[17:11] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Since Debian is being slow, I'm sure you saw my email, but jackd2 1.9.14 is headed into backports.
[17:23] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: just got home from grocery so not yet :)
[17:24] <OvenWerks> Is that the one that has "pretty names"?
[17:24] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: It's the latest, so *shrug*
[17:24] <OvenWerks> It should have then
[17:24] <Eickmeyer> Yup.
[17:24] <RikMills> Eickmeyer: since the Breeze GTK theme became good enough to keep by default, I have lost track of what bit of plasma sets up the config when 1st time for a user
[17:26] <Eickmeyer> RikMills: I got an answer from #kde-devel, and it basically use /etc/skel. :P
[17:27] <OvenWerks> Ewe
[17:27] <RikMills> ick
[17:27] <Eickmeyer> Very ew.
[17:27] <OvenWerks> nothing in /etc/xdg?
[17:27] <OvenWerks> ls
[17:27] <Eickmeyer> They basically have no way of setting the default via override. There's no config API for it for the GTK settings.
[17:28] <RikMills> yeah, I think plasma is hard coded to use breeze if no existing user config is there
[17:28] <RikMills> now I think of it
[17:28] <Eickmeyer> It's really non-vendor friendly.
[17:29] <OvenWerks> where does the user config go?
[17:29] <OvenWerks> (and why does my kubuntu + studio system have a /etc/xdg/xfce4/ directory?)
[17:30] <Eickmeyer> Something is pulling it in.
[17:30] <RikMills> ~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini
[17:30] <Eickmeyer> RikMills: Yep, that's what I'm having to put in /etc/skel.
[17:31] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: something about libexo bringing it in.
[17:31] <OvenWerks> ok, odd I thought that was a gnome-ish thing.
[17:31] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Looks like libxfce4ui-common is being pulled-in by something.
[17:31] <OvenWerks> But yeah that makes sense. we use that fr menu-add
[17:31] <Eickmeyer> Probably leftovers on our end.
[17:32] <Eickmeyer> Ohhhhh... yeah, that would do it.
[17:33] <OvenWerks> I don't know if there is a qt/kde equiv
[17:34] <OvenWerks> On the other hand... we could roll our own. The only real thing I use it for is searching for icons.
[17:34] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: right-click on your "start" menu (kickoff or whatever) and click "Edit Applications". Using that is how I got lsp-plugins to cooperate and put that in ubuntustudio-menu.
[17:35] <Eickmeyer> It follows xdg standards and uses an override in the user directory.
[17:36] <OvenWerks> So knowing which icon theme is in use and then following down through the tree unless there is a python lib that does that already
[17:36] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, I don't know. All I know is it uses whichever icon theme is in use, and, actually, doesn't care.
[17:37] <Eickmeyer> It doesn't seem to override any icons unless you explicitly tell it to do so.
[17:38] <OvenWerks> Basically, I create a desktop file template using the user selected name and some boilerplate info then run it through the exo edit to get icon, and executable. Then I add the line that tells it where in the menu structure to go. The only hard part to replace in the edit function is setting the icon
[17:38] <OvenWerks> Of course :)
[17:39] <OvenWerks> if you change a system desktop file, it takes it as is, lets you edit it and then writes it to the user's ~/.local/share/applications/ dir
[17:40] <OvenWerks> I think it even keeps translations intact
[17:40] <Eickmeyer> Yep. You could, theroretically, take that anywhere then.
[17:41] <OvenWerks> As I say, the only real use I make of the editor that would not be (relatively) easy to do is an icon chooser.
[18:17] <Eickmeyer> RikMills: So, after a brief conversation in #kde-devel with the kde-gtk-config developer, it is indeed hardcoded to Breeze, and there's no way to override the default except with user configs. I told him he needs implement a way to configure the default the same way the rest of Plasma does (with $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS).
[18:18] <RikMills> sigh
[18:19] <Eickmeyer> Seems like a gigantic oversight on his part.
[18:30] <OvenWerks> sounds like a bug report to me.
[18:30] <OvenWerks> That would give reason for adding to skel
[18:31] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Which is exactly what I had to do.
[18:31] <Eickmeyer> Unfortunately, that kind of bug report becomes "Feature Request, wishlist".
[18:34] <OvenWerks> Thats ok so long as it gives a good enough reason to add to skel
[18:35] <Eickmeyer> Well, they shouldn't be adding to skel. We shouldn't be adding to skel. They need a variable that sets the default, not a hardcode.
