[01:14] <guiverc> what's an appropriate page for 18.04(lxde)->20.04 (lxqt) matching programs... anyone want to give me appropriate page url  (or can pages be renamed/moved so it doesn't matter??)
[01:15] <wxl> phab.l.m/w/bugs has one
 That would probably be the best start. ^
[01:16] <guiverc> yeah I'd forgotten apt-ghetto mentioned that, we don't need a wiki then I agree
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[05:25] <guiverc> just completed day 5 of daily install (20.10) on d755-8 box that suffers lp 1877733 | 1851188 ; 3 of 5 days were fail "failed to create a partition table"; same install each day; all 3 fails worked with `sudo -E calamares -d`
 @guiverc [<guiverc> just completed day 5 of daily install (20.10) on d755-8 box that suffe …], I just tested this again on the same machine that the original bug occurred on and the install was successful with no errors.
[07:38] <guiverc> @Leokolb, I assume without the `sudo -E cala.. -d` successful.. please note it on 1877733; it does mean our two boxes are acting differently, which fits wxl's timing belief !
 Will do.
[07:46] <guiverc> Thanks for notificiate @Leokolb, appreciated.
[07:48] <guiverc> ^ notitication... sorry
[07:52] <guiverc> Thanks @Leokolb
 @guiverc why not try the install again and when the install now button appears wait 15 seconds before selecting?
[08:05] <guiverc> hold on @Leokolb, will try & help in #lubuntu.. I can't recall the install.now  (I've never been consistent with starting my installs; timing meant system.timing, mboard/hdd/etc
[08:12] <guiverc> do you mean delay before hitting "Install Lubuntu 20.04.." on display by 15 secs... My timing of startign install would vary significantly already.. I don't think that's timing meant
[08:14] <guiverc> HOWEVER, I did delay ~15-20 secs & started it... and it's working???  same otherwise as prior install that failed... @Leokolb
[08:15] <guiverc> your prediction worked @Leokolb, I might try this a few times over tonight
 @guiverc -ok - I can agree it most likely has something to do with timing - just tried another old Dell laptop -no problem
[08:31] <guiverc> ran install again, 20-21 secs delay & it failed..
 @guiverc [<guiverc> ran install again, 20-21 secs delay & it failed..], Well it was worth a try..
[09:04] <guiverc> i suspect we're not going to be able to predict it..  (for one I doubt we can time each keystroke well enough..)  but you've blown my `sudo -E calamares -d` more successful theory out.. it's just a re-try I now think, luck or delay..
 @guiverc the irregularity makes it very difficult to find the cause..
[09:09] <guiverc> yeah... but I've not looked at source code, which is next required step I suspect...  it'd be nice if we could fix this for 20.04.1 (or 20.10), testing floppy fix first is easier so I plan on that first :)
 @tsimonq2 messaged you about polos.
 Mmmm
[18:10] <wxl> btw @Leokolb and @guiverc thanks for continuing to try to track that one down. i haven't said anything, but i really appreciate it
[18:39] <wxl> !info pcmanfm-qt
[18:39] <wxl> harumph
[18:42] <kc2bez> What is up wxl ?
[18:42] <wxl> oh just looking to see if we've got 0.15.0 yet
[18:42] <wxl> there's some big DND changes i discovered
[18:42] <kc2bez> I think it is in both of the CI branches.
[18:45] <kc2bez> Yeah, stable does https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/pcmanfm-qt/browse/ci%252Fstable/debian/changelog$1 and it has been building.
[18:49] <wxl> cool
[18:49] <kc2bez> Simon cleaned up a bunch of the CI stuff.
[19:46] <wxl> hey a thought: maybe we should drop libreoffice math
[19:47] <wxl> we don't have base
[19:51] <kc2bez> Not a terrible thought.
[19:51] <kc2bez> It is still available for install even if we drop it.
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 I am not against dropping libreoffice math just tell me when we do
[20:49] <tsimonq2> +1 on dropping Math.
[20:49] <tsimonq2> As for 0.15, I'm working on that todya.
[20:49] <tsimonq2> It was mostly done actually, I just have to do a full Lintian combthrough.
[20:50] <tsimonq2> I'm really curious why things haven't been migrating from stable-ci-proposed, hm.
[20:50] <tsimonq2> o_o
[20:51] <tsimonq2> Yeah, what?
[20:51] <tsimonq2> OH
[20:51] <tsimonq2> I disabled the nightly and forgot to put it back.
