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joe__This new Ubuntu 20.04 some proper shit. As a long time dedicated Linux user it makes me proud to see how far linux has come since my days running SuSE 4 in 2001.01:50
joe__why yall just chillin in here not sayin nothin tho01:54
joe__you just be runnin this shit in the background, why?01:55
lynorianthat is how most people are on irc01:56
joe__i know i never quite got that, whats the point of bein in a chat then?01:56
guivercjoe__, this is a support (not chat) room andI haven't seen a question from you yet.. #lubuntu-offtopic may get more responses01:56
joe__i guess it could be a question of support, what is the point of IRC? and what are people doing if they dont talk?01:57
guivercpeople ask questions, they'll get a response if the OP was patient ... most of us are in many many rooms & busy with other things too01:58
joe__i see02:00
joe__good to know you guys are here i suppose, thank you all for contributing to the linux community!02:02
guiverc:)02:03
compucomo esta03:15
lleachiiHello, I have an odd issue on 81.0.4044.138 (Official Build) snap (64-bit) for Lubuntu 20.04 and running Nvidia Driver 340.108. After some time, I can only see the background of new tabs. Killing a process named 'chrome --type=gpu-process --field-trial-handle=....... --gpu-prefrences.... --shared-files` causes the content on those new tab links and page to reappear.03:21
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lubotemaskell was added by: emaskell07:58
lubot<emaskell> Hi, guys07:59
lubot<emaskell> I just had the "alongside issue" trying to install 20.0408:00
lubot<emaskell> The error comes while trying to execute sfdisk --force --append /dev/sda08:01
lubot<emaskell> Calamares is not able to create a new partition, and neither is KDE partition manager after I get this error08:02
guiverc@emaskell, yeah after you've had a calamares fail, you may need to reboot for KDE Partition Manager to work properly..08:02
guiverc(a logout & login may work too, I forget, but I do remember reboot fixes that issue for KDE Par.Mgr08:03
lubot<emaskell> @guiverc [<guiverc> @emaskell, yeah after you've had a calamares fail, you may need to reb …], I did it and kept getting the same error in KDE08:03
lubot<emaskell> I got over this issue by installing Gparted, successfully creating a new partition with it, and installing in the new partition08:04
guivercIn KDE Partition Manager, after reboot, delete the parition first (particularly if it reports as Unknown..)08:04
lubot<emaskell> @guiverc [<guiverc> In KDE Partition Manager, after reboot, delete the parition first (par …], Yeah, I didn't do that, but Gparted did the job too... Just thought you should know 😅08:06
guiverc@emaskell, had you tried to follow what's listed in https://lubuntu.me/focal-released/08:06
guiverc@emaskell, thanks for letting us know...08:07
lubot<emaskell> Thank you for the great job, I'm already using it and it seems faster than Lubuntu 19.10 … My computer is bad in pretty much everything, but the biggest problem in the older versions seemed to be the graphics, which now looks much more fluid … Anyway, I'm a medical student, English teacher and Linux enthusiast from Brazil … If you ev08:33
luboter need help with translation or anything I can do, feel free to ask... I would love to help08:33
guivercThank you @emaskell, a most kind offer08:35
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accumanhelp needed: how to make a cpufreq policy use a lower frequency step? at the moment all policies seem to not use the lowest one09:26
malinaI should ask here, who should I let know they have such a dangerous no good installer then? lubuntu? ubuntu? calamares? if latter, then why on heaven's earth would someone even use it, a company, that is.11:23
guivercmalina, if the issue was noticed with Lubuntu, I'd start by filing the bug on launchpad (Ubuntu tracker used by Lubuntu too), https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs then maybe consider filing upstream https://github.com/calamares/calamares/issues/11:26
malinadon't know if it's because theiso is booted from a disk, but as ever, the installer will hang/fail usually iff one restarts it or uses it again, lxqt hasn't really changed much since I tested it in 15.04 or so; still took only  minutes before I have screenies of the issues showing up. on the plus side, I DO like lubuntu, and 18.04 was actually the only backup install I kept on my many machines . So well done on that one . I think to be fairthough, I11:26
