for today's games, you're also running it through a x86 interpreter then wine
[17:19] <curloxide> if that even exists
[17:19] <ubique> can you get any retro games to run on Ubuntu Mate?
[17:19] <sublim20> there was a shady russian company that was working on an arm -> x86 interpreter...but then they disappeared.
[17:19] <curloxide> ubique: Definitely.
[17:19] <tomreyn> sublim20: right, i was just meaning to point out (to curloxide) that's not very likely to work
[17:19] <sublim20> retropi, is the best 'gaming' option. i have one setup on my 3b+.  its good
[17:19] <curloxide> NES: nestopia, fceux
[17:20] <curloxide> SNES: zsnes, snes9x
[17:20] <curloxide> umm
[17:20] <ubique> Snes games would be good
[17:20]  * curloxide encounters alzheimer's
[17:20] <curloxide> jk no i didnt
[17:20] <ubique> ive not seen them available to run on ubuntu mate though
[17:22]  * curloxide scans the repository...
[17:22] <curloxide> oh.
[17:24] <ubique> sudo apt-get install zsnes
[17:24] <irreleph4nt> Hi. I am looking for a cmdline parameter I can set to boot the ubuntu live image directly into my native language. I found "locale=" but that changes only menu texts, not text on the terminal or keymaps
[17:25] <curloxide> ubique: Doubt it
[17:26] <MICROburst> where do I find some instructions on how to set up an auto-install for qemu-kvm, ubuntu 20.04 and the new shiny installer?
[17:27] <sublim20> is there a difference between, apt, and apt-get?
[17:29] <oerheks> apt is superior over apt-get. both commands are still valid.
[17:30] <tripelb> What ia the superiority? oerheks
[17:30] <oerheks> apt is better in handling dependencie stuff, and more
[17:31] <tripelb> I came in to ask how to I kill chrome. Ot cant handle the tabs and froze. Haha cntl-alt-del doesnt work in ubuntu, sad.
[17:31] <oerheks> https://itsfoss.com/apt-vs-apt-get-difference/
[17:31] <oerheks> open terminal: pkill chrome-browser
[17:31] <tripelb>  Thanks oerheks
[17:32] <tripelb> Terminal ctnl-alt-t doesnt function. oerheks
[17:32] <tripelb> mousese moves
[17:33] <sublim20> oerheks, so in general, one should stay away from apt-get, and stick to just apt?
[17:33] <tripelb> mousese looks like a square eatennup on thw top (a graph?)
[17:33] <oerheks> not stay away, get used to apt.
[17:33] <tripelb> Back yo arrow mouse
[17:33] <tripelb> Noow froze
[17:33] <oerheks> and with giving support, make sure what version, 16.04 is still apt-get
[17:34] <tripelb> Now not
[17:34] <ubique> Is firefox good on security  ?
[17:35] <tripelb> Panel menus dot react either. A YT was playing back when functions stopped.
[17:36] <tomreyn> !tty | tripelb
[17:36] <tripelb> oerheks it looks i have to hard reboot... And the YT starts again. Hmmm
[17:36] <tomreyn> tripelb: once on the tty, you can ctrl-alt-del
[17:37] <tripelb> Thanks tomreyn I will write that down.
[17:37] <tomreyn> if this also fails you can still do SUB
[17:37] <tomreyn> !reisub
[17:38] <tomreyn> both of those are better than a hard reset
[17:43] <RoseBus> hello how can i install 32-bit libraries for my nvidia driver package?
[17:44] <tripelb> tomreyn oerheks so odd. Chrome is still playing and I see the windows but it says chrome closed unexpectedly. My computer does not have enough free memory to analyze and send a report to developers -- ok I have enoigh.  This computer has 8G memory. How can it have low memory. -- Bad ubuntu memorty management?? This could be a Report_2_HQ as far as
[17:44] <tripelb> I can.
[17:44] <rapha> hi
[17:44] <rapha> i'm trying out cuda for the first time
[17:45] <rapha> it installed fine, but nvcc won't compile anything, not even the nvidia sample program from https://devblogs.nvidia.com/easy-introduction-cuda-c-and-c/ ... am i still missing some libs or something?
[17:51] <tripelb> tomreyn what is going on. Chrome is atill playing yt but the system announces it has crashed???
[17:52] <rapha> this is on 20.04 btw
[17:52] <tomreyn> tripelb: since i don't have remote access to your system, i don't know what is (not) going on there. i can guess that oone of the chrome processes crashed while others continue to operate. rebooting would probably help.