[20:51] <tsimonq2> Oooooooooooooops.
[20:51] <tsimonq2> I'll run a full nightly now.
[20:52] <tsimonq2> First I'll update Jenkins though.
[21:11] <wxl> danke tsimonq2 
[21:11] <wxl> ok dropping math, good
[21:12] <wxl> what about dropping qpdfview (last commit 2014) and replacing it with the WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more useful okular?
[21:12] <tsimonq2> What's the delta in footprint?
[21:12] <wxl> well might be irrelevant given the fact that qpdfview is dead
[21:13] <wxl> pdfs are a moving target
[21:14] <wxl> hold on maybe not dead
[21:14] <wxl> just dead on github
[21:15] <wxl> confirmed
[21:15] <wxl> ok nevermind that
[21:15] <wxl> next: what about a more user friendly image editing application? draw kind of sucks.
[21:17] <kc2bez> Did qpdfview move?
[21:17] <wxl> no launchpad was always home
[21:17] <wxl> i just made the mistake of looking on github
[21:17] <kc2bez> Oh ok.
[21:20] <tsimonq2> I'm going to be adding full Lintian checks to CI.
[21:20] <tsimonq2> When this nightly is done, of course.
[21:21] <kc2bez> sweet
[21:21] <tsimonq2> $ lintian -EvIL +pedantic *.dsc *.deb
[21:21] <tsimonq2> After getting the debs from LP of course.
[21:21] <tsimonq2> That *should* do the trick.
 @wxl [<wxl> next: what about a more user friendly image editing application? draw kind …], karita?
[21:21] <tsimonq2> Plus, if there are errors, I'm assuming Lintian will lolwat (exit 1).
[21:22] <kc2bez> It will be nice having that there.
[21:22] <wxl> @HMollerCl i like krita
[21:22] <tsimonq2> For sure.
[21:22] <wxl> maybe replace libreoffice draw with krita?
 mmm, 298Mb footprint krita
 103 for gimp
 (in my system, maybe I already have some dependencies)
[21:23] <wxl> yeesh krita is huge compared to draw
[21:23] <wxl> but draw really sucks if you just want to crop something
[21:23] <wxl> gimp's out; gtk
[21:23] <kc2bez> gimp is useful but not necessarily the most intuitive.
[21:23] <kc2bez> and gtk
[21:24] <tsimonq2> Exit code to set build unstable
[21:24] <tsimonq2> ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[21:24] <tsimonq2> So, instead of Lintian failing just being a complete job fail, we can just have it be marked as unstable.
[21:25] <kc2bez> that seems better than an outright fail.
[21:25] <tsimonq2> Indeed.
[21:26] <RikMills> fail = lintian error currently?
[21:27] <tsimonq2> Nope, we don't have Lintian built in yet.
[21:27] <tsimonq2> I'm waiting for this nightly to finish before I pick a guinea pig job to test on.
[21:27] <RikMills> ah. I see :)
[21:27] <tsimonq2> Unfortunately Riddell's guinea pigs are currently busy.
[21:27] <tsimonq2> :P
[21:28] <tsimonq2> RikMills: Since KCI is somewhat dead, even though there *are* some Lubuntuisms in the code, I'd definitely like to work with you to get this deployed for KCI.
[21:29] <tsimonq2> teward, kc2bez: Would you be able to take a look at the CI code and maybe try to correct some of my, er, lack of programming knowledge? :P
 @tsimonq2 [<tsimonq2> $ lintian -EvIL +pedantic *.dsc *.deb], I normally do: alias evil='lintian -EvIL +pedantic *changes'
[21:30] <tsimonq2> I'll be happy to clarify anything about how I've architected it.
[21:30] <teward> what'd you fubar now lol
[21:30] <teward> i require information
[21:30] <teward> information you have not provided
[21:30] <tsimonq2> @HMollerCl: That would work, except there isn't an easy way (that I can see) to grab the amd64 changes from LP.
[21:30] <tsimonq2> teward: So, YOU.
[21:30] <tsimonq2> teward: There's some Python code.
[21:30] <teward> links?
[21:31] <tsimonq2> teward: You know I'm *the* *best* at Python.
[21:31] <RikMills> tsimonq2: it's one possibility I am thinking of. I may be able to bodge current KCI for a bit, but something else is needed longer term
[21:31] <teward> or somewhere I can look
[21:31] <tsimonq2> teward: (Not really.)