malinausuualyl installed it via a server viet netinstall, so I wouldn't see those issues from the horrid installer *ubuntu uses.11:26
malinaguiverc, well, I was prepared *ubuntu would mess things up with 'auto dsk stuff', I only do manual, what DID get me though was it wiped the entire vg!11:26
malinaand then i had a meeting to come back hours later, forgetting I had this issue plus the lack of metainfo since it happened in a live disk11:27
malinaanyway, I sorted it, as there had been no writes to the vg that I can think of. still, no, I am not gonna waste my time on chasing down something you guys REALLY ought to have tested.11:28
malinaI chose via the installer a 'free partition' to replace, which was a lv.11:28
malinait wiped the entire vg. tsk tsk. anyway, gl. lxqt , I don't see the point. Maybe on a native install it DOESNT have much bugs, and for some reason is better than C?11:28
malinaubuntu as a company though, should do way more testing if they decide to use something like "some random project's installer", which can wipe stuff easily. I mean, I can only imagine the 'end user level' *ubuntu tries to cater to.11:29
guivercUbuntu is not a company, it's an Operating System11:30
malinaStill, ubuntu seems to have many things, which makes me impressed overall. This was definitely a big slap to the face to see. the 18.04 lubuntu I think despite all the automagic, had perfomance numbers right up there with my normal system. That is wihtout a doubt the best I have seen of any public linux os.11:31
guivercThe company involved with Ubuntu is Canonical11:31
malinawell Canonical then11:31
malinajust "ubuntu" is kinda the mnemonic for Canonical.11:31
malinaI am sure you should be able to decipher that.11:31
malinawell, good luck either, you guys need it.11:31
kaiba:( probably installed windows :D13:13
kaibaone question. how do i know that lubuntu has recognised my amd gpu? im new to linux os btw.13:17
diogenes_kaiba, first of all because you've got a proper resolution and your desktop doesn't lag.13:18
kaibaok it doesnt lag.13:18
diogenes_kaiba, second you can check it with the following command:13:19
diogenes_inxi -G13:19
diogenes_lspci -nnk | grep VGA -A313:19
diogenes_glxinfo | grep "OpenGL renderer"13:19
diogenes_commands*13:19
kaibawhere shoudl iuse these commands?13:19
diogenes_in the terminal.13:20
kaiba????? terminal?13:20
kaibaok i searched for it13:20
diogenes_kaiba, hit ctrl+alt+t13:20
kaibathere is two terminals13:20
diogenes_and it should pop-up.13:20
kaibawhich one13:20
kaibaok it poped up13:21
kaibado i have to write those command all the same time or one by one?13:21
diogenes_kaiba, one at a time, as you wrote the first one, hit enter and you gonna get the result.13:21
kaibait says the command not found13:22
kaibais there anyway to find this out graphically?13:22
diogenes_paste the entire line.13:22
kaibai did paste the entire like13:23
diogenes_ok now run the following command: sudo apt install inxi13:24
diogenes_hit enter13:24
diogenes_type your password (it won't be displayed)13:24
diogenes_hit eneter again13:24
kaibait needs a password13:24
diogenes_<diogenes_> type your password (it won't be displayed)13:24
kaibathe password i use to log in?13:25
diogenes_yes13:25
kaibaok i did it13:26
kaibait installed13:26
diogenes_ok now proceed with the first command once again:13:26
diogenes_inxi -G13:26
kaibaok its shows my two devices13:27
kaibaone amd r3 and the other hd 8670m13:27
kaibawhich is correct13:28
diogenes_kaiba, run the following command:13:28
diogenes_inxi -Gc0 | nc termbin.com 999913:28
diogenes_you gonna get a link url, shae the link here so we can see the output too.13:28
diogenes_share*13:29
kaibahttps://termbin.com/ddmm13:29
diogenes_kaiba, it's kind of weird this line: Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.8 driver: none FAILED: ati13:31
diogenes_did you try to install any drivers yurself?13:32
kaibai dunno how to install drivers on this os. i went on hp site but they only have drivers to download on windows os13:32
kaibanot lubuntu13:32
romanobuonalaprima13:33
diogenes_kaiba, ok run the following command:13:34
diogenes_glxinfo | grep "OpenGL renderer" | nc termbin.com 999913:35