[17:52] <rapha> also <iostream> is unknown
[17:52] <rapha> but i have build-essential
[17:54] <rapha> hmm okay g++ works, it's just nvcc
[17:55] <rapha> aaah nevermind
[17:55] <rapha> the files must be named *.cu, *.c won't work
[17:55] <rapha> thanks all
[17:56] <pavlos> rapha: nvcc --version
[17:58] <pavlos> rapha: did you set your PATH to include cuda binaries? export PATH=/usr/local/cuda/bin:$PATH
[17:59] <rapha> pavlos: i installed from ubuntu repositories; there is no /usr/local/cuda. but it seems it's working fine now, when naming the files as .cu.
[17:59] <rapha> i think i still need to install the proprietary nvidia driver, though. or will this work with nouveau, too?
[18:00] <MICROburst> how to auto-install 20.04 server? Any howtos on that?
[18:01] <tomreyn> the same i provided in #ubuntu-de, i guess
[18:01] <pavlos> rapha: I think you need the nvidia driver, not nouveau
[18:01] <tomreyn> there is also #ubuntu-server
[18:01] <rapha> pavlos: okay, installing
[18:04] <multifractal> I'm not seeing the option to install "alongside win10" on this 18.04 installation wizard
[18:04] <tomreyn> multifractal: you booted in legacy bios mode while windows is installed in uefi mode
[18:05] <tomreyn> s/while/whereas/
[18:10] <oerheks> or windows is installed with bitlocker..
[18:11] <oerheks> windows installed in sata/raid mode, not AHCI
[18:12] <multifractal> what can i do to check whether windows is installed in uefi mode, from inside the ubuntu live usb environment?
[18:12] <multifractal> it's a fresh win install, so i can overwrite it if necessary
[18:12] <rapha> pavlos: including the whole passthrough jazz: https://i.imgur.com/Yzb3xeA.png :-D
[18:13] <oerheks> boot your ubuntu usb in uefi mode too ..
[18:13] <tomreyn> multifractal: you can check how the ubuntu installer booted, that's probably more interesting
[18:13] <oerheks> and i would let make windows free space, not ubuntu
[18:13] <pavlos> rapha: not a good approximation for pi ...
[18:14] <tomreyn> multifractal: run tihs in a temrinal (press ctrl-alt-t to spawn one):  echo -n 'This system booted via: '; [ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo UEFI || echo BIOS
[18:20] <rapha> pavlos: it was an example i found online ... didn't even read the code. so you're saying that that means CUDA isn't working yet?
[18:21] <rapha> pavlos: hmm, okay, playing with the official C examples from Nvidia, there's still something wrong ... cudaErrorSystemDriverMismatch
[18:21] <pavlos> rapha: I thought you needed pi.cu code not python code
[18:22] <rapha> lol, also the pi approximation given by that python example changes each time around
[18:22] <pavlos> rapha: I'll try this ... http://cacs.usc.edu/education/cs596/src/cuda/pi.cu
[18:27] <rapha> pavlos: thank you! unfortunately, 0.00. it seems i still have some kind of problem. suspecting driver...
[18:30] <pavlos> rapha: the idea being that the .cu will use GPU instead of CPU to compute
[18:36] <rapha> pavlos: yes, but it's not working. and the driver seems to be fine (version 440 for an RTX 2060). so maybe my PCI passthrough is not yet setup correctly.
[18:42] <pavlos> rapha: troubleshooting is an exercise :) ... here's a simple pi.py (https://termbin.com/wgjc)
[18:46] <olysonek> oerheks, I've successfuly upgraded \o/. Thank you very much :)
[18:50] <superboot> Does anyone know what the name of the program is that lets you run a second x11 session in a window? I want to run a second window manager for testing.
[18:50] <diamondbond> superboot, xephyr
[18:50] <zetheroo> A little but annoying problem. When I open Chrome for the first time the Chrome icon appears in the top-right tray area. If the system goes on standby and I wake it back up, the Chrome icon is missing from the tray, but Chrome is still running.
[18:51] <rapha> pavlos: seems to be a problem with the hypervisor's kernel module options as regards the PCI passthrough.
[18:52] <pavlos> rapha: ok, cannot help there ...
[18:52] <rapha> thank you for the python example, though! :) i had to leave work now so it'll have to wait a few days.