[18:36] <OvenWerks> So bug.
[18:36] <Eickmeyer> Yep.
[18:54] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=421240
[18:54] <Eickmeyer> RikMills: ^
[19:10] <RikMills> Eickmeyer: ack. if that gets a fix that is not in the Plasma version we end up with in 20.10, I'll try to cherry pick it from the plasma master branches
[19:10] <Eickmeyer> RikMills: You are a gentleman and a scholar.
[19:11] <RikMills> I probably score 0.5 out of 2 on that really!
[19:18] <Eickmeyer> Haha
[21:04] <cjdg> hi there
[21:04] <cjdg> :)
[21:05] <cjdg> i would like to see how i can help ubuntu studio
[21:17] <OvenWerks> cjdg: sounds good stay tuned ( Eickmeyer ^^^) one of us will be around in a bit
[21:17]  * OvenWerks has a birthday to get ready for...
[21:17] <Eickmeyer> Actually... I'm not going to be around much longer today.
[21:18] <Eickmeyer> cjdg: Would you mind uh.... staying connected indefinitely? XD
[21:18]  * Eickmeyer really shouldn't be doing Dev work on the weekends.
[21:25] <cjdg> will try
[21:25] <cjdg> i have 1 kid and a newborn
[21:27] <cjdg> by the way i saw the news about implementing kde into the next release
[21:31] <Eickmeyer> cjdg: What did you think of that?
[21:35] <Eickmeyer> eylul[m]: @azbulutlu: If you try the latest daily ISO, the first thing I want you to do is lock the screen and tell me what you think.
[21:35] <Eickmeyer> (there is no password to get back in)
[21:38] <cjdg> well really?
[21:38] <cjdg> i think is a good thing
[21:39] <Eickmeyer> cjdg: There have been two sides of that. One is love, the other is hate. I just wanted to see which camp you were in. :)
[21:39] <cjdg> im not so much into kde, but there are some things with the current desktop that are quite odd, mostly about the file manager,  which lacks a lot of features, the only thing that concerns me is performance, i use a lot ubuntu studio for both devel and making art and music performances
[21:40] <Eickmeyer> cjdg: Well, I addressed that in the news posts, we have noticed negligible performance degredation, if any.
[21:42] <cjdg> great
[21:42] <cjdg> now the big question is 
[21:43] <cjdg> how to make the next realease to move from old desktop
[21:43] <cjdg> to new kde without broke things
[21:43] <Eickmeyer> cjdg: We can't support it, sadly.
[21:44] <cjdg> so will be necessary a fresh install?
[21:44] <Eickmeyer> Yes.
[21:46] <cjdg> ok, so the new iso has kde ?
[21:46] <Eickmeyer> The daily, yes.
[21:47] <cjdg> ok then i will start to test it
[21:47] <cjdg> by the way
[21:47] <cjdg> also i had working with a lot of developres
[21:48] <cjdg> developers from apps like natron and praxis
[21:48] <cjdg> do you know those programs?
[21:48] <Eickmeyer> Not really.
[21:48] <cjdg> natron is a video composition soft like adobe
[21:48] <cjdg> and praxis is a creative coding lang based on java
[21:50] <cjdg> im promoting ubuntu studio at art festivals
[21:50] <cjdg> and so on
[21:51] <cjdg> by example piksel in norway
[21:51] <cjdg> transpiksel in america
[21:52] <cjdg> efusion in mexico
[21:52] <cjdg> i believe ubuntu studio is the best one!
[21:53] <cjdg> and about the packages
[21:54] <cjdg> years ago there was the idea to use snaps for mostly all the packages right? so it can be updated automatically, there is still that plan ?
[21:54] <cjdg> or has changed?
[21:55] <Eickmeyer> We haven't followed that plan for Studio.
[22:07] <Eickmeyer> cjdg: Nor can we really use Snaps for everything. They don't allow for plugins.
[22:08] <Eickmeyer> cjdg: So, to get involved, I'd encourage you to participate here when able, and follow the conversations. Finding a spot to serve works best that way. Let us get to know you, and you'll figure out where you belong pretty quick.
[22:12] <cjdg> thanks
[22:13] <Eickmeyer> cjdg: Also, we like to see people helping other people out in #ubuntustudio (the support channel).
[22:14] <cjdg> im there also
[22:15] <Eickmeyer> cjdg: Perfect. :)
[22:28] <cjdg> one question were can i download the daily isos?
[22:51] <Eickmeyer> cjdg: cdimage.ubuntu.com