diogenes_share the link13:35
kaibahttps://termbin.com/36qp13:35
diogenes_and now run this one:13:37
diogenes_DRI_PRIME=1 glxinfo | grep "OpenGL renderer" | nc termbin.com 999913:37
diogenes_basically the same but with DRI_PRIME=113:37
kaibahttps://termbin.com/cxhf13:38
kaibaok now what13:41
diogenes_kaiba, ok so here is the thing, your system runs fine but, you've got 2 graphic cards 1 is your integrated AMD card and 2 is your dedicated AMD card. By default your PC uses the integrated one which is power efficient one but less powerful one, whenever you want to play a game (or other graphics intensive application), you should start the game with the 2nd dedicated AMD card which is powerful. The command to start a game or any application with the13:42
diogenes_2nd dedicated AMD card is: DRI_PRIME=1 gamename13:42
kaibaoh! cant steam recognise this? or do i have to run steam on the dedicated one so the game also run on the dedicated one?13:43
diogenes_kaiba, yes you have to run steam also with the dedicated.13:46
kaibaok thanks13:49
kaibaok i just tried to run steam on that command but its says DRI command not found13:51
diogenes_kaiba, what is the exact command that you ran?13:56
kaibaDRI PRIME=1 Steam13:58
kaibathen said DRI command not found13:58
diogenes_kaiba, be very attentive at the command syntax every line, dash, underscore counts, the command is: DRI_PRIME=114:01
diogenes_not DRI PRIME=114:01
kaibawhat xD they are the same14:02
kaibaI mean i see them with same letter whats the difference14:02
kaibaoh or it small L14:02
kaibal14:02
diogenes_no not the same, one has "_" and another one only has a space between DRI and PRIME.14:02
kaibai only gave one space14:03
kaibaok im gonan copy this you just wrote14:03
diogenes_and there MUST not be any space.14:03
diogenes_there must be underscore.14:03
kaibaoh ok14:04
kaibaalright it worked thanks14:05
diogenes_you're welcome.14:05
kaibabut what is this14:06
kaibaFatal : VkResult is "ERROR_INITIALIZATION_FAILED" in /home/pgriffais/src/Vulkan/base/vulkanexamplebase.cpp at line 82314:06
kaibathe gpu is old why does it want vulkan14:06
diogenes_kaiba, that's what you should ask in the channel #steam.14:07
MunskoHow secure is use IRC?14:10
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wxlMunsko: not really18:10
wxlMunsko: you should make sure to use ssl, don't use dcc, be careful with scripts, use a vpn and/or get a host mask18:16
wxlMunsko: for freenode, you'll want to register a nick, get a cloak (host mask), identify to services with sasl and if you're super paranoid, consider an irc bouncer, vpn, or using tor18:19
Munskowxl thanks for answer, how i can get the host mask?18:32
wxlMunsko: register your nick https://freenode.net/kb/answer/registration then get a cloak AND LOOK OUT FOR THE WARNINGS https://freenode.net/kb/answer/cloaks18:33
MunskoWell, i have done it18:49
MunskoThanks for the advice, the onyl thing that i dont understand is about cloaks18:49
MunskoIt says there that some clients will replace your cloak18:49
MunskoHostmask*18:49
MunskoSo i dont know how do it18:50
wxlwell, web based ones18:50
Deano59I moved a crap load from an auto-install script and now my backup size with CZ is 2.4GB :D happy days. <3 you Lubuntu.18:51
wxlthe solution two that comes in two forms: (A) use a real irc client or (B) become a member of some project. the latter will be a lot harder, but you could contribute to the general ubuntu project (of which lubuntu is a part of) and become an ubuntu member18:51
MunskoI see, im thinking get an unnafiliated cloak18:53
MunskoI will try get it, thanks again :)18:54
wxlsince you are using quassel and not a web client, it should work fine18:54
MunskoYes, i found that i will not have that problem after reading it again, tought it was with all clients18:55
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MunskoSomebody knows why Lubuntu changed from LXde to LXQt?(apart from the esthethical part)19:16
wxlLXDE is virtually dead19:17
kc2bezlxde development has pretty much dried up19:17
wxlthey have suggested otherwise, but the commits tell the story quite well19:18
kc2bezold bugs aren't even being worked on19:18
wxlalso LXDE runs off of GTK2 which is old and stale and full of problems. they've been working for YEARS to port to GTK3 but that process actually created LXQt because Qt was lighter than GTK319:18