[18:53] <rapha> pavlos: btw, your python example misses parantheses for the print call when ran with python3
[18:53] <pavlos> rapha: yes, basic difference p2 to p3
[18:54] <diamondbond> rapha, https://pastebin.com/raw/cjh4quU4 <- arctg based pi calculation for py3
[18:55] <pavlos> rapha: change print pi to print(pi) and python3 pi.py runs
[18:57] <ioria> zetheroo, are you using Unity ?
[18:57] <zetheroo> ioria: I guess so. Whatever the default is in 20.04
[18:58] <ioria> zetheroo, nope, then should be gnome-shell
[18:58] <zetheroo> ah ok
[19:07] <zetheroo> ioria: why? any suggestions?
[19:07] <ioria> nope
[19:08] <diamondbond> zetheroo, have you tried killing chrome manually and then restarting it, does the icon come back?
[19:09] <zetheroo>  diamondbond: yes, done that and the icon returns
[19:10] <diamondbond> zetheroo, nice!
[19:10] <zetheroo>  diamondbond: but how to make it stay there after wake from suspend?
[19:10] <tripelb> Ubu20.04 sruck, mouse moves c/a/f7 does not work. I have a dialog box that says chrome has quit and yhere is no memory to report it. BUT chrome continues to play youtube with the video in an unfocused tab.
[19:11] <tripelb> I think it's a problem with memory management in Ubuntu.
[19:12] <rapha> pavlos: i know, i just thought maybe you're not using py3 yet :)
[19:12] <rapha> diamondbond: another one to add to the collection, thanks :)
[19:13] <tripelb> Well, I found the panel worked. I closed chrome from the dock and all is well. The problem was in chrome.
[19:14] <rapha> interestingly both of your implementations start differing 6 digits after the decimal point
[19:16] <ioria> zetheroo, i'am curious about the icons you have in the top-right tray.... can you post a screenshot ?
[19:20] <zetheroo> ioria: https://ibb.co/VgHsN5X
[19:20] <zetheroo> without the Chrome icon
[19:22] <hmmp> I have two swapfiles. is it safe to swappoff one of them if there's less swap used than one file already has? or will this break something
[19:23] <ioria> zetheroo, i might be wrong but that is Unity (or a shell extension)
[19:29] <kvndy> Hello my computer froze two nights ago and on reboot audio stopped working. I asked in here for help but the problem was not resolved... yet. Does anyone know how to re-enable audio?
[19:30] <zetheroo> ioria: how do I tell if I am using Unity or Gnome-Shell?
[19:30] <ioria> zetheroo, env | grep -i shell_ses
[19:31] <kvndy> I tried several things, pavucontrol, alsa-mixer, reinstalling pulse audio, deleting folders, and rebooting, but nothing works
[19:31] <zetheroo> ioria: GNOME_SHELL_SESSION_MODE=ubuntu
[19:31] <ioria> zetheroo, ps -A | grep gnome-shell
[19:31] <tomreyn> kvndy: computers don't usually just freeze. does it do thaqt more regularly?
[19:32] <zetheroo> ioria:    3391 ?        00:22:26 gnome-shell
[19:32] <zetheroo>    3423 ?        00:00:00 gnome-shell-cal
[19:32] <kvndy> tomreyn: Mine does on occasion
[19:32] <ioria> zetheroo, ok, you're running g-shell
[19:33] <ioria> zetheroo, but gnome-shell (by default) has no icons in the top panel
[19:34] <tomreyn> kvndy: hmm, that's usually caused by firmware (if you're lucky) or (more likely) hardware (and very rarely by OS) issues. sound vanishing could be a side effect of it deteriorating.
[19:34] <geard> Hello everyone, I am working in an ESXi environment. We need to sunset some old servers and are taking the release of 20.04 to refresh our environments. I am looking at automating some of our base server deployments using Vmware templates, would using something like cloud-init be advised in this situation?
[19:34] <tomreyn> kvndy: which hardware is it?   journalctl -b | grep DMI:    would tell
[19:34] <kvndy> tomreyn: You might be right about a firmware issue, I received help in here but everything seemed like it should work
[19:35] <sveinse> Is there a decent command line paster in ubuntu (that doesn't paste to pastebin)?
[19:35] <kvndy> tomreyn: `May 06 03:36:46 Inspirator kernel: DMI: Dell Inc. Inspiron 13-7378/0GHMCD, BIOS 1.21.1 08/25/2017`
[19:35] <tomreyn> kvndy: did you look for a bios upgrade, yet?