[21:31] <teward> tsimonq2: questionable, Eickmeyer is superior to you in python atm :P
[21:31] <teward> where's the code sit then
[21:31] <tsimonq2> teward: Here: https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/ci-tooling/
[21:31] <tsimonq2> teward: Here: https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/ci-metadata/
[21:31] <tsimonq2> That's what currently runs the CI.
[21:31] <tsimonq2> RikMills: Agreed.
[21:32] <Eickmeyer> Fake news: I suck at Python.
[21:33] <RikMills> tsimonq2: what might be nice is to set up a test jenkins to initially just do plasma builds to a ppa. 45-47 source stack would be a good proof of concept
[21:33] <kc2bez> I don't think I necessarily qualify as a "pro" :P
[21:33] <tsimonq2> RikMills: My next task, unless teward wants to take a look, is to make it so we can do "one off" builds for specific stacks, if that makes sense.
[21:34] <tsimonq2> Right now it's only hardcoded for stable and unstable.
[21:34] <tsimonq2> So yes, once that's done I can spin up a PPA and give it a go.
[21:34] <RikMills> you mean feed it a set of release tars?
[21:34] <tsimonq2> Of course, your suggestions and patches are absolutely welcome.
[21:34] <tsimonq2> No, I mean set a specific config file for a specific PPA.
[21:35] <RikMills> right
[21:35] <tsimonq2> RikMills: This is pretty hacky if you ask me: https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/ci-metadata/
[21:35] <teward> tsimonq2: import git <-- where you getting git from?
[21:35] <teward> sh?
[21:35] <teward> because `git` isn't a module unless you're using a specific module and you specify no requirements.txt
[21:35] <tsimonq2> teward: python3-git...? no clue
[21:35] <tsimonq2> The archive package.
[21:36] <teward> it's gitpython
[21:36] <tsimonq2> Okay.
[21:36] <teward> but that's not *in* every environment nor a default install
[21:36] <tsimonq2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[21:36] <tsimonq2> True.
[21:36] <tsimonq2> This is why I have you spot check these things.
[21:36] <tsimonq2> I can get the code to work, I just lack some of this polish.
[21:37] <teward> you have a few failures here
[21:37] <teward> and cases which could explode badly for you
[21:38] <teward> vars that might not have assignments, etc.
[21:38] <tsimonq2> RikMills, Eickmeyer: The ideal scenario would likely be to re-house this under something like ci.flavors.ubuntu.com and allow it as a general use piece of tooling.
[21:38] <tsimonq2> teward: Precisely.
[21:38] <tsimonq2> I wrote that basically in one sitting.
[21:38] <teward> lp_check.py -> import launchpadlib on line 19, not used
[21:38] <tsimonq2> ?
[21:38] <teward> you have an unnecessary import
[21:38] <tsimonq2> It polls LP, how is launchpadlib not used?
[21:38] <teward> because you override that import with a later one
[21:39] <kc2bez> Line 21
[21:39] <teward> yep
[21:39] <teward> how badly do you want me to beat you over your code, basically?
[21:39] <RikMills> tsimonq2: could work. to be honest KCI running nightly builds was probably overkill
[21:39] <tsimonq2> teward: Basically, just fix it and push it.
[21:39] <tsimonq2> :P
[21:40] <kc2bez> XD
[21:40] <tsimonq2> It re-deploys itself.
[21:40] <tsimonq2> XD
[21:40]  * RikMills kicks riscv64 builders
[21:40] <RikMills> slow slow :(
[21:40] <Eickmeyer> ^
[21:44] <teward> tsimonq2: you've got some cases where you've got some major cases that could blow up in your face
[21:44] <teward> so i've added handlers/catches and runtime error raises in those positions
[21:44] <teward> or cases you run into variables that haven't been assigned or don't exist so they're init'd with None and then checked before executing things
[21:45] <teward> i haven't dug too deep but this probably will work (I'm not an expert at Jenkins API but I've got some big major errors that PyCharm would've warned you on lol)
[21:47] <teward> tsimonq2: E:NOACCESS
[21:55] <tsimonq2> teward: Working on it.
[21:55] <teward> ok
[22:00] <tsimonq2> teward: Try now.