kc2bezAlso, lxde is based on GTK2 which is pretty much dead too19:19
wxllong story short, a hypothetical (and unlikely) future GTK3 LXDE would be heavier than LXQt19:19
kc2bezoh jeez wxl said that19:19
Munskolol19:19
wxlwell i didn't exactly say that19:19
MunskoAwesome explanation19:19
MunskoGot it perfectly19:20
Munskothanks both19:20
wxlbut GTK2 is "stable" which is to say they allow it to exist to download but they're not doing anything with it19:20
wxlas one of the LXQt devs likes to say, in the world of biology, stable is synonymous with dead XD19:20
MunskoLXQt is under development right now, dont?19:20
wxlheavy development19:20
wxlconstantly19:20
wxlsometimes i wish i didn't subscribe to all their repos because there's a LOT of activity19:21
MunskoI have some problems with their apps, but looks pretty good(i get used to lxde apps)19:21
MunskoBut think that they will "evolve" and get fix those bugs19:21
wxlwell make sure you file bugs as you find them. even the best developers can miss things19:22
MunskoThey will "port" the apps to new lxqt versions?19:22
Munskoi mean, sometimes u need to take some apps from GTK for example19:22
MunskoThey will make their own versions of apps?19:23
Munskoor just fix bugs?19:23
kc2bezThere has been some additions or ports if you will.19:23
kc2bezHonestly in a short amount of time it has come a long way.19:24
wxlmostly LXQt should be considered a totally separate thing19:24
MunskoIt looks almost independent19:26
MunskoBut i think i use common things, nothing strange19:26
MunskoAnd installed tons of libraries to get those functions19:27
MunskoBecause cant find "native" alternatives19:27
kc2bezWhat do you find you miss from lxde that doesn't have an alternative?19:28
MunskoWell, i used evince in 18.0419:29
MunskoBut looks like the native dont have the same functions19:29
wxlokular19:29
MunskoI mean19:29
MunskoOf course they read pdf19:29
wxli like okular a LOT better than evince19:30
kc2bezokular is qt based too.19:30
MunskoNow i used qpdf but its just annoying to copy something from there19:30
MunskoANother example is the lximage19:30
MunskoYesterday i spent like 2 hours to cut a part of a image19:31
MunskoAnd i done it with online paint19:31
Munsko-.-19:31
MunskoTried lots of programs of edition19:31
Munskoliek gimp, pinta19:31
Munskolike*19:31
MunskoBut they not are for just cut smth from an image19:32
MunskoThey have a ton of options, and i never found what i needed19:32
MunskoI dont know how call this "problem"19:33
wxllximage doesn't do that19:33
wxllibreoffice draw could19:33
wxlor install krita (also qt)19:33
MunskoDindt found there the option either19:33
Munskoon draw*19:34
MunskoBut the "problem" is the same, you have a ton of options there to19:34
Munskotoo*19:34
MunskoIts like use a axe to cut a leaf19:35
wxluse krita19:36
MunskoApart from that i would like to thank too for the big develop that the ppl are doing in this distribution19:37
MunskoMaybe someone involved are reading this and getting mad, so i want to thank too19:37
kc2bezEveryone uses their computer differently so the feedback is good. It is one of the ways  to make an improvement.19:37
wxlthe two of us are both heavily involved and not mad, so you're good :)19:37
Munskolol19:38
MunskoI only send it in a way to help to show the problems19:38
kc2bezThanks for that.19:38
MunskoIm a common user, so i can matter19:38
Munskoso it can matter*19:38
wxlyeah i guess the only problem we face is making the decisions as to which apps to use19:38
wxllximage and qpdfview are both lxqt products and that has a lot of value in having everything in one place19:39
wxlalso they're light and simple, and that's really good, too19:39
wxlokular and krita come from elsewhere (kde, actually) and they are heavier19:39
MunskoYes, i found that krita is from KDE(in the dependencied i installed)19:40
MunskoBut it actually works well, thanks19:40
MunskoI found that "way" of do program extremelly well19:40
wxlso do we try to offer more functionality at the expense of making a bigger footprint (as well as using applications outside of lxqt?)19:40
MunskoI only think that sometimes some functions are missing19:41
wxlusually people want lubuntu because it's light. the only exceptions we have made to that, really, are firefox and libreoffice19:41
MunskoI use it for that idea19:41
