| Eickmeyer | OvenWerks: Since Debian is being slow, I'm sure you saw my email, but jackd2 1.9.14 is headed into backports. | 17:11 |
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| OvenWerks | Eickmeyer: just got home from grocery so not yet :) | 17:23 |
| OvenWerks | Is that the one that has "pretty names"? | 17:24 |
| Eickmeyer | OvenWerks: It's the latest, so *shrug* | 17:24 |
| OvenWerks | It should have then | 17:24 |
| Eickmeyer | Yup. | 17:24 |
| RikMills | Eickmeyer: since the Breeze GTK theme became good enough to keep by default, I have lost track of what bit of plasma sets up the config when 1st time for a user | 17:24 |
| Eickmeyer | RikMills: I got an answer from #kde-devel, and it basically use /etc/skel. :P | 17:26 |
| OvenWerks | Ewe | 17:27 |
| RikMills | ick | 17:27 |
| Eickmeyer | Very ew. | 17:27 |
| OvenWerks | nothing in /etc/xdg? | 17:27 |
| OvenWerks | ls | 17:27 |
| Eickmeyer | They basically have no way of setting the default via override. There's no config API for it for the GTK settings. | 17:27 |
| RikMills | yeah, I think plasma is hard coded to use breeze if no existing user config is there | 17:28 |
| RikMills | now I think of it | 17:28 |
| Eickmeyer | It's really non-vendor friendly. | 17:28 |
| OvenWerks | where does the user config go? | 17:29 |
| OvenWerks | (and why does my kubuntu + studio system have a /etc/xdg/xfce4/ directory?) | 17:29 |
| Eickmeyer | Something is pulling it in. | 17:30 |
| RikMills | ~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini | 17:30 |
| Eickmeyer | RikMills: Yep, that's what I'm having to put in /etc/skel. | 17:30 |
| Eickmeyer | OvenWerks: something about libexo bringing it in. | 17:31 |
| OvenWerks | ok, odd I thought that was a gnome-ish thing. | 17:31 |
| Eickmeyer | OvenWerks: Looks like libxfce4ui-common is being pulled-in by something. | 17:31 |
| OvenWerks | But yeah that makes sense. we use that fr menu-add | 17:31 |
| Eickmeyer | Probably leftovers on our end. | 17:31 |
| Eickmeyer | Ohhhhh... yeah, that would do it. | 17:32 |
| OvenWerks | I don't know if there is a qt/kde equiv | 17:33 |
| OvenWerks | On the other hand... we could roll our own. The only real thing I use it for is searching for icons. | 17:34 |
| Eickmeyer | OvenWerks: right-click on your "start" menu (kickoff or whatever) and click "Edit Applications". Using that is how I got lsp-plugins to cooperate and put that in ubuntustudio-menu. | 17:34 |
| Eickmeyer | It follows xdg standards and uses an override in the user directory. | 17:35 |
| OvenWerks | So knowing which icon theme is in use and then following down through the tree unless there is a python lib that does that already | 17:36 |
| Eickmeyer | Yeah, I don't know. All I know is it uses whichever icon theme is in use, and, actually, doesn't care. | 17:36 |
| Eickmeyer | It doesn't seem to override any icons unless you explicitly tell it to do so. | 17:37 |
| OvenWerks | Basically, I create a desktop file template using the user selected name and some boilerplate info then run it through the exo edit to get icon, and executable. Then I add the line that tells it where in the menu structure to go. The only hard part to replace in the edit function is setting the icon | 17:38 |
| OvenWerks | Of course :) | 17:38 |
| OvenWerks | if you change a system desktop file, it takes it as is, lets you edit it and then writes it to the user's ~/.local/share/applications/ dir | 17:39 |
| OvenWerks | I think it even keeps translations intact | 17:40 |
| Eickmeyer | Yep. You could, theroretically, take that anywhere then. | 17:40 |
| OvenWerks | As I say, the only real use I make of the editor that would not be (relatively) easy to do is an icon chooser. | 17:41 |
| Eickmeyer | RikMills: So, after a brief conversation in #kde-devel with the kde-gtk-config developer, it is indeed hardcoded to Breeze, and there's no way to override the default except with user configs. I told him he needs implement a way to configure the default the same way the rest of Plasma does (with $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS). | 18:17 |
| RikMills | sigh | 18:18 |
| Eickmeyer | Seems like a gigantic oversight on his part. | 18:19 |
| OvenWerks | sounds like a bug report to me. | 18:30 |
| OvenWerks | That would give reason for adding to skel | 18:30 |
| Eickmeyer | OvenWerks: Which is exactly what I had to do. | 18:31 |
| Eickmeyer | Unfortunately, that kind of bug report becomes "Feature Request, wishlist". | 18:31 |
| OvenWerks | Thats ok so long as it gives a good enough reason to add to skel | 18:34 |