[19:36] <kvndy> tomreyn: I have not, I was not aware. That's through Dell?
[19:38] <tomreyn> kvndy: i would say so. https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-uk/drivers/driversdetails?driverid=ncj11&oscode=wt64a&productcode=inspiron-13-7378-2-in-1-laptop
[19:40] <zetheroo> ioria: In Tweaks > Extensions > there is Ubuntu appindicators. Is that why the icons are there?
[19:41] <ioria> zetheroo, don't remember, sy; but the only way is to install some extensions , like Unite or Taskbar
[19:42] <kvndy> tomreyn: I will have to install windows on my machine but I think I can handle it. Thanks for the advice
[19:43] <tomreyn> kvndy: be aware this is really just a needle in a haystack, though. there can be many other reasons.
[19:44] <tomreyn> i mean it's maybe not the needle in the haystack you'Re looking for. it can be.
[19:45] <kvndy> tomreyn: Every other possibility was exhausted, at least it seemed to me. I asked in here and everything I checked and everything I tried, the response I got was audio should be working
[19:48] <kvndy> tomreyn: Unless there is something else to try, I'll give it a shot
[19:49] <tomreyn> kvndy: you could also run a hardware test. there's memcheck86+ which you can download from memtest86.com (the free as in beer version is sufficient) or you can run the hardware diagnostic which is embedded on the mainboard's storage and available from 'bios' / system setup menus. it's called ePSA.
[19:50] <tomreyn> Press F12 after the Dell logo is displayed on the screen to access the boot menu.
[19:50] <tomreyn> page 130 of https://topics-cdn.dell.com/pdf/inspiron-13-7378-2-in-1-laptop_service-manual_en-us.pdf
[19:51] <kvndy> tomreyn: Fantastic
[19:51] <tomreyn> a reset of the bios settings to manufactirer / optimized defaults can also help
[19:53] <curloxide> tomreyn: I thought memtest86+ came with ubuntu?
[19:53] <tomreyn> kvndy: there's also this report about the realtek sound chip this system has: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/1772423
[19:54] <tomreyn> (different inspiron model, but the same ALC3253 chipset)
[19:54] <tomreyn> curloxide: just the old bios-only one.
[19:55] <curloxide> really? I thought grub2 ran UEFI as well
[19:56] <tomreyn> there is a grub bootloader for uefi, and grub can boot linux off a system in uefi boot mode.
[19:57] <tomreyn> but this has nothing to do with whether or not memtest86+ boots inthis mode or not.
[19:57] <curloxide> .elf files have to be in a different data type to run in UEFI?
[19:58]  * curloxide realizes this is starting to go off-topic
[20:01] <jfcaron> I installed Ubuntu Desktop (18.04.4) from the "minimal install", but when I boot, I am only shown a CLI login and interface.  How do I launch the desktop environment?
[20:01] <curloxide> startx might do it
[20:02] <tomreyn> there is probably just none installed
[20:02] <tomreyn> oh desktop, sorry, then there is
[20:03] <tomreyn> nvidia graphics?
[20:03] <jfcaron> Thanks, I will try startx.
[20:03] <jfcaron> Currently compiling something, so I can't try it right now. ^_^
[20:03] <curloxide> :p
[20:05] <tomreyn> you can open another tty and login and type   dpkg -l xserver-xorg-core\*
[20:06] <tomreyn> at least one line of output should start with 'ii' or you'll have no X(org) server installed.
[20:06] <curloxide> ctrl+alt+f1 to f7 works
[20:08] <jfcaron> This is on a virtual machine, Ctrl+Alt+F* switches on my host machine.
[20:09] <jfcaron> I'm sure there's a way to send it the input to switch...but eh.
[20:16] <curloxide> Oh.
[20:32] <p0indexter> has anyone tried ubuntuDDE ?
[20:32] <vladabr>  Hey, I'm trying to build the uio_pci_generic module for my current ubuntu image. I've gotten the source via pat-get install linux-image-$(uname -r), when I try insmod on the .ko I get: uio_pci_generic: version magic '4.15.18 SMP mod_unload ' should be '4.15.0-99-generic SMP mod_unload '. I have also tried with the source from here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/4.15.0-99.100.