[22:00] <teward> that worked ty
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[22:00] <tsimonq2> ofc
[22:01] <teward> hey look lugito pinged me
[22:01] <teward> *beats Lugito with a stick for reasons*
[22:01] <tsimonq2> XD
[22:01] <tsimonq2> teward: Otherwise does the code look fairly sane?
[22:01] <teward> i'm not well versed in the jenkins CI but it seems so
[22:01] <tsimonq2> Okay.
[22:03] <teward> only full test is to actually try and USE it heh
[22:04] <tsimonq2> heh
[22:04] <tsimonq2> Like I said, when this nightly is done we'll try it.
[22:30] <tsimonq2> teward: How would you like to do 20.04 upgrades?
[22:31] <tsimonq2> Will anything break if I wanted to start upgrading individual containers?
[22:31] <teward> prpbably
[22:31] <teward> phab
[22:31] <tsimonq2> How so?
[22:31] <teward> might explode
[22:31] <tsimonq2> lmao
[22:32] <tsimonq2> Well, what can we do to make sure it doesn't explode?
[22:32] <teward> do itnpiece by piece but take snapshots first fir revert points
[22:32] <tsimonq2> Can we easily "just" snapshot LXD containers?
[22:33] <teward> yeah i will start on that tomorrow
[22:33] <teward> gaming atm
[22:33] <tsimonq2> Do you want to let me take a crack at it, or can I monkey with it a bit?
[22:33] <tsimonq2> (Well, the way I worded that was off, but you get the point.)
[22:35] <teward> i mean if you want to really test clone the container and then uograde the main one
[22:35] <teward> keep the clone powered off
[22:36] <tsimonq2> Why's that?
[22:36] <teward> that way ww have a simple ready to go revert point
[22:36] <tsimonq2> Okay.
[22:36] <teward> because i dont trust snapshots alone :)
[22:36] <tsimonq2> :)
[22:36] <teward> even my VM snapshots
[22:36] <teward> i have full clones synced monthky for CI
[22:36] <tsimonq2> Cool.
[22:46] <teward> tsimonq2: to be more precise of my reasoning though, a snapshot is a zfs snapshot the way we've got it set up.  But that is more a disk delta than anything so a full clone makes sure we have a backup we can restore instantly simply by powering on than messing with deltas
[22:46] <teward> so line lxc clone phab phab-backup or something
[22:47] <tsimonq2> Sounds good.
[22:47] <teward> then do-release-upgrade in the main container
[22:47] <teward> note that I recommend we wait for .1 for upgrade bugs to get ironed out
[22:47] <teward> there's been some wonky ones - not in containers but in general
[22:47] <teward> so i'm understandably cautious RE: upgrading things
[22:47] <teward> esp. things that rely on things like certain PHP versions, etc. 
[22:48] <tsimonq2> Meh.
[22:49] <tsimonq2> teward: lxc-clone is part of LXC 1.
[22:49] <teward> i didn't say lxc-clone did i
[22:49] <teward> ***learn to read youngling***
[22:50] <teward> `lxc clone` != `lxc-clone`
[22:50] <tsimonq2> No, you said clone.
[22:50] <tsimonq2> Ugh.
[22:50]  * tsimonq2 shoots teward for reasons
[22:50] <teward> `lxc clone` is the command
[22:50] <teward> `lxc-clone` is NOT `lxc clone`
[22:50] <teward> the DASH is the difference ya ninny
[22:50] <tsimonq2> $ lxc clone
[22:50] <tsimonq2> Error: unknown command "clone" for "lxc"
[22:50] <tsimonq2> Wrong.
[22:50] <tsimonq2> Bad.
[22:50] <tsimonq2> :P
[22:50] <teward> lxc copy
[22:50] <teward> E:Tired
[22:50] <tsimonq2> mmmmmmmkay
[22:50] <teward> lxc copy phab phab-backup
[22:51] <teward> i've had a chaotic day.  *is grumpy at world*
[22:51]  * tsimonq2 throws a cat at teward for reasons
[22:52] <teward> *shotguns the cat into the wall with an air cannon*
 I was thinking copy was what you were wanting to say :P
[22:52] <teward> kc2bez: yep.
[22:52] <teward> E:TIRED
[22:52] <teward> E:CHAOSDAY
[22:52] <teward> E:StuffExplodedAtJobHadToFixFor8Hours
[22:53] <tsimonq2> teward: FIX MORE
[22:53] <tsimonq2> XD
 Sry was afk made food
[23:14] <tsimonq2> Phab is going down for now.
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