| Eickmeyer | Well, they shouldn't be adding to skel. We shouldn't be adding to skel. They need a variable that sets the default, not a hardcode. | 18:35 |
| OvenWerks | So bug. | 18:36 |
| Eickmeyer | Yep. | 18:36 |
| Eickmeyer | OvenWerks: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=421240 | 18:54 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 421240 in kcm_style "Create a way to set a variable for downstreams to customize default GTK theme" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 18:54 |
| Eickmeyer | RikMills: ^ | 18:54 |
| RikMills | Eickmeyer: ack. if that gets a fix that is not in the Plasma version we end up with in 20.10, I'll try to cherry pick it from the plasma master branches | 19:10 |
| Eickmeyer | RikMills: You are a gentleman and a scholar. | 19:10 |
| RikMills | I probably score 0.5 out of 2 on that really! | 19:11 |
| Eickmeyer | Haha | 19:18 |
| cjdg | hi there | 21:04 |
| cjdg | :) | 21:04 |
| cjdg | i would like to see how i can help ubuntu studio | 21:05 |
| OvenWerks | cjdg: sounds good stay tuned ( Eickmeyer ^^^) one of us will be around in a bit | 21:17 |
| * OvenWerks has a birthday to get ready for... | 21:17 | |
| Eickmeyer | Actually... I'm not going to be around much longer today. | 21:17 |
| Eickmeyer | cjdg: Would you mind uh.... staying connected indefinitely? XD | 21:18 |
| * Eickmeyer really shouldn't be doing Dev work on the weekends. | 21:18 | |
| cjdg | will try | 21:25 |
| cjdg | i have 1 kid and a newborn | 21:25 |
| cjdg | by the way i saw the news about implementing kde into the next release | 21:27 |
| Eickmeyer | cjdg: What did you think of that? | 21:31 |
| Eickmeyer | eylul[m]: @azbulutlu: If you try the latest daily ISO, the first thing I want you to do is lock the screen and tell me what you think. | 21:35 |
| Eickmeyer | (there is no password to get back in) | 21:35 |
| cjdg | well really? | 21:38 |
| cjdg | i think is a good thing | 21:38 |
| Eickmeyer | cjdg: There have been two sides of that. One is love, the other is hate. I just wanted to see which camp you were in. :) | 21:39 |
| cjdg | im not so much into kde, but there are some things with the current desktop that are quite odd, mostly about the file manager, which lacks a lot of features, the only thing that concerns me is performance, i use a lot ubuntu studio for both devel and making art and music performances | 21:39 |
| Eickmeyer | cjdg: Well, I addressed that in the news posts, we have noticed negligible performance degredation, if any. | 21:40 |
| cjdg | great | 21:42 |
| cjdg | now the big question is | 21:42 |
| cjdg | how to make the next realease to move from old desktop | 21:43 |
| cjdg | to new kde without broke things | 21:43 |
| Eickmeyer | cjdg: We can't support it, sadly. | 21:43 |
| cjdg | so will be necessary a fresh install? | 21:44 |
| Eickmeyer | Yes. | 21:44 |
| cjdg | ok, so the new iso has kde ? | 21:46 |
| Eickmeyer | The daily, yes. | 21:46 |
| cjdg | ok then i will start to test it | 21:47 |
| cjdg | by the way | 21:47 |
| cjdg | also i had working with a lot of developres | 21:47 |
| cjdg | developers from apps like natron and praxis | 21:48 |
| cjdg | do you know those programs? | 21:48 |
| Eickmeyer | Not really. | 21:48 |
| cjdg | natron is a video composition soft like adobe | 21:48 |
| cjdg | and praxis is a creative coding lang based on java | 21:48 |
| cjdg | im promoting ubuntu studio at art festivals | 21:50 |
| cjdg | and so on | 21:50 |
| cjdg | by example piksel in norway | 21:51 |
| cjdg | transpiksel in america | 21:51 |
| cjdg | efusion in mexico | 21:52 |
| cjdg | i believe ubuntu studio is the best one! | 21:52 |
| cjdg | and about the packages | 21:53 |
| cjdg | years ago there was the idea to use snaps for mostly all the packages right? so it can be updated automatically, there is still that plan ? | 21:54 |
| cjdg | or has changed? | 21:54 |
| Eickmeyer | We haven't followed that plan for Studio. | 21:55 |
| Eickmeyer | cjdg: Nor can we really use Snaps for everything. They don't allow for plugins. | 22:07 |
| Eickmeyer | cjdg: So, to get involved, I'd encourage you to participate here when able, and follow the conversations. Finding a spot to serve works best that way. Let us get to know you, and you'll figure out where you belong pretty quick. | 22:08 |
| cjdg | thanks | 22:12 |
| Eickmeyer | cjdg: Also, we like to see people helping other people out in #ubuntustudio (the support channel). | 22:13 |
| cjdg | im there also | 22:14 |
| Eickmeyer | cjdg: Perfect. :) | 22:15 |
| cjdg | one question were can i download the daily isos? | 22:28 |
| Eickmeyer | cjdg: cdimage.ubuntu.com | 22:51 |
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