[20:33] <vladabr> The steps that I have used to build the module are these https://askubuntu.com/questions/168279/how-do-i-build-a-single-in-tree-kernel-module
[20:34] <vladabr> I'm not sure why I end up with this 4.15.18 version and not 1.15.0-99-generic
[20:35] <curloxide> Okay-
[20:35] <curloxide> I switched off auto lock on Ubuntu, but it's still blanking out.
[20:35] <diamondbond> curloxide, check power settings > blank screen
[20:36] <AlexPortable> I want an user to be able to update the system with another password than the actual sudo/root password. is this posssible?
[20:36] <curloxide> Ohhh ok
[20:36] <curloxide> Thanks diamondbond
[20:36] <curloxide> That setting's a little recursive, but whatever
[20:41] <tomreyn> AlexPortable: you could setup a separate user who can can nothing but update the system, and set a different password for this user.
[20:41] <AlexPortable> how would i set this up?
[20:41] <AlexPortable> "can do nothing but update the system"
[20:43] <Descriptioned> Hello, i've installed Popcorn time, but on dubbed languages it shows only English any suggestion ?
[20:43] <colemickens> So uh, your download page points to mirrors that are 404'ing the desktop amd64 iso.
[20:43] <colemickens> lol.
[20:43] <tomreyn> AlexPortable: well, the easiest way would be to have them run just a single command on login (could be a scripted menu you write, which just provides a few choices)
[20:44] <AlexPortable> i'd prefer to use the normal update dialog
[20:45] <tomreyn> colemickens: those mirrors are run by volunteers, so that makes it more difficult to keep track of one going down. if you can identify the mirror, you could do what's suggested on the /topic of #ubuntu-mirrors to help having it fixed.
[20:45] <colemickens> tomreyn: excellent, the best answer I could hope for :)
[20:45] <colemickens> I will do that now.
[20:49] <gimmel> Hi all, what would cause sudo apt list --upgradadble to not list anything even when there is a package ready to upgrade? -> https://pastebin.com/31UgUPsq
[20:50] <diamondbond> gimmel, no spaces after '--'
[20:51] <diamondbond> apt list --upgradable
[20:51] <gimmel> diamondbond: Yup. I... I run that every day. Why didn't I see that? Sorry :/
[20:51] <diamondbond> gimmel, its alright :) we've all been there
[20:52] <gimmel> diamondbond: Kind. Too kind.
[20:53] <Descriptioned>  Hello, i've installed Popcorn time, but on dubbed languages it shows only English any suggestion ?
[20:56] <oerheks> Descriptioned, i think you won't find support here for software that uses illegal services
[20:59] <AlexPortable> how do i make an user that only has permission for the update manager GUI?
[21:02] <diamondbond> AlexPortable, https://askubuntu.com/questions/612256/how-do-i-allow-a-user-to-only-run-the-apt-get-update-command-with-sudo
[21:02] <Bey0ndB1nary> Hi All
[21:02] <AlexPortable> well that's a command, not the GUI
[21:03] <Bey0ndB1nary> I've updated to Ubuntu 20.04 and since then having sound problems.
[21:03] <Bey0ndB1nary> Audio is not working.
[21:03] <Bey0ndB1nary> Could someone help?
[21:06] <diamondbond> AlexPortable, write a small python gui script to run /usr/local/bin/updater and attach an icon & .desktop file for it
[21:07] <diamondbond> AlexPortable, there's also this; https://askubuntu.com/questions/1089727/allow-regular-user-to-update-software-via-gui-and-update-notifier
[21:08] <AlexPortable> so i'd have to give the user permission for polkit
[21:13] <diamondbond> AlexPortable, pretty much yeah
[21:18] <AlexPortable> any tutorial on this? all I can find is examples to write into a custom program
[21:21] <oerheks> basicly you have a user already, to access updates.
[21:35] <AlexPortable> what do you mean?
[21:53] <Descriptioned> i installed an other version of popcorn time and i get an error,,  "your profile can not be used because it is from a newer version of NW.js"
[21:54] <oerheks> popcorntime is piracy
[21:54] <oerheks> !piracy
[21:55] <Descriptioned> oerheks: how i can fix "your profile can not be used because it is from a newer version of NW.js"
[21:55] <luna_> !o4o
[21:55] <oerheks> Descriptioned, no
[21:57] <kenperkins> has anyone here experienced this bug with 20.04: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-440/+bug/1874567/
[21:57] <oerheks> AlexPortable, your 1st user has root priv, to construct a user with only access to the update gui is to much trouble
[21:57] <AlexPortable> well I want an user to be able to update the system when the dialog shows that there are updates
[22:10] <Descriptioned>  how i can fix "your profile can not be used because it is from a newer version of NW.js"
[22:13] <oerheks> Descriptioned, you have been warned several times now.