wxlfirefox i would like to replace with falkon (also kde) but it needs some time19:41
wxllibreoffice is really the only usable solution19:41
MunskoI consider that low consimung is a good thing19:41
Munskoconsuming*19:42
MunskoIs libreoffice very consuming?19:42
wxlabiword and that stupid spreadsheet thing we were using in lxde-era lubuntu were *GARBAGE*19:42
MunskoThat was a really good step, install the libreoffice in the base19:42
MunskoI formated like 5 times and the 1st thing was install it19:42
wxllibreoffice is kind of big and kind of resource intensive, but really all word processing/spreadsheet tools are19:42
wxls/and/are/19:42
MunskoI didnt found big consume in RAM consume for libreoffice19:43
wxli have installed libreoffice on every operating system i've ever been on. i mean even back in the days years ago when we were using windows at work, we were using libreoffice19:43
* Deano59 thinks of how awesome Lubuntu is19:44
wxlit's not terrible, but i guess it depends on your perspective, you know? some people are trying to run on *really* old software19:44
wxlDeano59: and it thinks the same of you XD19:44
MunskoI used openoffice until some months, when i came to linux19:44
wxland i used openoffice before libreoffice :)19:44
MunskoBut in that moment looks the same for me19:44
MunskoNow i see they have different "background"19:45
wxlLO grew out of OO really19:45
wxland OO itself came from StarOffice19:45
MunskoIn the begining they start from the same thing19:45
Munskoa copy from office19:46
Munskothat was paid19:46
Munskoi think19:46
Munskoand then comes openoffice19:46
MunskoIs some site or section where i can "suggest" this type of comments? i just found that could be useful for you19:47
wxlprobably best would be our discourse19:47
wxlhttps://discourse.lubuntu.me19:47
MunskoComing back to my "problem" i think that the solution could be "add" that function in the actual program19:48
wxlyeah19:49
MunskoMaybe not in my case, because not always is necessary to cut something from an image19:49
wxli doubt it will get added to qpdfview19:49
wxlremember it's called qpdfVIEW19:49
Munskoyes19:49
wxlbut we could swap it out for okular as i said19:49
MunskoBut wait19:49
Munskoit have the option19:49
Munskobut is very messy19:49
Munskoyou can copy from the text19:49
wxland libreoffice draw can crop but you have to figure it out XD https://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/119/how-to-crop-an-image-in-libreoffice-draw/19:50
MunskoI dont know how explain it19:50
wxloh all you wanted to do was copy text? hm maybe19:50
MunskoWith Ctrl+C you can actually copy19:50
MunskoYes19:50
MunskoBut like evince19:50
Munskoselecting the text19:50
Munskoand not the area19:50
Munskothat gives me problems sometimes19:50
MunskoLike when im trying to copy some tables values19:50
MunskoAnd try to paste in calc19:51
wxlwaaaaaaait a minute qpdfview isn't an lxqt product hmmmm19:51
Munskolol19:51
MunskoAbout lximage i found 2 ways19:51
wxlyikes it hasn't been updated in a while19:51
wxlmaybe we should switch to okular19:51
Munsko1st one is using kirita(heavy)19:51
Munsko2nd one is what i found19:51
Deano59is there any plans to update LXQt on Lubuntu? or is that for a new release?19:52
wxlnext release Deano5919:52
wxlfancy 0.15.019:52
Deano59cheers. :)19:52
Munsko"https://github.com/1j01/jspaint"19:52
MunskoThat thing is paint on js19:52
Munskojust open it with firefox19:52
Munskoand got what i neede19:52
Munskoneeded19:52
Munsko4mb of space19:52
Munsko:D19:53
wxlmaybe. i don't love javascript and ms paint omg19:53
MunskoI think that you cant just paste it on an app for lubuntu19:53
wxlso A E S T H E T I C19:53
MunskoYes, but at same time very "powerful"19:54
MunskoMaybe exists, but one app that "launchs" that type of programs packed on js could be efficent19:54
wxlanyways good talk. thanks for the feedback. i'll discuss this with the team19:54
wxli got to go19:54
MunskoSo the avg user can get it from internet(forma  secure place) and just run it19:54
wxlhave a great day19:54
MunskoExcellent, thanks a lot19:55
Munskogood day for u too19:55
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kaibaHello again23:19
kaibaThis linux os deosnt recognise my headphone bluetooth device23:19
kaibaits still searching but doesnt find any how do i fox it?23:20

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