[22:14] <psymin> I'm having an issue installing nginx via apt on 18.04 of 20.04 on fresly installed servers.  (also on deb 9).  Same issue on all three.
[22:14] <oerheks> popcorn time is piracy, against the philosophy of this channel
[22:15] <psymin> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/mMmGJtV7rT/
[22:16] <psymin> I'm curious if anyone is able to install nginx from the ubuntu repos with success :(
[22:17] <kel_> How do i get firefox to stolp using so much cpu? at 40% - 60% watching videos on youtube and such
[22:18] <tomreyn> psymin: what's the command you ran? is this a freshly installed system? installed how? which ubuntu release?
[22:18] <psymin> yes, fresh install.  Ubuntu 20.04.  Also Ubuntu 18.04.  Also deb 9.  sudo apt install nginx
[22:19] <psymin> installs were updated first, maybe that was my issue?
[22:19] <tomreyn> psymin: do you have 3rd party repositories enabled?
[22:19] <oerheks> did you update properly before installing 1.14.0-0ubuntu1  > 1.14.0-0ubuntu1.1 errors
[22:20] <tomreyn> neither version seems to be in any current ubuntu release
[22:20] <psymin> didn't take steps to enable 3rd party repos
[22:20] <psymin> if they're enabled by default, then yes
[22:20] <tomreyn> !info nginx-core bionic
[22:21] <psymin> method was: install, apt update, apt upgrade, apt install nginx.  Should I try installing w/o doing update?
[22:22] <tomreyn> can you provide lsb_release -ds    for the system you created the output you posted on?
[22:22] <psymin> Ubuntu 20.04 LTS
[22:22] <tomreyn> !info nginx-core focal
[22:23] <tomreyn> those versions dont match up at all
[22:23] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/nginx/+packages
[22:23] <psymin> interesting
[22:23] <oerheks> that 1.14.0-ubuntu1 was from 2018...
[22:25] <tomreyn> how did you install the system? what'S the output of    sudo /bin/true && cat &>/tmp/aptlog < <(sudo apt-get -y update 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; sudo apt-get -syV full-upgrade 2>&1;); nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/aptlog && rm /tmp/aptlog
[22:25] <psymin> via iso, qemu host
[22:25] <tomreyn> which iso?
[22:26] <psymin> https://termbin.com/6aqd8
[22:26] <psymin> ubuntu-20.04-live-server-amd64.iso
[22:26] <psymin> MD5(ubuntu-20.04-live-server-amd64.iso)= f03d31c11136e24c10c705b7b3efc39f
[22:26] <psymin> !info nginx focal
[22:27] <tomreyn> what you posted to termbin now is from a 20.04 system, and nginx-core has the proper version there
[22:27] <psymin> right, that is the currently booted machine, 20.04
[22:27] <tomreyn> what you posted previously must have been output form a different system, running a different ubuntu (?) release
[22:28] <tomreyn> what's the output of     sudo dpkg --configure -a    on the 20.04 system?
[22:30] <psymin> here is the full output of that paste, starting after logging in and with the lsb output at the bottom https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BtTzpVw23j/
[22:30] <tomreyn> always run apt update before you install packages
[22:30] <psymin> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nmGc56QsqW/
[22:31] <psymin> tomreyn, I did the apt update before rebooting
[22:31] <tomreyn> nginx: [emerg] socket() [::]:80 failed (97: Address family not supported by protocol)
[22:31] <psymin> cripes, you're right, that other output was from the other terminal with the 18.04 server.
[22:32] <psymin> ahh, that makes sense
[22:32] <psymin> thanks
[22:32] <tomreyn> you seem to have ipv6 disabled
[22:32] <psymin> Yep, step #1
[22:32] <psymin> I'll install first, then disable.
[22:33] <tomreyn> then step #.5 should probably be to disable its use in nginx.
[22:33] <psymin> install, update, install nginx, disable ipv6.  Thanks :)
[22:35] <tomreyn> or just use ipv6 because we all need to switch everything to it anyways.
[22:36] <psymin> This network is IPv4, as is upstream.  I can enable it, but it won't provide any benefit, just potential detriment.
[22:36] <tomreyn> there's no ipv6 routing available?
[22:37] <psymin> correct, not on this network.  Users would have to manually configure it.
[22:37] <tomreyn> find a better hosting location. :)
[22:38] <tomreyn> bug 1743592 is related
[22:38] <psymin> nice :)
[22:39] <psymin> for reference, it also impacts deb 9 and ubuntu 18.04 :)
[22:40] <tomreyn> see the linked debian bug report
[22:40] <tomreyn> also note how the ubuntu bug state is WONTFIX
[22:40] <psymin> Yep.
[22:48] <AlexPortable> using a command now to update the system, but how do i make the terminal stay open from a .desktop file?
[22:48] <AlexPortable> it just closes before i can fill in the password
[22:50] <rjwiii> Hello ... Just got my new Thelio from System76. It came with Ubuntu 20.04. 2 issues:
[22:50] <rjwiii> 1) Software updater is crashing
[22:51] <psymin> AlexPortable, Terminal=true ?
[22:51] <rjwiii> 2) How do  I get a wallpaper to span 3 monitors/
[22:51] <rjwiii> ?
[22:56] <AlexPortable> psymin: will execute it aand then close the terminal without allowing any input
[22:57] <psymin> AlexPortable, this .desktop file keeps a term open for me after I double click it. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qVqJrFcjNd/
[22:59] <AlexPortable> thanks. i was apparently starting the terminal first
[23:00] <psymin> np
[23:05] <psymin> rjwiii, not sure about either issue.  I'm curious if an update would fit it :)  sudo apt update
[23:12] <AlexPortable> Would you recommend 18.04.2 as an LTS, or 20.04 ?
[23:14] <tomreyn> the current 18.04 is 18.04.4, and it's your choice.
[23:17] <n-iCe> Guys is zfs good for performance?
[23:17] <n-iCe> or just for security?
[23:20] <sveinse> n-iCe: It depends on how you define performance... or security :S
[23:20] <psymin> n-iCe, that is a long answer.  Similar to btrfs
[23:24] <psymin> AlexPortable, depends on your usage case.  Check out the differences regarding hardware support and maintenance updates here: https://ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle
[23:26] <n-iCe> sveinse, psymin so for normal use, should I use it?
[23:26] <n-iCe> All I care is performance, that the system go better, smoother, etc
[23:26] <bradlee> ever since I updated discovery and rebooted...this morning my plasmashell keeps bombing especially with firefox
[23:27] <bradlee> I have to relogin...
[23:27] <bradlee> I am on another laptop now...
[23:27] <bradlee> I tried ubuntu-bug firefox...but it crashes after opening the browser
[23:29] <vladabr> Hey, I'm trying to build the uio_pci_generic module for my current ubuntu image. I've gotten the source via pat-get install linux-image-$(uname -r), when I try insmod on the .ko I get: uio_pci_generic: version magic '4.15.18 SMP mod_unload ' should be '4.15.0-99-generic SMP mod_unload '. I have also tried with the source from here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/4.15.0-99.100.  The steps that I have used to build the
[23:29] <vladabr> module are these https://askubuntu.com/questions/168279/how-do-i-build-a-single-in-tree-kernel-module. Thanks in advance!
[23:30] <psymin> n-iCe, here is an ubuntu wiki about filesystems.  It is from last year and doesn't have zfs unfortunately: https://web.archive.org/web/20191002091806/https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LinuxFilesystemsExplained
[23:31] <psymin> bradlee, KDE crashes when you use firefox?
[23:31] <bradlee> uh yea it does
[23:31] <bradlee> error 11
[23:33] <bradlee> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9Vp59NCGPF/
[23:34] <bradlee> psymin, it's not kde so much as plasmashell...
[23:46] <n-iCe> psymin: hehe
[23:46] <n-iCe> what I wonder is, should I use it or not
[23:50] <Deano59> AlexPortable, 20.04 is much better than 18.04, just saying. :)
[23:55] <AlexPortable> How do I get the humanity theme back on 20.04?
[23:55] <AlexPortable> Deano59: well, it's not 20.04.4 yet, which 18.04.4 is
[23:59] <Deano59> I never said it's 20.04.4...
[23:59] <Deano59> 18.04 is old now. old kernel etc
[23:59] <Deano59> better off using 20.04 anyday.